Demmzy15:
No doubt you're the lunatic here, just take a look at your post. Starting a new paragraph with small letters, olodo parakun!!!

wel done teesha

Rashduct4luv:
Sometimes i wonder what is really ''Wahabi'', if it truly has any meaning! Even the so called military, Buhari and the Presidency would most certainly not know what the term means! But one thing is certain from this thread. Wahabi-Phobia Exist! I just saw a wahabophobic Shia up there. Even if you start stooling now now, na wahabi.

of course people devoid of the reality will never know what "Wahhabi" is- the cult founded on the teachings of Ibn Taymiyyah and Ibn Abdul-Wahab.

all the suicide bombings around the world, all the terror and sectarian attacks and all the atrocities and death are not enough to bring you out of your shell and to see the reality.

perhaps, what you expect is for Shia to point finger and accuse all Sunnis as responsible for the Shia Genocide around the world that Wahhabi terror groups are perpetrating. and that will mean to surrender the "Sunni" label to Wahhabis, like the Western world and non-Muslims have surrendered the Islamic/Muslim label to Wahhabis by holding all Muslims responsible whenever a Wahhabi lunatic commits terror. we Shia are not that ignorant of the facts. Wahhabi terror groups like boko haram, ISIS, and alqaeda also target Sunnis who reject Wahhabi hate teachings and ideology. many moderate Sunnis, particularly, Sunni Sufis are victims of Wahhabi terror attacks.

so while you keep feigning ignorance, the world is waking up to the reality and seeing it for what it is. there is no Wahhabi-phobia. there is Wahhabi terror and hate preaching. they are both real.

If you truly need your life, crossing the path of NA is a suicide mission. Islam condemned suicide.

Obviously I condemn the extra judicial killing but its something IMN can avoided had it been they learnt from the past.

i think you are speaking from both sides of your mouth, paying close attention to the above two quotes from your post.

Though your intention is clear and that is one have to choose between right and wrong (notice this is not about truth and falsehood).

i can never justify or downplay killing even a single soul, whether muslim or not, talk less of hundreds.

all the beating around the bush is not because the IMN has committed an act of treason or a big or criminal offense. it is because those who are meant to protect them are believed to be ruthless or seen as such, going by your post, and therefore you apportioned the blame.

yes, the IMN can avoid but they didnt and that does not mean they have committed a crime by choosing to showcase their faith and go on religious processions like many other faiths and religious groups in Nigeria and across the world do. can that act of displaying one's faith absolve those who took arms to shoot at them? it does not. therefore, the right is clear from wrong.

and let me tell you what i think. if the IMN does not go on the streets to embark on religious processions, and openly showcase their faith, and they simply contain themselves in their mosques, husseiniyyah, and religious centers, the wahhabi extremists, their sympathizers and their tools will still find fault in them to attack them. they feel their have a divine mandate to eliminate all those they see as "heretics, apostates, idolaters" as per their skewed wahhabi ideological mess. there are Nigerians whose lives are not safe because they are Shia. and there are hundreds of millions of Shia Muslims across the world. and Shias are not going to cease to exist in Nigeria or anywhere in the world. therefore, those who are instigating sectarian strife are the "evil side". this is what the government should see.

if inter-religious strife is spoken against, then sectarian strife or inter-muslim strife must also be condemned and the hand that kindles that fire should be stopped. today, the IMN have chosen peace and peaceful protest and peaceful means. Imagine if these killings of Shias were to take place in the Middle East, like in Iraq, Yemen, Lebanon or Iran, where Shias are majority and powerful. the Shia wont just sit back and watch. they will react. so it does not have to reach to that stage whereby till the Shia in Nigeria multiply in numbers and power before the government can be seen as fair in treating all Nigerians equally, regardless of faith or ideology. treating minorities fairly is important to the health of any democracy. the government has to realize that Sunni Wahhabi extremists are always trying to pull the strings to target other Muslims, in particular Shia Muslims, and Sunni Sufis. the wahhabis cant contain themselves to preaching or simply competing peacefully through their ideology and proofs from religious texts. they must use force to harm others, either by taking the law into their hands, as they do in sectarian attacks in pakistan and elsewhere, or by using the state apparatuses to their satanic and devilish favor to oppress other citizens. they think we are still in the stone age where might is right. building a country of fairness and unity based on the citizenry cannot have one ideological group exercising force and oppression against other citizens.

you need to realize the main cause and root why the IMN are attacked today. it is because they are Shia. if they were catholics or wahhabis and they block road, they wont be attacked. in fact, the police will guard their processions and permit them. yes, they have their faults. but let us not be distracted by the fact that there is a root cause and there is a main culprit in all of these killings. take note that since the wahhabis find themselves influential, and to many Nigerians wahhabi saudi arabia is (wrongly) seen as "the only image/representative of Islam" , they are using official means to oppress others. when the state becomes fair and even handed and just, these wahhabi elements will resort to taking the law into their hands and start using suicide attacks or weapons against other Muslims. the state/government in pakistan is all-embracing and contains all pakistanis, Shia or Sunni. pakistan's founder and first president was Shia. so the government cannot openly discriminate against its large Shia minority. so the wahhabi extremists launch terror attacks on Shia mosques and Sunni Sufi shrines. the main threat to peace and stability in any country is the presence of the intolerant, hostile and extremist wahhabi cult left unchecked and with a loud voice and influence to harm other citizens. wahhabism is anti-humanity. once the wahhabi cult can be curtailed, checked, handcuffed, then peace will rain. they will neither dictate to government nor can they act unilaterally to disturb peace and harm other citizens.

