₦airaland Forum

254tobby:
If Kenya ain't your destination,what usually thrills your people to come here in flock numbers?Or your country has nothing to offer to them in terms of humanistic lifestyle?
honestly speaking,about 80% of them here are engaging in illegal activities,then we talk about it these,you'll say that we're negative about Nigerians.Why don't they just stay in your country instead of displaying some form of frivolities on other people's soil?

Why don't you ask the 20k Nigerians in Kenya? I'm being honest when I say Kenya isn't usually a destination Nigerian thinks about. You can argue that is out of ignorance and not knowing much outside the continent, but that's the reality. The 20k there are more outliers than anything.

kikuyu1:
Thank you,sweetie! I also find the love this Tutsi mass murderer gets annoying. Especially among people who should know better!

Yes, I find it weird especially as there is evidence that Kigame is just another Western puppet. Someone told me you can't even speak against the current government in Rwanda

TayserMahiri:
You kicked of reaaalyy well in your earlier post but like with everyone in this thread, you couldnt stand the test of time. Inevitably, you start defending your own. Four posts down the line you have the qualities of everyone in this thread.

You started by posing what every Nigerian has tried "why are kenyans here, and are Nigerians ever on Kenyan sites?". Sorry to tell you that has probably been asked a million times here. So here is the response, and I hope all newcomers refrain from the same question henceforth:

You wont find Kenyans creating country comparison threads in Kenyan forums like you find here.
This comparison thread was started by a Nigerian.

You get the drift?

You cannot start discussing about me and then ask me "why are you joining the discussion which is about yourself?" Its inevitable that I will join to correct any misconceptions and try to paint the right image about myself because I know myself better. Even though you may be saying that, Aha! this guy is lovely and all stunning, you will as well be saying untruths like he is insane and inebriated!

Bottomline; if you start discussing me, it first shows that:

1. my life alone is enough concern to you even in my absence, and
2. you should expect me to come into the discussion because it is LOUD. Its not like its a private convo. If it was in a private chatroom, no kenyan would be there.

We are not shocked that Nigerians are defending their country, that is precisely what we expected. What we are shocked with is that you find it shocking that we are defending our country. What did you expect? When we defend ourselves its shocking but its not when you defend yourselves.

By the time you got to your second paragraph, you were on straws, really. You were hardly indistinguishable from the multitudes that have tried that line before. You wish to lie that Kenya is the last thing in Nigerian minds, with no threads about Kenya. So who created this thread and why? There is a thread about Kenya almost every day in this site, unless you are new. And almost all are started by who? Yep, Nigerians! Ofcourse! And when Kenyans contribute you get mad! What do you want? Either you stop the projection on us or start threads and wait for the inevitable. We may be 5000 kilometers away but online, we are just next door. It is even worse because the speed of our internet is something else, we see your posts here earlier than some of your neighbors. Dont even mistake our presence as promotion for tourism, that is just a side kick for our presence. Our presence here is precisely because well, you cannot keep off our mentions.

Wondering why we dont pose the query to the Nigerians here ? Because we dont care ! Should we go about asking everyone from overseas that funny question? It is only in a thread like this that we encounter such questions, and its possibly a unique thread in the world. I have never come across this kind of thread anywhere before.

Frankly, I dont think there is any way you can spin it to put the blame on Kenyans.

The thing is, Kenya barely gets discussed here. I looked at the beginning and for the most part a lot of the thread started out positive. There were a few negative accounts from Nigerians, but they were mostly checked by other Nigerians. Then a bunch of Kenyans came with a hubris that matched the hubris with a few Nigerian trolls and now we have 1600 pages. I admit i'm not as active on this site anymore, but from time to time I check and I hardly see threads about Kenya. I see more about attrocities in Nigeria that makes me sad. You must be actively looking for threads about Kenya to find them so easily. Even yesterday and today I didn't see any thread about Kenya on here, but the way you tell it all Nigerians are obsessed with talking about Kenya and bursting for country comparison. I decided to take your advice and looked through threads featuring Kenya, and almost all of them have no traction.
I stand a hundred percent with what I said.
The thing is its almost the same Nigerians you people have been arguing with it for 1600 pages . You guys must be really invested in this to not let this go. There is also a difference between defending and being an insultive asshole. Most of you have crossed that line. Same with some of these Nigerian trolls.

