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KingCold:
Again... wordy response, again nothing said really, just a response for response sakes

My responses do not require a response from you to be deemed valid.

They are there to be out there for intelligent minds to discern.

Your job is to state your points and let them be.

I am not competing here my dear boy.

KingCold:
lol, You're still crying that South Africa sits at the top of leisure travelling.. lol.. facts don't care about your feelings

Read my brother. Read.

https://www.statssa.gov.za/publications/P0350/P0350November2024.pdf

KingCold:
Everything that you don't want to agree with, its either "contradiction" or "propaganda" or whatever reason you want to convince yourself of..

Don't mind me then.

Here's more propaganda from your own people. It definitely contradicts you.

https://www.statssa.gov.za/publications/P0350/P0350November2024.pdf

KingCold:
No amount of yapping about " bantu education " will change the fact, you cant argue the facts presented.. just resorting to a slew if incoherent words and sentences with have nothing do with the topic discussed..

Facts are one thing. Context is another.

Argue with that.

KingCold:
Apartheid and colonization, had parallels which other this is fact!, Apartheid wouldnt exist without colonization.. both had racial hierarchy, institutional and legalized descrimination, both had labour exploited, land was controlled and both were violent.. so what exactly is the back and forth for? Tha i cant name a central figure like Rhodes?

The purpose of comparison between West and South is to highlight the following;

1. The difference in scale of atrocities committed.

2. The governing systems employed in each region which contributed to the differences in scale of atrocities committed i.e. colonial/Settler

3. The difference in the psychological effects on the indigenous populations.

4. The difference in the impact and legacy to the indigenous population .

Pick any one and we can expanciate.

KingCold:
You said our mothers worked for the white man blah blah.. im saying thats what Nigerians do today by selling their belongings to work for the same white man in the west.. lets not drag what we all know

Most Africans work for the same global capitalist system my dear boy whether we japa overseas or stay behind in South Africa.

Don't get emotional about the comment about your mama's cleaning toilets at home. We are all in it together.

KingCold:
You initially claimed "HIV was spread by promiscuity" now you're backtracking..

No No no my friend, no back tracking here with the key word being "spread" not caused?

KingCold:
HIV can be caused and spread by a variety of factors including mother to child. just reducing HIV infection to just a promiscuity disease, is not only careless, it is also ignorant and its reveals why HIV in Nigeria remains a stigmatized illness..

HIV is "caused" by a virus.

HIV is spread by contact with infected bodily fluids via sexual promiscuity, blood transfusions, mother to child, sharing contaminated needles.

My claim was never that HIV is spread through "one" source.

Try again please.

KingCold:
I don't care where you schooled homie, im telling you, that going around the world and calling your hosts all sort of names is causing you enemies than friends.. Black Americans complain daily of being disrespected by African immigrants.. and you calling them "jealous" or "lazy " is one of those reasons..

Take it from one who has a lived experiences with Americans. You are wrong.

The so-called raging diasporan war going on online is a combination of several factors which include propaganda floating around about replacement theories, A stronger affinity and awareness of African culture by children of immigrant children born in the US, economic and Immigration issues.

Does any of this sound familiar to you my SA brather?

KingCold:
I also dont care how Malaria thrives in Nigeria.. it remains a problem in your country along with your malnutrition.. you can stop trying to sound smart.

That you don't care doesn't negate anything that I have said.

KingCold:
Im not trying to do anything, im supporting my argument with facts
That's not an article, its data drawn from different sources.

KingCold:
The stereotype says "South Africans dont travel" yet reserch says otherwise.

1. Well those surveys definitely contradict this source right here which shows the total number of outbound residents/South Africans year on year and also demonstrates that they are primarily domestic travelers (inclusive of countries adjacent to them- Mozambic, Namibia, Botswana)

KingCold:
leisure traveling, the actual traveling, not the fleeing, overstaying of visas or migration for greener pastures..

Here's clue. Your Stats SA keeps good numbers.

KingCold:
leisure traveling, the actual traveling, not the fleeing, overstaying of visas or migration for greener pastures..

Clever boy. Trying to use an article to fit your narrative.

1. I asked you for the Stats not an article with "no numbers" to back up.

2. Mozambic, Mauritius, Namibia, Botswana- Don't make me fall off my seat Mfethu.

3. Please give me the "percentages" of outbound traveller's from your country and let us compare. I want to see something.