AlBaqir:



# You see that hypocrite, OP. Tribalisticallly speaking, he and his IMN group supported and campaigned for Buhari to be President. They were even on top of the world when Buhari went to Iran during OPEC summit, and met with Ayatullah Khameini (may Allah preserve him).


# Things suddenly changed when some miscreants among the IMN tried to slug it out with the Nigerian Army. A suicide mission any sensible group or individual will not even dare. Unfortunately, 100s of life were lost, properties destroyed, IMN leader apprehended and the rest is history. Ever since this incidence, Buhari and el-Rufai have been IMN's targets as you've seen with the OP.


# IMN tried to paint the whole scenario as Nigerian Shia vs Federal Government, hence, you hear "sympathetic" news like "Nigerian Government is killing Nigerian Shia in a genocide mission".


# What the IMN will never revealed or what many uninformed individuals don't know is that within the Northern part of Nigeria (not to mention other parts of Nigeria), there are several other Shia groups different from IMN who have never picked up fight against either their state Government or Federal government. And they do not have any loyalty with IMN or its Sheik.


# Then, they will never tell you that IMN (Islamic Movement of Nigeria) lead by Sheik Ibrahim Zakyzaky is not a movement for Shia Muslims only rather Sunni, Sufi, Christians, who are Hausa, Yoruba and Ibo make up the group.

# I am neither a Buhari nor IMN fan but going all around like nuisance OP and cursing with fake identity and hidden agenda should be condemned.

# I wish both Buhari and Zakyzaky quick recovery. And I pray for the departed souls, and may Allah grants those who lost their loved ones during the fight succour.

brother, please take it easy. you are sounding like "those people" who praise both Imam Ali (as) and Muawiya, and both Imam Hussain (as) and Yazeed.

i am Shia and i accept the fact that the IMN does not represent or speak for all Shia Muslims in Nigeria. i am not a member of the IMN and i do not consider myself a follower of the IMN or its Sheikh. however, the IMN is the largest Shia group. we cant deny that.

however, let us call a spade a spade. i supported Buhari during the election and i even celebrated his win, believing that he is a fellow Muslim, and going by the fact that Jonathan was a lapdog to Israel, and the Ramdan July 2014 shootings in Zaria that targeted a Quds Day procession killing 34 people and 3 biological sons of Zakzaky. Jonathan then apologized.

when the Zaria Massacre happened, i have no doubt that the unruly elements of the IMN fell into the trap of the security forces. but come to think of it, it has been the plan all along of extremist Nigerian Wahhabi elements in northern Nigeria to cause mayhem and sectarian bloodshed in the north. they found Buhari and El-Rufai willing tools. when Buhari was elected, a wahhabi lecturer in Kano wrote an open letter to Buhari about the so called "threat" of the Shia in Nigeria.

when these extremist wahhabi nut-heads oppose the IMN, they do so because of their sectarian hatred and extremism being that wahhabism opposes everything and everyone not wahhabi like them. wahhabis are anti-humanity. they have problem with every religion and every ideoloy, even Muslim ones. they even oppose themselves and declare themselves who is more or less wahhabi and fight among themselves. this wahhabi ideology is the mother of boko haram, ISIS, alqaeda and every terrorist group on earth that is abusing the image of Islam to wreck havoc.

so as wrong as some of the IMN members are, i do not think the Zaria Massacre was justified. killing hundreds is not justified at all for whatsoever reason. those were after all civilians who were killed in cold blood. and what annoyed me is the comments of the president in his media chat in December, 2015 where he can be understood to implicitly and tacitly justifying the massacre.

blocking road or hitting the chests of generals do not justify killing hundreds and burning houses and demolishing a place of worship. after clearing those blocking the road, other IMN members who knew nothing about all of this were also attacked in other locations. these are criminal acts under the government of Buhari and they must be opposed by sane and fair minded people. the president has a responsibility to make it clear that there is no sectarian onslaught or war on the Shia, or on any Nigerian for his faith, especially that IMN is/was seen as simply the image of Nigerian Shias. many call them with the blanket title "Shiite/Shia"; not knowing that not all Shia belong to the organization or group called IMN.

many dont know that other Shia groups quietly exist. that is the reason i compared your comment and likened it to "those" who pray for both the killer and his victims vis a vis the Imams and their enemies. it is not to say Zakzaky can be likened to an infallible imam or he is a saint. far from it because he could have brought his unruly followers into better understanding and control and organization. understanding and control because "processions" are not an obligatory act in Shia Islam. Taqiyyah is a resort in an hostile and ungodly environment where wahhabism thrives to inflict pain and wreck havoc, divide the Muslim ummah and distort the image of Islam and Muslims generally. but then again, these Zakzaky followers would tell you it is their constitutional right to associate and protest. so what do we say as fair minded people? there are people who dont want to spare themselves pain, and there are people who dont mind abusing the rights of others and inflicting pain. but to say it is not wrong to kill innocent people, it is wrong. there can be no justification for that, no matter how mad and stupid and blind the Zakzaky followers are, especially the unruly ones. but what of the educated ones and the good people of society like lecturers and graduates who were killed as a result? do we also blame them?

please try to have a rethink on this your opinion, and seek tawbah. you have to seek tawbah because there is no justification in Islam, i am not even talking of the law at large, for killing innocent souls whether for blocking roads or processions. the soul is sacred in Islam. until those who kill innocent people for procession or professing their faith are served justice, i cannot absolve or pray for the president. he is the leader, and we know the responsibilities of a leader in Islam. he is a Muslim. even if he did not order for the killings, the responsibility falls on him. then imagine if he actually did order for the massacre or approved it or justifies it? i will start loving him again and praying for him, when he executes justice. an Islamic/Muslim leader is a just leader and a person of justice even towards non-Muslims. until then, i am not happy with him. and mind you, these people only embark on procession to profess and propagate their faith. not to challenge authorities, and not to confront the government. they are not secessionists. they are proudly Nigerians.