254tobby:
You're saying Nigerian population in Kenya is less than 0.05% of Nigeria's total population yet the population of your peeps here ranges between 17k-20k.How many Kenyans do you think live in Nigeria? Less than 500

There is only 17k-20k Kenya in Nigeria but you make it seem like there is thousands. With the way you guys talked I thought it was about 100,000 that's the benchmark I used. The percentage is even less then in about 0.01%. Population proportions my brother. There are more Nigerians in neighbouring African nations that might be considered in a worse state than Nigeria .
Yes, we get it. Nigerians are such illegal fraudaulent people that brought crime to Kenya . Its funny to me when other countries use Nigerians being there as a benchmark, when you can find a Nigerian everywhere regardless of how bad a country it might be. This is how I saw someone from Cameroon yesterday talking about how Nigerians are always beefing with them, and that so many Nigerians flocking to Cameroon lol.
Well I said my piece. Let me disappear now . I have no dog in this fight. As I said previously before I got diverted in my defense, all of this is useless until we get African superpowers. Until then, its like acting which is the bigger aunt in an aunt hill when compared to the rest of jungle . Africans are largely irrelevant to the global stage unless its to manipulate and divert us.
I would like to end with commendment to Kenya for their improved electricity and technology though. Top 20 fastest internet is no joke.

Jay254:
You are talking as if Nigeria is a Somalia, you guys have the biggest economy in African How did you get there.

This Agreement will grow all african countries but how quick countries grow will depend on how they package themsalve.. It will push Entrepreneurs and Investors to different heights because they will be dealing with much larger population and different dynamics.

If Nigerians can't trade with other countries in Africa they should also remain in their country and make it prosperous. Currently you are running away from your shithole and yet you claim you want to make it better.

You are very confusing and nasty lol. As for the trade agreement, many here agree that Nigerian's don't really need it for now and that it won't benefit Nigeria. Nigeria needs to improve infrastructure and manufacturing first. It isn't being cowardly, but its an honest truth. Nigeria needs to tap into its huge market first before opening it. I hope Nigeria doesn't sign. Only people who are excited are the ones who need to expand their markets.

sHOTdownHawk:
You go all out to chastise non-nigerians only to turn around and talk shit about Nigeria. Atleast the OP is not confused on what she hates about Nigeria or Africa, which is what i find ignorant.

It seems you are confused. Unlike you I try to be objective and not hateful. Just because I am objective? I'm fair on both sides. You are the one claiming that Nigeria is the only country for slavery and prostitution. I countered that. I also countered what she said about Kenya and SA? I find both sides distateful. If objective facts are spoken without insults then I have no issue.

nwoke37:
It's the biggest forum in Africa. Just like our entertainment industry dominates the continent, nairaland will as well. No worries, it's natural(predestination). Other African countries on Nairaland shouldn't worry you. It's exciting. We get different perspectives. I want nairaland to even grow more, and see countries like Congo, Tanzania, Sudan, Angola... etc

I won't be surprised if nairaland becomes more pan African in the future. It's inevitable...

It isn't really Pan African when all they are here for is to prove their country is better. The discourse and information is amazing, but a lot of it gets lost under the insults and bragging.

sufferNsmiling:
Best Places To Live In Africa Kenya win
Best cities to live in Africa Kenya win
Best Countries For Business in Africa Kenya win
Africans have access to a reliable power supply Kenya win

I would think Botswana, NAMIBIA, SA ect would win. Not Kenya, no offense.

sHOTdownHawk:
Am really hardpressed to understand why you think i got hatred for nigerians. And secondly where die i mention Kenya in the Quote. You must be an Idiot.

