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EducationRe: Oyedepo Defends Fees Charged By Private Universities by Shock(m): 4:49pm On Sep 21, 2014
Dhotseal: Dude! Why don't u go make some money and send your kids to the best schools. Why is it your business to worry about the common man? Covenant University isn't for common men.

The richest countries in the world also have common men, just make sure u ain't a common man. Strive to be uncommon and watch the common men whine and complain. The common man never changes anything...just pawns to be used in the game of life.

NL so full of common men thinking common thoughts and making do with whatever life throws at them. I hate to be common, that's why I am uncommon in every way. You too can chose to be uncommon, just hope it ain't too late going by the sound of u.
oh shut it with your bloody diatribe already. Sounds like the sort of manure that you are being sold in your schools - to justify the extortion and fleecing.

Face it you are no Stephen Hawkings, Che Guevara, Steve Jobs or Micheal Faraday.

Chances are, you are just one of the millions of people that leave school for a paid employment. You will never change your world. You will get married, have kids and die in your old age, just like every other person! Nothing makes you special. YOU ARE A COMMON MAN!
Foreign AffairsRe: White House Makes It Official : US “at War” With IS by Shock(m): 12:32am On Sep 16, 2014
shymexx: Interesting, I must say.

However, I'll like to put two things out there, based on my own understanding of the complexities involved in the whole madness:

1). Personally, I don't even think there are any "moderate" rebels left in Syria (if there were actually any) since their morale is low, and they've not made any for over a year now - apart from a few pockets of Sunni tribal militants, who're fighting both Assad and ISIS, just to protect their own villages. The bulk of those doing the fighting in Syria are Islamists, and a lot of them are foreigners who travelled to Syria, for Jihad.

2). No matter what the US does in Syria, the end game will be the Libyan quagmire. They should've thought about that before trying to force regime change in the country. Now, the crisis in Syria gave birth to ISIS, and that also has destabilised Iraq. And Iraq looks like it's going to end up being balkinised based on how stronger the Kurds are getting by day. And once the Kurds get what they want and where they want to be militarily, I doubt anyone will be able to stop them from declaring their own country. Ditto Kurds in Syria. Also, if Assad is replaced - I doubt the Alawaties would want to remain in a "united" Syria. The whole place is a mess.
I agree on that first point. I think it is likely that American policy makers are aware that there's no chance in hell that the tide of war will ever favor Assad oppositions - so their next best strategy is to call a few radicals by the name "moderate"/"vetted" rebels and provide them with arms till at least Assad comes back to the negotiating table.

- The complexities involved are too much. I have just read an article that states that American authorities are actually co-operating with Assad on the ground, despite their public claims that they wouldn't do so! - I wouldn't be too surprised if this news were true. The Obama administration has shown its willingness to do several of such "back-room" deals in the past - from its dealings with Iran, which left Israel in the dark, to exchanging POWs with Talibans, which left several members of congress stunned. It is therefore very likely that America is secretly working with Iran and Syria while publicly denouncing those claims.
Foreign AffairsRe: Reasons Why Obama Is By Far The Worst President by Shock(m): 7:24pm On Sep 14, 2014
Did not fix the American economy? what rubbish!!!!

You must be on some cheap weed!
Foreign AffairsRe: White House Makes It Official : US “at War” With IS by Shock(m):
shymexx: Firstly, sticking to plan is where it gets tricky because the US is trying to fight ISIS on one hand in Syria, while also trying to arm the "moderate" FSA rebels on the other hand, to overthrow Assad (based on all the statements in the media this week and NATO summit in Wales last week). And that's mission creep right there - with the plausibility of friendly fire against Syrian forces and Hezbollah.

Secondly, if the US views Assad's government as illegitimate, despite the legitimacy it got at the polling boot during the last election. What makes you think the US would view flying in the Syrian airspace, without consultations with Assad, as a violation?

Thirdly, degrading Syria's sophisticated air defense system is one thing. However, once that happens, the West would be sucked into putting boots on the ground, to oust Assad - and also to take on ISIS. Moreover, air strikes against ISIS in Syria would more or less be a waste of time, since ISIS and the FSA rebels are more or less intertwined in Syria - unlike Iraq where everyone, from the Kurds, to the Iraqi army, to the Shiite militias, to Sunni tribal militias are more or less the ground troops taking on ISIS, with air support from the US.