AlBaqir:



# On this issue, this is not an appropriate thread. It has been discussed to the fullest here:
www.nairaland.com/3351465/shiite-safavids-desecration-grave-imam

# Please for the last time on this thread, you and ShiaMuslim should either stick to the topic as submitted by the OP or you take your scores to general thread. You obviously cannot do without first grade abuse.

Brother, I was not addressing him. I was addressing and inviting someone who's willing to listen and research. Not someone who's entire life rest on being a victim of distorted history and following well in that legacy to distort modern history while we are still alive.

tintingz:
Lol, do I look like someone who has the time fighting over some ancient Arabian story books and events?

I'm not falling for anything, I just came here to get some details.

Brother, I am very glad by your approach. The first step to know the truth is by identifying falsehood. The first word of the shahada is "No" (La). When you exclude every falsity, then you can easily identify veracity.

What we are discussing isn't Arabian story at all. Mind you, the number one Shia country in the world today in terms of population is Iran. And it isn't Arabian, and it is not ethnically not culturally Arab. Iranians are not Arabs. In fact, many Iranians have a distaste for the "barbaric Arabs", as they see them.

The first point of divorce that set the Persians and Arabians apart is racism. This racism is rife to this day among Sunni Arabs. The superiority complex of Arabians that Jahiliyyah showcased and Islam negated. If you read the conquest of Persia on al-Islam.org you will understand the genesis of how Persians eventually became Shia. You can't practice Islam and still claim superiority as an Arabian over non Arabian Muslims. That was how Umar discriminated against the Persians that made the Persians fall in love with how Imam Ali (as) later treated them with equality and justice. Even when Persia was administratively Sunni before Shah Ismail who changed government outlook into Shia, Shia Islam was already everywhere like wildfire in Persia. Persia was already mature socially for that change.

What is happening now is contention between true Islam and the Arabian Jahiliyyah culture disguised as Sunni Islam. Here I am not sugar coating and I am not talking about Wahhabis (as it is the case in pinpointing Wahhabis for modern day terrorism and excluding the generality of Sunnis from the finger of accusation).

From the massacre of Banu Yerbo by Abu Bakr, to the attack on the house of Lady Fatima (as), daughter of the messenger of God by Umar, to the seizure of the land of Fadak, to poisoning Imam Hassan (as) engineered by Muawiya-the man who called them Ahlul Sunnah wal jamaah- to the Tragedy of Karbala, you can see true Islam in confronting of the remnants of Jahiliyyah camouflaged as Sunni Islam. Banu Umayyah wore the cloak of Islam to continue and revive the nefarious culture and practices of Jahiliyyah which the Prophet (s) had invalidated and put a stop to. These banu Umayyah, starting with usthman and Muawiya are the heroes of those who call us Shia names and castigate us for our Muslim beliefs.

I want to invite to the path of true Islam, the Muhammadi Islam and not the Islam of banu Umayyah and their progenitors.

Keep researching and in sha Allah, you will reach at the truth and make the valid conclusion.

AlBaqir:


You mean you have verified all those Sunni references, from their Tafsir to book of ahadith, and all of them are falsehood?

You will do thousands of viewers a lot of goodness by exposing how those quotations and references from Sunni documents become "falsehood".

# " Bring (out) your evidence if you are truthful", Quran says.

Do you mind them, dear brother?

They first start by trying to be intellectual and reasonable. Then they claim victory and act as both judge and juror. When they see that is not helping them, they turn to insults and curses. When it doesn't work, and it does not deter you from preaching the truth, they become clownish and joking and pretend things are less serious than they are actually. Then, they will become spiritual asking you to fear God and pity them. If it still doesn't work, watch out! They will finally become angry and aggressive and start issuing threatening messages and trying to intimidate you to silence you. These are their modus operandi. What do you expect from people who follow an aqeedah of terror and idolize tyrants?

Newnas:



Well, let's see some authentic narrations from Soheehul Bukharee

The words of the Prophet, "Close up the doorways, except for that of Abu Bakr."

Hadith no :3529

Narrated Abu Sa`id Al-Khudri:

Allah''''s Apostle addressed the people saying, "Allah has given option to a slave to choose this world or what is with Him. The slave has chosen what is with Allah." Abu Bakr wept, and we were astonished at his weeping caused by what the Prophet mentioned as to a Slave ( of Allah) who had been offered a choice, (we learned later on) that Allah''''s Apostle himself was the person who was given the choice, and that Abu Bakr knew best of all of us. Allah''''s Apostle added, "The person who has favored me most of all both with his company and wealth, is Abu Bakr. If I were to take a Khalil other than my Lord, I would have taken Abu Bakr as such, but (what relates us) is the Islamic brotherhood and friendliness. All the gates of the Mosque should be closed except the gate of Abu Bakr."

And another version of this same closing of doors incident exists in your own authentic books of Hadith where the Prophet (s) ordered all the doors into the mosque shut except that of Imam Ali (as). Now you have fished out one that it was only Abu bakr's door.

