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larisoft:
I did not say compete with me. Your skill set is so shiny mine ll likely pale in comparison.

What am asking is: DO YOU WANT ME TO ASK YOU ALGORITHM QUESTIONS HERE ON THIS FORUM? IF YOU GET THEM RIGHT, YOU LL HAVE PROVEN URSELF, IF NOT, I LL SOLVE THEM AND YOU LL MOVE TO THE BLOGGING SECTION WHERE YOUR TALENTS LL BE BETTER APPRECIATED ONCE AND FOR ALL?

JUST SAY THE WORD!!!

All the challenges we have done what was the outcome ??
Its always one sided.
I wont allow you draw me into another e-fight.

Like you rightly said,

larisoft:
my skill set is so shiny yours ll likely pale in comparison.

So what do i need to prove again.

All this talk of ego, maybe some of you guys should actually check yourself.

Like i keep saying "I may not be your problem"


Maybe you are your own enemy bro.

larisoft:
You made an algorithm that crawled the Internet, got Nigerian legal documents, categorized them, converted all to text (whether off, html, etc) in 10 mins?

Do you want me to test your algorithm skills here?

What is the point of that?

I does not need to crawl the internet(i doubt you did that). You just need to find a site(s) with all the data you need and write a very simple html parser.

I do that like every other day.


I thought you were supposed to be matured??

But really why would i need to compete with you that i decrypted your encryption in under 5 mins. Must it be a challenge for you??

LOL.

Okay @larisoft, sorry. But next time dont be cocky and try to mind your own business.

Okay @larisoft, sorry. But next time dont be cocky and try to mind your own business.

[quote post=50143310]^^^the dude above me is trying to show off[/quote]Mind you the dude above you is a blogger according to you. Should i review any of your work ??

larisoft:
If you knew any better, you'd try to implement the algorithms that made that app. You ll probably learn enough to stop embarrassing yourself on this forum.

Dude you just insulted me sha.

Anyway your algorithms took about 10 mins to understand too sha.

larisoft:
Please do! I'm sure a lot of us will benefit from such exposition. When developing an app, my strategy is to move quickly, release and Guage user response and then decide whether or not to continue. Your losing money every minute you spend fortifying something that may not work.

In the app you mentioned, security was the least of my worries and user validation was everything. Otherwise, you wouldn't have been able to decompile it in the first place.

The app is currently free since it wasn't validated as I would have liked. Dhtml18 was the first person to even comment on that hole but from my perspective user response was everything and if the users responded positively, one could go ahead to make the app fortified

So feel free to do what you will with. It's open source now.

Dont worry am not like that.

Contrary to your view, am actually a very cool guy.

Its just many times a lot of you guys amaze me.

I could spend time explaining a lot of things here but whats the point una go still dey argue like say una sabi.

What i have over most of you guys is experience.

But seriously are you saying i should go ahead and publish your content as well as do a review thread on your work

I have not called anyone a fool except you are calling yourself that.

The point is most of you guys only limit yourself to what you find online.

Me i make mentors of the men that changed this profession, that is why i am better than a lot of you.

I know there are few who would read my postings and agree with what am saying intellectually but not my approach (I can be a pain sometimes).

What i wont do sha is be the YES guy.

Like i posted here, if you seek enlightenment on this subject matter do a very thorough research online.


LOL.

Me i don waka back to otuoke.

Those people wey wan learn no how to reach me..

Na only me waka go.....(PEJ 2015)

[quote author=. post=50142755]Hehehe, the royal rumble has started again, yah!![/quote]Na that one you like, King Troll.

Our very learned oga @larisoft excuse for encryption is this:

(char) (toInt(c) - this.seed);

And una go come here come they make noise say una be programmers.

larisoft:
Honestly.... I cant believe this is actually being debated!!!! Its so funny!

Maybe beyond just reading books and documentation online, you should try to really study JVM behaviour.

Most of the assertion asalimpo and so many others made here are not accurate. I took the liberty to actually do verification in code.

But whats the point, once you dont know something you assume thats were all the knowledge in the world ends.

@larisoft In all honesty, i actually dont think you should even be commenting considering the best way to implement security in an app you build is by doing this:
(char) (toInt(c) - this.seed);

Am not about bringing people down anyway else i would make your code public, but i recommend you do something about that in caselaw, i may change my mind and just use that app for a thread lesson.

larisoft:
Lol...I have never claimed such, bro. I just stated my opinion. I wish you the best of the best.

