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KingCold:
We're "xenophobic" and y'all criminals.. there!

We finally agree on something Mfethu. There is progress

KingCold:
So must I post articles of Nigerians involved in crime as well to butress a point that Nigerians in South Africa are criminals too? That us too we're "victims" of your crimes? Yes?

Who is disputing that claim? We all know of the criminal Nigerian syndicates that operate in South Africa, but this is separate from claiming your people are not Xenophobic.

KingCold:
I'm glad you specified it was your "belief" because that is very distinct from "facts".

Two of those articles support my beliefs.

KingCold:
total BS.. A Nigerian living in South Africa doesn't translate to xenophobia victim.. .This card is so played-out is not even funny

so what is this?

Eish you either don't know what is going on in your country on ground or you are choosing to play ignorant.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d1jU0oY_lC8&t=67s


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P-fSbKZdiBY


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gpMPnyCriB4

KingCold:
You be saying something then lie a few mins later.

someone said " Xhosas hate the Zulus" I disputed that and you responded by saying "ofcourse they do"! do what?

Again, I said to you " the xhosas don't hate Zulu people " and again you responded by saying, "its the other way around" what is? The "hate of course"... if you gonna say something, else it have the audacity to back it up

You also said, the xhosas were an intellectual class, hated for that by the zulus, so how is your point bolstered here? Where. Is the hate from the Zulus stemming from that intellectualism?

Let me clarify then cause hate is a very strong word. I strongly believe the Zulu "despised" the intellectual prowess of the Xhosa and i strongly believe that the Zulu's are the most tribalistic South AFricans out there, noting that there are other tribes who also xhibit tribalism against peoples who live in the peripheries of South Africa such as the Venda, the Shangaan and the kwa-ndebeles.

I also believe there is tribalism that plays a good role in South AFrican politics.

Are we clear now?

KingCold:
So says Mr xenophobia victim himself.. no victimhood here, just pointing out the obvious incosistancy., someone says an insult to you and you say it back, they ban you and not him.

I am not a victim of Xenophobia, my fellow Africans living in SA are so how can I be a victim.

SMH

KingCold:
LOl, Someone called South Africans "wwicked" the other day, and when I responded by saying "they were far worse because they export their "wwickedness" across the world, I got banned. These people are allergic to the truth

Victim mentality. They just banned me too.

KingCold:
Bruv...you said "Zulus" hated Xhosa people because Zulu people feel inferior to the intellectually superior Xhosas.. now you're shifting goalposts.. hahahaha..

1.There is no shifting posts. I never used the word Hate, go back and read again.
2. The impression of the superior education and intellectual prowess of the Xhosa class in the ANC and overall population is historically noted and a subjection of contention even in present day South Africans, stop lieing. The second article posted denotes this point.

KingCold:
If going by your argument, the whole world must be tribalistic, then. ..eg the Basques vs Catalans in Spain, the Manchu vs the Han in China, etc... You're simply mistaking being "tribal" with being "tribalistic", the two aren't the same. You are the one with a narrow understanding of the two terms.

You've used this arguement in the past and are basically playing semantics. The two words can be used interchangeable though they have distinct meanings. Both words are predicated on the intensity of the action, nothing more.

KingCold:
Venda people aren't called Shangaan, but Tsonga people are, and they also refer to them;lsevs as such

Re-read the sentence again and point specifically to where I allude to Venda people being refered to as Shangaan. I mention them in seperate discriminatory instances.

KingCold:
There's also no power play between Zulu peeople and ama-Xhosa.. The Zulu people are the biggest tribe in SA, population-wise. Yet we had two Xhosa presidents without issues, and the current president is from a small tribal group also without problems. He's also likely to be succeeded by Mashatile, from the Pedi tribe...The same cannot happen in Nigeria

The above simply bolsters my point that the Xhosa were indeed the intellectual class at the beginnings of the ANC's power. This dwindled after Mbeki was taken out by the populist semi illiterate Zulu- Zuma who was taken out by a Venda and forced a predominately Zulu led party to splinter from the current ANC.