You also stated a narration attributed to Abu Saeed al Khudri (ra) that the Prophet (s) said he would have taken a Khalil (close associate) after his Lord with Abu Bakr. But there's another version in your books where the Prophet (s) tied in brotherhood all his companions and he tied himself with Imam Ali (as), not abu Bakr. This is referred to as the "brotherhood contract". The Prophet (s) tied Abu Bakr and umar. So your Hadith about the Prophet (s) making a "supposition" to Abu Bakr, is not only lacking substance but false. You can read further (so as not to digress) on the Hadith you put forward and the Hadith on the brotherhood contract between the Prophet (s) and Imam Ali (as), and among the other sahabah in the below link:

http://makarem.ir/main.aspx?typeinfo=23&lid=1&mid=250279&catid=24379

So which do you take and on what basis when you have two opposing versions of the same hadith?

Can't you see there's a trend in Sunni hadiths? Whatever attribute was given to Imam Ali (as) by the Prophet (s) and whatever right and privileges, you see the same things copied in similar or exact form and attributed to those who bore envy, enmity and jealousy for Imam Ali (as).

I can give you two other cases:

1. The title of Amirul Mu'mineen which is exclusively for Imam Ali (as), and we do not even use it to refer to any of the other among the 12 holy Imams from the progeny of Prophet Muhammad (s). You used it first for umar. And today even the king of Morocco calls himself with that title!

2. "Ali is the gate of the city of knowledge". There's another version in your books which says "and umar is its fence"!

So if a neutral party like a Buddhist is to decide on our argument, he may think it's all the fault of the Prophet (s). Or in layman's term "he played both Imam Ali and Abu Bakr".

But the truth is massive fabrications took place in deminishing the light of Imam Ali (as) in your Hadith narrations or to borrow from that light and giving it to those who lack the merits. This was especially so under banu Umayyah. They deliberately did this and there's proof for it to confuse their loyal subjects who overwhelmingly became known as today's Sunnis. That is the tube in your brain that they blocked so you can't differentiate between truth and falsehood. They present falsehood as truth because they have given it the "cover of truth" and they borrowed from truth in its appearance (throwing away the substance) to package their falsehood and fabrications as "sahih". Talk about being a victim of distorted history and deliberate fabrications given the cover of truth. You can't condemn those who snatched the caliphate from its rightful place and through them it ended up in the hands of people like banu Umayyah who were the staunchest of staunch enemies of Islam and the Prophet (s) from the onset.and after Islam, they still butchered the Prophet's family in Karbala. Until you clear your mind and put your perceptions aside, you can't see the truth. That crown of royalty per excellence you place on the heads of Abu Bakr and umar, to the extent that reading your literature one would think they're infallible prophets, you have to set that crown aside. Free your mind!

By Allah, I'm saying this not to spite anyone, not to even argue. I'm glad you brought the Hadith about the closing of the doors. And I'm glad to offer you my sincere advice. I'm saying all this out of good intention and to make you ponder and reflect. I will not further argue on this because it's even ridiculous to. It's your choice!

Imran bin Husain narrates the Prophet (s) said:

‘verily ‘Ali is from me and I am from him. He is the MASTER of EVERY believer AFTER me.

Sunni Hadith References:

Sahih al-Tirmidhi, Vol 5, Page 236
al Sahih by Ibn Habban Volume 1 page 383, Mustadrak al Hakim , Vol. 3, p. 119
Sunan al Nasai Volume 5 page 132
by Ibn Abi Sheeba Volume 6 page 383
Musnad Abu Yala Volume 1 page 293

Imam Nisai in ‘Khasais’, Imam Hakim in his ‘Mustadrak’ and Ibn Hajar Asqlani in ‘Al-Istiab’, Mulla Mutaqi Hindi in ‘Kanz ul Ummal’, Dahabi in ‘Talkhees Mustadrak’ and Al-Baani the Wahabi in ‘Silsilat al-ahadith al-Sahiha’ have decalred the tradition ‘Sahih’.

vedaxcool:


You sound confused forbidden to call yourself sunni but you shias are the true sunnis? Bros quietly sit abd wait for the call of prayer.

Replying you is only for the sake of others, where necessary.

Do we call or name ourselves "Sunni" even though we are the true followers of the Sunnah of the Prophet, not of the sunnah of other misguided and disbelieve fellows? The answer is no. Why? Because neither Allah nor the Prophet (s) call us "Sunni".

But we call ourselves "Shia". Why? Because in numerous hadiths the Prophet (s) referred to and named the believers who are loyal to Imam Ali (as) as "the Shia of Ali".

Of course you would still argue because you're not capable of understanding the truth.

Please read the below and know which was the party that swayed from the truth and broke the religion into sects. Find out who labeled you "Sunni". Who gave you the name! Find out that in reality we the Shia are the true "Sunnis" (followers of the Sunnah of the Prophet) while you're only "Sunni" by name to divide the religion and discriminate.

Why It Is Bid'ah, Forbidden And Sinful To Be "Sunni"

https://www.nairaland.com/1001212/why-it-bidah-forbidden-sinful

vedaxcool:


How a persons quotes a verse that denouces sectarianism and puts the word shia as people who have nothing to do with the prophet pbuh becomes a justification to propagate sects in Islam beats me. This shows how the path you have taken is leading you to nowhere how it has deafen you to reason and your own words are here as evidence.

When Allah says you shouldn't be sects your brain should clearly tell you it means you shouldn't break into sects. The only thing you have to offer is division and now open rebellion to words of Allah. When the Qur’ān denouces adultery it simply means do not do it not a justification for the existence of adultery. I pray Allah shows you mercy and soften your heart for this level of dishonesty will lead to perdition.

