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chiedu7:
As Jesus Himself said, you know neither the bible nor the word of God

Mark 12:24
ye know not the scriptures, neither the power of God?

Jesus is the Lord of Sabbath,which means the Jews worshiped Him

Mark 2:28
Therefore the Son of man is Lord also of the sabbath

Thats Why David called Jesus His Lord

Matthew 22
42 Saying, What think ye of Christ? whose son is he? They say unto him, The son of David.

43 He saith unto them, How then doth David in spirit call him Lord, saying,

44 The Lord said unto my Lord, Sit thou on my right hand, till I make thine enemies thy footstool?

45 If David then call him Lord, how is he his son?

Because Jesus said that before Abraham was the Father of the Jews was, He Jesus Christ is "I AM" not "I WAS but I AM". This means Jesus lacks a beginning

John 8:58
Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I am.

Jesus has always been, when He died on the cross the body died not the spirit.
Jesus gave the Father His spirit, so the body could die

Luke 23:46
And when Jesus had cried with a loud voice, he said, Father, into thy hands I commend my spirit: and having said thus, he gave up the ghost.

Since His spirit was alive ,He Jesus took up His body to avoid rot

John 10
17 Therefore doth my Father love me, because I lay down my life, that I might take it again.

18 No man taketh it from me, but I lay it down of myself. I have power to lay it down, and I have power to take it again. This commandment have I received of my Father.

Jesus said He is the Almighty, Remember Jesus is to come not the Father

Revelation 1:8
I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty.

So yes Jesus is FULL GOD, thats why the bible said that everything about being God is in Jesus. Including being almighty

Colossians 2:9
For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.

So Yes Jesus is God Almighty who died for fools like you & sinners like me

Amateur bible disputer you are

Jesus never instructed his disciples to worship him;
‘When you pray, say Our Father which art in heaven.’ (Luke 11:2)

‘In that day, you shall ask me nothing. Whatsoever you ask of the Father in my name.’ (John 16:23)

‘The hour cometh and now is, when the true worshippers shall worship the Father in spirit and in truth; for the Father seeketh such to worship him.’ (John 4:23)


Bible says that Jesus is subordinate to God
‘Now I want you to realize that the head of every man is Christ, and the head of the woman is man, and the head of Christ is God.’ (1 Corinthians 11:3)

On Jesus died for sinners like you;
To a christian like you that believed Jesus Christ is God, You mean that God Almighty had to take human form to understand temptation and human suffering, but the concept is not based on any clear words of Jesus. In contrast, God does not need to be tempted and suffer in order to be able to understand and forgive man’s sins, for He is the all knowing Creator of man. This is expressed in the verse:

‘And the Lord said: ‘I have surely seen the affliction of My people that are in Egypt, and I have heard their cry because of their taskmasters; for I know their pains.’ (Exodus 3:7)

God forgave sin before Jesus’ appearance, and He continues to forgive without any assistance. When a believer sins, he may come before God in sincere repentance to receive forgiveness. Indeed, the offer to humble oneself before God and be saved is made to all humankind.

‘And there is no God else beside Me; a just God and a Savior; there is none beside Me. Look to Me, and be saved, all the ends of the earth; for I am God, and there is none else.’ (Isaiah 45:21-22, Jonah 3:5-10

‘When he has done this, then the son himself will be made subject to him who put everything under him, so that God may be all in all.’ (1 Corinthians 15:28

chiedu7:
As Jesus Himself said, you know neither the bible nor the word of God

Mark 12:24
ye know not the scriptures, neither the power of God?

Jesus is the Lord of Sabbath,which means the Jews worshiped Him

Mark 2:28
Therefore the Son of man is Lord also of the sabbath

Thats Why David called Jesus His Lord

Matthew 22
42 Saying, What think ye of Christ? whose son is he? They say unto him, The son of David.

43 He saith unto them, How then doth David in spirit call him Lord, saying,

44 The Lord said unto my Lord, Sit thou on my right hand, till I make thine enemies thy footstool?

45 If David then call him Lord, how is he his son?

Because Jesus said that before Abraham was the Father of the Jews was, He Jesus Christ is "I AM" not "I WAS but I AM". This means Jesus lacks a beginning

John 8:58
Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I am.

Jesus has always been, when He died on the cross the body died not the spirit.
Jesus gave the Father His spirit, so the body could die

Luke 23:46
And when Jesus had cried with a loud voice, he said, Father, into thy hands I commend my spirit: and having said thus, he gave up the ghost.