By the way i checked your app(Caselaw). You might consider reimplementing the security in it. Took me about 5 mins to decrypt all your documents. Maybe you should review my thread on how not to implement application security. Am not perfect, but am.....

larisoft:
I have interacted with these two guys personally. Asalimpo is very mature, and real. Seunthomas... I reserve my comment.

And you are matured by joining a free for all right? I wish you the best man.

dhtml18:
By the way, did anyone notice the disappearance of any post from the PIRATED ACCOUNT ever since seunthomas appeared on this thread - does that not show a pattern eh?
I laff in congolese, this is such a shameful act. Even me with all my innumerable TROLL accounts, dont resort to using them unless i am banned (temporarily). Seun cannot and will never permanently ban or deleted dhtml18 anytime soon - i can say that with confidence.

Now you are calling him a pirate??


OK OHHH

dhtml18:
seunthomas, i know you are trying to distract this thread, I shall not respond to any more side-banters on this thread. you guys can say anything you like.

LWKMD.

You no like opposition. Ti e ba e....(You don enter am).
@2Pr3cise
@dhtml18 don dey bow out for you.

dhtml18:
^^^thank God there is a 37-page or so thread to disclaim all these things you are saying. As a matter of fact, this new e-TROLL speaks exactly like you, and is the same as you as far as I am concerned - the writing/thinking pattern is exactly the same. This is how we usually catch people who duplicate accounts - i was actually a nairaland moderator in time past, and these are skills i developed at the time.

@dhtml18 Me am not like you na that goes around creating many duplicate accounts.
dhtml1- dhtml ∞

I dont have time for such. As for the guy challenging you, i like him.

He is like me (has guts).

You see many of those fighting me are just YES people, that cant look outside the box.

In other to achieve greatness, you must look outside the box, do the unusual.

@2Pr3cise
Salute your bravery. For this battle of yours i got ya back. Fire away at the King of Trolls.

LOL.

dhtml18:
WATCH AND LEARN OR YOU MIGHT GET SLAUGHTERED LIKE SEUNTHOMAS.

I believe people can filter the real from the fake eventually.

You are my boy na anyday. As for your cronies, well i dont want to be offensive sha. You see when you keep trying to guide people along the right path, they can actually decide to go any fate they please.

You cant decide that for them.

For this our work, you na brown belt. Me i don get black belt tey tey...

2Pr3cise:
This is a real account.

Finally somebody decides to face the big bully/troll @dhtml18.

His days on this section are numbered....

I don dey document writ of summons for him to seat before panel.

dhtml18:
E be like say i don discipline you before, so you are now begging for mercy eh? but since you are using a TROLL account, I cannot really listen to you.
This is nairaland, people get e-killed everyday, even real-life celebrities. even me sef have gotten e-killed on nairaland a lot of times.

Is you giving him a e-threat ?

2Pr3cise:
lol chillax man.. I was just being sarcastic, you should tone down on your online behavior, it's actually shedding a dark light on you.

He is already dark no amount of toning can turn him to MJ. But he deserves the slap you just gave him. LOL.

asalimpo:
Non programming client wanted to count code with you-manually!!
He had nothing else to do!
And he patiently waited, held the calculator (or used his phone calculator) to compute while you patiently clicked through 100+ files, scrolled down, peered at the line number and reported it to him.

Who looks the clown here! us or you.

When you were on the 25th file , didnt it hit you both to automate it?

You are still making "Assumptions". I never said a "Non programming client".

How do you write code self if you cant see details and make deducible reasoning ?




https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dMN-pjcchrE

Shaking my head and laughing in chinese right now.

FrankLampard:
Embrace peace.

If i embrace that guy me and him will land at the bottom of the ocean na.

You are free to do so at your own peril sha.

asalimpo:
hmmm.....
interesting..
I can see that nothing logical will ensue at this point so i gats to leave you alone.

But think about it.
Your 100k+ lines of code sounds (and is probably/highly likely ) fishy.

if you did it in 8 months as u claim,
how long did the testing take.
the architecting or was it hack as you go.
etc
Then the testing etc

And this was your first large real project.
When you were done, the first thought on the non-programmer client mind was "great, now lets count it-manually" . Remember if the final code was 100k+ lines, the actual output after refactoring could be twice that!!
Lets recap:
facebook was about 10k , lets exaggerate and say it was 20k, initially, and it was concerted work written over months.
youtube was about 10k, written over 3 months.
couchdb was about 20k, written over some months.
emacs was written over i think 5 months, i think its original code size was btw 30-50k. not sure.
so based on this estimates, a 100k+ could take longer.
but if done in less time,it means you put in looong hours. then after that, you and your boss, got giddy
and all your boss wanted to do was "count code"!. c'mon dude. clean your head.