"And most surely Abraham was among the Shi'a of him (i.e., Noah)”

(Holy Qur'an 37:83)

PLEASE EXPLAIN THE ABOVE VERSE!!!

it looks like taraweeh has made your brain to fly away!!! you only read and memorize the Quran to recite it like parrots during taraweeh without understanding. the same way on the verses that speak about killing and fighting the unbelievers. you guys have taken them out of context and use them out of context regardless of time, place and people. you abuse the verses to commit terror.

based on the verse that Ibrahim was of the Shia of Noah (as), it comes to our knowledge that the word Shia has a neutral, a positive, and a negative definition like other words. it all depends of whose "Shia" you are. obviously if you are of the Shia of Noah (as), or in our case as many hadiths support our stance and we are the "Shia of Ali", then it is approved by Allah (swt).

Imam Ali (as) is the one whom the Prophet (s) refer to in Sahih al Tirmidhi as the "master of EVERY believer AFTER me".

so being part of the Shia of Ali (as) is the essence of Islam.

the same Ali (as) who for whom the Declaration of Ghadir Khumm was made and then the religion of Islam was proclaimed to have been completed with that declaration.

read to learn and not to be a parrot.

MrOlai:
وَمَنْ أَعْرَضَ عَن ذِكْرِي فَإِنَّ لَهُ مَعِيشَةً ضَنكًا وَنَحْشُرُهُ يَوْمَ الْقِيَامَةِ أَعْمَى "
"

"As for the one who disregards My message, he will have a miserable life, and we resurrect him, on the Day of Resurrection, blind." (Q.20 vs 124)

This is the reason for your miserable life!

So to your cockroach brain, those ancient terrorists are Allah's message. Keep abusing and misinterpreting the Quran.

MrOlai:


You're an unfortunate human being! Your entire life is full of sadness and anguish! I didn't make you a shia enemy of Islam! So, you cannot transfer the aggression to me! I do not have your time!

You'll forever live the life of anguish until you repent unto Allah(SWT) and desist from cursing the companions and wives of the Prophet(SAW)!

You need repentance for following the enemies of The Ahlul Bayt (as).

What you call anguish and sadness are only channels of reward for the believers and source of punishment for the disbelievers. You fail to remember that this is a world of trials. Not a prick, but the believers will be rewarded for it. You now sound like the kuffar who boast of the life of this world.

These are the words of Imam Ali Ibn al Hussein (as) :

"Don't you know that being killed is our legacy and martyrdom is our honor from Allah"

https://www.al-islam.org/probe-history-ashura-dr-ibrahim-ayati/chapter-24-imam-sajjad-court-ibn-ziyad

MrOlai:


I pray to Allah(SWT) to make my destiny in the hereafter the destiny of Abubakr, Umar, Uthman, Ali, the wives of the Prophet(SAW) and all the noble companions of the Prophet(SAW), (Radiyallahu 'Aniumm Ajma'in). Allauma Ameen.

You have to repeat the prayer. The contention is those three. Don't add the name of Imam Ali (as), the imam of mankind and jinn, among the names of those tughat. The destiny of Imam Ali (as) is different. He will be in jannah and the Qaseem al jannah while those tyrants will be in asfal al jahim. So repeat the prayer. To prove your certainty of the uprightness of those three. Then I'd say ameen to your prayer. Don't hide behind the name of Imam Ali (as). He's not part of the question and contention.

Now, I dare you t pray to Allah(SWT) to make your destiny in the hereafter the destiny of Ayatollah Khomeini and all your other shia Ayatollahs with all the evils they have committed and created on the land! Do that prayer!

I will not pray for Allah to make my destiny the destiny of any fallible scholar because they're ordinary humans. We don't call them "rightly guided caliphs". I believe in what they believe but their actions are up to them.

We pray for our destiny to be the destiny of Muhammad and the Ahlul-Bayt of Muhammad.

This is one of our prayers in Mafatihul Jinan:

Allahummah ij'al mahyay mahyah Muhammad wa Aal Muhammad wa mamati mamata Muhammad wa Aal Muhammad.

"Oh Allah make my life the life of Muhammad and the household of Muhammad (i.e. The infallible 12 Imams, the truly righteous caliphs and pure successors of the Prophet whom Allah chose and imposed obeying them on us), and make my death the death of Muhammad and the family of Muhammad."

You say that Abu Bakr and co are "rightly guided caliphs" and they're among those promised paradise. To you they're infallible, going by that.

To us only Muhammad and Aal Muhammad (i.e the Ahlul Bayt) are infallible.

Next time, don't be dumb even in making a challenge or asking a question.

MrOlai:


Oloriburuku! Omo ale! You're referring to your father and mother at home!

MrOlai:


Oloriburuku! Omo ale! You're referring to your father and mother at home!

You lack Islamic manners and that's why you follow Wahhabi cult. This will teach you to stick to the topic. Don't insult next time. If you do, I'm not as gentle as Albaqir. I will not only curse those ancient terrorists. I will insult them and insult your papa that released the rotten sperm Ur mother conceived to give birth to a retarded hell bound Wahhabi takfiri bloodsucker. God punish you. Won't you do the prayer to prove your love for those ancient terrorists?

MrOlai:
@AbdulKaber, RABIUSHILE04, Demmzy, Rashduct4luv, FriendNG, et al...

Jazakumullah khaeran for all you contributions!

These shia people are no doubt enemies of Islam!

Na Ur papa and mama u dey curse. U suffer from intellectual and spiritual blindness.

