hupernikao:


I hope you don't read the Bible the way you just read what I wrote. You didn't pay attention to what I wrote. You may need to read it again and then rewrite your response.

This is what I post I replied in the last message I sent to you

johnw47:


laugh, go chat with know nothings shidof and janosky oh so dum antichrist
they will probablly give you likes

You're just not passing any message. You know that you've lost the conversation and your motive now is to derail the thread with gibberish and meaningless posts. It won't work on me kid. I'm done with you, you can go and play with daft kids that you're of the same IQ

hupernikao:


I hope you don't read the Bible the way you just read what I wrote. You didn't pay attention to what I wrote. You may need to read it again and then rewrite your response.

So, If I want to read Bible. I should be reading and digesting 1 verse in a week or month and wait for holy spirit to guide and give me the right understanding of the verse right??

MaxInDHouse:

The problem here is people feeling they can adequately PREACH and TEACH God's word without being connected to the right source of information {John 15:1-8} This is the same issue Jesus had with the Pharisees, Sadducees, Scribes and other Jewish Rabbis of the first century. These people arranged for schools of thought and attached themselves to the ruling party in order to become authorised teachers of God's word, so when Jesus (a carpenter's son) who never attended any of their Rabbinic schools began teaching the people they were confused because they felt Jesus is not authorized to do so under their politicised system of worship {Mark 11:28} and Jesus wasn't teaching giving options like they do, because these Rabbis wanted to allow people choose any group, their teachings is optional but Jesus teach as if there's no other option! Matthew 7:28-29 compare to John 14:6

So since these people claiming Christians today are not connected to the right source you will always see them give options in their standards for worship, that's why they've multiplied schools of thought in the name of DENOMINATIONS whereas they have contradicting teachings and conflicting doctrines so that each person can choose the teacher that soothes his/her liken! 2Timothy 4:3

Therefore the result of their teachings is confusion everybody can face any direction all in the name of Jesus! Luke 11:23

May you have PEACE!

Amen, may peace be yours also

johnw47:


know nothing shidof, once again, quote the lies and rubbish, oh coward and false accuser:

rev 21:8 But people who are cowardly, unfaithful, detestable, murderers, sexually immoral, sorcerers, idolaters, and all liars will find themselves in the lake that burns with fire and sulfur. This is the second death.

Lol! You're still not passing any message. You're just displaying thuggish behaviour

johnw47:


fat shidof, quote the garbage and stop running like a scared rabbit, oh confused and boasting liar and false accuser
like false jw's and your daddy the devil:

john 8:44 Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.

how does this show us that Jesus Christ is God . Stop deviating from the point of discussion kid. You're delusional

johnw47:

shidof:

Signature: The difference between stupidity and genius is that genius has its limits...

well at least you know that much, @underline you know it first hand

That message is meant for congenital and permanent dumbass like you @johnw47

johnw47:


dope, you still cannot post the quotes where i'm contradicting
confusing, opposing the bible, lying and incoherent with illogical epistles

you just a big liar and false accuser like the fales jw's

go to islam forum or forum for dummies, you might understand something there

I can see that you're really pained kid. You're so pained that you can't even defend yourself again, instead you started throwing tantrums around so that we can accept your baseless assumptions. You can't win in a logical discussion of this nature. Cover your shameless face with tears and run to meet your sheep. They're are the only one that can digest all this your lies and rubbish without doing their own research.

johnw47:


a fool doesn't know the bible and believes there are contradictions there
and yet you use it
there are no contradictions in God's word, there are some poor translations
and there is lack of understanding, which you and fraud jw suffer from big time

lack of understanding in Bible that's written in plain English. You should have told me that I required holy spirit to understand it now. Bunch of deceivers. You know you can't deceive me with all this your garbage and insult Mr congenital fool.

tctrills:

I am not but if you don't understand, you could have asked, how are they one and maybe we could look at some scripture

lol! No matter how hard you try to prove this. You will always end up confusing yourself even with scriptures because I'll give you a 1001 contradictory scriptures from the Bible as well

tctrills:
John 10.30 I and the father are one.

you're contradicting yourself, earlier you said Almighty God is different from Jesus Christ as a God. Now you're saying they're one. Which one should we choose

johnw47:

cowards fraud jw janosky and fellow know nothing shidof, u still cannot quote me
but just post the lies you hear from the voices in your head:

Rev 21:8  But for the cowardly and unbelieving and abominable and murderers and immoral persons and sorcerers and idolaters and all liars, their part will be in the lake that burns with fire and brimstone, which is the second death.