Also, ISIS are somewhat more acquainted to the Syrian terrain(Iraqi terrain is a new one), since they have been fighting there for more than three years - with a huge swathe under their control - and they've been able to build a defense mechanism against Syrian air strikes in that terrain. Evidently, US air strikes won't solve anything - it will just be business as usual.

Finally, ISIS have the covert support of Turkey, Qatar, and Saudi Arabia (especially in Syria since they're the ones doing the heavy fighting there) - and Turkey for example is a member of NATO. While both Qatar and Saudi Arabia are US allies. The whole thing is more complex than you think.
Quiet insightful. I agree that the situation in Syria is complicated for different reasons. Here, there is ISIS and then there's the moderate rebels - and the lines are pretty blurred between the two as it appears that it only comes down to labels and definitions - but both of them have a common enemy. Then there's Assad, who common enemies are ISIS and moderate rebels. The there's the US and a host of other countries that support the moderate rebels, but do not support ISIS or Assad.

It's all just chaotic!

My view is that the US knows that there is no alternative to Assad in Syria - but given how far it has come in criticising Assad and pushing for his exit, it will lose all credibility with its partners if it decides to back pedal on its Syrian policies at this point.


What is however unclear is whether or not the US views Assad as a worse alternative than ISIS. If it does, then i think it is likely that the US wouldn't do much in Syria for now except intelligence gathering.

My view is that the so called coalition will seek to contain ISIS to Syria in the short to medium term while leaving the options open to strike over the longer term. It is likely the case that the US will focus on recovering as much ground as possible in Iraq. This will include places such as Tirkrit, Mosul and Ramadi. As the Kurdish/Iraq forces become more confident, they are expected to hold on to their territorial gains and force ISIS fighters back over the boarder into Syria.

The presence of ISIS in Syria will become heavier and increase pressure on Assad. The US may make one or two strikes, but ultimately will not do any heavy lifting. Obama talked about a "slow and resilient" effort. Syria may become more chaotic, but the US can simply afford to wait things out.
Foreign AffairsRe: White House Makes It Official : US “at War” With IS by Shock(m): 8:05pm On Sep 13, 2014
shymexx: The whole thing looks like mission creep already, with the inclusion of Syria in the folds - without a vote for that at the UN security council. Also, both Obama and David Cameron have declared Assad's government as illegitimate. And that obviously means they can violate Syrian airspace and territorial integrity, without Assad's permission.

Let's say, Syria for example shoots down a US fighter jet (the Syrian air defense system is one of the most sophisticated in MENA), that might lead to something else. Or, Syrian troops (or its Hezbollah and Shia proxies) become targets of US "friendly fire" and things escalate from there?

Furthermore, I don't even think ISIS can be defeated without troops on the ground - they're too organised and sophisticated for aerial attacks to have any meaningful impact on, in Syria. Except they're also planning to use the Kurds in Syria against them - and that looks unlikely.

Anyway, anywhere the US goes, the UK is definitely going to follow suit - that's what the special friendship is about.
If the US sticks with its plan to target only ISIS in Syria, the Syrian government may scream publicly about Airspace violation, but privately, it will consider it a welcome development. It is unlikely that Assad may deliberately choose to shoot down a US war plane - since this will only give the US an incentive to degrade the so called sophisticated air defense system.

ISIS cannot be defeated without troops on the ground - but as evidence from Iraq as shown so far, the precision strikes by US aircraft has weakened their momentum - more strikes can only mean good thing.
Foreign AffairsRe: Dutch Safety Board Says MH17 Broke Apart Due To External Factors by Shock(m):
That stupid Russian Midget should be tried for international crimes for his role in the murder of more than 200 people.

The Russians are masters at lying and obfuscation. When Putin invaded Crimea, he lied through his teeth that there were no Russian troops on Ukrainian soil. But as soon as the annexation of Crimea became a fait accompli, Putin admits that they were Russian soldiers all along.

There's no doubt, that the MH17 was shot down by the thugs backed by Putin. Russia may lie and try to obfuscate the facts, but no one is really getting fooled.
Foreign AffairsRe: How Can You Tell Whether Russia Has Invaded Ukraine? by Shock(m): 4:05am On Sep 02, 2014
Looks like you are a mouth piece for the Kremlin midget.