You a drowning man sense is senselessness.

It was not my boss. It was a client. Try to pay attention to details.

No wonder people fail exams and blame their ancestors.

FrankLampard:
dhtml18 come and settle this case oh.

On my thread. Be careful ohh..

asalimpo:
they are boxed into an object type.
converted from primitives to Objects behind the scene.
That's y you can store them in an array of objects and call getClass().getName()
on them.
You can't do that on a primitive.

Integer y = new Integer(20);// explicit integer object is created

Integer z = 5; // boxing takes place converting the primitive ,5, into an object and storing it in a referrence z.

Your using Boxing/Unboxing to justify your claim. Cool down.
You got it wrong.

DUDE OLODO Like you i have not seen before.

I had students like you sha, you practically have to give them factory reset before they can understand very basic stuff.


You are not boxing unboxing anything while compiling. Like i said you require factory reset.

asalimpo:
Bros, your story still doesnt add up. It smells fishy and i aint afraid to tell you so.
Architecting, then coding, then debugging a very large application takes a freaking long time.
if you worked so long and under intense duress for so long, the client would be in a rush to use his software
not sit down with you, and count the lines using of all methods a tedious method.
Non programmers hav very little interest in code . It's like children who dont like maths seeing maths, it scare them . So this clients interest in counting code lines ... hmmm.

let me give you som info of lines of code:
couchdb- was 20k lines of terse erlang code. It was a game changer
I was reading a blog once by a programmer who wrote an application with 100k lines of code,it took him 10yrs!!
youtube and facebook - yeah, the global phenomenoms. With all the intense grinding work of the founders
were about 10k lines of code at launch!! - think of it.
Facebook - zuckerberg resigned to concentrate full time on building facebook.
with 3 or so other coders and it hand only about 10k lines!!!
Dude.

When you add testing!!! Testing 100k lines of code alone could take you months or more.
Testing every function ...
infact by the time you're pushing out 100k lines of code, you'd hav spawned so many frameworks and libraries from the effort.

Then architecting, remember you can't just hack 100k+ . it must be architected like a professional.
The architectural phase alone would take months.
The testing will take months.
The building will take a few minutes or even up to half an hour.

Doing all these in a few months -- hmm!! It looks exaggerated.
Dude,think again. But i could be wrong.

Right now am shaking my head for you.

Let me use some very provocative logic, maybe you can reason a little. LOL

Are you a dullard??

Can you prove that you are not cos it does not add up.

LOL.

Anyway by the side, the banking applications you use, mobile banking etc. Core banking applications, many telecoms applications.

Most of this applications have millions of lines of code.

You are probably still a learner, cos i use erlang OTP too.

Its less declarative compared to java (most functional languages are less declarative).

If you have not written much code or you dont want to post how many was your lines you had in your longest work, then GET off my thread and stop making a nuisance of yourself.


We want to inspire others and not argue senseless.

So please prove you are not a dullard. Am waiting.....

Olodo JJC.

asalimpo:
you still repeating me.
the format is:
<type> <identifier> = ... initialization side.
then the array can hold any object that is a a type or subtype of its type.
e.g
if the array is type Object it can hold types of Object or its subtype.
But object is abstract so it can't be instantiated.
It holds only types of type char, int, boolean , because those are subtypes of type Object
Boxing is taking place behind the scenes to convert the primitives to their Object conterpart before storing them in the array.

what your are doing is similar to what one would do with generics and collections.
Create the collection to hold a higher type but store lower types, descendants , in it.
That doesnt mean that collections can hold different non-related types.
Arrays cannot hold different non-related types.

char,int,boolean are not sub types.
They are primitives. Primitives are the basic of every language. They are not built from class Object.

This may be difficult to explain to people sha. Anyway like i said last time thread was stopped.

Lets forget it. Since you guys dont understand it.

mogozi:
@ seunthomas
I know what happened to you. You actually read a lot of programming resources but haven't gotten an actual opportunity to code major jobs. So you end up drawing false conclusions.
Fincoapps ,larrysoft and timtoday....
This dude has only programmed for himself so he thinks the world of his miserly outputs.