I stop quoting you because you're contradicting and confusing yourself including opposing the Bible as well. Check all the Bible verses I posted where it was stated that Jesus isn't God and Even from Jesus Christ mouth itself where he denied being God when he was asked. If you can deny that those verses aren't in the Bible or not the word of Jesus Christ then I'll accept all your lies, incoherent and illogical epistles

tctrills:

You asked a good question, how many God do we have?
There are many Gods and Jesus Christ is one of them. His father, the Almighty God is also one.
We do not worship all the God's. We only worship Jesus Christ and the Almighty God.
Philippians 2:10

So, you're worshiping two Gods based on your

johnw47:


The Word of God did, who became the Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ
Joh 1:1  In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 
Joh 1:2  The same was in the beginning with God. 
Joh 1:3  All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.

Joh 1:14  And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.


The Word of God:
Col 1:16  For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him: 
Col 1:17  And he is before all things, and by him all things consist.


you don't know God's word/the bible at all, you should try preaching islam, but not to me

You're still throwing out illogical jibe. Are you saying that before the coming of Jesus Christ. What we had was just the Word of God, that we don't have God until when the Word of God metamorphosis to God which is Jesus Christ. Lol

tctrills:

He isn't the one the bible refers to as the Almighty God but much of your facts about him are not correct. Remember in John 8.58 Jesus Declared, before Abraham, I am.
Also in John 1. 1-5 1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2 He was with God in the beginning. 3 Through him all things were made; without him, nothing was made that has been made. 4 In him was life, and that life was the light of all mankind. 5 The light shines in the darkness, and the darkness has not overcome it.
Christ was the creator.
Finally, his life was not taken John 10.18 No man taketh it from me, but I lay it down of myself. I have power to lay it down, and I have power to take it again. This commandment have I received of my Father.
I hope these help

You said Jesus Christ wasn't the Almighty God the Bible referenced and you still said that he was the Creator. Creator of what if I may ask?. And being with God in the beginning doesn't equate to him being the same as the God.

Janosky:

John W have said his own version of Jesus is God in the flesh.
Confused 3 Gods Polytheist.

The guy is just confusing himself and ascertain my earlier submission that Jesus isn't God with all his illogical and incoherent epistle. 3 in 1 Gods. Lmfao

hupernikao:


You must observe well, all the testimonies of the prophets in the scriptures, their writings and prophecies to understand why Jesus is the God of OT. This will become clear when you read their writings properly. They spoke in clear terms of a God, that will come in human flesh to save. This is the basis of the doctrine.

When you read the whole Bible together, this will make more sense to you.

That
1. The God in Genesis was the one who is only from the beginning (one God).

2. The same God is who came in human flesh as Jesus, a man, called the son of God.

This is the reason, Jesus, the man was referred to as God, because of his preexistence as God.


So, Jesus, a man, existed as the only God in the beginning but came to us in humanity. Hence why he can suffer, die and cry. Those are traits of a man not God. God can't die. Hence he exhibited all traits of man in his humanity.


So, when ever, you mention Jesus always know you will see the attribute of man in display, as that was God in the flesh (man). This is why and how salvation of man was possible.

You still didn't give any verified source which ascertain that Jesus Christ is God. You can't use just your brain to write an epistle without any Bible Verses that showed us Jesus is God or any verse where by Jesus Christ pronounced himself as God and expect me to accept your claim just like that.

FreedomfromtheT:
I said it! You are obviously one of those whose minds are sealed. I am not responding because of you but because of those whose minds are open. I quoted a lot of verses showing that Jesus is God and explaining why He had to subordinate Himself to the Father. As for your false assertion that I can't support Trinity with one verse of the Bible, I want those who are not blind to read Matthew 28:20;
John 1:1; John 20:28; Acts 5: 3,4; Acts 20:28; Hebrews 9:13,14; 1st Timothy 3:16; Revelation 1:8 and specifically 1st John 5:7 which reads" For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word (Jesus Christ) and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one". That is Trinity right there. As for Trinity being illogical (from the human perspective), may be, but as for being supported by a biblical verse, as those who are not blind can see, there more than one verse showing that just as the Father is God, Jesus Christ is God and the Holy Ghost (or Holy Spirit) is equally God. Thank you.