There's something called covert invasion, you dumbass! - Here's out it works.

1) Send thousands of your military into a neighbouring country along with Tanks, artillery, howtizers etc.

2) Claim they are only "volunteers"/ Russian soldiers on leave (Who knew that when soldiers go on leave in Russia they take their tanks with them?)

3)If caught, claim that those Soldiers got lost - 60 km into an adversary's territory

4) Lie, then lie some more, say on Repeat "there is no Russian military involvement in Ukraine", say it over and over again, till the mindless Russian populace and their brainless African sympathizers believe it.
Car TalkRe: Drive To Nigeria From The Uk / Europe by Shock(m): 11:37pm On Aug 31, 2014
I can only imagine the joy of doing this in a Range or a G wagon
Christianity EtcRe: Britons Oppose Oyedepo's School Over "Slaps-Giving" Video by Shock(m): 11:56am On Aug 31, 2014
Well done to the Brits for stoking up debates about the morality of a child beater setting up institutions that cater for children. Us Nigerians are too stuck up in our tooshie to attempt a standing up to - lest we invite the anger of the almighty one upon us for calling out a child beater who did so in the name of the lord.

The Brits don't believe in witchcraft and all of that nonsense and neither do they believe that anyone is too important to call to account for their unsociable attitude. Therefore, it is only logical that they refuse to let their society be corrupted by such values. Well done to the Brits.
Foreign AffairsRe: Don't Mess With Nuclear Russia Putin Says by Shock(m):
Missy89: NATO doesn't have a first use policy. They have a strong conventional force and Russia does not. During the cold war when the conventional forces were pretty much the same, Brezhnev changed the soviet doctrine to a no first use policy as well but it was reversed by Yeltsin since NATO expanded to their border.

Using WMD is an act of weakness not strength because you will have to kill a lot of civilians in the process. by 2020 if Russia finish modernizing its military, maybe they will change their doctrine back to the soviet times. And all sides will cut their nukes to a few thousands.
My point is pretty straightforward - If an aggressor chooses to attack Russia, it wouldn't do so with conventional forces, knowing fully well that Russia will respond with nuclear strike. A potential aggressor is much likely to resort to a devastating first nuclear strike that will only leave its adversary with limited second strike. - National policies of a first or second strike doctrine are pretty useless in my opinion. No country ever truly aim to use their nuclear weapons in a second strike capacity. China has a second strike doctrine, but if China has strong indications that the US may likely launch an attack against it, it is not likely that China will adhere to its policy of second strike doctrine.

It's become a common thing to say now that "NATO expanded to Russia's border", but in reality it is the other way round. That is, Russia expanded Nato to their own borders. NATO only promises its members one thing - "An attack on one is an attack on all". Surely if Russia was at peace with its neighbours, then they have absolutely no reason to join NATO. Recent events in Ukraine shows what happens when you trust the Bear a little too much. It is why countries like Lithuania and Estonia remain glad that they made the decision to join NATO when the chance came on.

On Friday, Putin said on TV that Kazakhstan is not a really a state!!!! it appears that the Bear has his sights somewhere else once he is done wrecking Ukraine. And people wonder why NATO keeps enlarging? LOL.

I disagree that using a WMD is necessarily an act of weakness. America used nuclear strikes against Japan during WW2 - a lot of civillians died in the process, but it brought the war to an end.
Foreign AffairsRe: Ukraine Seeks To Join NATO by Shock(m): 2:17pm On Aug 30, 2014
Ukraine will never be allowed into NATO. Same thing with Georgia.

All the Baltics states that managed to join NATO back in the 90s were lucky. Now NATO is unlikely to take on new members from "high risk" countries who ironically, needs NATO the most.
Foreign AffairsRe: Don't Mess With Nuclear Russia Putin Says by Shock(m): 1:31pm On Aug 30, 2014
Bluetooth2: Are you serious ? What of the US that organizes military exercises with Japan, South korea and her other allies ?

Crimea and East ukraine are buffer zones so Russia cannot just sit and let what she suffered during world wars to befall her again.

