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by the way lest i forget to inform you guys...i am now a Shia Salafist. our fourth Imam, Ali Ibn al-Hussain (as), was a salaf. that makes us Salafi.

as for me, i do not follow Ibn Baaz, i follow Abu Baaz.

RABIUSHILE04:
Pls never you quote me in your life, Dan Shia, munafikai kawai!!!!!!!!!!

it does not dignify me to quote you. look at how bushy your name sounds.

Demmzy15:
I couldn't ignore the stupidity in your posts, I'll address the important points and write "pfft" on the stupid ones!



Qaradawi, Zakir Naik, Safar Hawali, Salman Audah, etc and whatsoever you mention is not a salafi. I know you're too dumb to know, you automatically brand everyone Wahabi/Salafi as long as they support terrorism. Salafis are united upon the prohibition of suicide bombings!



Apparently you need to visit a mental hospital because you're obviously running mad because you refuse to understand simple explanations. No salafi here supports suicide bombers, you're the one supporting them, yet you blame salafis! Who does that if not a mad man?



The list of Scholars of salafiyyah aka Ahl Sunnah Wa Ja'amah that prohibit suicide bombings:
Sheikh Ibn Baaz(rahimahullah), Sheikh Al Albani(rahimahullah), Sheikh Al Uthaymeen(rahimahullah), Sheikh Ahmad Najmi(rahimahullah), Sheikh Muqbil(rahimahullah), Sheikh Saleh Al Fawzaan, Sheikh Rab'i Al Madhakalee, Sheikh Muhammad Ibn Hadi, Sheikh Saleh Al Suhaymeen, Sheikh Sulayman Ar Ruhayli and many more. So what else do you want? These are scholars who have credibility and every student of knowledge clings to, we don't blindly follow, they've given proofs for whatever they stated.

I presented Ibn Baaz(rahimahullah) video to supposed teacher of that Al Tarifi guy, I damn sure you didn't watch.



I'm saying it come and beat me na it's your brain that's uncertain and slow since you cannot process anything and still be stubborn when things are explained.



Pfft, still doesn't change the fact that Iranian regime supports terrorism and sponsors suicide bombings against Muslims and even their own fellow Shia brethren.



See why I say you're dumb, do you know the agreement between Al Imam Muhammad Ibn Saud(rahimahullah) and Al Imam Muhammad Ibn Abdulwahab(rahimahullah), the man who appointed him as Mufti is a progeny of Muhammad Ibn Saud and Sheikh Ibn Baaz is also a progeny of Ibn Abdulwahab. But I know you're dumb to ever find out, just wanking about.



Ode! Before I brought Ibn Baaz, I quoted other scholars. I quoted Al Uthaymeen and others. I only placed emphasis on Ibn Baaz when you kept nagging about Al Tarifi being a student. Why would we follow a supposed "student" when his teacher presented clear proofs?



Fact remains that:
1. Shi'as were the first to partake in suicide bombings in which they passed it to Communist PKK who then passed it on to the Palestinians. I'm challenging you and your maraji to disprove that!
2. The Iranian regime is a known supporter of terrorism. It's funds Al Qaeda which gave birth to ISIS, Hezbollah in Lebanon and Syria, Shia militias in Syria, wanted to send arms to Shias in Nigeria.
3. The world is seeing the barbarism of Shias and their thirst for blood. Even ISIS cannot be compare to you, if I'm lying, take a tour to Syria.

I'm pitiful to anyone who supports you, if they're not judged in this world, the hereafter is waiting.

regurgitated trash.

you have not answered the question: what is the central doctrine of Salafis/Wahhabis?

you have failed to explain why those clerics you deny are not Salafi and on what basis.

you have failed to disprove that, based on Kalbani's (the wahhabi imam of Makkah) words ISIS is Salafi/Wahhabi.

you have failed to deal with the fact that salafi clerics are divided on their views and al-Tarifi is one such example at lease.

you have failed to realize that wahhabis/salafists terrorism use suicide bombings to target innocent civilians of other faiths (not combatants) in aggression (not in self defense).

this thread will forever be a reminder to your misguidance and ignorance and heart-wrenching stupidity.

lexiconkabir:
he has liked and shared his own post again

ask Albaqir if he was not the one who liked and shared my posts. he will testify. he has been following the thread. stray children of Humeira.

lexiconkabir:
what makes one a salafi is understanding the Qur'an and sunnah exactly the way the salafs understood it, part of it is not killing yourself.

give us a copy of that your "understanding", because from the look of things, Salafis/Wahhabis differ among themselves so much that they resort to denying themselves of the label.

is there a book of that understanding written by the Salaf?

can you give us a list of those Salaf?

you just cannot tell us that Salafis are those who understand the Quran and Sunnah the way the Salaf do and still deny men who also claim that understanding. that your definition of a Salafi is not definite and uncertain.

a Muslim is one who utters the Shahadatain and believes it in his heart. this is something definite. i want something concrete.

refer us to the copy of that understanding of the salaf and give us their names.

was it only ibn baaz that condemned suicide bombing? the salafs condemned killing of oneself, which suicide bombing is one of it..

Ibn Baaz was the chief employee cleric of the Saudi govt. he absolutely prohibited it. other clerics of the wahhabi/salafi school do not.

so next time, start speaking for Ibn Baz and stop speaking for all Wahhabis/Salafists. and stop denying that they carry out takfiri killings or that your takfiri brothers who kill on takfir are not wahhabis/salafists.

what can solve this issue is, [size=12pt]BRING A SINGLE SHIA SCHOLAR WHO CONDEMNED SUICIDE BOMBING JUST AS HOW WE HAVE "WAHHABIS" THAT CONDEMNED IT[/b]

no. our scholars do not condemn it in their majority. i am leaving room for doubt because you may end up finding one or two here and there. the majority, and i can say all, have unanimously issued fatwas to support the palestinian fight against occupation using all means to resist occupation and defend their land and lives including "martryrdom operations". there is no shame on this. self-defense in whatever form or means is absolutely islamic and has basis in Islam. now if you want to show solidarity to your israeli friends, and use a particular deadly means used by oppressed palestinians against superior military occupation targets, and turn it into a method to shed the blood of innocent people of other faith in takfiri killings, then your action is wrong and the act becomes forbidden because it is not self-defense but shedding of innocent blood. that is the stance of our scholars. our scholars do not shy in supporting oppressed people. that is the very reason you see that the Shia are always united in their fight. the main point is self-defense. we do not offend anyone and we do not fight in aggression. we do not have rogue groups who pick up arms for the wrong causes to kill innocent people. no Shia has ever blown himself up in a mosque or church. our scholars and the Shia clerical hierarchy is well defined. no riff raff takes up arms without the support of the marjaiyyah (the ayatollahs, the highest rank among Shia scholars); otherwise, if any Shia does, it is the Shia themselves who will beat that person and such rogue groups will not get any support. the marjiyyah is a major force to reckon with. Ayatollah Sistani issued a fatwa to declare jihad in Iraq against ISIS AND YOU FIND MILLIONS OF SHIA JOINING THE POPULAR MOBILIZATION UNITS TO FIGHT ISIS. and do not forget, Shia clerics are never employed by any govt. they get paid through KHUMS from the believers contributions. the Shia scholars are financially independently and that tells on their fatwas and rulings. you dont find Shias independently acting to fight or acting violently based on individual decision. that is why no Shia can tarnish the reputation of Islam or the Shia as a fighting force. the goal is self-defense and it must have the blessings of the ayatollahs, who are wise and sane men. not any cleric with a turban can declare jihad or pass fatwa to fight. no such confusion in Shia ranks. but you have Salafist groups fighting themselves (e.g. ISIS VS Nusra) because anyone makes the decision of war. no central decision. no maturity. and worse, you are the aggressors because you do not fight in self-defense, the only time force is justified in Islam. you perform takfiri killings on innocent civilians and then hide behind your fingers denying one another. you guys either follow the truth of Islam or you put yourselves in order and stop the madness.