Because in your comments you are always raving about Nigerians and you only seem to pop up on Kenya thread. I'm not an idiot just observant. Now you are trying to form innocence? Your comment is always berating Nigerians or Nigeria somehow but of course you don't have a hatred

My only other question is is there a Kenyan site where Nigerians are in Kenya's business like this lol? What's the point on going on a nairaland forum and acting shocked when Nigerians defend their country. What's the point on going on a Nigerian forum and berating Nigeria 24/7. You guys keep saying you want to change your subject but you can't. You need to prove to Nigeria that your country is better, but why? Most Nigerians here wouldn't be visiting Kenya. There is no purpose? Why is it so important to prove that your country is better? Are you getting paid to promote tourism in Nigeria ? You claim you are here to defend your country from Nigerians, but to be bluntly honest Kenya hardly gets mentioned in nairaland. Nigerians are too busy cursing Nigeria left and right to really think of other African Nations like that. If you want an honest and objective debate why not try the Nigerians actually living in Kenya? I don't even think Nigerians think of African countries like that aside from SA and the ones nearby. I would imagine this is the same with Kenya, so why so many of you guys here?
For all the Kenyans here, no offense but what's the point of berating Nigerians in Nigeria? You guys claim its to fix their delusions and arrogance, but what's the point? Most of them wouldn't suddenly change their mind as evidenced by how long this thread is.

Jay254:
We normally say the trueth hurts.

You seem to very combative and aggressive for no reason. Okay, your country is well ahead of Nigeria. Congrats? When is it reaching first world status that it will start changing the perception of Africa? Please educate us on what your country is doing well so that other African Nations can emulate .

nwoke37:
lol, 60% of Nigeria lives in poverty... the remaining 40% is bigger than Kenya's population...

That remaining 60 is also bigger than Kenya's population .

Hello everyone,
I would like to join this debate as someone sent this thread to me.
This is hilarious to me.
It seems the premise of this thread is to prove which African Nation is less bad lol. This is hilarious because where I am I have friends from Ethiopia, Kenya, Nigeria, Rwanda, Zimbabwe, South Africa, Ghana and ect, and there is a constant debate on which African Nation is worse . I guess one has to save face if you are online and in your own country.
What's hilarious is that regardless of where you are from in Africa, you complain about the same issues, safety, water, electricity (to a point), corruption, bad and expensive health care and hospitals, education sector, lack of jobs ect.
Trying to decide which one is better on a long internet thread is useless. We are all seen equally as bad in the eyes of foreigners, aside from South Africa for obvious reasons. Foreigners complain about the same issues in almost every African Nation from Kenya to Nigeria .
I know some of you have superiority complex, but in general, no African country is seen in a better light .
I wonder why threads like this are so long but not threads about the increasing Chinese investments in various African Nations. While you guys keep scrambling over which mediocre African Nation is better, everyone is talking about how China is recolonizing Africa .
I guess trying to prove others are in worst situations than you makes someone sleep better at night.
Collectively, African countries have failed. No first world country when most got their independence around the same time as Asian countries. You can blame European colonialism and blah blah, but that only works to a point. The best African countries with the best infrastructure or economies are ones where whites were heavily involved in their infrastructure, Botswana, Namibia, South Africa. You can claim all you want that blacks had a hand in building, but they were mostly laborers. My friend just came back from Botswana and Namibia and she was talking about how in all the expensive places you can only find whites, and that as a Black African they looked at her like she didn't belong.
I am no patriot just a realist.
I will say this though
Country with better infrastructure and electricity-Kenya
Country where most businesses are more likely to be owned by local than foreigners-Nigeria
Country with less corruption----Hard as all African Nations are fantastically corrupt, they only look less corrupt when comparing with Nigeria

mtis:
Then i gather that maybe Nigeria dont have that manufacturing thingy they keep on bragging about here...Coz serious what are they afraid of...An about having a bigger (180 m strong) market is a serious joke..180 m people with 60% poverty rate is not that great

The same stats also claims nearly half of all Kenyans live below poverty line. That isn't that great either. Although better.

Jay254:
Well put bro, honesty even Rwanda with less GDP than Abuja has so much to show than the giant it self.

What? What is in Rwanda aside from Kigali? Even then, Kigali isn't that developed. And are you really comparing it to a homicidal dictator with various human rights abuses in the Congo?? Yes, there government has been trying with education and tech, but just because one city gets named the cleanest is Africa doesn't mean the country is making it. Typical African mentality.

sHOTdownHawk:
All i know is that, even in Europe a Black man minding his on business and not breakin any law will be stopped and asked for ID. To many illegals here( definitely from Nigeria).