Mind you the Warsaw Pact is still technically alive.
I am not sure what organizing military exercises has to do with bellicose statements by the leader of a nuclear state. It is irresponsible at worst, desperation at best. Those statements are quite as similar to - the Ayotollah's "Wiping Israel out" : Nikita's "We will bury you" : and several variants that you often hear from North Korea.

The idea that Crimea and East Ukraine are acceptable buffer zones simply because Ukraine sits next to Russia is plain ridiculous. Russia is the largest country in the world by land mass spanning 9 time zones. Crimea and Eastern Ukraine are of little use to providing guarantees for Russia's security. As a matter of fact, the US/NATO or any potential adversary does not need to be in Ukraine to launch an attack on Russia - So why is Russia tearing Ukraine apart?

The Warsaw pact? Are you F**k*** kidding?

Bulgaria, Romania, Poland, Hungary, Czech Republic, Lativa, Lithuania, Estonia, Albania, Slovakia, Slovenia....

all of these countries that were once members of the Warsaw pact are now the staunchest NATO members. Guess why? Because they all felt threatened by Russia. Why is Georgia & Ukraine after steadfastly pursing NATO membership? Because they both feel threatened by Russia. Why is Finland and Sweden, countries which have maintained a position of neutrality for more than 200 years inching towards NATO? Because they feel threatened by Russia!!
Foreign AffairsRe: Don't Mess With Nuclear Russia Putin Says by Shock(m): 10:05am On Aug 30, 2014
Missy89: Since 2000, Russia military doctrine stated that Russia reserves the right to use nuclear weapons "in response to a large-scale conventional aggression.

any invasion of the country would result into a huge catastrophe for the aggressor
The logic here assumes that a "large scale conventional aggression" against Russia will leave Russia with enough capabilities to strike the aggressor with a huge catastrophe -

But surely it makes sense that an aggressor will aim to strike as hard as possible with every nuclear options at its disposal to ensure that even if Russia chooses to retaliate the damages to it will be minimal?

E.g - why will an aggressor strike Moscow with conventional bombs when he or she has the capabilities to destroy the whole of Russia in a single strike? -
Foreign AffairsRe: Don't Mess With Nuclear Russia Putin Says by Shock(m): 10:32pm On Aug 29, 2014
The statement shows more of weakness than strength. It is the sort of things you would have expected from North Korean Leaders.

No reasonable countries "boast" publicly of their nuclear deterrent except when they are really desperate to show their relevance.
Foreign AffairsRe: Japanese Tsunami, Road Repaired Six Days After----pictures! by Shock(m): 10:29pm On Aug 29, 2014
mystikal: Impressive work mehn> Thats major work right there people. Even the sides of the road after the barriers remade as well.
Foreign AffairsRe: Israel Attacks Syria For The Third Time During Syrian Civil War by Shock(m): 3:48pm On May 05, 2013
@OP

Just out of curiosity, what exactly was your purpose of creating this thread? Were you just looking for people who will agree with you?

I don't get it. You created a thread to have a discussion on a global issue. People came in here, presented their arguments without insulting you and the best way you could respond is with insults? If you already have strong opinions and will rather not engage anyone with a differing opinion, why put up a thread?

I suggest people should just stop responding to this poster and let this thread die a natural death.
CelebritiesRe: Shocking Earnings Of Yoruba Movie Stars by Shock(m): 12:32pm On Jan 22, 2013
PeterKbaba: You need to understand that acting in most Nigeria movies take on a month or 2, most of them act about 5 movies at the same time. Multiply 5 movies a month by 500k and you know the pay is not bad. What do you expect from an industry not been supported by the Gov.

You mean the government is meant to pay them for acting? Incredible.
CelebritiesRe: Shocking Earnings Of Yoruba Movie Stars by Shock(m): 11:47am On Jan 22, 2013
Now i know why actors like Jim Iyke took to swindling people.
CareerRe: Most Ridiculed And Rubbished Professions In Nigeria by Shock(m): 8:32pm On Aug 11, 2012
^^

OP's thread is clearly a poor miscalculated attempt at self glorification and gloating. I'm not sure how it's possible to see it in any other manner. His reference to "some big boys of those days who now earn less than he does" infers that he's now getting highly paid and will like to poke fun at people who are not as lucky as him. Sometimes, threads like this works finely on Nairaland, and other times, it doesn't. This time, it's not working, and the OP has simply attempted a damaged control by screaming "You are all getting me wrong".