LEST WE FORGET THE PERSON WE ARE DISCUSSING ABOUT:

Sheikh Abdul Aziz al-Tarifi:
Sheikh al-Tarifi is a Researcher in the Ministry of Islamic Affairs in Riyadh. The Sheikh is deeply erudite in the sciences of Islam, known for his profound ability to retrieve evidences and issue meticulous verdicts. Among his teachers are Sheikh Abdul Aziz b. Abdullah b. Baaz, Faqih Abdullah b. Abdul Aziz b. Aqeel and Sheikh Muhammad b. al-Hasan al-Shanqeeti. The sheikh has an extensive number of printed works.[12]
http://www.islam21c.com/politics/conclusive-scholarly-opinions-on-isis/

AND HE ALSO ANSWERS RELIGIOUS QUESTIONS ON ON TV IN WAHHABI SAUDI ARABIA. IN OTHER WORDS, HE GIVES RELIGIOUS EDICTS (FATWAS).

lexiconkabir:
honestly i stopped at "I support self defence through whatever means" yani even one defends himself by killing himself a k.a suicide bombing, thank you for proving all we've been saying all along

that is a question you should pose to Abdul-Aziz al-Tarifi, Salman Oudah, Safar Hawali, Zakir Naik, Yusuf al-Qaradawi.

you stupid hypocrites.

lexiconkabir:
even if he did, it doesn't prove anything, his teacher condemned it, and we follow the salafs not tarifi.

it does prove something. it disproves your blackmail against the Shia as a whole and against me personally that your scholars are all "angels" who oppose this contentious issue. i am still waiting eagerly for your to tell us the criteria for what makes one salafi/wahhabi. i am waiting. then we will see what takes one out of your wahhabi cult.

so Ibn Baaz is your "prophet". anyone who goes contrary to his view is not a Salafi/Wahhabi.

the same thing is how you people place divinity on Ibn Taymiyyah and Ibn Abdul-Wahab, and some notorious Sahabas. when will you reason clearly that those were fallible men and can make mistake and can be opposed and differing with them does not make you anything less in God's eye?

lexiconkabir:
whoever has a good network should pls watch the video and tell us if what shiamuslim claim about al-tarifi is true..

cc: friendchoice, Rabiushile04, demmzy15.

fantastic. this is good. now you are talking.

when you confirm, i expect an apology from you guys for your blackmail on this controversial issue.

Demmzy15:
Is it that your head is too impervious that nothing can enter again? He's not a salafee, salafees are united upon the prohibition of suicide bombings. I don't care if he's a student, he's teacher prohibited it so why should we follow his student?

One of the men who seized Makkah in the 1970s was a former student of Ibn Baz(rahimahullah) who went rogue, so how does that concern him? Yasser Qadhi was a former salafee in fact he was a staunch opposer of Shias, but now he's a supporter and even speaks against the salafees. So I seriously don't get your point!

Na waoo, you've switched to another account, we're waiting for crossbreka, uplawal, shialagos, lagosshia and all those your alternate accounts to storm here.

Lemme make this clear to you, I'm not BetaThings, be reasonable for once.

someone who works for the saudi islamic affairs ministry in riyadh and goes on tv to answer religious questions and speak for the religion cannot be compared to a rogue student of Ibn Baaz.

he is also no Yasser al-Qadhi because this Abdul-Aziz al-Tarifi has not renounced his Wahhabi/Salafi adherence like Qadhi did.

lexiconkabir:
The most glaring way to know is to check here on NL and see who supports suicide bombing, readers should check his post and the salafee brothers here, people will find out that only SHIAMUSLIM AND HIS ALTERNATES JUSTIFIES SUICIDE BOMBING HERE, SO WHAT HIS HE TRYING TO PROVE?

were you conceived from contaminated semen? i really wonder whhy your head(s) is so blocked that you have to resort to blackmail and character assassination to win sympathy of who exactly?

i support self-defense by an oppressed people through whatever means. i oppose killing innocent people through whatever means including the suicide bombing by your wahhabi brothers in iraq targeting Shia and in other countries targeting Christians and other faiths on the basis of takfiri killings of innocent people.

your blackmail will not work. your political fatwa by clerics in saudi employed by the govt. opposing "suicide bombing"/"martyrdom operation" will not work. i am only bringing up the views of scholars from your cult because you aim to use this contentious issue to blackmail the Shia and in particular Shia scholars as the proponent of "suicide bombing" while in reality the Shia, more than anyone, are the victims of wahhabi takfiri suicide bombing. you want to turn yellow into pink and blue into red. i am bringing out the views of religious scholars. what is the take of Islam on this issue. this is no issue of justifying (by me) because i am not a scholar. let the scholars speak for what Islam says. and your lies have been exposed by your own pseudo-scholars. you all are confused apparently and frustrated on this thread.

there are salafists/wahhabi who do not conform to saudi employed clerics. and even Tarifi is a saudi govt employee whose view is different from the rest and listen to his video till the end. he stated it in clear unambiguous language that in certain situations "suicide bombing" or rather, what is referred to as "martyrdom operations" is justified ( "yajooz" ). i am not the one supporting "suicide bombing" or what is referred to as "martyrdom operations". i am not a scholar. i only succeed in exposing your lies and presenting the views of Islamic scholars across the sectarian spectrum on the issue, both Shia and Sunnis including Wahhabis/Salafis. Islam is not your father's property or Ibn Baaz's property. there is no monopoly on Islam. examine the views of religious scholars across the sectarian divide.

my stance is merely a response to another BLACKMAIL by BetaThing who keeps regurgitating falsehood that Shia are the first to use "suicide bombing" and Wahhabis are "angels" who oppose/forbid it; trying to paint the image of Shia black because of this issue, while you are the worse and your cult members do not only use it against combatants as a last resort as permitted by Islam for self-defense, but against innocent civilians of other faiths in takfiri killings. stop your blackmail. face your bloodsucking ideology which passes verdict of unbelief on other Muslims and aims to eliminate the whole of humanity if mankind do not follow wahhabism. it is wahhabis, to the admission of wahhabi cleric Kalbani, who form ISIS and constantly attack civilians of other faiths.

you have no fear of Allah. your sole aim is to uphold the cultism you practice even through blackmail, lies, misinterpretation of the beliefs of others and their words to the extent of denying your own clerics etc.

this thread has exposed your falsity, your cult, and your lies and most importantly, your ignorance and blindness. I AWAIT YOUR DEFINITION OF WHO IS A SALAFI/WAHHABI AND WHO IS NOT AND BASED ON WHAT CENTRAL DOCTRINE.

present to us the doctrine that makes one a salafi/wahhabi. you cannot say it is opposition to "suicide bombing" because when your cult was formed, there was nothing as suicide bombing or "martyrdom operation".

again, your blackmail and lies will avail you no good. i wont ask you to fear Allah because you do not fear Him. i am telling you to see your lies and confusion and save your souls from misguidance and a takfiri death cult. if you start using blackmail and lies, that wont make other do the same because you lack truth.

those who live in a glass house should not throw stones. you opened a thread on "suicide bombing" to blackmail the Shia and Iran. now you are biting your fingers. you are lost and cannot defend your clerics. you are disowning them.

lexiconkabir:
are you changing the goal post? thought you were saying its 'wahhabis", well it has been proven that "wahhabi" ulama whom you tried to slander, have condemed suicide bombing explicitly, here is a question, DID ANY OF THE SHIA ULAMA CONDEMN SUICIDE BOMBING? if the above mentioned individuals are sunnis how does that affect "wahhabis"? and hpw does it change the fact that [size=13pt]YOU IN PARTICULAR HAVE JUSTIFIED SUICIDE BOMBING HERE ON NL TIMES WITHOUT NUMBER [/b]



actually salafis have a central doctrine such that if you differ in even one, you can't be considered a salafi, support of suicide bombing is one of the things salafis speak against.

There's no goalpost change.

Stop denying your clerics.

And above is the profile of Sheikh Abdul Aziz al Tarifi. He's Wahhabi and works for the Saudi government. And he was student of Ibn Baaz.

I am talking of Sunni Wahhabis/Salafis. Not the generality of Sunnis whose stance is known.

Tell us your central doctrine. Let us know it. Stop hiding behind your fingers.

Oga Lexiconkabir,

The below sheikh Abdul aziz al tarifi defends suicide bombing. He works for the ministry of Islamic affairs in Saudi, in Riyadh. He was a student of your hero Ibn Baaz.

Is he not Salafi too? Can a non-Salafi be employed to his role? Can a Saudi student of Ibn Baaz be anything but Salafi/Wahhabi? And guess what? He's said to be "erudite" and goes to answer religious questions on tv in Wahhabi Saudi Arabia.