KingCold:
1. Are we now trying to play down the brutality of colonization? There's no element present in Apartheid that wasnt present in colonialism.. Apartheid is the offshoot of colonialism..both were brutal

Not play down, run a comparison. What atrocities can you identify during the British administration that you feel was equivalent to that of South Africa.

Let's discuss one specific event shall, we?

KingCold:
2. There's no contradiction here, Nigerians regulary sell their belongings to finance moving to the west for greener pastures, they do that so they can get menial jobs in the west, what are you disputing here?

How can we therefore be trapped in an environment in which we have the means to "escape"?

KingCold:
3. You said HIV is caused by "promiscuity", you are failing to substantiate your argument, you clearly know nothing about the disease, I now understand why HIV is so stigmatized over there..

HIV is not "caused" by promiscuity. The disease is definitely spread by it and in South Africa that is a given.

KingCold:
4. Black Americans definitely push back against you calling them "lazy" and "jealous" , I see this all the time on social media.. you go there , get a few degrees, then start running your moutths.. this is what you mistake for being "bold".

I schooled in the US and have intermingled severally with African Americans from the days of the Nation of Islam folk to the Black moors down to the Hebrew Israelite folk.

This internet War and name calling is strictly an internet Phenomena peddled by this new age FBA cult who are pushing against the growing trend of the new "African" identity taking a strong hold in America culture.

African migrants starting from the 80's down to the 2010 were the original victims of insults and the likes.

If you want to go deeper into this discussion, please let me know.

KingCold:
5. Nigeria has the second highest burden of chronically malnourished children in the world, why on earth are you playing this down?

This has nothing to do with my initial claim. Irrelevant.

KingCold:
Not only this, Nigeria also has the highest prevalence of babies born with HIV in the world,

You like to lie no?

https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/number-of-children-newly-infected-with-hiv

KingCold:
As for malaria, your country accounts roughly for 30% of global malaria deaths.. but the obsession with you and your people is the HIV of fat flung South Africa

That's because there are only specific regions in the world where Malaria- Plasmodium falciparum actually exists and with the country's high population compared to other "Malaria infected areas," will carry a substantial proportion of any fatalities.

Context is everything my friend. Bantu education really did a number on your people?

KingCold:
Lol, yet South Africa is rated as the number ranked leisure traveling country in Africa.. the jokes write themselves.. South Africans travel, we're just no loud about it like you are..

Would you like to give us the stats on that to back up your story and make sure you account for absolute numbers in international travel and income levels if possible.

i want to see something

KingCold:
Im comparing colonization with colonization.. unless you're Ethiopian.. your people suffered the brutality of colonization..this is a documented fact.

What brutality as compared to your colonial administration or apartheid rule?

Expanciate?

KingCold:
Your people regularly accuse everyone of being "jealous" of them, Ghanians, Kenyans, South Africans, Black Americans, etc. So im not misqouting you, I'm highlighting an age old pattern, it's either you're "jealous" of a Nigerian, or you're "lazy".. "jealous" of boldness and swag? Imagine, LOL

Its only South Africans my dear brother. The rest of those people you mentioned pretty much ignore our noise making.

KingCold:
If I as a South African am "poor" I shudder to think what you a Nigerian are.. you're on average, poorer, with worse living standards, lower literacy levels, trapped in slums, than South Africans ever will

How can we be trapped and at the same time are able to jappa by selling land and properties to countries like yours. You are contradicting yourself

KingCold:
Its 2026.. and you still think HIV is spread by being promiscuous? You Nigerians really have a lot to learn about HIV, you blab about it but know very little about it.. ,No wonder the disease is still clouded by stigma over there

Oh its still spreading my dear boy because a larger number are unaware of their status compared to those living with the disease.

KingCold:
How does it change anything that malaria or malnutrition affects your kids? Arent your kids part of the Nigerian population?

It doesn't, it simply demonstrates that the two diseases should not be compared in terms of incidence of death or availability to treatment because the group most vulnerable rate of mortality is much lower due to an already inherent underdeveloped immune system.

KingCold:
You travel or flee to other countries to escape the harsh realities of Nigeria.. we all know you've failed as a Nigerian if you've never left the shores of Nigeria

No, we have been travelling and have had world exposure since the 1940's. It's part of the culture now but its the opposite for you. When we visit your airports its only 95% of the onyinbo we see jetting out of the country.