Since His spirit was alive ,He Jesus took up His body to avoid rot

John 10
17 Therefore doth my Father love me, because I lay down my life, that I might take it again.

18 No man taketh it from me, but I lay it down of myself. I have power to lay it down, and I have power to take it again. This commandment have I received of my Father.

Jesus said He is the Almighty, Remember Jesus is to come not the Father

Revelation 1:8
I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty.

So yes Jesus is FULL GOD, thats why the bible said that everything about being God is in Jesus. Including being almighty

Colossians 2:9
For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.

So Yes Jesus is God Almighty who died for fools like you & sinners like me

Amateur bible disputer you are

I can see that you're immature and a congenital fool because if not you won't be throwing tantrums in a harmless discussion.

Can you give me any verse in the Bible where Jesus Christ unambiguously declare himself as the God.


Jesus called a man many times in the Bible
‘a man who has told you the truth’ (John 8:40)

‘Jesus the Nazarene, a man attested to you by God with miracles and wonders and signs which God performed through Him in your midst, just as you yourselves know.’ (Acts 2:22)

‘He will judge the world in righteousness through a man whom He has appointed’ (Acts 17:31)

‘the man Christ Jesus’ (Tim. 2:5

Bible verses that says God is not Man
Numbers 23:19
19 God is not a man, that he should lie; neither the son of man, that he should repent: hath he said, and shall he not do it? or hath he spoken, and shall he not make it good?


For I am God, and not man’ (Hosea 11:9).

Isaiah 45:5

I am the LORD, and there is no other; apart from me there is no God. I will strengthen you, though you have not acknowledged me.


When Jesus was accused of being God and he denied it.

The son can do nothing of himself, but what he sees the Father do’; and directly after ‘I can of mine own self do nothing.’ (John 5:19, 30)

In answer to the charge of making himself God, he appeals to the Jews in substance thus: Your own Scriptures call Moses a god, and your magistrates gods; I am surely not inferior to them, yet I did not call myself God, but only the ‘son’ of God (John 10:34-36).

johnw47:
The Lord Jesus Christ is "The Word of God" in the flesh

before Jesus became Man He is called "The Word of God"
and when He ascended back to heaven,
He is again called "The Word of God" john 1 and revelation 19


Joh 1:1  In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 
Joh 1:2  He was in the beginning with God.

Joh 1:14  And the Word became flesh, and dwelt among us, and we saw His glory, glory as of the only begotten from the Father, full of grace and truth.

Rev 19:13  He is clothed with a robe dipped in blood, and His name is called The Word of God.




Joh 1:3  All things came into being through Him, and apart from Him nothing came into being that has come into being.

Col 1:16  For by Him all things were created, both in the heavens and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or rulers or authorities—all things have been created through Him and for Him. 
Col 1:17  He is before all things, and in Him all things hold together.

In summary, how does that Word of God equate to God. And can you give me any verse in the Bible where Jesus Christ unambiguously declare himself as the God.


Bible verses that says God is not Man
Numbers 23:19
19 God is not a man, that he should lie; neither the son of man, that he should repent: hath he said, and shall he not do it? or hath he spoken, and shall he not make it good?


For I am God, and not man’ (Hosea 11:9).

Isaiah 45:5

I am the LORD, and there is no other; apart from me there is no God. I will strengthen you, though you have not acknowledged me.

When Jesus was accused of being God and he denied it

The son can do nothing of himself, but what he sees the Father do’; and directly after ‘I can of mine own self do nothing.’ (John 5:19, 30)

In answer to the charge of making himself God, he appeals to the Jews in substance thus: Your own Scriptures call Moses a god, and your magistrates gods; I am surely not inferior to them, yet I did not call myself God, but only the ‘son’ of God (John 10:34-36).

Lovelies1:
What bible version are you using cause he never said he his not God, if not give me a bible verse that said such

As for your write up

Why then do you accuse me of blasphemy because I said, ‘I am God’s Son’?