You're still not giving the right answers. You quoted Bible and I quoted bibles verses that showed that Jesus isn't God for you. Guess you've your own version or understanding of the Bible that differs from everyone own or can you denying any of the Bible verses I quoted above. Those that have eyes and clear understanding can see that what you quoted didn't Justify that Jesus is God or do we still need holy spirit to understand Bible that was written in plain English. Your obstinate nature and blind doctrines won't make you accept the fact that's even clear to the blind.

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MaxInDHouse:

According to Apostle Paul there are many Gods but when the Bible say many Gods then the next question is how many do faithful servants of God worship?
The Bible referred to both Moses and Jesus as God {Exodus 7:1; John 1:1} while Moses and Jesus acknowledged that even though they lived as Gods in the midst of humans they're not to be worshiped rather there is a greater God that they themselves worship! Deuteronomy 6:4; Mark 12:29
This is the God Moses knew as the Almighty God {Exodus 6:2-3 compare to Psalms 83:18} and Jesus also referred to as his father and our father and his God and God! John 20:17
So both Moses and Jesus agreed that worship belongs to another person totally different and greater than them! John 14:28

Thanks for the clarification. I love the way you break down everything. Well understood

FreedomfromtheT:
Jesus told us that He is the ALMIGHTY in Revelation 1:8. He can't be the ALMIGHTY without being God. He has no beginning (Micah 5:2). Thomas called Him God and He didn't repudiate that (John 20:28). 1st Timothy 3:16 tells us "And without controversy, great is the mystery of godliness: GOD was manifested in the flesh, justified in the spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory". And who is 1st Timothy 3:16 referring to? Of course, it is referring to JESUS CHRIST. While in the flesh, Jesus Christ deliberately derobbed Himself of His nature of God. He became subservient to the Father, prayed to Him and depended on Him. He was obedient to the Father even unto death on the Cross for the salvation of humanity. It was deliverate. He teaches us humility by so doing (Philipians 2:3-. Yes, Jesus Christ is not the same as the Father but He is God all the same. That brings up the idea of the Trinity - the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit, which some confused minds do not understand. If course they can't because the Scriptures call it a mystery. With these few points of mine, I don't expect to convince those whose minds have been sealed that Jesus Christ is God.

Trinity is illogical, you can't support it with a biblical Verse. As you can see above, we've got many verses in Bible that showed us that Jesus Christ isn't God even Jesus said the same thing himself except you're denying the Bible or the Bible is contradicting itself

Bishopkingsley:


https://www.nairaland.com/6625953/bible-proves-jesus-god

All what you wrote there didn't justify that Jesus is God.

This is part of the reasons you gave
1 Corinthians 8:6 “Yet for us there is one God, the Father, from whom are all things and for whom we exist, and one Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom are all things and through whom we exist.”

I've a question for you on it.
Can 1 and 2 = 1,
can Bishopkingsley and Shidof = Shidof ?
So, how can God, the father and Jesus Christ = God. It's illogical and no mathematics or logic rules can back that

MaxInDHouse:



Jesus is God just like Moses {Exodus 7:1} but not the Almighty God! Exodus 6:2-3; Psalms 83:18

but some people believe Jesus is the same as the Almighty God. Besides, how many God do you even think we have

Bishopkingsley:
Matthew 28:19 ►
Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit,


Yes

And this still shows that Jesus isn't God cos he was ordered by the God Almighty

chiedu7:


As Jesus Himself said, you know neither the bible nor the word of God

Mark 12:24
ye know not the scriptures, neither the power of God?

Jesus is the Lord of Sabbath,which means the Jews worshiped Him

Mark 2:28
Therefore the Son of man is Lord also of the sabbath

Thats Why David called Jesus His Lord

Matthew 22
42 Saying, What think ye of Christ? whose son is he? They say unto him, The son of David.

43 He saith unto them, How then doth David in spirit call him Lord, saying,

44 The Lord said unto my Lord, Sit thou on my right hand, till I make thine enemies thy footstool?

45 If David then call him Lord, how is he his son?

Because Jesus said that before Abraham was the Father of the Jews was, He Jesus Christ is "I AM" not "I WAS but I AM". This means Jesus lacks a beginning

John 8:58
Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I am.

Jesus has always been, when He died on the cross the body died not the spirit.
Jesus gave the Father His spirit, so the body could die

Luke 23:46
And when Jesus had cried with a loud voice, he said, Father, into thy hands I commend my spirit: and having said thus, he gave up the ghost.

Since His spirit was alive ,He Jesus took up His body to avoid rot

John 10
17 Therefore doth my Father love me, because I lay down my life, that I might take it again.