You won't regard ibn Abu quhayfah and Abu hafsah as enemies of Islam for the innovations and bloodshed they committed, the disobedience of the Prophet during his life on several occasions and after his death and the oppression of the family of the Prophet and grabbing power and the coup d'etat of Saqifa Banu saeeda and the snatching of the land of fadak, the inheritance of the daughter of Muhammad (s), Lady Fatima (as) and the attack on the house of Fatima (as) and the massacre against Banu yerbo and the killing of Malik ibn nuweira (RA), an honorable companion unlike the so called companions you defend. The foundation of terrorism in Islam was laid by those you defend. Isis and Wahhabi terrorists are only emulating the atrocities of monstrous proportions committed by those ancient terrorists you call caliphs. Worse they fabricated hadiths attributing terrorist atrocities to the Prophet himself in order to make their shameful crimes look like joke. His tomboy daughter, Aisha waged war in the battle of Jamal that claimed the lives of thousands of Muslims against the imam of her time. And the Prophet had warned her to stay in her house. Now you say why didn't he divorce e her. Because if he had, she wouldve remarried to cause a historical shame to the honor of the Prophet. Something the wives of the Prophet can't do because they are labeled "mothers of the believers" to restrain them.

All the bloodshed that have happened in the Islamic world due to the divide those ancient terrorists committed will be of account on the day of judgment. They will bear the consequences. You too will for defending them.

If you love them so much, I dare you to pray for Allah to make their destiny in the hereafter your own destiny. Do that prayer.

Shameless!

AbdelKabir:
^^ I seek refuge with Allaah from the helpers of Shaytaan from men and jinn...

Takfiri, that is not the answer to my questions. I asked legitimate questions and you're replying me with a prayer.

what are the beliefs of Salafism (that makes them unique)?

how can i become a Salafi and be distinct from other Muslims other than pointing finger of takfir against other Muslims? for example, the Shia has the doctrine of IMAMATE that makes them unique. what defines you and set you aside other than arrogance and viewing other Muslims as "not Muslim enough"?

what did the Salafi teach unanimously and uniformly?

did they disagree with one another?

was the Prophet (s) a takfiri bloodthirsty murderer?

were the companions all in unison in terms of their understanding of Islam?

if you cannot answer any of these questions, your salafism does not hold water. it is not a belief system. it is not defined or definite. it is a cult that people ascribe to and use to spread bloodshed and division AMONG MUSLIMS, and use it to divide the ummah in the name of "who is a Muslim and who is not" based on an extremist ideology whose founderS were IBN TAYMIYYAH AND IBN ABDUL WAHAB. It adds no value to ISLAM than chaos, menace, and mischief. to the so called Salafists reciting and believing the shahadatain is no longer enough for one to be called Muslim or for his blood to be haram to shed.

Demmzy15:


The family of the above Prophets were certified believers, were the parents of the Prophet such?

yes they are certified believers. Abu Talib too was a believer. "Sheikhul Mu'mineen". find out.

Yes we respect all his family except for the likes of Aboo Lahab.

if Abu Lahab had not died before the Prophet (s), you guys would have denied the Quran (Surat Tab) and you would have claimed that he "repented" before he died, and would accuse the Shia of insulting a "companion" and uncle of the Prophet (s). the same case you deny Surat Tahrim which clearly describes Aisha as a kafirah. read Surat Tahrim.

Salafis didn't say, the Prophet(Sallaahu Alayhim Wa Salam) said it himself and its your duty to disprove the hadith with facts, not with emotions and chest beatings.

Muslim (203) narrated from Anas (may Allaah be pleased with him) that a man said: “O Messenger of Allaah, where is my father?” He said: “In Hell.” When he turned away he called him back and said: “My father and your father are in Hell.”

are you that dull?

the hadith you are attributing to the Prophet (s) was narrated by the same person (Anas) who is the subject of the OP and is referred to as one of the three greatest liars.

why do you ignore other hadiths which state that the Prophet (s) has never been carried in the loins of a disbeliever? that from Adam (as) to Abdullah (as), all his forefathers were monotheists who believed in the Almighty Allah?

So I ask you, is the father of Prophet Ibrahim(Alayhi Salam) also making heaven?

Azar was the foster father of the Prophet Ibrahim (as). not his biological father. the hadith on the genealogy of Prophet Muhammad (s) also vindicates the forefathers of Prophet Ibrahim (as) since our Prophet (s) descended from Adam (as) through Ibrahim (as).

No reply to this, no be today we know say you love lying.

get away you bloody misguided takfiri.

Al-Hâfidh Ibn Hajar (d.852H) – rahimahullâh – said: “The most correct of what I have come across is that a Sahâbî (Companion) is one who met the Prophet sallallâhu ’alayhi wa sallam whilst believing in him, and died as a Muslim. So, that includes the one who remained with him for a long or a short time, and those who narrated from him and those who did not, and those who saw him but did not sit with him and those who could not see him due to blindness.” [Al-Isâbah (1/4-5) of al-Hâfidh lbn Hajar]

That's the definition of Sahabah, gorrit?!

mumu...the definition is not the problem. the problem is when you block your ears and shut your eyes with your hands and shove into that definition those who oppressed and butchered the family of the Prophet (s), who disobeyed the Prophet (s) in his lifetime, and also ignored his will and commands after his death.

So you think your taqqiyah can work here abi?! You and your cohorts want to deny you don't curse them?!

Taqiyyah, ya jahil, is a concept found in the Quran. whenever you deny Taqiyyah, ya jahil, you deny the Quran. you spew ignorance as if Taqiyyah is the property of the Shia found in the cupboard of Sayyid Sistani or one of the marja'eyah.