It makes sense as most Nigerians will make up majority of Africans in Europe. Trust me though, i've met many illegal Kenyans, Ethiopians, Nigerians, Somalis, Ghanaians ect. Wait, you don't even live in Kenya but you are here making noise about Kenya? You must have really hate the Nigerians you met abroad then.

254tobby:
What can drive us to come to Nigeria??we would rather go to developed countries like south Africa atleast we have a benchmark of their progress.As for that case,Kenyans seldomly come to your country but on the other way round you peeps flocks here in large numbers to engage in fraudulent activities that you guys are pros in that sector.

I think he meant insulters like yourself. A lot of you Kenyans here are very negative and abusive. That is the truth. For the love of me, I wouldn't be on a forum filled with people I despise. The fraudulent activities line is so old, as if Kenyans are such peaceful saints. I find it hilarious when countries who complain about corruption in their own countries try and paint Nigerians as fraudaulent. As if the entire of Africa isn't known for fraudalent activities. I notice other Africans like to flock on nairaland and act like their shit doesn't stink, as if Kenya isn't up there for Africa brain drain along with Nigeria. Not physically go there. No offense, but i've never heard Kenya as a destination or migrant place for Nigeria. Nigerians are everywhere in Africa including in worse African Nations, and even if you have a hundred thousand Nigerians in Kenyans percentage wise that's less than 0.05% of Nigeria's population, so obviously Nigerians aren't trekking everywhere to go to Kenya . Lol at calling South Africa a developed country. Just by Africa standards you mean .

Henri8:
South Africa, Zimbabwe and Kenya are axis of evil if you know what I mean.

LOL and Nigeria isn't?

sHOTdownHawk:
If thats true then Nigeria is pure hell. Show me a country where ppl sell their own to slavery and prostitution. Only Nigeria

Are we really going to act like its only Nigeria involved in slavery and prostitution? Other African Nations including Ghana and Senegal are involved in slavery in Libya, but yet you are here talking about show me a country. Do you know the country of Mauritania practices slavery in modern day daylight. They were supposed to disband it in the 20th century after pressure, but still they continue . What do you consider the treatment of East African maids ? Isn't that modern day slavery? Those who live in glass houses shouldn't thrown stones. You can easily find Kenyan, Ethiopian, Nigerian ect prostitutes everywhere, especially in Dubai and the Middle East.
It's very laughable that a Kenyan is trying to talk about Nigeria and prostitution lol.
I've seen a few of your comments and you seem very hateful and arrogant, always having to start something and talk crap about Nigerians and claiming its in defense of Kenya. If I hated and looked down on a people and country so much I wouldn't be on their websites spewing like a rapid dog.

Am I the only one looking at the handsome white guy?

byrron:
Naturally, i would have ignored your comment which is premised on ignorance but for the purpose of education which is what this forum is also all about, i therefore refer you to the link below for further education/information about the connection of racism in Freddie Gray's death in Baltimore MD.

You don’t have to be White to become a racist.

http://uproxx.com/smokingsection/2015/05/baltimore-officers-were-black-but-this-is-still-a-racial-issue/

Sorry, just quoting what my extremely liberal APUSH teacher claimed..

Atmmachine:
There are no dangerous places in the U.K
U.S.A is the most dangerous country in the world
Can you walk on the streets of Detroit or Chicago. ??

Yes you can lol. It Depends which area you're talking about?

byrron:
I am also in the U.S and there are so many societal issues here as well!

Racial discrimination/profiling still exists here and the crises In Ferguson and most resently in Baltimore goes to show that the western worlds too do have their own ish.
every country gat it's own issues dude.

Lol Baltimore was less about racism, you can't put it in the same category as Ferguson. Half the cops in Baltimore are African American..

Twaci and no other contestant is even close

nwafuluozoh:
Slightly below sef.

True talk ^

Average.