KingCold:
I dont think I need to find you characters like Rohodes to prove you also suffered the ignominy of colonization. Pointless exercise

Bantu education on display. Please never you compare the European settlements and administrations in South Africa to that of West Africa. You must never!!!

KingCold:
Nigerians sell everything they have to finance moving to Dubai to be au pairs or clean toilets, you're accusing South Africans of things your people are doing TODAY!!

Its because your poor have no lands to sell because they were displaced from their homelands is why they can't think of raising capital to chase global capital. Don't compare!

KingCold:
Bruv, nobody cares about your projects, nobody goes around thinking "oh Nigeria is building an airport, oh im so heartbroken".. lol... you simply can't go accusing everyone of being "jealous" of you.. Ghanians, South Africans, Black Americans, etc.. its not realistic

I didn't say you were jealous of our "projects", you brought that up.

Please don't misquote me.I don't believe Ghanaian's or Black Americans are jealous of Nigerians. I do however believe this is the case for South Africa and I have stated why.

KingCold:
Whether its an epidemic or not, it doesnt change the fact that your people are still grappling with Malaria deaths and Malnutrition.. the HIV of South Africa should be the least of your worries

Which is why I stated we can't be jealous of such an epidemic.

FYI The vast majority of Malaria deaths are very young children with uunderdeveloped immune systems of this toddlers. This is not the same as over promiscuity by irresponsible adult populations engaging in unprotected sex and spreading a virus.

KingCold:
Theres no beef betwen Tsonga and zulu people.. you're reaching

You like to lie eh!


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qBLzo_IRs3Q


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b3s4-hlLwtY



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OQDOyTxpctM


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9uoptPBHnqo

You must have said something nasty eh!

Waiting for Kingcold to finish your thoughts.

IronGalaxy:
1. South Africa is a better country than Nigeria in almost all relevant ramifications.. you stand to envy us than the other way around.. your people are in SA for reason, nobody gives a f.. about your swag, its cringe even.

We cannot envy you based on the fact that we travel to many countries to take advantage of globalization and global capital. This is a nonsensical statement.

if this were true it would apply in every instance of places Nigerians reside.

IronGalaxy:
2. You were colonized.. thats a historical fact, you were a subordinate once upon a time.. pointing fingers at South Africa is ridiculous

I refer you back to my earlier answer on colonial administration. Find me characters similar to a Cecil John Rhodes, Paulus Kruger or a PW Botha in Nigeria and then we can talk.

IronGalaxy:
3. I was never subjected to bantu education, so it has nothing to do with me.. and a system ive been subjected to has no residual effects.. stop trying to sound smart

Most of your mothers and gugu's who didn't go to school and spent most their time cleaning homes while most of your grandads travelling distances to far off mining towns surely had an effect on your ability to perceive the world, you don't think?

IronGalaxy:
4. I don't care about your projects, Nigeria remains a proper hshthole.. West African countries like Senegal and the Ivory Coast, mog your infrastructure... even Porto Novo of Benin is a much, cleaner, structured city than any of your cities

But you said we don't build anything, now its you don't care if we building any at all or the size and magnitude of the projects.

Shame. You are a very envious human being.

IronGalaxy:
5. Its an epidemic, yet the affected are healthier than many Nigerians, live longer lives on average.. you should be getting your peope used to testing so your real numbers emerge..

It is an epidemic non the less. Dance around it all you want.

IronGalaxy:
6. In as much you wouldnt envy the racism in South Africa, we dont envy the tribalism that exist over there.. among black people even

False equivocation.

Racism and tribalism are very much expressed differently. And therefore you not envying tribalism in Nigeria is equivalent to not envying the beef between a Zulu man and ama Shangaan.

IronGalaxy:
what do you envy about you as a people? I could the same question
Criminal inclination?
Big mouths?
Backwardness?
Negative reputation worldwide?
Your failed state where absolutely nothing works?
Born refugee nature?

You envy based on what I enumerated.

IronGalaxy:
You were also colonized wrent you? Wasn't that humiliating as well.?

Read my dear boy, read. The colonial/Apartheid administration by the British in Nigeria was very very far from that of South Africa.

IronGalaxy:
You keep going on and on about Bantu education, ..what does have to do with me? Focus on your lowly 65% literacy rate

I have told you before how it affects your generation. 3 out of 5 of you are suffering from the residual effects.