Are you people shameless?

ShiaMuslim:
Saudi Wahhabi cleric, Sheikh Abdul-Aziz al-Tarifi defending "suicide bombing"/"martyrdom operations" on TV


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TWydRo9rDp4

Sheikh Abdul Aziz al-Tarifi:
Sheikh al-Tarifi is a Researcher in the Ministry of Islamic Affairs in Riyadh. The Sheikh is deeply erudite in the sciences of Islam, known for his profound ability to retrieve evidences and issue meticulous verdicts. Among his teachers are Sheikh Abdul Aziz b. Abdullah b. Baaz, Faqih Abdullah b. Abdul Aziz b. Aqeel and Sheikh Muhammad b. al-Hasan al-Shanqeeti. The sheikh has an extensive number of printed works.[12]
http://www.islam21c.com/politics/conclusive-scholarly-opinions-on-isis/

Furthermore, tell us what makes a Salafist. Are you confused too? You will say a Salafist is someone who follows the Salaf. Which Salaf? And what teachings of the Salaf? No answer?

What of the claim by Kalbani that Isis follows your teachings? No answer?

You're out of answers obviously. And you talk about intellect. Intellect indeed!!!

Demmzy15:
Zakir Naik is not a salafi, he never claimed to be one. Lemme give you a transcript of one of his lectures:

Once, in Riyadh, I went to meet Shaikh Ibn Baz (rahimahullah) when he was alive, I had gone to meet him. I went without appointment, his secretary asked me, who are you? I said, “I am a muslim”. “Which muslim are you? Which muslim are you?” I said, “Muslim.” “What is your Aqeedah?” I said, “Allah and Messenger.” “You question me , I will answer you.” If you want to question, then do it with me. He wished that I should say… In Saudi Arabia, there are no Ahle Hadees. In Saudi Arabia there are Salafi. Few people know Ahle Hadees. There if you say Ahle Hadees, they won’t recognize you. In Saudi Arabia there are Salafi. Because I did not say that I am a salafi, he did not permit me to meet him…
Lecture with the Jahmiyyah Ahl Hadees

As for your dumb assertions, I'm done repeating myself. Belief whatever you want, it's not my business. My final note is Ahl Sunnah Wa Ja'amah aka Salafis aka Wahabis are united in their opposition against extremism and terrorism. They don't make excuses for suicide bombers!

"In the following centuries the term ahl al-hadith came to refer to the scholars, mostly of the Hanbali madhhab, who rejected rationalistic theology (kalam) and held on to the early Sunni creed.[6] This theological school, which is also known as traditionalist theology, has been championed in recent times by the Salafi movement.[7] The term ahl al-hadith is sometimes used in a more general sense to denote a particularly enthusiastic commitment to hadith and to the views and way of life of the Salaf (exemplary early Muslims).[8]"

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ahl_al-Hadith

Demmzy15:
I don enter wahala today o when did zakir naik become a salafee?! Yusuf Qaradawi, Salman Audah, Safar Hawali aren't salafees. You actually think any Sunni Muslim from Saudi Arabia is automatically a salafee, this was why scholars say "ants possess more intellect than a rafidhi".

Salman, Safar and Ibn Ladin were warned against by Sheikh Ibn Baz and Sheikh Muqbil as far back as in the 1990s when they were inciting youths to revolution and terrorism, it's a popular recording.

Seriously, I'm tired of repeating the same thing over and over again, it's surprising that it's a Shia that knows who salafee is and who's not. You just like branding individual that flies into your coconut head as a salafee. I know one day, you brand ibrahim inyass a salafee. Imagine you saying "salafee cleric" of "ikwaan ul muslimeen" Isn't that a contradiction? We'll I don't blame you because you're devoid of sense!

Zakir Naik says he is a Salafi. you say he is not. and he might say you are not. it is all good. so even Bin Laden is not Salafi because Ibn Baz says he is not. that is the problem. you only regard as Salafi/Wahhabi only those certified by the government paid clerics in Saudi Arabia. those Salafi clerics who do not pay heed to the clerical employees in Saudi, are regarded by you as "excommunicated" or out of the fold of Salafism, even though Takfiri terror is their ideology. that is the only thing that unites you all (Takfirism and Takfiri terror and takfiri killings). other than that you keep denying one another for the slightest differences in opinion. what doctrines make a Salafi/Wahhabi? please enlighten us. tell us what doctrine makes you one. like we know the Shahadatain makes a Muslim; even though you people disagree on that too and have added appendages to it. you should clarify.

if you followers of the bloodsucking ideology will keep denying yourselves like this and using the central principle of your ideology (Takfir and Takfiri killings) against your own selves, the world will be a better place. tell us who is part of your death cult and how and what makes them part of it. what are the criteria?

let us assume to agree that those clerics are not Salafi/Wahhabi, are they Sunnis or not? are they Ahlus-Sunnah or not? of course, in the parochial view of yours, only you are Ahlus-Sunnah. others are not Sunni enough. this is the secret Sunnis have not known: that Wahhabis/Salafists do not see them as "Sunni enough". that they are also seen as deviants and misguided.

plappville:
They are exposing themselves. Its still thesame old news. We already know that islam is evil. No matter how they try hard to twist it.

Thier brothers keep bombing, gunshot and beheading innocent people simply because they are unbelievers or because they do not practice the qoran to the letters.
Thats what thier prophet order them to do. Isis are proud and true Muslims. They will defend Islam and the quran with thier lives. We see that each passing day.

stop being bitter. you cannot stand up to extremism and terrorists by doing their bidding. when you dash them a religion with 1.5 billion followers across the world, you are empowering them. Muslims are not going to abandon their religion because of Wahhabis or ISIS or whatever Wahhabi terror group wherever. by accepting the version of the extremists and insulting our Prophet (s), you are empowering the extremists and weakening the Muslims who are modest and moderate. so be mindful of your words and your aims. you cannot make your candle shine brighter by blowing out another man's candle.

lexiconkabir:
When did Qaradawi became salafi? , Shi'as can lie oo, in fact the word "Shi'a" can be replaced by lie, e g..

I "shia-ed" to him when the pressure became much..

Demmzy15:
You're shocked too ba?

The guy thinks he can just "shia" his way about, he thinks we're dummies.

Al Imam Fakhr al Din Al Razi said: "An ant from the valley of ants possess more Intellect than a Rafidhi"

So sad!

keep trying to change the topic and run. you have been presented with a wahhabi cleric who supports suicide bombing contrary to your claim. and now you claim you have not heard of him before, as if you know each and every saudi wahhabi cleric and their views.

the difference between me and you is that i do not describe people and call them names based on what i think or how i see things or based on my own beliefs. i base people's identity based on their own words and how they describe themselves.

here is Qaradawi and his own words and see for yourself if he has not adopted Salafi tendencies AND BELIEFS:

1.) "A Conversation with Sheikh Yusuf Al-Qaradawi"
http://www.ikhwanweb.com/article.php?id=27682

2.) "The top-most contemporary Salafist cleric and the ideological icon of the Ikhwan al-Muslimin (The Muslim Brotherhood) whose fatwas are authoritative for the global Salafi-Wahhabi clergy, is the Qatar-based Islamist jurist Shaikh Yusuf Al Qaradawi. He has also justified the suicide bombing as ‘a defensive tactic’ in his fatwa issued in the 1990s. Much like Zakir Naik, Shaikh Qaradawi has also repeatedly said that he is not the only cleric to justify suicide bombings and that his fatwa was tailored specifically for helpless Palestinians in their fight against the Israeli occupation."
http://www.firstpost.com/world/suicide-bombing-is-haram-in-islam-only-salafist-ideologues-like-zakir-naik-view-it-as-a-war-tactic-2898840.html

3.) "Although al-Qaradawi wrote a book on Imam al-Ghazzali and often quotes his Ihya' as well as clobbers "Salafis" with the Ash`ari School as a whole ("The entire Umma is Ash`ari even if it displeases our 'Salafi' brothers" in his biography of his teacher the contemporary Muhammad al-Ghazali, nevertheless, against all reason, he describes Ash`ari doctrine as "Aristotle's doctrine" and embraces several positions that reek of modern "Salafism" such as calling the donation of the Fatiha to the deceased an innovation (although it is a desirable act according to all Four Schools to donate Qur'an recitation to the dead) and suggesting that the derivation of blessings through persons, sites, or relics (tabarruk) is shirk, although the Companions themselves practiced it in the very presence of the Prophet, upon him blessings and peace!"
http://ahlussunnahwaljamah..com.ng/2008/02/yusuf-al-qaradawi.html

4.) " He informally serves as the main ideologue of the Muslim Brotherhood, for which he is controversial, especially in Egypt, his country of birth. And, though Muslim Salafis and members of the Brotherhood are frequently at odds, al-Qaradawi has been embraced by some Salafis, thus crossing multiple boundaries in Islamic thought."
http://rlp.hds.harvard.edu/faq/yusuf-al-qaradawi-0

so you can add to the list the infamous Nasibi Indian Salafist pseudo-scholar Zakir Naik to the list of Wahhabi AKA Salafi clerics who support suicide bombing. he mentioned in the below video two Saudi Wahhabi "senior" clerics (Safar Awali, Salman Oudah) who support suicide bombing. we now have FOUR in this thread!!!