18 No man taketh it from me, but I lay it down of myself. I have power to lay it down, and I have power to take it again. This commandment have I received of my Father.

Jesus said He is the Almighty, Remember Jesus is to come not the Father

Revelation 1:8
I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty.

So yes Jesus is FULL GOD, thats why the bible said that everything about being God is in Jesus. Including being almighty

Colossians 2:9
For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.

So Yes Jesus is God Almighty who died for fools like you & sinners like me

Amateur bible disputer you are

Jesus never instructed his disciples to worship him;
‘When you pray, say Our Father which art in heaven.’ (Luke 11:2)

‘In that day, you shall ask me nothing. Whatsoever you ask of the Father in my name.’ (John 16:23)

‘The hour cometh and now is, when the true worshippers shall worship the Father in spirit and in truth; for the Father seeketh such to worship him.’ (John 4:23)


Bible says that Jesus is subordinate to God
‘Now I want you to realize that the head of every man is Christ, and the head of the woman is man, and the head of Christ is God.’ (1 Corinthians 11:3)

On Jesus died for sinners like you;
To a christian like you that believed Jesus Christ is God, You mean that God Almighty had to take human form to understand temptation and human suffering, but the concept is not based on any clear words of Jesus. In contrast, God does not need to be tempted and suffer in order to be able to understand and forgive man’s sins, for He is the all knowing Creator of man. This is expressed in the verse:

‘And the Lord said: ‘I have surely seen the affliction of My people that are in Egypt, and I have heard their cry because of their taskmasters; for I know their pains.’ (Exodus 3:7)

God forgave sin before Jesus’ appearance, and He continues to forgive without any assistance. When a believer sins, he may come before God in sincere repentance to receive forgiveness. Indeed, the offer to humble oneself before God and be saved is made to all humankind.

‘And there is no God else beside Me; a just God and a Savior; there is none beside Me. Look to Me, and be saved, all the ends of the earth; for I am God, and there is none else.’ (Isaiah 45:21-22, Jonah 3:5-10

‘When he has done this, then the son himself will be made subject to him who put everything under him, so that God may be all in all.’ (1 Corinthians 15:28

chiedu7:


As Jesus Himself said, you know neither the bible nor the word of God

Mark 12:24
ye know not the scriptures, neither the power of God?

Jesus is the Lord of Sabbath,which means the Jews worshiped Him

Mark 2:28
Therefore the Son of man is Lord also of the sabbath

Thats Why David called Jesus His Lord

Matthew 22
42 Saying, What think ye of Christ? whose son is he? They say unto him, The son of David.

43 He saith unto them, How then doth David in spirit call him Lord, saying,

44 The Lord said unto my Lord, Sit thou on my right hand, till I make thine enemies thy footstool?

45 If David then call him Lord, how is he his son?

Because Jesus said that before Abraham was the Father of the Jews was, He Jesus Christ is "I AM" not "I WAS but I AM". This means Jesus lacks a beginning

John 8:58
Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I am.

Jesus has always been, when He died on the cross the body died not the spirit.
Jesus gave the Father His spirit, so the body could die

Luke 23:46
And when Jesus had cried with a loud voice, he said, Father, into thy hands I commend my spirit: and having said thus, he gave up the ghost.

Since His spirit was alive ,He Jesus took up His body to avoid rot

John 10
17 Therefore doth my Father love me, because I lay down my life, that I might take it again.

18 No man taketh it from me, but I lay it down of myself. I have power to lay it down, and I have power to take it again. This commandment have I received of my Father.

Jesus said He is the Almighty, Remember Jesus is to come not the Father

Revelation 1:8
I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty.

So yes Jesus is FULL GOD, thats why the bible said that everything about being God is in Jesus. Including being almighty

Colossians 2:9
For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.

So Yes Jesus is God Almighty who died for fools like you & sinners like me

Amateur bible disputer you are

I can see that you're immature and a congenital fool because if not you won't be throwing tantrums in a harmless discussion.

Can you give me any verse in the Bible where Jesus Christ unambiguously declare himself as the God.


Jesus called a man many times in the Bible
‘a man who has told you the truth’ (John 8:40)

‘Jesus the Nazarene, a man attested to you by God with miracles and wonders and signs which God performed through Him in your midst, just as you yourselves know.’ (Acts 2:22)

‘He will judge the world in righteousness through a man whom He has appointed’ (Acts 17:31)

‘the man Christ Jesus’ (Tim. 2:5

Bible verses that says God is not Man
Numbers 23:19
19 God is not a man, that he should lie; neither the son of man, that he should repent: hath he said, and shall he not do it? or hath he spoken, and shall he not make it good?