Jesus ask the people, in their book of record they accepted that men are small gods or even gods then why should they accused him of blasphemy if he should be call the son of God, doesn't change the fact if they call him God he won't accept it

You call me `Teacher' and `Lord,' and rightly so, for that is what I am

John 13: 13

Even by your Isaiah 2:2-3, 54:13

New International Version, king James version, think of any other versions of the Bible and check it from there. I no dey use Pentecostal Bible. See the way you're twisting Jesus words as if you're in his mind or you lived together. So in your own understanding, Son and son of God are the Same. Bye bye, Done with you cos I can see that your knowledge of Bible isn't that adequate and your obstinate nature won't make you accept the fact

Lovelies1:
You say why don't you accept God but you yourself said you haven't seen God, but people of the old had a relationship with a certain person name Jesus and this people wrote down the behavior of this man since we are all humans we can easily relate with a behavior being express like one of us .

You can't use your medulla oblongata to arrive at the Conclusion that Jesus is God. It's beyond your knowledge. So because people have seen and relate with Jesus Christ. We should just accept him as God?? Hahahaha.

Lovelies1:
Isaiah 54:13
John 13:13

Neither did I say my words but I gave you bible verses

When Jesus was accused of being God and he denied it

The son can do nothing of himself, but what he sees the Father do’; and directly after ‘I can of mine own self do nothing.’ (John 5:19, 30)

In answer to the charge of making himself God, he appeals to the Jews in substance thus: Your own Scriptures call Moses a god, and your magistrates gods; I am surely not inferior to them, yet I did not call myself God, but only the ‘son’ of God (John 10:34-36).

Lovelies1:
Isaiah 54:13
John 13:13

Neither did I say my words but I gave you bible verses

and no justification or any unambiguous statement that Jesus Christ equal to God in the Bible. Except you're contradicting the Bible or the Bible is contradicting itself.

Lovelies1:
Even read verse 15 of Isaiah 45

Read

Isaiah 45:5

I am the LORD, and there is no other; apart from me there is no God. I will strengthen you, though you have not acknowledged me,

Lovelies1:
Ok so I wasn't there when he said it, but you were there when he called Jesus is servant
Funny you

It is the same Isaiah were He was refer to as servant it is the same Isaiah he was refer to as God

I wasn't there but it was in the Bible or are you denying the words in the Bible or denying the Bible

Lovelies1:
He was born by man right??

I can see that you don't even have in-depth knowledge of your Bible

Hebrews 7:1-3
For this Melchizedek, king of Salem, priest of the Most High God, who met Abraham as he was returning from the slaughter of the kings and blessed him, to whom also Abraham apportioned a tenth part of all the spoils, was first of all, by the translation of his name, king of righteousness, and then also king of Salem, which is king of peace. Without father, without mother, without genealogy, having neither beginning of days nor end of life, but made like the Son of God, he remains a priest perpetually.

Lovelies1:
He was talking of a soul

Why did God gave this servant a Godly praise Isaiah 45:18-23,

So, you're the God interpreter or were you there when he said that. This is plain English and it doesn't require any holy spirit to understand it. Very simple to decipher. The soul in that statement is God's soul. And the servant was Jesus

Lovelies1:
The day Jesus Christ was given birth did Joseph had sexual intercourse with Mary
Mathew 1:18

Have you heard or read about birth of melchizedek in the Bible. He was born in a mysterious way as well. Go and read it

Lovelies1:
Matthew 26:39-45
Hebrews 2:9


A God doesn't really need to died to prove a point, neither does he need to taste death but remember he was born in Bethlehem on manger and not a kind of royal charade.

He existed before Abraham even being born by Mary a lineage daughter of Abraham
John 5:58

Your definition that if he is God he shouldn't die this bible verse answers u
Acts 2:24


Incase u are feel like you can read this

https://www.nairaland.com/6036986/pdf-file

But meanwhile I will be answering your questions though I wanted to go deep but I insist I will continue with the way you want

To a christian like you that believed Jesus Christ is God, You mean that God Almighty had to take human form to understand temptation and human suffering, but the concept is not based on any clear words of Jesus. In contrast, God does not need to be tempted and suffer in order to be able to understand and forgive man’s sins, for He is the all knowing Creator of man. This is expressed in the verse:

‘And the Lord said: ‘I have surely seen the affliction of My people that are in Egypt, and I have heard their cry because of their taskmasters; for I know their pains.’ (Exodus 3:7)

God forgave sin before Jesus’ appearance, and He continues to forgive without any assistance. When a believer sins, he may come before God in sincere repentance to receive forgiveness. Indeed, the offer to humble oneself before God and be saved is made to all humankind.