IS ZAKIR NAIK NOT SALAFI? PLEASE ENLIGHTEN US!!!


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cfdmNJWk4EI


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QwjIlToCu8s


YOU GUYS ARE SO CONFUSED AND F-ED UP THAT THERE IS NO CLEAR CUT CRITERIA ON WHO IS A SALAFI/WAHHABI AND WHO IS NOT. WHAT MAKES ONE A SALAFI. NO CLEAR CUT DOCTRINES. ALL THAT UNITE YOU PEOPLE IS TAKFIRI AND TAKFIRI KILLINGS. EVEN AMONG YOURSELVES. THAT IS WHY YOU SEE THE CONFUSION IS SO MUCH THAT YOU TURN ON YOURSELVES AND PASS TAKFIRI ON ONE ANOTHER. THIS IS EXACTLY WHAT HAPPENED IN SYRIA WHEN AL-NUSRA AND ISIS SPLITS BECAUSE OF TWO TERRORISTS FIGHTING FOR LEADERSHIP OF TERROR. THEY ENDED UP PASSING TAKFIRI ON EACH OTHER AND KILLING THEMSELVES. YET, THEY BOTH RELATE TO THE TEACHINGS OF THE ANCIENT TERRORISTS LIKE IBN TAYMIYYAH AND IBN ABDUL WAHAB, AND THEY UNITE IN THEIR BELIEF OF HATRED FOR SHIA, CHRISTIANS AND EVERYONE WHO DISAGREE WITH THEM. you guys obviously think Salafism/Wahhabism only belongs to your clerics that are loyal to al-Saud. the division amongst you guys is glaring. and this division is centered on a competition on who is more hateful and divisive towards others. Wallahi, this is satanic. in the Quran shaitan is the one described as someone whose aim is to sow enmity among humanity (not only among Muslims); but you sow enmity among Muslims and among yourselves!!!

THIS, FOR ALLAH'S SAKE, IS NOT ISLAM. LOOK AT THE MANIFEST MISGUIDANCE!

lexiconkabir:
When did Qaradawi became salafi? , Shi'as can lie oo, in fact the word "Shi'a" can be replaced by lie, e g..

I "shia-ed" to him when the pressure became much..

Demmzy15:
You're shocked too ba?

The guy thinks he can just "shia" his way about, he thinks we're dummies.

Al Imam Fakhr al Din Al Razi said: "An ant from the valley of ants possess more Intellect than a Rafidhi"

So sad!

keep trying to change the topic and run. you have been presented with a wahhabi cleric who supports suicide bombing contrary to your claim. and now you claim you have not heard of him before, as if you know each and every saudi wahhabi cleric and their views.

the difference between me and you is that i do not describe people and call them names based on what i think or how i see things or based on my own beliefs. i base people's identity based on their own words and how they describe themselves.

here is Qaradawi and his own words and see for yourself if he has not adopted Salafi tendencies AND BELIEFS:

1.) "A Conversation with Sheikh Yusuf Al-Qaradawi"
http://www.ikhwanweb.com/article.php?id=27682

2.) "The top-most contemporary Salafist cleric and the ideological icon of the Ikhwan al-Muslimin (The Muslim Brotherhood) whose fatwas are authoritative for the global Salafi-Wahhabi clergy, is the Qatar-based Islamist jurist Shaikh Yusuf Al Qaradawi. He has also justified the suicide bombing as ‘a defensive tactic’ in his fatwa issued in the 1990s. Much like Zakir Naik, Shaikh Qaradawi has also repeatedly said that he is not the only cleric to justify suicide bombings and that his fatwa was tailored specifically for helpless Palestinians in their fight against the Israeli occupation."
http://www.firstpost.com/world/suicide-bombing-is-haram-in-islam-only-salafist-ideologues-like-zakir-naik-view-it-as-a-war-tactic-2898840.html

3.) "Although al-Qaradawi wrote a book on Imam al-Ghazzali and often quotes his Ihya' as well as clobbers "Salafis" with the Ash`ari School as a whole ("The entire Umma is Ash`ari even if it displeases our 'Salafi' brothers" in his biography of his teacher the contemporary Muhammad al-Ghazali, nevertheless, against all reason, he describes Ash`ari doctrine as "Aristotle's doctrine" and embraces several positions that reek of modern "Salafism" such as calling the donation of the Fatiha to the deceased an innovation (although it is a desirable act according to all Four Schools to donate Qur'an recitation to the dead) and suggesting that the derivation of blessings through persons, sites, or relics (tabarruk) is shirk, although the Companions themselves practiced it in the very presence of the Prophet, upon him blessings and peace!"
http://ahlussunnahwaljamah..com.ng/2008/02/yusuf-al-qaradawi.html

4.) " He informally serves as the main ideologue of the Muslim Brotherhood, for which he is controversial, especially in Egypt, his country of birth. And, though Muslim Salafis and members of the Brotherhood are frequently at odds, al-Qaradawi has been embraced by some Salafis, thus crossing multiple boundaries in Islamic thought."
http://rlp.hds.harvard.edu/faq/yusuf-al-qaradawi-0

so you can add to the list the infamous Nasibi Indian Salafist pseudo-scholar Zakir Naik to the list of Wahhabi AKA Salafi clerics who support suicide bombing. he mentioned in the below video two Saudi Wahhabi "senior" clerics (Safar Awali, Salman Oudah) who support suicide bombing. we now have FOUR in this thread!!!

IS ZAKIR NAIK NOT SALAFI? PLEASE ENLIGHTEN US!!!


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cfdmNJWk4EI


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QwjIlToCu8s


YOU GUYS ARE SO CONFUSED AND F-ED UP THAT THERE IS NO CLEAR CUT CRITERIA ON WHO IS A SALAFI/WAHHABI AND WHO IS NOT. WHAT MAKES ONE A SALAFI. NO CLEAR CUT DOCTRINES. ALL THAT UNITE YOU PEOPLE IS TAKFIRI AND TAKFIRI KILLINGS. EVEN AMONG YOURSELVES. THAT IS WHY YOU SEE THE CONFUSION IS SO MUCH THAT YOU TURN ON YOURSELVES AND PASS TAKFIRI ON ONE ANOTHER. THIS IS EXACTLY WHAT HAPPENED IN SYRIA WHEN AL-NUSRA AND ISIS SPLITS BECAUSE OF TWO TERRORISTS FIGHTING FOR LEADERSHIP OF TERROR. THEY ENDED UP PASSING TAKFIRI ON EACH OTHER AND KILLING THEMSELVES. YET, THEY BOTH RELATE TO THE TEACHINGS OF THE ANCIENT TERRORISTS LIKE IBN TAYMIYYAH AND IBN ABDUL WAHAB, AND THEY UNITE IN THEIR BELIEF OF HATRED FOR SHIA, CHRISTIANS AND EVERYONE WHO DISAGREE WITH THEM. you guys obviously think Salafism/Wahhabism only belongs to your clerics that are loyal to al-Saud. the division amongst you guys is glaring. and this division is centered on a competition on who is more hateful and divisive towards others. Wallahi, this is satanic. in the Quran shaitan is the one described as someone whose aim is to sow enmity among humanity (not only among Muslims); but you sow enmity among Muslims and among yourselves!!!