"Attention: Know that the most honuorable of places and times and conditions and the best occasion to send curses on them - may they be cursed- is in the area of urination (i.e bathroom), so when you are free from urine say during each Takhliya and Istibra' and Tathir (when you relieve yourself!) continuously: "O Allah curse Omar then Abu Bakr, and Omar and Othman, and Omar then Muawiyah, and Omar then Yazid, and Omar then Ibn Ziyad, and Omar then ibn Saad, and Omar then Shamr, and Omar then their armies, and Omar. O Allah curse Aaisha and Hafsah and Hind and Umm Al-Hakam, and curse the ones who are pleased with their actions until the day of judgement."

Source: لئالئ الأخبار - La'ali' al-Akhbar 4/92, by the kafir Shia Rafidi Zindiq "Al-Muhaqqiq Al-Tusirkani.

Of course, they're following the sunnah of the tyre-heads you call ayatoilet!

may the curse of Allah be upon them...ameen Ya Allah.

Every Cristian respect`s Jesus and his Mother and Father(as) so much.
The Jews also respect Prophet Musah and the Mother and Father of Musah(as).
Every Muslim also respect`s Prophet Muhammad(s) and his Mother and Father(as).

It is only the Wahabis who call themselves Salafis or Ahlu Sunnah wal Jama-ah who call the Mother and Father of Prophet Muhammad as Kaafirs(Kuffaar) and even condem them to Jahannam-Hell Fire.
So far, it is only the Wahabis who hate, disrespect and insult the Mother and Father of thier own Prophet.
The Wahabis are the same People who claim that they love Prophet Muhammad.

As for the sahabah, there were the good, the bad and the ugly. The holy Prophet (s), as per hadiths in bukhari and Muslim, foretold that there are those among his companions who will go astray and will end up in the hell fire.

When one speaks of the misguidance a number of them acted based on facts and based on what they did , no one is insulting them like calling them "monkeys" or "ba$tards". If examining historical truths is "insult", then no one should take such an accuser serious.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iEZfGh3EMxQ

Sarassin:


The writer of this article is as daft as a brush. He started out by correctly identifying Wahabism as an intolerant fundamental offshoot of Islam. He then ruins his good work with wild claims of US and Israeli funding of Wahabism. I can only think this must be some kind of a "trial balloon"

"Hillary Clinton Tells Truth About US Funding Of Saudi Wahhabis & Taliban"


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SZFREguPBXs

tintingz:
How is Mohammed and his progeny, that lived in 1000 years ago in middle East the cause of creation of the universe?

I'm not understanding.

Albaqir, do you also believe this?

We, including Albaqir, believe that Allah created everyone and everything because of His love for Muhammad (s) and the holy/chosen members of his Ahlul-Bayt (as). i.e. the universe was created out of love for The Fourteen Infallible Ones. That is Allah's motive for creation: love. His purpose for His creation is worship.

This belief is found in Hadith al-Kisa which is reported in both Sunni and Shia sources of hadith. This belief is also exclusively found abundantly in Shia Hadith sources.

If you want to learn you can check the below links on the subject you raised. If you want to argue my belief then don't waste your time. Read more on yours and think of the mockery in your own beliefs.

Take:

http://www.marefateahlebait.com/know-the-ahlul-bait/ahlulbai-the-reason-behind-creation


http://www.shiachat.com/forum/topic/235030356-the-world-was-created-out-of-love-for-ahlul-bayt/

THE END

Although the events after death have been described already and will prove to be an incentive towards preparing ourselves for the Hereafter, I wish to list some practices and occasions described by Revered personalities, which will help everybody in their preparations. Only those who are aware of the reality and facts about the Hereafter, can inform us about this and these are Muhammad (s) and his progeny, who are the cause of creation of the Universe. The gist of their teachings is that if anybody has to undertake a journey, he should make preparations for it.

Therefore daily before sleeping, Imam Ali (a) used to announce from the mosque, "O People, get ready and make preparations for your journey of the Hereafter. May Allah have mercy on you. The proclaimer of Death is announcing. Take heed. Be prepared. You will face numerous hazards there." (Nahjul Balagha)

The first occasion of these is the time when one experiences the pangs of death. ("And the stupor of death will come in truth; that is what you were trying to escape" Sura Qaf, verse 19). This is an extremely hard time. On one side there is the intensity of pain and illness, the tongue becomes mute and the body refuses to respond. On the other hand, the crying and wailing relatives and the thought of being separated from them forever, the grief of the children becoming orphans, separation from one's mate and life-partner and from wealth and other worldly goods (in the collection of which one had spent his lifetime): the agony of death, combined with these hardships to be faced after death, all cause this time to be painful beyond imagination. Shaykh Saduq has quoted Imam Ja'far al-Sadiq (a) as saying, "If anyone wishes to make the pangs of death easy and light, he should maintain good relations with his relatives and should be kind and gentle with his parents. One who behaves thus will die easily and in his lifetime will not be troubled with paucity and will on the contrary live happily." The Holy Prophet has recommended Sura Yasin and Sura al-Saffat and reading the dua "La Ilaha Illa Allah al-Haleemul Karim..." (There is no power except Allah, the Forbearing and Gracious) to the end in the Qunoot as being beneficial for the time of death. (Recommending of particular Sura and Dua for particular objectives is because of the special meanings contained in them; which if understood and taken to heart have corrective influences upon man).