IronGalaxy:
At least our government thinks of building something for us, what does yours do for you? Absolutely nothing

have you seen the new airport and road projects popping up in Nigeria. Do your research. They are building albeit not fast enough for a population of 200 million very diverse people.

IronGalaxy:
You mean the HIV epidemic where the affected live longer than Nigerians on average? Get free medication? You cant be serious.. focus on mother to child prevention so your babies are spared.. Oops I forgot, you lack the capability

It's an epidemic non the less.

IronGalaxy:
Lol, south african women prefer SA men,its reflected on stats, sentiment, eye test, and any way you wanna direct it

You would say that wouldn't you but a simple search on youtube would prove otherwise.

IronGalaxy:
Over racism? When there's Over tribalism in your country?

The question was why would we be envious of the overt racism that you receive and not if tribalism exists in Nigeria.

IronGalaxy:
Here's why? South Africa is miles a better country that Nigeria ever will.. this is a crux of your jealousy towards us..

My brather, we cannot be jealous of what already exists in most parts of the world which we have access to and have tasted.

You really must get a passport and travel. You have a very myopic view of the world.

IronGalaxy:
Hahaha..

You wouldnt be Nigerian without being delusional..

The only envy im seeing is from yall towards us.

What do we envy about you as a people?

Your apartheid history where you were humiliated?

Your bantu education that informs your myopic view of the world?

Your government built 2 room RDP houses?

Your HIV epidemic?

Your GBV?

Your women who desire foreigners?

The overt racism practiced in your country?

Please!

IronGalaxy:
what exactly are you disputing here? That you are reviled in South Africa? My guy, South Africans detest Nigerians and it had nothing to do with "envy"..there's nothing worth envying

You envy Nigerians my dear boy.

You envy their unwavering ability to succeed.

You envy their boldness.

You envy their Swag.

You envy their desirability.

Stop lying to yourself. Everyone knows this.

IronGalaxy:
Except that's not how the real world works.. Our government is offering yall asylum, the South African masses are against that, so our government taking your visas has nothing to do with the sentiment on the streets,.Nigerians remain reviled by ordinary South Africans, this is a fact you and I know

But you are a functioning representative democracy are you not? The best in Africa, government for the people by the people.

Your masses are marching and marching but the asylum offices are still open dishing out asylum approvals and arresting your "leaders", are they not?

What are you going to do now, stay in your state of revilement?

You people are a joke looking for scapegoats to blame and that is the real fact.

IronGalaxy:
You are not "envied" in South Africa, you're reviled. Two different things, don't mislead others with lies

You should have left the previous write up you posted. It was closer to the truth that this obvious propaganda push.

If we were so reviled you would have stopped taking our visa and flight ticket money, closed your embassy and cut of all diplomatic relations.

Murketeer:
What did somebody like Chidinma who was born in SA and grew up there with SA friends , relatives etc do to warrant such disgusting hatred from you guys

She didn't do anything and is a victim is as much as is the "alleged" girl who's identity was stolen and who has been reported to have received a new one.

The South Africans transferred their anger, hate and envy for Nigerians unto the poor girl and are demonizing her to continue their narrative of being victims to these hordes of immigrants entering their Kontry.

Murketeer:
Maybe it's just dislike or hatred ...you guys are not supposed to be hating on Nigerians ... Deep down..most Nigerians have a soft spot for south Africans

Eh My brother speak for yourself o, me I don't have any soft spot for those people. They are suffering from PATSD- Post Apartheid stress disorder and are taking it out on migrants.

The problem with them is that they are essentially a third world country running around pretending to be a first world country and it is coming back to bite them in the azz. They cannot deal with the western styled laws and constitution on and are reverting back to their "essential" African state of mind which is tribalism, xenophobia and lawlessness.

IronGalaxy:
Lol, trying to sound deep again

Look, your "self hatred" argument would have flew if I saw noting when Chinese ate dogs but criticized Nigerians only..

As things stand, dog-eating is nasty regardless of who's doing it, whether Chinese, Koreans or Nigerians , same with open-defecation , whether its Indians or Nigerians its still nasty.

Good. Tell your people ( advocate Ike Khumalo) to criticize it as loud as we see them they criticize that of Nigerians so we know you are fair and just in your complaints.