THIS, FOR ALLAH'S SAKE, IS NOT ISLAM. LOOK AT THE MANIFEST MISGUIDANCE!

lexiconkabir:
When did Qaradawi became salafi? , Shi'as can lie oo, in fact the word "Shi'a" can be replaced by lie, e g..

I "shia-ed" to him when the pressure became much..

Demmzy15:
You're shocked too ba?

The guy thinks he can just "shia" his way about, he thinks we're dummies.

Al Imam Fakhr al Din Al Razi said: "An ant from the valley of ants possess more Intellect than a Rafidhi"

So sad!

keep trying to change the topic and run. you have been presented with a wahhabi cleric who supports suicide bombing contrary to your claim. and now you claim you have not heard of him before, as if you know each and every saudi wahhabi cleric and their views.

the difference between me and you is that i do not describe people and call them names based on what i think or how i see things or based on my own beliefs. i base people's identity based on their own words and how they describe themselves.

here is Qaradawi and his own words and see for yourself if he has not adopted Salafi tendencies AND BELIEFS:

1.) "A Conversation with Sheikh Yusuf Al-Qaradawi"
http://www.ikhwanweb.com/article.php?id=27682

2.) "The top-most contemporary Salafist cleric and the ideological icon of the Ikhwan al-Muslimin (The Muslim Brotherhood) whose fatwas are authoritative for the global Salafi-Wahhabi clergy, is the Qatar-based Islamist jurist Shaikh Yusuf Al Qaradawi. He has also justified the suicide bombing as ‘a defensive tactic’ in his fatwa issued in the 1990s. Much like Zakir Naik, Shaikh Qaradawi has also repeatedly said that he is not the only cleric to justify suicide bombings and that his fatwa was tailored specifically for helpless Palestinians in their fight against the Israeli occupation."
http://www.firstpost.com/world/suicide-bombing-is-haram-in-islam-only-salafist-ideologues-like-zakir-naik-view-it-as-a-war-tactic-2898840.html

3.) "Although al-Qaradawi wrote a book on Imam al-Ghazzali and often quotes his Ihya' as well as clobbers "Salafis" with the Ash`ari School as a whole ("The entire Umma is Ash`ari even if it displeases our 'Salafi' brothers" in his biography of his teacher the contemporary Muhammad al-Ghazali, nevertheless, against all reason, he describes Ash`ari doctrine as "Aristotle's doctrine" and embraces several positions that reek of modern "Salafism" such as calling the donation of the Fatiha to the deceased an innovation (although it is a desirable act according to all Four Schools to donate Qur'an recitation to the dead) and suggesting that the derivation of blessings through persons, sites, or relics (tabarruk) is shirk, although the Companions themselves practiced it in the very presence of the Prophet, upon him blessings and peace!"
http://ahlussunnahwaljamah..com.ng/2008/02/yusuf-al-qaradawi.html

4.) " He informally serves as the main ideologue of the Muslim Brotherhood, for which he is controversial, especially in Egypt, his country of birth. And, though Muslim Salafis and members of the Brotherhood are frequently at odds, al-Qaradawi has been embraced by some Salafis, thus crossing multiple boundaries in Islamic thought."
http://rlp.hds.harvard.edu/faq/yusuf-al-qaradawi-0

so you can add to the list the infamous Nasibi Indian Salafist pseudo-scholar Zakir Naik to the list of Wahhabi AKA Salafi clerics who support suicide bombing. he mentioned in the below video two Saudi Wahhabi "senior" clerics (Safar Awali, Salman Oudah) who support suicide bombing. we now have FOUR in this thread!!!

IS ZAKIR NAIK NOT SALAFI? PLEASE ENLIGHTEN US!!!


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cfdmNJWk4EI


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QwjIlToCu8s


YOU GUYS ARE SO CONFUSED AND F-ED UP THAT THERE IS NO CLEAR CUT CRITERIA ON WHO IS A SALAFI/WAHHABI AND WHO IS NOT. WHAT MAKES ONE A SALAFI. NO CLEAR CUT DOCTRINES. ALL THAT UNITE YOU PEOPLE IS TAKFIRI AND TAKFIRI KILLINGS. EVEN AMONG YOURSELVES. THAT IS WHY YOU SEE THE CONFUSION IS SO MUCH THAT YOU TURN ON YOURSELVES AND PASS TAKFIRI ON ONE ANOTHER. THIS IS EXACTLY WHAT HAPPENED IN SYRIA WHEN AL-NUSRA AND ISIS SPLITS BECAUSE OF TWO TERRORISTS FIGHTING FOR LEADERSHIP OF TERROR. THEY ENDED UP PASSING TAKFIRI ON EACH OTHER AND KILLING THEMSELVES. YET, THEY BOTH RELATE TO THE TEACHINGS OF THE ANCIENT TERRORISTS LIKE IBN TAYMIYYAH AND IBN ABDUL WAHAB, AND THEY UNITE IN THEIR BELIEF OF HATRED FOR SHIA, CHRISTIANS AND EVERYONE WHO DISAGREE WITH THEM. you guys obviously think Salafism/Wahhabism only belongs to your clerics that are loyal to al-Saud. the division amongst you guys is glaring. and this division is centered on a competition on who is more hateful and divisive towards others. Wallahi, this is satanic. in the Quran shaitan is the one described as someone whose aim is to sow enmity among humanity (not only among Muslims); but you sow enmity among Muslims and among yourselves!!!

THIS, FOR ALLAH'S SAKE, IS NOT ISLAM. LOOK AT THE MANIFEST MISGUIDANCE!

Demmzy15:
^^^ShiaMuslim leave me na, don't you have better things to do with your life? Anyways lemme give you a benefit of doubt, I'll present the salafi/Wahabi senior scholars position on suicide bombings and terrorism.

1. Sheikh Muhammad Saleh Ibn Uthaymeen(rah):

Question: What is the ruling regarding acts of jihaad by means of suicide, such as attaching explosives to a car and storming the enemy, whereby he knows without a doubt that he shall die as a result of this action?

Response: Indeed, my opinion is that he is regarded as one who has killed himself (committed suicide), and as a result he shall be punished in Hell, for that which is authenticated on the authority of the Prophet (sal-Allaahu `alayhe wa sallam).

[((Indeed, whoever (intentionally) kills himself, then certainly he will be punished in the Fire of Hell, wherein he shall dwell forever)), [Bukhaaree (5778) and Muslim (109 and 110)]].

However, one who is ignorant and does not know, and assumes his action was good and pleasing to Allaah (Subhaanahu wa Ta'aala), then we hope Allaah (Subhaanahu wa Ta'aala) forgives him for that which he did out of (ignorant) ijtihaad, even though I do not find any excuse for him in the present day. This is because this type of suicide is well known and widespread amongst the people, so it is upon the person to ask the people of knowledge (scholars) regarding it, until the right guidance for him is differentiated from the error.

And from that which is surprising, is that these people kill themselves despite Allaah having fordbidden this, as He (Subhaanahu wa Ta'aala) says:

{And do not kill yourselves. Surely, Allaah is Most Merciful to you}, [Soorah an-Nisaa., Aayah 29].

And many amongst them do not desire anything except revenge of the enemy, by whatever means, be it halaal or haraam. So they only want to satisfy their thirst for revenge.

We ask Allaah to bless us with foresight in His Deen and action(s) which please Him, indeed He is all Powerful over all things.

Shaykh Ibn 'Uthaymeen
Kayfa Nu'aalij Waaqi'unaa al-Aleem - Page 119

2. Shaykh AbdusSallaam as-Suhaymee said:

‘Indeed the issue of speaking about Suicide missions, is that whether the person who is fought against, is he actually from the combatants, and that Jihad in reality is facing the Kuffar in a battle.

Suicide Missions have become a modern day fashion, and many people are sympathetic with the one who carries it out by looking at the goal behind these missions. The sympathetic person finds it sufficient from these missions that the intent of executing these missions is to raise the statement of Tawheed, and to aid Islaam and humble theKuffar as they claim.

However, what is the Sharia’ ruling regarding these Suicide Missions?