For I am God, and not man’ (Hosea 11:9).

Isaiah 45:5

I am the LORD, and there is no other; apart from me there is no God. I will strengthen you, though you have not acknowledged me.


When Jesus was accused of being God and he denied it.

The son can do nothing of himself, but what he sees the Father do’; and directly after ‘I can of mine own self do nothing.’ (John 5:19, 30)

In answer to the charge of making himself God, he appeals to the Jews in substance thus: Your own Scriptures call Moses a god, and your magistrates gods; I am surely not inferior to them, yet I did not call myself God, but only the ‘son’ of God (John 10:34-36).

johnw47:


The Lord Jesus Christ is "The Word of God" in the flesh

before Jesus became Man He is called "The Word of God"
and when He ascended back to heaven,
He is again called "The Word of God" john 1 and revelation 19


Joh 1:1  In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 
Joh 1:2  He was in the beginning with God.

Joh 1:14  And the Word became flesh, and dwelt among us, and we saw His glory, glory as of the only begotten from the Father, full of grace and truth.

Rev 19:13  He is clothed with a robe dipped in blood, and His name is called The Word of God.




Joh 1:3  All things came into being through Him, and apart from Him nothing came into being that has come into being.

Col 1:16  For by Him all things were created, both in the heavens and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or rulers or authorities—all things have been created through Him and for Him. 
Col 1:17  He is before all things, and in Him all things hold together.

In summary, how does that Word of God equate to God. And can you give me any verse in the Bible where Jesus Christ unambiguously declare himself as the God.


Bible verses that says God is not Man
Numbers 23:19
19 God is not a man, that he should lie; neither the son of man, that he should repent: hath he said, and shall he not do it? or hath he spoken, and shall he not make it good?


For I am God, and not man’ (Hosea 11:9).

Isaiah 45:5

I am the LORD, and there is no other; apart from me there is no God. I will strengthen you, though you have not acknowledged me.

When Jesus was accused of being God and he denied it

The son can do nothing of himself, but what he sees the Father do’; and directly after ‘I can of mine own self do nothing.’ (John 5:19, 30)

In answer to the charge of making himself God, he appeals to the Jews in substance thus: Your own Scriptures call Moses a god, and your magistrates gods; I am surely not inferior to them, yet I did not call myself God, but only the ‘son’ of God (John 10:34-36).

Lovelies1:


What bible version are you using cause he never said he his not God, if not give me a bible verse that said such

As for your write up

Why then do you accuse me of blasphemy because I said, ‘I am God’s Son’?

Jesus ask the people, in their book of record they accepted that men are small gods or even gods then why should they accused him of blasphemy if he should be call the son of God, doesn't change the fact if they call him God he won't accept it

You call me `Teacher' and `Lord,' and rightly so, for that is what I am

John 13: 13

Even by your Isaiah 2:2-3, 54:13

New International Version, king James version, think of any other versions of the Bible and check it from there. I no dey use Pentecostal Bible. See the way you're twisting Jesus words as if you're in his mind or you lived together. So in your own understanding, Son and son of God are the Same. Bye bye, Done with you cos I can see that your knowledge of Bible isn't that adequate and your obstinate nature won't make you accept the fact

Lovelies1:


You say why don't you accept God but you yourself said you haven't seen God, but people of the old had a relationship with a certain person name Jesus and this people wrote down the behavior of this man since we are all humans we can easily relate with a behavior being express like one of us .

You can't use your medulla oblongata to arrive at the Conclusion that Jesus is God. It's beyond your knowledge. So because people have seen and relate with Jesus Christ. We should just accept him as God?? Hahahaha.

Lovelies1:


Isaiah 54:13
John 13:13

Neither did I say my words but I gave you bible verses

When Jesus was accused of being God and he denied it

The son can do nothing of himself, but what he sees the Father do’; and directly after ‘I can of mine own self do nothing.’ (John 5:19, 30)

In answer to the charge of making himself God, he appeals to the Jews in substance thus: Your own Scriptures call Moses a god, and your magistrates gods; I am surely not inferior to them, yet I did not call myself God, but only the ‘son’ of God (John 10:34-36).

Lovelies1:


Isaiah 54:13
John 13:13

Neither did I say my words but I gave you bible verses

and no justification or any unambiguous statement that Jesus Christ equal to God in the Bible. Except you're contradicting the Bible or the Bible is contradicting itself.