***Every class or object in java inherits from Objects.
***So any arrays of class Objects is logically able to be manipulated. But common sense should raise an alarm if you are any good.
Imagine the rich security measures in java your foolish code just bypassed.
I'm not done yet... I'll prove it to you with facts...

Prove what you already failed the first step.

Thats why i recommend having a better tertiary education.

How can you explain stuff when you are missing the foundation.

asalimpo:
I've done my research . Give some examples.

An array can hold only one type- if it holds seemingly different types,they are subtypes of the array type.

like i said,it is impossible with static languages to have heterogenous arrays.
<type> <identifier> . is the usual syntax.
Not <type> <type2> <type3> etc <identifier>.

e.g
Number numArray[] = null;
this array can hold Integers, Double, Floats etc
but all these types are subtypes of the array type , Number.
when stored in the array, they are stored as Number, not as Integer,Double etc.

So if you want to make your point provide some code.

class Test{



public static void main(String args[]){
boolean status=true;
char c='Y';
int v=100;
Object s[]=new Object[3];
s[0]=status;
s[1]=c;
s[2]=v;

System.out.println(s[0].getClass().getName());
System.out.println(s[1].getClass().getName());
System.out.println(s[2].getClass().getName());

}

}

I already gave this example.

Its simple and clear.


We have an Object type and we insert primitives of different types into it.

If indeed a java array cant hold other types, the file would not be compiled.

Except you have another explanation.

We are talking about the compilation stage which is stage 1.

Explain why the compiler is not throwing up compilation errors but actually compiling the file or is this a bug in javac??

asalimpo:
Your claim was simply subjected to scrutiny. That's all.
I didnt compare your output to myself but to other people's output i've read about.
A pattern usually emerged for large output , in the scale of yours.
Two, run the process of the code counting in ones head - and you'll see what i was
saying.
Anyway, I dont know any mature programmer who starts out with the intention of
outputting a lot of code. Rather, he wants to solve the problem as elegantly and simple as ever and go home. in coding less is more.

Your story simply sounded fishy that's all. and i was'nt scared to tell you so.

lets go over it:
YOu opened the first file, scrolled down, read the lines. saved it on paper,
He reached for his calculator,
you did it to the second file, the third,
ha... non coders in the world i live in wouldve glazed over by then.
two:
architecting, designing and planning a 100K application would take
lots of time, because you can't just go back and change things like you would on
on a 1k app. Infact at this level, architecting is the deal breaker.
You dont just hack 100k+ apps.
Then testing the app!!! - testing is 60%-80% where the work is.
Every single one of those 100k+ lines must be tested else bugs will bubble up and
compound.
Now assuming you were the architect, the programmer and the tester and the build engineer,
by the time you're done, sitting down with your client to open each file and count codes,
while he makes a map fileName->lines of code on paper would seem , irritating..

in a nutshell,if you dont want to be critiqued , dont post.
You could be telling the truth, you could be telling a lie, it has nothing to do with feeling small.
We are all here to learn

If you want to learn, you must first accept the statement, then you can render your own evidence if indeed you have any.

If you actually read the whole first post and not skim through you would understand what happened and not make[b] "Assumptions"[/b].

No one started out trying to count the number of lines in the code, it was just a curious gesture to know how many lines have been generated after such a long exercise( that was the longest i worked on a project).

Maybe if you do hold a positive view about me, you may actually learn from me.

I am not out to destroy, just to correct a few very wrong notions that people post here.

@dhtml
Once again you have shown yourself petty. Carry on....

asalimpo:
If you're inferring from my recent postings,
there's nothing personal going on between me and him. I was just responding to a post and replying back.
Nothing worth creating a new thread for.

I think i like you. I can explain more in detail if you need me to about the other post. If you want to understand the why.

asalimpo:
Static languages cannot have heterogenous arrays. Simply impossible by design.
Polymorphism makes it seem that a container can hold multiple types. But that's only if the other types are
descendants of a single ancestor.
In which case they are upcast to their parent.
And stored as the parent type which is still one type.

Anyway,
here's a reference for you :
" A Java array is an ordered collection of primitives, object references, or other arrays.
Java arrays are homogeneous : except as allowed by polymorphism, all elements of an array must be of the same type.
Each variable is referenced by array name and its index.
Arrays may have one or more dimensions. "-http://www.java2s.com/Book/Java/0020__Language-Basics/Introduction_to_Arrays.htm

Array datatype can hold multiple types even in statically typed OOP languages. The whole idea behind OOP is that you can always create a new type. Like i said earlier, go and research a little more. lol