[The Ends Do not Justify the Means]

Indeed it is known from the Sharia’ that a good intention on its own is not sufficient to allow an action to be permissible according to the Sharia’. These people, who carry out Suicide Missions, propel themselves by saying that the means to the end take the same rulings of the intended goals, so if the goal is legislated in the Sharia’ then its means are also legislated in the Sharia’. However this is not acceptable, because the ends do not justify the means absolutely, rather it is obligatory that the means also have to be legislated in the Sharia’ to fulfill the goals in the Sharia’. As for, if the means are not legislated in the Sharia’ then it is not sufficient for the goal to be legislated. The principle for this is mentioned in Bukhari and Muslim from the saying of the Messenger–sallAllaahu alayhi wa sallam-: ( من عمل عملا ليس عليه أمرنا فهو رد )

‘Whoever does an action which we have not commanded then it is rejected.’

So every action which is not in accordance with the command of Allaah or His Messenger then it is rejected (Allaah does not accept it) from the one who does it, no matter how good his intention was.

Now that this point has been established, then indeed the well regarded scholars of today hold the view that these acts of suicide are not permissible, and from these scholars are: the respected Shaykh AbdulAzeez bin Baz -Rahimullaah-, and the noble Shaykh Muhammad bin Salih al-Uthaymeen, the respected Shaykh AbdulAzeez bin Abdullaah Alaa-Shaykh, the noble Shaykh Salih bin Fawzan al-Fawzan, and Shaykh AbdulAzeez ar-Rajihi, and Shaykh AbdulMuhsin al-Ubaykan and others.

The Sharia’ proofs from the Book and the Sunnah and the intellect, show that these operations are Haram according to the Sharia’.

From the Book of Allaah:

1- The saying of Allaah Ta’ala:

<< إِنْ يَمْسَسْكُمْ قَرْحٌ فَقَدْ مَسَّ الْقَوْمَ قَرْحٌ مِثْلُهُ وَتِلْكَ الْأَيَّامُ نُدَاوِلُهَا بَيْنَ النَّاسِ وَلِيَعْلَمَ اللَّهُ الَّذِينَ آمَنُوا وَيَتَّخِذَ مِنْكُمْ شُهَدَاءَ وَاللَّهُ لَا يُحِبُّ الظَّالِمِينَ >>

<< If a wound (and killing) has touched you, be sure a similar wound (and killing) has touched the others. And so are the days (good and not so good), We give to men by turns, that Allaah may test those who believe, and that He may take martyrs from among you. And Allaah likes not the Zâlimûn (polytheists and wrong­doers).>>[Ala-Imraan: 140]

The proof being: that this Ayaah contains the evidence for a principle, which is, that seeking martyrdom in the path of Allaah is a selection made by Allaah and the choice of Allaah Subhanahu, and it is not for everyone who wants to be a martyr. The view that it is permissible to carry out suicide missions to kill the enemy nullifies this principle. The proof for this point in this Ayaah is the saying of Allaah Subhanahu: << آمَنُوا وَيَتَّخِذَ مِنْكُمْ شُهَدَاءَ >> <<and that He may take martyrs from among you>>

So Allaah is the One who chooses who is martyred in His Way. As for the one who commits suicide to kill the enemy then he is not a martyr, because he himself has appointed the time in which to die, and this in the Sharia’ is defined as suicide.

2- The saying of Allaah Ta’ala:

اتِلُونَ فِي سَبِيلِ اللَّهِ فَيَقْتُلُونَ وَيُقْتَلُونَ >>

<<Verily, Allaah has purchased of the believers their lives and their properties; for the price that theirs shall be Paradise. They fight in Allaah’s Cause, so they kill (others) and are killed. >> [Tawbah:111]

3- The saying of Allaah Ta’ala:

<< وَمَنْ يُقَاتِلْ فِي سَبِيلِ اللَّهِ فَيُقْتَلْ أَوْ يَغْلِبْ فَسَوْفَ نُؤْتِيهِ أَجْرًا عَظِيمًا >><<and whoso fights in the Cause of Allaah, and is killed or gets victory, We shall bestow on him a great reward.>> [Nisa:74]

The proof being from these two Ayaat: that the one who kills himself with explosives or in other ways wanting to kill the enemy then it is not correct to label him as a martyr;because the martyr is the one who is killed by the enemy. In the first Ayaahthose that have been promised Paradise are two types:

The combatant and the one killed by the enemy. And in the second Ayaah: the one promised with great reward is the one who is killed by the enemy or the one who is victorious, however whoever kills himself with explosives does not enter under the meaning of these two Ayaat.

4- The saying of Allaah Ta’ala:

<< وَلَا تَقْتُلُوا أَنْفُسَكُمْ إِنَّ اللَّهَ كَانَ بِكُمْ رَحِيمًا () وَمَنْ يَفْعَلْ ذَلِكَ عُدْوَانًا وَظُلْمًا فَسَوْفَ نُصْلِيهِ نَارًا وَكَانَ ذَلِكَ عَلَى اللَّهِ يَسِيرًا >>

<<And do not kill yourselves (nor kill one another). Surely, Allaah is Most Merciful to you. And whoever commits that through aggression and injustice, We shall cast him into the Fire, and that is easy for Allaah.>> [Nisa:29-30]

The proof being: This Ayaah generally includes a person committing suicide, and these type of suicide operations include killing the innocent, from women, old people and children, and there is no doubt that this is from transgression and oppression, and the one who carries out a suicide mission is deserving of this severe warning and it applies to him.

From the Sunnah:

1- From Abu Huraira –radiAllaah anhu- who said: That the Messenger of Allaah –sallAllaahu alayhi wa sallam– said:

من قتل نفسه بحديدة فحديدته في يده يتوجأ بها في بطنه في نار جهنم خالدا مخلدا فيها أبدا و من شرب سما فقتل نفسه فهو يتحساه في نار جهنم خالدا مخلدا فيها أبدا و من تردى من جبل فقتل نفسه فهو يتردى في نار جهنم خالدا مخلدا فيها أبدا

‘Whoever kills himself with an iron weapon, will be carrying that weapon in his hand and stabbing his abdomen with it in the (Hell) Fire wherein he will abide eternally forever. and whoever drinks poison and kills himself with it, he will be carrying his poison in his hand and drinking it in the (Hell) Fire wherein he will abide eternally forever. and whoever jumps off a mountain and kills himself, he will be jumping off into the (Hell) Fire wherein he will abide eternally forever.’

[Collected by Bukhari & Muslim]

2- From Thaabit bin Dhihak that the Messenger of Allaah –sallAllaahu alayhi wa sallam–said:

من قتل نفسه بشيء عذب به يوم القيامة

‘Whoever kills himself with something then he will be punished with that thing on the day of Judgement.’

[Collected by Bukhari & Muslim]

3- From Abu Huraira –radiAllaah anhu- who said: That the Prophet –sallAllaahu alayhi wa sallam– said:

الذي يخنق نفسه يخنقها في النار و الذي يطعنها يطعنها في النار

‘Whoever strangles himself then he will strangle himself in the Hell-Fire, and whoever stabs himself then he will stab himself in the Hell-Fire.’

[Collected by Bukhari]

The proof being from these Ahadeeth:

That these Ahadeeth generally show that it is prohibited for a person to kill himself no matter what the reasons are, and this includes everyone that kills himself with whichever means used.

From the Intellect:

1- That these operations indeed bring a backlash with a greater evil consequence upon Islaam and the Muslims, whether that is in Palestine or in any other place. These operations in reality show contempt and scorn of the blood of the Muslims, and sacrifices for these operations are with no benefit worth mentioning.

2- That these operations actually fulfill the aims of the enemies of Islaam in an indirect way, by giving the enemies of Islaam the excuse by which they have fulfilled their aims in the easiest way, along with the clear weakness of the Muslims in defending themselves.

3- That these suicide missions which are aimed at other than those who are combatants from women, children and old people are a deterrent against the Deen of Allaah, because of the oppression of these suicide missions and their harshness, cheating, treachery, lying and all of these are contradictory to the Sharia’ of Islaam, all of them are contradictory and the explanation of that is from the following points:

First point: that the Deen of Islaam is the Deen of justice even in dealing with the enemy, so their oppression against the Muslims does not in turn justify oppressing them.