He sounds like Mitt Romney to me.
CareerRe: Whats The Average Income That Is Enough For An Average Nigerian Guy? by Shock(m): 10:07pm On Jul 11, 2012
tanimola22: House rent (2-bedroom or 1 bedroom): 20K (max) on the mainland
Food: 10k
Transportation: 20K

Savings and Others: X, where X>>>0

So, you will need 50+X which is more than 50, since X must be a tangible amount of money to cover savings and other expenses.

I will peg an average salary at 93K/month.

Currency is Naira.

T22
a few questions for your sugar kiss

and how did you arrive at 93 from your calculations?
why the exact figure?
why is x not 95 or 92 or 90?
does your calculation take into account prevailing inflation rates?
does your calculation take into account energy prices and the trend in consumer spending patterns?
does your calculation take into account the average productivity of labor?
how does your calculation differ from the current minimum wage and why, if any, is there such a dispersion?

Last but not the least, is your calculation completely useless? i.e, you could have just pulled out a random number from the start rather pulling than the dramatic scene of x + y

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RomanceRe: Man Gets Stuck On Woman (east African Magun At Work) ---video! by Shock(m): 11:56pm On May 14, 2012
chei!!! shocked shocked shocked

this life don end! Boys be careful where you stick your sticks. Condom no dey catch magun o
PoliticsRe: Open Letter To Alhaji Aliko Dangote On Northern Nigeria And Boko Haram by Shock(m): 10:31am On Apr 29, 2012
Orikinla: This article is not about CHARITY you [size=28pt]id-io-ts[/size].

We are talking about needs assessment and investment.

Mr. Dangote made the bulk of his billions from importing goods for decades and what the Hausas needed most were manufacturing industries to produce finished products from their own cash crops and livestock.
If Dangote and his peers in public service and private sector did not neglect their people, Kano and other northern states would not be so underdeveloped.

We spend billions of dollars to import junk foods and other goods we can produce in Nigeria and lack of regular power supply cannot stop that.

Go and study Roger Kaufman.
Have you in all honesty or your parents, or your grandparents or the friends of your family, for once opened a business because you feel that's what "Your people" needed the most? or are you not part of this "Private Sector"?

Dangote's money is not public money. He earned his money, by his own sweat. If you, by yourself, are not investing in schools and hospitals, then you have absolutely no right to scream blood because an individual decide to throw his money where he prefers to.

Dangote is NOT the federal government, Dangote is a businessman, he shouldn't have to carry the cross of his people because he was unfortunate enough to be rich!


It's probably not enough that his companies combined already pay massive tax to the federal government and employs many thousands of Nigerians, now you want to hold him responsible for underdevelopment in his own state again? Tell me, what exactly is the job of the government then?
PoliticsRe: Do We Nigerians Really Live In Less Than One Dollar Par Day ? by Shock(m): 4:12am On Jan 31, 2012
Kobojunkie:
[size=13pt]I think @Violent is simply trying to show that it is possible to live on less than a dollar a day in Nigeria. I mean he stresses there that his monthly pay was at about Naira 11,000[/size], something that is new to many Nigerians today given that only a couple of months ago, minimum wage was still at about Naira 6500, and I knew many people who had about that as their take home pay, even through the food scarcity of 2008/2009.

It is too easy for people to come in to post non-researched claims of how it is impossible to live on less than a dollar a day in Nigeria, when in reality there are TONS, not some, but TONS of examples of people who live on, and still live on less than a dollar a day, all over Nigeria.

An example is an aunt of mine who essentially lived on money my dad sent back to each every other month. She had a store but barely brought enough in for food. I remember going to stay with her at one point and realizing how bad her situation really was. She had a bachelors but no job so she opened a store in hopes she might excel in business or something. I manned the store with her for a period of almost 3 weeks and we barely had customers all that time. She was off to the store at 6am and didn't head back until after dark . . . . after 7pm or so. All this while she had to contend with bills coming in from other places. She had my dad who had all but accepted that he had to continue helping her until things changed for her. I ended up doing most of the grocery shopping with my own money as after the first time she asked me for money, I did not want her to go through that humiliating ordeal day after day.