IronGalaxy:
You're showing me weddings my guy.. am I supposed to be impressed by this, or? Lol.. what does this even prove?

It buttresses the desirability argument.

IronGalaxy:
I literally said nothing about Chinese people, you did.. I didn't even compare the two..you did.. how you reach the conclusion of "self -hatred" that's your usual delulu..

I pointed out your dog eating as vile and nasty of which it is.. whether Chinese do the same, its irrevant to my point..

Drawing parallels exposes the conclusion of self-hatred.

IronGalaxy:
Source for common logic? Hahaha

As I said you have nothing to back up your "availability" claim.

We all know you don't like the fact that these ladies desire Nigerian men as husbands.

Please stick to your own ladies and stop hating on these very desirable Nigerian men.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nM914Q1xSsg


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=po52qDymg2M


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4KHMr7nVCtQ


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YJenW8w9hso

RandDigital:
You were calling Ghana great when it was going up and down making noise about SA.

We defeated them at AU. There'll be no discussing SA at AU summits or Isra-hell observer status.

Isra-hell ran to Trump for protection against SA 🇿🇦🏆🏆🏆🏆

Ghana was very correct in scaring your government into making sure Foreign nationals were not humiliated by your people.

The decision by the AU was not a win for you but only in accordance with the concept of not exacerbating or interfering in on going internal issues within African states and not because they did not believe you guys were not wrong.

You brought about the problems with Israel when you interfered in their internal matters in the so called name of "justice" while in your own backyard calling for the end to the upholding human rights.

Your country is a walking contradiction.

RandDigital:
We need strong independent countries there. Not puppets.

You are accusing Ghana of not being independent when you are a compromised country via China.

They are doing all kinds of illicit things in your country and you don't have the guts to say anthing about it.

Meanwhile you are bothered at a small African country trying to make moves.

Self hatred.

RandDigital:
South Africa called for expanded BRICS and AU inclusion in G20. For decades it was the only African country there.

So why are you mad at Ghana.

Obilikom:
The problem of most of you is that you don't like traveling

The Algeria you are romancing right now , if I take you there ..I swear you will run in the next 5 hours

But what do you know 🤣🤣🤣🤣

You dey mind person wey never even visit him neighbor Botswana that is 4 hours away from Joburg by road.

RandDigital:
SA should block this Israeli puppet from gaining membership, not even partner status.

You thought BRICS was only going to do business with you in Africa.

Shame.

IronGalaxy:
Still crying over the obvious I see.. classic Seppuku.

My "availability argument" is common sense..
Don't hide behind "being disliked" because I didnt stroke your humongous ego

Kindly post the source for that write up. I want to see something.

IronGalaxy:
You are literally a narrative that doesn't exist to sound deep.

Misdirection.

Defend the below:

Nigerians are not like us because they eat dogs. Inference, we are better than Nigerians.

We are not bothered by Chinese people despite the fact that they eat dogs too. Inference we are less that Chinese.

Conclusion- Self-hatred.

You cannot defend the indefensible. Concede.

IronGalaxy:
Yes, numbers of documented people.. your beloved StatsSA can't quantify numbers of illegals.. we've been through this like, a thousand times

The numbers in StatsSA makes room for undocumented people. Your government agencies keep numbers so much so that we can tell how many visitors exit and enter South AFrica but in the same breadth they are way off on illegal migrants.

PROPAGANDA!!!

https://southafricafacts.co.za/illegal-immigration-in-south-africa-where-things-stand-in-2026/

How many undocumented people are actually here
Estimates of South Africa's undocumented population have long been a political football, and the gap between the numbers thrown around at rallies and the numbers Statistics South Africa can actually defend is enormous. Stats SA's most recent survey puts the country's total immigrant population, documented and undocumented combined, at roughly 3.1 million people, or about 5.1% of the population.That is far below the 15 to 30 million figure that some anti-immigration campaigners have circulated. It is, however, somewhat above the global average of about 3.7% of the world's population living outside their country of birth.[2]

Refugees and asylum seekers make up a small slice of that. The country hosts around 75,000 recognised refugees and 165,000 asylum seekers, a number that peaked back in 2015 and has been declining since.[1] None of this means undocumented migration is not a real issue for the country's institutions. It means the scale is smaller, and the picture more complicated, than the loudest voices on either side suggest.