Second Occasion: Adeela indal-Maut (Satanic thought in death). This is the turning away from the truth to the false and wrong at the time of death. This is because Satan approaches men at the time of their death creating and raising doubts in their minds to the extent that one's correct faith may be completely shaken. One may even become bereft of it and he may die an infidel or faithless. Traditions advice us that as a safeguard one should be in the habit of recalling USUL AL-DEEN with its proof so that when he is reminded of the Usul al-Deen on his death-bed and in TALQEEN, certainty of his faith would prevail and doubts would cease. Dua-e-Adeela in Mafatihul Jinan is also helpful and should be read at the death-bed. Reciting the Tasbih of Hazrat Fatima (a), wearing Aqiq (Carnelian) ring, reading Sura al-Mu'minun on Fridays, reading "BISMILLAHI LA HAWLA WALA QUWWATA ILLA BILLAH" after Morning and Maghrib Prayers, are all beneficial.

Third Occasion: Wahshat al-Qabr (Fear and horror of the Grave): This is more severe, and fearful than the previous occasions. When the body is brought near the grave, it should not be put into it at once. Since this is a very fearful time, it should rather be prepared for it by breaking the journey thrice (Manzil), because the spirit still retains interest in the body. The Holy Prophet has said, "The most fearful time for the dead is their first night in the grave. Help your dead in this time of need by giving charity on their behalf and by praying for them (Salaat al-Wahshat). In this prayer in the first rakat, one should read Ayaat al-Kursi after Sura al--Hamd and in the second Sura al-Qadr ten times after Sura al-Hamd. Alternatively, Sura al-Tawheed twice in the first rakat and Sura al-Takathur ten times in the second rakat. ( i.e. after Sura al-Hamd). Also beneficial is reading "LA ILAHA ILLA ALLAHU AL-MALIKUL HAQQUL MUBEEN" (There is no power except Allah, the King, the Right, the Manifest) 100 times daily and reading Sura Yaseen every night before sleeping.

Fourth Occasion: Constriction in the Grave: This is also a difficult time. The grave calls out everyday. "I am the rest-house of the travellers. I am a house of horror and also of Respect." For some, the grave will be a garden from amongst the gardens of Heaven and for others a pit from the pits of Hell. Imam al-Sadiq (a) has said that nobody can escape this constriction, but there are practices which can prove helpful in this regard. e.g. 1) Imam Ali (a) has said that reading of Sura al-Nisa every Friday will save one from constriction. 2) One who makes a habit of reading Sura al-Zukhruf will remain safe from the constriction and beasts in the grave. 3) Imam Ja'far al-Sadiq (a) has said that whoever dies between Thursday noon and Friday noon will be spared constriction. 4) Imam al-Ridha (a) has said that the habit of night prayers keeps one safe from constrictions. 5) The Holy Prophet (s) has said that reciting Sura al-Takathur before sleeping helps to ward off constrictions. 6) People buried in the sacred land of Najaf are also spared constrictions.

Fifth Occasion: THE QUESTIONING BY MUNKIR AND NAKEER: Imam Ja'far al-Sadiq (a) has said that one who does not believe that questioning will take place in the grave is not a true faithful. These questions have been already mentioned. Reading Talqeen twice before the burial is completed is very beneficial but specially (and maybe only) if the person had these beliefs and thoughts in his lifetime.

Sixth Occasion: BARZAKH : Barzakh has been discussed already. It is a time of extreme helplessness. Deeds done for the dead and the benefits arising from one's previous deeds are the only useful things at this time and most fearful day.

Seventh Occasion: DAY OF JUDGEMENT: It is the harshest and severest. There are fifty stations in the Day of Judgement; each more difficult than the previous one. We hope that you, dear reader, will pray for us.

https://www.al-islam.org/gallery/kids/Books/unseen/unseen_32.html

AlBaqir:


# "The best answer (sometimes) to fools is silence"

I believe you know these wahabist before now. You know they will provoke, insult, malign... I believe you should have treated their insults with silence and only address/focus on the main points. Everybody even their Sunni brethren knew them to be master "insulters". The more they insult and provoke, the more they show their true color.

Personally I don't bother myself about how much you insult me or call me names. I treat that as if they don't exist. I only focus on points raised. No doubt as human, I do snap up sometimes. May Allah forgive our mistakes.

# I'm looking forward to see a decorum, matured, evidenced based discussions on this forum. Really, I missed maclatunji a lot. He's a good moderator.

# Really, you've done an excellent job here single handedly you expose their propaganda. Ahsant.

Jazak'Allah Khair. thank you brother.

tintingz:
This is not even about the debate or insult, it is about the discrimination and hate filled in this thread.

Two sects(brothers) hating on each other because of some ancient clash?

And one hypocrite will tell me Islam doesn't have sect, when it is already affecting their brain and behavior.

In a well moderated forum such thread will not be allowed. It will be taken down by the mods. It sole purpose is to incite hatred. This is the pure handwork of Wahhabis. The hate is not from my side. I was compelled to respond to the blackmail and name calling promoted through blatant lies. And I succeeded in exposing such lies. And then they got all emotional and issuing outright insults. I'm sure if they can they would've issued threats as well. You don't falsely make allegations to demonize others and then claim moral high ground by throwing insults. So please do not bundle me into their level because you want to sound like a fair referee. Blame the one who started the bashing. The thread is nothing but bashing. And I hope they learn that such behavior will only burst the bubble of their sectarian ego and hate.

RABIUSHILE04:


Typical of a filthy, worthless SHIA.

Jazak'Allah...do you have anything to say on the discussion? if not, get lost. you contributed nothing meaningful. after your fellows, or you got exposed with your other usernames, you appeared without your mask to throw insults. thank you. i wont engage in such a contest. bye.