The second article also indicates the there is indeed a power struggle/negotiation by the Xhosa's to re-imerge with the power stuctures.

Its all there to see my friend.

JaceBlaze:
For calling out an obvious biased and unfair pattern by people who moderate this platform?

You see they just banned me as well for a very clean and simple reply to you so we don't discriminate here based on national origin.

KingCold:
You can have harmless bias towards in faviur tribe; this happens everywhere; however, rampant tribalism in South Africa? Forget it, that's your forte. and that's where you energies need to go

You said Zulu people "hated" Xhosa btw, is the "xhosanostra" your reason? LOl..

I never said Zulu's hate Xhosa's. I said tribalism EXISTS in South Africa. It may not be as pronounced as that of Nigeria which is very understandable as our histories are very different in terms of the amalgamation and number of so called tribes that make up Nigeria vs South Africa but it EXISTS. From the derogatory stance on Venda peoples to the taunting of the Ama-shagaans to the power struggle between Xhosas and Zulu peoples.


Your narrow understanding of these differences and complexities of West African language groups has you comparing a relatively homogenous country which basically consists of Three groups of people Nguni/Sotho/Shona speaking peoples with a country with over 100+ languages.

SMH!

KingCold:
Lemme break it down simple for you.. because it's not the earth-shattering conspiracy you think it is.. Under Mbeki's rule, there were growing concerns that Xhosa people were being preferred in key positions of government. So the media coined the term "xhosanostra"... there was no opposition from Zulu people or anything like that..

And yet the second article states Ramaphosa's support by the Eastern province for an assurance of return to power to the Xhosa's after his lame duck presidency.

You guys have zero tribalism in South Africa. I believe you neh!

KingCold:
There's no animosity between the Xhosa and the Zulu people, i don't even recall being there a "Xhosa must go" stance in Zulu-dominated areas,[ and to even insinuate Zulu people "hate" Xhosa people, because Zulu people view them to be "intellectually superior" than them, it's laughable.. Which opinions of the Zulu people did you sample to come to that conclusion? Do you personally know people of these two tribes to deduce who's "intellectually superior"? You're simply falling into the Nigerian trap of viewing everything through a tribal lens. South Africa is not Nigeria.. where people of the wrong tribe can't even get apartments in the wrong states..



There wouldn't be a Nelson, Tambo, Sisulu et al, if there were no ANC. The same ANC that was founded by Zulu intellectuals such as Pixley ka Seme, Josiah Gumede, and John L. Dube

You can try to cover up your people Mfethu but the information is out there.

https://hsf.org.za/publications/focus/issue-8-third-quarter-1997/the-truth-about-the-xhosa-nostra

https://scrolla.africa/who-will-wield-power-in-the-new-anc-the-xhosa-nostra-or-the-alex-mafia/

KingCold:
when was this? 1880?

Go and ask your Historians then come back and call me a Liar.

KingCold:
Seppuku, The Xhosas don't hate the Zulus.. I know you'd so like South Africa to be like Nigeria, but sorry to burst your bubble

It's the other way round the Zulu's know that the Xhosa's are intellectually superior to them and great founders of modern South Africa.

Nelson, Walter, Tambo, Biko.

KingCold:
We aren't saints.. but such is not the case.. sorry.. There's nothing like "Xhosa must go" in Sotho dominated areas for example.. Tribalism is your forte, own it..

Historically the Zulu would call the Xhosa their "dogs". Don't lie.

KingCold:
They don't. Nice try though

You are lieing Wena. They do.

Case in point the only two Presidents in South Africa to lead a prosperous country have the highly educated, highly intellectual and stoic LA XHOSA NOSTRA.

Solsix:
You forgot to add bitter and unnecessary wicked

Na their way.

JaceBlaze:
Useless and biased.

You must leave then.

ABAHAMBE!

Stolen:
Malema is as popular as Mandela himself fun enough their name sound similar and most important, equally radical.


They even have similar features.

The spirit of Mandela lives in him and all of Africa can see that except for his people who prefer White monopoly capitalist who will help them fill their refrigerators with pap and braaii.