Fortunately, she "escaped" to the US some years ago, and is doing far far better today.  She still tells stories of how she felt like the lowest of humans while she lived from "hand to mouth" year, after year.

I know some nimrod is probably going to come in and try to psychoanalyze her case, without knowing anything of her life but what I typed. So let me just tell you beforehand that you shove your psycho-nonsense up where the sun don't shine. I don't want to read it!
Thanks.

Does this really take Genius for anyone to understand?
PoliticsRe: Do We Nigerians Really Live In Less Than One Dollar Par Day ? by Shock(m): 11:35pm On Jan 30, 2012
kingoflag:
Lmao.

You I wont even blame. After all the aristos have destroyed you pu*ssy and messed up your womb with cold hard dic*k, at least they'll text you Phone Credits and give you extra for Brazilian weave and Cyber Cafe's so why wont you have mouth to come on here and talk rubbish? Then, when youre done with your "world tour", you'll end up tagging on mumus like Arosa, Violent and the other dummies on here and insist that they marry you, abi? No be your fault.

If your skull is so dry that you dont even know, or cant comprehend, the topic at hand, wont you just do us all a favor and just watch the fight from afar instead of throwing Subs that are bound to be replied with direct, putrid, and devastatingly vicious slaps?

What a wasted Generation!
How old are you again?

NO, see . . . . lol . . , we have actually had some come in to claim that ALL poor kids hawk and bring in about ~Naira 80 on average a day from the trade. How one goes about responding to such GOOF-BRAINED supposition, I have no clue.
Just a quick question, and just maybe the rabid dog around here may realize how by how much he's fooled himself, what exactly do you make of @violent's post on the NYSC thing? does it actually imply someone who's being boastful or is @kingoflag really being foolish?
PoliticsRe: Do We Nigerians Really Live In Less Than One Dollar Par Day ? by Shock(m): 10:13pm On Jan 30, 2012
When i was a serving Youth Corper in Ibadan, my "allawee" was 9500 naira and the secondary school i was employed paid an additional 2000 naira on a monthly basis, a total income of 11500. 

Guess what?  I survived!!! 

Eating two square meals a day was never the problem.  A carton of big sized noodles (which i will never finish in a month) sells for 1000 naira, A crate of egg goes for 150 naira (on the expensive side), A big slice of bread sells for 100 naira (i consume 2 a week, brings the budget to 800 naira a month)

That rounds up to 1950.  By the time i include buying Yams, Garri, Rice and pepper (enough for myself for a month). . .all of that will only take my budget close to 3000 naira per month.

I paid 3500 naira a month for my room (yes in Ibadan, there are room rates as low as this). . . .and 80 naira a day for my transport (40 naira to and fro)


All that still leaves me with 2600 naira a month in savings!. . .And i can still afford to recharge my phone with approximately 1500 a month.  I had two lines.  An MTN line for making midnight calls and a glo line for making free glo to glo calls
People are dumb sha.  which part of the post above implies that the writer is boasting? Even the slowest learner should know that the post implies someone who showed how he managed to survive on a very a tight budget, how come some dull people can't get that?
PoliticsRe: Do We Nigerians Really Live In Less Than One Dollar Par Day ? by Shock(m): 6:41pm On Jan 30, 2012
kingoflag:
Just submit yourself to the same Judge that just helped humanity get rid of another anuofia like Al-Mustapha. . . . remember to ask for the same judgement.

Olodo, what are we discussing: "DO (MOST) NIGERIANS LIVE ON LESS THAN $1/DAY?" or "DID VIOLENT LIVE IN TOTAL SQUALOR WHILE THINKING HE WAS 'BALLING' JUST BECAUSE HE HAD 2 PHONES, COULD RECHARGE THEM WITH N1500, MAKE FREE CALLS AT MIDNIGHT AND EAT NOODLES AND EGGS THAT WERE ON THE 'EXPENSIVE' SIDE?" .

No wonder you usually spend 11 years on a 4year course. Simple comprehension e no sabi. Ordinary answer e no fit give, come here dey try impress us with his suffer-head tales. Later, we go dey blame Government and University Governing bodies.