‘And there is no God else beside Me; a just God and a Savior; there is none beside Me. Look to Me, and be saved, all the ends of the earth; for I am God, and there is none else.’ (Isaiah 45:21-22, Jonah 3:5-10

Lovelies1:
He is not the same as God cause he his The only True One God
He appeared in form of a man to take identity with human being, he took the form of a servant but express the nature of the Father born in him as the son to adapt a reconciliatory teachings to the rest of mankind in respect to the word of God.

Numbers 23:19
19 God is not a man, that he should lie; neither the son of man, that he should repent: hath he said, and shall he not do it? or hath he spoken, and shall he not make it good?


For I am God, and not man’ (Hosea 11:9)

Lovelies1:
It looks like you are highly off the point

John 14:9

There's no indication or declaration that Jesus Christ is the God Almighty in that verse.

FYI check Matthew 12:18, how can someone that God pronounced as his servant still equal to that God?
18:Behold my servant, whom I have chosen; my beloved, in whom my soul is well pleased: I will put my spirit upon him, and he shall shew judgment to the Gentiles. ... 18:"Here is my servant whom I have chosen, the one I love, in whom I delight; I will put my Spirit on him, and he will proclaim justice to the nations.

Lovelies1:
And what do you mean by he died by human hands

Hmm he even resurrected on the third day

Very simple, Can a God die?? Even if he resurrected. Die na die and he's not even the only person that resurrected in your Bible

Lovelies1:
Am already answering let me continue..
Jesus death was an ordeal to mankind hope when it came to survival

I don't want your unverified information. I need biblical evidence to support your claim

Lovelies1:
And all this was trace to the beginning of the world when Adam fell by eating the fruit of Good and Bad

You didn't pass any message. This is incoherent and off topic

Lovelies1:
In case you didn't see my last modified message

He is not the same as God cause he his The only True One God
He appeared in form of a man to take identity with human being, he took the form of a servant but express the nature of the Father born in him as the son to adapt a reconciliatory teachings to the rest of mankind in respect to the word of God.

you're living in delusion. Can you give me those verses in Bible where Jesus Christ declared himself as God Almighty

Lovelies1:
Have you seen God

No, have you seen God also?. Besides, Answer my question first. I need answers to those questions I asked you

johnw47:
The Word of God, had a beginning in the flesh. john 1:14

before then, Wisdom/The Word of God, had a beginning as a separate Person to God. proverbs 8:22-25
God bought forth Wisdom out of Himself. The Spirit of Wisdom, The Spirit of knowledge etc. is that same One Holy Spirit that is God:

Isa_11:2  The Spirit of the LORD will rest on Him, The spirit of wisdom and understanding, The spirit of counsel and strength, The spirit of knowledge and the fear of the LORD.


God possessed Wisdom at the beginning of His way/before His works of old.
His works of old are of course, the beginning of His way

God and Wisdom/The Word, was there at the beginning of creation
God possessed Wisdom at creation, and before that Wisdom has always existed in God, of course


God is greater than The Word of God/than The Lord Jesus Christ
it was God Who bought Wisdom out of Himself, and Jesus is flesh

God bringing Wisdom out of Himself can be likened to birth
but not likened to create, because Wisdom always existed in God

Hope you realised Jesus wasn't the only person that pass the word of God to people. Some prophet did it before and after him. What should we call them?? Blood or Spirit of God since you referred Jesus as the flesh of the God

Lovelies1:
Rubbish instead repent of your and give your life to Jesus Christ as your Lord and personal savior

I Know most people on this forum don't want to be tribal but the condition of the current structure of the country is the reason behind it.

Any which way, please endeavor, make sure as a Christian you are in your local church this coming Sunday to wash out all these vibes

As for Muslim or any other religion please give your life to Jesus Christ and enjoy a rich life in him. There is no other ruler on earth except he who has been given authority above the heavens, in the heavens on earth below the Earth. The name greater and mightier than all names. That name JESUS CHRIST

Why should I accept Jesus Christ instead of accepting God as one. Is Jesus Christ the same as God?? If so,
Who was in charge of the world before Jesus was born, who created Adam, Abraham, eve and all the other creature before Jesus was born?? God is immortal but Jesus died and it was even through the hands of Human beings. So, what are the reasons to justify that Jesus Christ is still the same as the God Almighty who wasn't born by anybody and he didn't give birth to any one either.

Righteousness2:
Changes to our planet Earth are now Accelerating.