They accused him of supporting open borders and a flooding of migrants but if you were to read the EFF's manifesto you will not see a hint of any such thing. Shows you what kind of people you are dealing with.

Stolen:
U mean Lioness5280 / Lionessza6is not hitting it right?


She and her side kick Kingcold Jacblaze and randdigital?

I didn't mention any names o!

Samantha125:
How many times must I keep asking you guys to stop trying to compare me with my fellow South Africans on this forum?🤦🤦🤦

Us having different ideologies and preferences doesn't make me any better than them... I'm just here for fun and nothing serious since nairaland is the only social media platform I'm active on.

Askies!

Stolen:
The real recognise the real. Malema is one of the real ones.

Samantha125 seems to be liked here.

She's the only South African who is really willing to learn anything about the life and culture of other Africans unlike others who believe Nairaland is true reflection of the realities of Nigeria on ground.

akilo1:
Even one Nigeria is not working and u are talking about one Africa ..wetin this man smoke na?

Maybe we should go back to tribal affiliations and divide Nigeria into 500 mini kingdoms. That would be better,no?

Majesty33:
My brother, u are like the South Africans, u should dwell among them. U are attacking an ethnic group in your country forgetting that other regions are also part of the nonsense happening in this country. Now tell me, how are the Igbos clamouring for war?

Don't mind him. I have come to accept that there are some humans are not well upstairs in the head are simply here for their own self-preservation and nothing more.

WizardOfNG:
Malema being mischievously quixotic as usual. Africa is not Europe that has a people sophisticated enough to manage an integrated bloc compromising several nations.

Simply dead on arrival. Will never happen..

maybe not in your life time but never say never.

Mbanda:
Bad leaders and their bad leadership is the cause of criminality in large scale abroad. In the 70's and early 80's when naira has value more than even dollars, we didn't witness japa in large scale the way we witness it now talk less of seeing Nigerian citizens involved in criminality abroad.

We Nigerians have to take some accountability for our unruly behavior abroad as well. Other African countries have bad leaders in power but are nowhere close to the type of arrogance we display abroad.

Jeezuzpick:
Who doesn't know Julius Malema?

Then you must know the insults he has taken because he advocates for a unification of African states against the rampant Afrophobia displayed by a good number of his country men.

Man stands on his principles. The spirit of Malcolm, Nkrumah and Sankara live on through him.

TimeMachine2:
As a nigerian, I support this policy. You can't and overcrowd a palce and expect the aboriginals to remain quiet. South Africa, take control of your country and chase everyone out. You see how we have been crying in south west nigerian? We have been invaded by same ungrateful economic refugees.

Spoken like a true Fascist. I am glad we all have an expiry date on this earth.

banku:
How many countries, even in the rich Western world open their healthcare to everyone in their own countries, not to talk of foreigners?

Until we sit up and direct our angers towards the rightful people instead of towards one another, Nigerians especially will continue to face wotowoto!

When the South African constitution was written to protect all for health care it did not anticipate that offering free health care to all within its jurisdiction would encourage a flooding of Citizens of other African countries across the border and this has become a problem to the health care sector but even if NGO's and other Doctors without borders were to fund health care for Foreigners in SOuth Afria the resentment by the citizens will not stop there.

Let's call it what it is, SA are xenophobic and are in fear of a dominance by blacks from other countries.

franchasng:
I was shocked to see Yorubas in Bloemfontein when I visited SA some years back because before then, I thought it was only Igbos that are the only Nigerians that lived in SA.


So continue shooting yourself on the leg out of hatred, as you point one finger at Igbos, the rest of your fingers are pointing back at your Yoruba brethren


Keep hailing evil

Yoruba full the universities for that side no be small.

mauchiz:
Nigerians should stop going to South Africa, they wont hear, is better to starve in Nigeria than go to South Africa.
Africans are terrible, especially southern Africa, they are the most wicked black race in the world.
Even if there is war in Nigeria, I would rather stay here than go to south Africa.

If you tell them tire they will not hear until they see with their two eyes so leave them to go and become 4th class citizen in South Africa.