Allaah Ta’ala said:

<< وَلَا يَجْرِمَنَّكُمْ شَنَآنُ قَوْمٍ أَنْ صَدُّوكُمْ عَنِ الْمَسْجِدِ الْحَرَامِ أَنْ تَعْتَدُوا وَتَعَاوَنُوا عَلَى الْبِرِّ وَالتَّقْوَى وَلَا تَعَاوَنُوا عَلَى الْإِثْمِ وَالْعُدْوَانِ وَاتَّقُوا اللَّهَ إِنَّ اللَّهَ شَدِيدُ الْعِقَابِ >>

<< and let not the hatred of some people in (once) stopping you from Al-­Masjid­ al-­Haraam (in Makkah) lead you to transgression (and hostility on your part). Help one another in Al-­Birr and At-­Taqwa (virtue, righteousness and piety); but do not help one another in sin and transgression. And fear Allaah. Verily, Allaah is Severe in punishment.>> [Maidah:2]

Allaah Ta’ala said:

<< يَا أَيُّهَا الَّذِينَ آمَنُوا كُونُوا قَوَّامِينَ لِلَّهِ شُهَدَاءَ بِالْقِسْطِ وَلَا يَجْرِمَنَّكُمْ شَنَآنُ قَوْمٍ عَلَى أَلَّا تَعْدِلُوا اعْدِلُوا هُوَ أَقْرَبُ لِلتَّقْوَى وَاتَّقُوا اللَّهَ إِنَّ اللَّهَ خَبِيرٌ بِمَا تَعْمَلُونَ >>

<<O you who believe! Stand out firmly for Allaah and be just witnesses and let not the enmity and hatred of others make you avoid justice. Be just: that is nearer to piety, and fear Allaah. Verily, Allaah is Well­Acquainted with what you do.>> [Maidah:8]

It is mentioned in the Hadeeth Qudsi that Allaah Subhanahu wa Ta’ala said:

‘O My worshippers, I have forbidden oppression for Myself and have made it forbidden amongst you, so do not oppress one another.’ [Collected by Muslim.]

There is no doubt that aiming for innocent people and killing them due to the crime of someone else is from the severest of Dhulm (oppression).

Second point: that the Deen of Islaam is the Deen of mercy and doing goodness, and this is not just to human beings alone, but even to animals, and these suicide missions are in contradiction to mercy.

Third point: That the Deen of Islaam is a Deen of courage and sacrifice, and it is not courage to hide behind treachery and deception. Indeed Allaah ordered us at the inception of fighting a people, between whom we have a contract with or at the time we fear from them an action, Allaah ordered us to give them an announcement of war before launching war against them. Allaah – Subhanahu – said: << وَإِمَّا تَخَافَنَّ مِنْ قَوْمٍ خِيَانَةً فَانْبِذْ إِلَيْهِمْ عَلَى سَوَاءٍ إِنَّ اللَّهَ لَا يُحِبُّ الْخَائِنِينَ >>

<<If you fear treachery from any people throw back (their covenant) to them (so as to be) on equal terms (that there will be no more covenant between you and them). Certainly Allaah likes not the treacherous.>> [Anfal:58]

Allaah obligated upon us that even in war with them that we do not kill except those who fight us from amongst their men. And these people who carryout suicide missions commit a great crime against Islaam and the Muslims, so they ascribed Islaam to oppression, treachery and cheating. Islaam is not aided with oppression nor with cheating.

What becomes clear from what has preceded, from the clear, authentic evidence that suicide operations are not allowed, which some have entitled: ‘martyr missions’ and that those who hold it to be permissible do not have any clear authentic proof what so ever, and what they use as proof for its permissibility is either a proof which is not authentic or it does not indicate to what they claim, and no one rejects this point except an ignorant person or someone who follows his desires.

And Allaah Knows Best.

[Taken From: ‘Jihad fee Islaam’ by Shaykh AbdusSallaam as-Suhaymee p.112 ]

All Praise belongs to Allaah, may His peace and blessings be upon our final Prophet Muhammad, his family, his Companions and all those who follow his guidance.

i will not leave you at all because you people lie and deceive. the above has nothing to do with my question. talk about the man in the video.

so now it is no longer a blanket claim that Wahhabi/Salafist clerics oppose "suicide bombing". there is now an adjective. it is "senior" ones that oppose. how do you know the one in video is a "junior" one? Qaradawi is the topmost Salafist cleric and he supported it and only backed out due to Turkish pressure with an after thought fatwa claiming the Palestinians no longer need the tactic because they NOW have enough weapons to fight occupation and defend themselves. in other words, his fatwas are conditional.

please do not abuse the words of the Prophet (s). do not use hadiths to back up fatwas of your clerics. the hadiths are about individual suicide, and not combat related.

YAHWEH/JEHOVAH/EHOBA etc. are formed from the Tetragrammaton YHWH.

the Tetragrammaton is not found anywhere in the New testament. NOT ONCE!!! so what name did Jesus call God Almighty? "Elah"! similar to Al-lah.

there is nothing wrong with the name or word or phrase: Jehovah or Yahweh. but the problem is that Jews say the Tetragrammaton is not to be pronounced. they do not articulate it. and it may not be a word after all but a phrase. "Ya Hu Wa"= "He is".

in the Quran we find "Qul Hu Wa-l La Hu"= "Say He is Allah". "Qul"="Say". Huwa=He is.

"Ya" is said to be an exclamation in the Semitic languages of Arabic, Hebrew and Aramaic.

the Jehovah's witnesses have formed a religion based on four letters that are not to be articulated and not found in the new testament. yet, they insist that His name is "Jehovah" which has many renditions in many languages of the nationalities the JWs belong to. in Japanese, the rendition is "EHOBA". how can "EHOBA" be justified to be a rendition of YHWH? they have created something from no where; not related to the root. so Japanese Jehovah's witnesses would be calling on someone whose invented name is Ehoba!!!! i do not know how Y=E and how W=B!!!

Demmzy15:

son, what do you think of the below:

ShiaMuslim:
Saudi Wahhabi cleric, Sheikh Saleh al-Tarifi defending "suicide bombing"/"martyrdom operations" on TV


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TWydRo9rDp4

Demmzy/BetaThing, can lie!!! You can deceive!!! Look at your terror mentors below.

ShiaMuslim:
Saudi Wahhabi cleric, Sheikh Saleh al-Tarifi defending "suicide bombing"/"martyrdom operations" on TV


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TWydRo9rDp4

ShiaMuslim:
Saudi cleric: ISIS believe in what we do (Video)

By Paul Antonopoulos - 28/01/20160

A former imam at Mecca's Grand Mosque has said that ISIS executions of western hostages were 'not outside Salafist framework' in which Saudi Arabia also follows.
The cleric, Sheikh al-Kalbani states that:"We follow the same thought [as IS] but apply it in a refined way. They draw their ideas from what is written in our own books, from our own principles."

The cleric said that “we do not criticise the thought on which it (IS) is based".

The footage of the Sheikh speaking with Dubai-based channel MBC was translated by British think tank Integrity UK.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GWORE6OBfhc

The Sheikh has previously been refused entry into the UK, allegedly for calling Shi'ite Muslim apostates, although no official reason was given.

The radical cleric also justified the killing of journalists by ISIS as it was well within the right of the Salafist framework.

"Their blood was shed according to Salafist fatwas (religious edicts) not outside the Salafist framework," he said.

https://mobile.almasdarnews.com/article/saudi-cleric-isis-believe-in-what-we-do/

ShiaMuslim:
Note: the above cleric, Kalbani, prouds himself as the "first black imam (congregational leader) " in Makkah appointed by the Saudi government. He is an employee of the Saudi monarchy. A pro-Saudi cleric paid by the Saudi government and he is telling Demmzy that ISIS belongs to your Wahhabi/Salafist aqeedah (doctrines) and he is justifying their faith based (takfiri) killings. Hope you see how ugly your ideology/cult of bloodsucking and death is and how far away it is from the mercy, peace and love in Islam preached by Prophet Muhammad (s). Hope you now realize why we choose to be Shia Muslims than to be (Sunni) Wahhabi.

He (Kalbani) is not an anti-establishment cleric in Wahhabi Saudi Arabia as Yasser al-Habib (a Shia scholar) is to Shia Iran.

Saudi Wahhabi cleric, Sheikh Abdul-Aziz al-Tarifi defending "suicide bombing"/"martyrdom operations" on TV


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TWydRo9rDp4

Brother Zhulfiqar, good efforts to compile these reports into one thread. Good idea.

BetaThing aka Demmzy, how market?