The World appears to be in the Grip of a Weather Crisis, which has become more Intense and Higher in Frequency than anything seen in History, and yet all these were Foretold over 2000yrs ago in Bible Prophecy that this would Happen.

Satan has tricked Mankind to believe that Climate Change is Real and in turn has Blinded many to the Gospel of JESUS Christ.

But if our gospel be hid, it is hid to them that are lost:
In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.

I have said it here over and over that there is nothing any Government, Scientist, technology or whatever can do about the changes in the Weather.

What we are seeing are the Signs that signals the Return of JESUS Christ and the End of the World.
What we are witnessing is GOD Almighty Warning an Unbelieving and Unrepentant World that Judgement is Coming.

Prophet of Doom. I can see you've changed your style and Accept that God is the controller and the creator of the universe, not Jesus Christ and you've also agreed with me that Jesus Christ isn't equal to God

Myhusband:
I don't even know what to say to you reading this your babysit statement



a federal minister carrying firearm then why can't Buhari the C-in-C carry fire arm too since we are now under Islamic rule




dear Nigerians, welcome to Islamic rule

Why do you have to display your islamophobic everywhere. How does Islam come into this discussion

[quote author= post=106322403]Na catapult with bow and arrow you want to see the Defense Minister of the Federation with before?

Which defense Minister all over the world doesn't carry atleast a pistol with them when going out off duty or on duty?
Orisirisi something.

You just see some threads sometimes and wonder where they came from.

Just imagine! [/quote]Shey you get sense like this abi you no wait collect am from heaven ni. I've a prayer for you, may your life be as palatable as the current Nigeria security architecture

elpochas:
seems you just started watching football during Messi and Ronaldo Era,Ronaldinho was the one that invented and perfected that free kick.Go and watch Baca vs Werder bremen 2007 UCL Group match,that was Dinho played it.No pun intended at you,bt we learn everyday.

Your head dey there. It was in the group stage. Chelsea topped the group, Barcelona beating werden Bremen on the last day sealed their qualifications to the second round.

Righteousness2:
The Signals and signs we see on Earth today is what you see when a Storm is set to arrive.

A Storm is coming on this World that will Shake the World and its inhabitants to its Foundation.

At this Point in time , if you still do not Know that we are at the end, it is too late For you.

Time is Almost up! Get your House in order!
It is either you Accept JESUS Now and Escape what is Coming or you refuse and get left behind to face the Horror on Earth.

JESUS is Coming Quickly! If you Miss the Rapture, I am Sorry for you.

If you Have Ears to Hear! You should Hear.

Why should I accept Jesus Christ instead of accepting God as one. Is Jesus Christ the same as God?? If so,
Who was in charge of the world before Jesus was born, who created Adam, Abraham, eve and all the other creature before Jesus was born?? God is immortal but Jesus died and it was even through the hands of Human beings. So, what are the reasons to justify that Jesus Christ is still the same as the God Almighty who wasn't born by anybody and he didn't give birth to any one either.

DoggoneDogg:
Very true. Atink say na only me notice am.
The fight was stopped early as Usyk was pummeling his face repeatedly, the bell rang.

Add those 5 seconds and Afonjoshua would have collapsed.


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Naim be dis

The Afonjoshua has written his name with Gold in the world. Who are you? Who know you, are you even worthy of being your household champion not to talk of your family

DappaD:
The answer is pretty much easy.

The Almighty God did not have a beginning(Psalm 93:2) while Jesus had a beginning. Colossians 1:15, Revelation 3:14

Thanks, we learn something new everyday

Legalcriminal:
I have asked some of my Christian friends but can’t get a valid answer always jargons and nonsense some even denied they don’t call Jesus God. All I can tell you is they are just some fucking confuse human being.

Cos it's illogical. They won't have a valid answer

Bodmum:
you are just an unbaptized pagan

You're lost and delusional. Answer my question or use your logic. Try to always do your own research, don't rely on what you heard from people alone. Peace, beside you didn't answer my questions

I have heard a lot of Christians always equate Jesus Christ as God Almighty but I've a question that has always been disturbing my mind.
Who was in charge of the world before Jesus was born, who created Adam, Abraham, eve and all the other creature before Jesus was born?? God is immortal but Jesus died and it was even through the hands of Human beings. So, what are the reasons to justify that Jesus Christ is still the same as the God Almighty who wasn't born by anybody and he didn't give birth to any one either.