This thread is beautiful and i've just spent the past few hours crying. How can I donate or get in contact with some of these people? Ugh such resilience and determination, and here I am crying about my broken s5. I really hope all these people have the breakthroughs in their lives. The attitudes of these people are so amazing and inspirational. I really hope there is a way to help that women's shop still.
I could share my parents if it's any good.
My dad was still riding a bicycle while attending school/teaching in Uniben at his late 30s as well as hawking in the streets. Everyone claimed that he couldn't make it and wouldn't get anywhere in his life, and my mom made a mistake for marrying him. Now were a middle to upper middle class family in the states.
#Anythingispossiblewiththegraceofgod

AkanIgbo:
Another incredibly stupid lie about blacks in America. I finally realize that most of the information that most people think that they know about African Americans is complete misinformation.

Where does one even start with these ridiculous statements. First of all "blacks" in America call themselves African Americans. So right there they are telling you where they came from . These are the names that people used to call "black" people in American:

1. Slave
2. Negro
3. Colored
4. Black
5. Afro American and

Finally, it was the "black" people in American that wanted to be known as African Americans, because while we didn't know exactly where our ancestors were from in Africa; African Americans did know that they ancestors were from Africa. So African Americans know where they are from; even the common "black" American refer to themselves as African American; because all African Americans know that there is no such place as slave, negro, colored, black or Afro any place in Africa. So if there is any group that is letting the World know that they are African it is African Americans. The movement is so strong, that African American is showing up on official forms as frequently as the word black.

African Americans even celebrate something called "Black History" month in America every February to celebrate our African roots and we put "Kwanzaa" on the map in the USA. African Americans have whole departments in historically black colleges set up just for African History, which has led to a movement by major white universities like Harvard setting up African History departments in major universities. Look it up. Dr. Henry Louis Gates at Harvard University is major researcher on African culture and African American Diaspora. Dr. Gates is ran a series on public television and it is followed very closely by people, including just regular every day "black" people in the USA. In fact African history is a wide field of study in American Universities and it is African Americans that have been pushing it.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Henry_Louis_Gates,_Jr.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Finding_Your_Roots
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/African_American_Lives
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_African_Americans:_Many_Rivers_to_Cross

Where do you think all of this DNA testing stuff for ethnicity is coming from? It is coming from African Americans. They are driving the market, because they want to know exactly where they are from. Read the below linked articles to see all of the companies in the USA offering ethnicity DNA testing to African American, and it has become even higher profiled since a lot of celebrities like Oprah Williams, Vanessa Williams, Don Cheadle, Morgan Freeman, Danny Glover, Chris Rock, Chris Tucker, etc., etc., have taken the DNA test. African American are constantly testing their ethnicity, which is why so many of the testing companies are spending so much time in Africa testing the people there and clearing up and verifying oral history.

http://usatoday30.usatoday.com/tech/science/genetics/2006-02-01-dna-african-americans_x.htm

Most "blacks" in America don't feel like they are Americans; Hell we know that because White Americans keep reminding black people that they are not Americans, by making policies and laws that only apply to "black" people.

You should stop making generalizations about African Americans, because you don't know what you are talking about. What exactly have the "Black Brits" done to push the study of African History? Because just being from African doesn't make someone more African than someone that has never stepped foot on the Continent.

Lol it definetly does make someone more African. Stop trying to claim something you have no right to claim. And don't lie, most blacks mock and hate anything related to Africa. I've never met a black who associate themselves with Africa. And by the way, you guys are Americans regardless of how US views you. Leave the actual African immigrants with that title.

That's disturbing, but what's more disturbing is the disgusting state of that primary school! How is that a conducive environment to teach children?

I will get my name there some day and to the OP, did you call Howard a mediocre University? Lol it may not be the best, but it's still decent. I didn't think that Urbana Champagne was regarded highly, maybe I should stay in state.

erico2k2:
where they hustlers when they arrived?moreso how old where you kids when you arrived I presumed you must be under 16 when you did.I also presume they had the right to work when they arrived in teh first instance, to me that's not the group I refer to as hustlers, I'm talking of guys who get here with Visiting VISAS.AKA no right to work.

Yeah, we were under sixteen when we arrived. And oh, maybe not the same thing; we had won the American lottery and we had serious help from a white man that later became my parents' best friend..