Saudi cleric: ISIS believe in what we do (Video)

By Paul Antonopoulos - 28/01/20160

A former imam at Mecca's Grand Mosque has said that ISIS executions of western hostages were 'not outside Salafist framework' in which Saudi Arabia also follows.
The cleric, Sheikh al-Kalbani states that:"We follow the same thought [as IS] but apply it in a refined way. They draw their ideas from what is written in our own books, from our own principles."

The cleric said that “we do not criticise the thought on which it (IS) is based".

The footage of the Sheikh speaking with Dubai-based channel MBC was translated by British think tank Integrity UK.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GWORE6OBfhc

The Sheikh has previously been refused entry into the UK, allegedly for calling Shi'ite Muslim apostates, although no official reason was given.

The radical cleric also justified the killing of journalists by ISIS as it was well within the right of the Salafist framework.

"Their blood was shed according to Salafist fatwas (religious edicts) not outside the Salafist framework," he said.

https://mobile.almasdarnews.com/article/saudi-cleric-isis-believe-in-what-we-do/

Demmzy15:
Nevertheless, I asked for the name of the group. A group is more than one, so therefore you don't need to say "group". So Mr. ShiaMuslim, if they don't have a name, can you provide a credible/prominent scholar from amongst them!

"A group is more than one"... You must have been drunk with camel p i s s from Saudi Arabia while typing that.

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Demmzy15:
Look here Mr. Man, I'm not in the mood for long arguments, when one looks at it, it's the same thing you've been repeating every single I encounter you. From beginning to end is just your normal Shia persecution rubbish, Matam, tatbir, kaza kaza kaza

I asked for the name of the group, you say it's "groups". Please my Arabic is weak, I'm still learning but can you provide the name of the group or better still a prominent head of that group!

it says "majmoo'ah". that is literally translated as "groups" or what can be rightly translated as "body of salafiyyah" in jordan. it is not my problem and not my job to be your translator. you should ask Yasser al-Habib to substantiate his claim that you are parroting like a fool.

i am not even arguing with you. do we even sound like on the same level of intelligence? you dont know your mate. silly.

Demmzy15:
Wallahi I'm always intrigued and amazed at your stupidity. You really think we're dummies right? So now Yasser Al Habib is now a terrorist/extremist because he exposes Iran but when you want to prove issue about the Aqeedah of Shias, you quote him, by then he suddenly becomes a Saint?!

what is amazing here is not simply that you are very stupid and extremely stupid, it is the fact that you are content in choosing stupidity as a way and defending it.

did i say al-Habib is a "terrorist"? i said he is an extremist. you ended up adding a slash and the word "terrorist".

he is an extremist not because of his aqeedah. but because of his manhaj (methodology). do you see Shia or any Shia scholar (aside from him and those within his own manhaj) who openly insult Sunni figures of ancient like Umar, Muawiyah, Aisha, Abu Bakr, etc.? check his youtube videos on Aisha and Umar. the Shia do not do it openly. they always try to be diplomatic in passing the message. his hatred for the Iranian government, for whatever reason, is another problem that he has and does not hide.

if you are forcing me to accept his claim on Iran because i quote him on purely religious subjects, then by the same token, you must accept his religious views and lectures since he has become a political saint to you!!! so do you think we are dummies here? you have no point at all.

You quoted different sources claiming suicide bombers are Saudis, that's not my problem. But the fact remains that all scholars of Ahl Sunnah aka salafiyyah aka wahabiyyah speak and forbid suicide bombings while you Shias as you've clearly done before support them and make excuses for them. Please don't come barking and beating your hairy chest here, your posts speak for itself.

your stupidities speak for themselves. i will repeat again, whether by suicide bombing or using a kitchen knife, what is forbidden in Islam is killing innocent soul. and whether by using a kitchen knife, suicide bombing or a matchstick, self defense is not forbidden in Islam. and if an oppressed people, who have no means to defend themselves, and as a last resort use what you call "suicide bombing", as your Sunni brothers do in Palestine, that is not forbidden Islamically. you are speaking in the name of Ahlus Sunnah (Sunnis) as if the Palestinians are not majority Sunnis, and as if their scholars who permit the act against occupation are not Sunni scholars. recently, they released a statemennt rejecting fatwa opposed to "martyrdom operations" or what you call "suicide bombing". are those not Sunnis? whatever means you use to "defend" yourself, in Islam what is forbidden is killing innocent people like your takfiri wahhabi brothers do. they blow up civilians of other faith. that is haram. whether they blow themselves up or use broomstick, killing innocent people indiscriminately based on their faith (takfiri killing) is forbidden. using whatever means against combatants oppressing a population of weak people is not forbidden. in saudi arabia, the wahhabi clerics loyal to the monarchy see wahhabi militants as "misguided terrorists" and a big threat to the al-saud rule; but while those wahhabi terrorists operate in syria and iraq, killing Shias and Christians, they are regarded as heroic "rebels". similarly, the motive for prohibiting "suicide attacks" is because these wahhabi monsters use it to target innocent civilians and the clerics loyal to the monarchy are scared that elements among the wahhabis opposed to the monarchy can used this tactic to fight their government. that is exactly the reason you see ISIS wahhabi terrorists who glorify both ibn taymiyyah and ibn abdul wahab (the foudners of wahhabism/salafism) use the tactic in targeting innocent people in faith based killings aka takfiri killings in iraq and syria. the prohibition by the saudi clerics is not based on humane consideration at all. you can see that clearly when the criminals target civilians in other countries, esp. iraq, in takfiri killings using suicide. the saudi clerics and govt. are ambivalent or silent. what they regard as "terrorism" (even atheism to them is classified as terrorism) in saudi is not "terrorism" in other countries to them. no condemnation ever on the many attacks in iraq, even carried by saudis targeting shias and christians and yazidis. so your wahhabi brothers do not all regard the views of the saudi clerics loyal to the monarchy as binding. that is within wahhabism itself there is division. talk less of within the whole of sunnism. another example below. so i hope you will stop falsely accusing me of what i do not support. you cannot say i support the act when it is targeting innocent civilians. that is a LIE. what i support is using whatever means by an oppressed population to defend against combatants, not against non-combatants. that is the position of Islam: self-defense. stop lying or being purposefully and consciously stupid because Allah will still punish you for it. and may He punish you for every lie you consciously and deliberately utter or type. may He cut off those fingers that type the deliberate and conscious LIES.

"Hamas leaders reject fatwa forbidding suicide attacks" :
http://www.al-monitor.com/pulse/originals/2016/12/palestinian-fatwa-suicide-operations-israel.html

As for question above, Yasser Al Habib gave us an answer, please endeavor to watch the video.

Please what's the name of the Jordan Salafi Group and who heads it, lemme burst your bubble!

the translation or the english on that iraqi news site is poor. apparently. the phrase "jordanian salafist groups" is a literal translation of the arabic equivalent. here is the arabic report from another news source, if you understand arabic:
http://alhurrya.com/archives/22473

Demmzy15:
^^The article clearly said it's a suicide bomber and I don't support suicide bombers, you're the one making excuses for them.

As I always say, Yasser Al Habib claimed Iran sends Al Qaeda/ISIS bombers to bomb Shia cities so as to take away Iran from the spotlight.

No be talk am, but your brother!

after reading the above reports, you can now search the internet. find one report where an Iranian "suicide bomber" was arrested in Iraq or in any foreign country. to fart "news" and unfounded allegations is very easy. to back them up, instead of attributing them to hearsay from another individual, is very hard.

Jordanian Salafi groups accuse Saudi Arabia, Qatar of sending suicide bombers Iraq, Syria

by Ahmed Hussein
Oct 5, 2012, 11:25 am

Baghdad (IraqiNews.com) The Jordanian Salafi groups accused the Saudi Arabia and Qatar of sending gunmen and suicide bombers to Iraq and Syria.

Salafi source stated in a press release that “Those who infiltrated into Iraq and Syria are elements related to the Wahhabi sect and they are supported by both Saudi Arabia and Qatar despite the differences between these two countries concerning many issues.”

“The Salafi movement in Jordan does not adopt the armed activities to bring about changes in the countries as it is evident during the peaceful demonstrations launched in Jordan,” the source added.

Earlier, the former Jordanian Minister, Salih al-Qalab, admitted his participation in sending many suicide bombers into Iraq.

http://www.iraqinews.com/baghdad-politics/jordanian-salafi-groups-accuse-saudi-arabia-qatar-of-sending-suicide-bombers-iraq-syria/