What a dummy!
I think you got him totally wrong.  He was explaining to those who claimed it's impossible for anyone to survive with less than 2 dollars a day by citing an example using his own experience during his NYSC. If you read his post from the beginning, you'd see you are both saying the same thing.
CareerRe: Mathematics Or Engineering by Shock(m): 4:00pm On Jan 22, 2012
rx steve:
Never knew maths was this complex. No wonder my Further Maths teacher acts crazily, he had a 1st class in Maths. . I respect Mathematicians esp. females
I don't think it's actually as complex as it sounds.  Most people just like to make themselves feel good and appear bright simply because they had a degree in Maths. Many topics in Mathematics can be self studied, you can't achieve the same with Physics or chemical engineering.
FamilyRe: My Son Lied To Us For Three Years, That He Was In The University. by Shock(m): 8:23am On Nov 29, 2011
When you say

All this noise can easily be fixed the sooner you give him to life to see wassup.
.

are you implying that she does nothing and simply wait till the dude realizes what an agabaya he's become?  not minding things may be too late for all parties concerned to do anything about?

I understand and respect the principle of each individual to his own life, but one must question the sanity of spending 24 years bringing up a man and then leaving them to become social misfits, all because you want life to teach them lessons.  I have met those who got taught by "life" and whose lives changed negatively forever for that.  Any reasonable parent will continue to explore all means possible to bring out the best in their children, babies or grown men.

Take your parental pride out of it. All that should leave your mouth any further is "My dear, It's your life". Nothing else, because there is nothing new you want to tell him that he doesn't already know.
Easy to say you don't you think?  Put it how you like, but if the children you've raised are social misfits, then you've failed.  There's absolutely no pride in watching 24 years of work touting away in the streets or spending the rest of his life, merely getting by.


I don't know what y'all mean by don't give up on him. How is giving someone space to grow and leaving them to feel the effect of their choices "giving up"?
You CANNOT baby a boy into becoming a man. NEVER.
Like it or not, the dude knows fully well the likely effect of his choices.  He has likely thought about it many a dozen times--- he likely knows he's wasted his life----he likely knows he's disappointed his parents----i doubt if he's throwing parties as we speak----he's likely contemplate his future.  The problem of course is that he's got no clue where to begin from or how to begin , if anything, i doubt if "giving him space to grow" will bring by any positive result for anyone
FamilyRe: My Son Lied To Us For Three Years, That He Was In The University. by Shock(m): 4:56am On Nov 29, 2011
Outstrip:
People are saying don't give up on him. I don't know when teaching your children consequences equals giving up on him. if it were a thread about beating a 9 year old for stealing a piece of meat from the pot half the crowd here will say beat him up so he will never forget. A grown man though should be cuddled so he does not get depressed. Three years of this charade and was even about to start imaginary youth service had he not been caught. SMH. Na una know. I don't have to have a 24 year old to know that she is a significant part of the problem.

I was 24 once and so were many people I know who also had parents who set expectations for their children. I don't know in what fantasy land that things work out well when someone does not meet expectations and yet things still all fall into place. He should be apologizing not being on the defensive but who am I to say anything. I don't have a 24 year old child. Be more worried about what would posses him to keep this for so long and not even have a plan to fix it or let you know. It is not about mommy or even daddy. It is about him if they will let him be and let him fix it.
So the OP opened up a thread saying "My son has a problem, we are very disturbed, how can we fix things".

and the best response anyone could mutter is "He's an adult, let him face the consequence of his own actions". 

if they leave him to his fate, he will lose out and they will lose out, is that the sort of consequences you are talking about? How exactly will leaving him to face the consequence bring a positive result?  Since when does one fix a wrong with a wrong? 

So you haven't raised a 24 year old, and you'd like to teach parenting to someone who has raised four 24 year olds?  How about you teach me how to fly a space ship?

I know my parents will be doing exactly what she's doing--->looking for people's advise and opinion,--- not contrary to what you and many others have opined earlier, locking me out to face my own problems alone.

And since when does seeking for advise translate to "cuddling him" and "bad parenting"?  what exactly will you do differently?  tell him to go fix his own life outside of yours? do you have kids at all?

If someone has raised 3 kids up till a graduate level, and the fourth of her seven children towed the wrong line, does that still make them bad parents?

From where in the original post did you assert that the dude's problem was mostly compounded by his mum's effort or the lack of it?---> I suspect this is probably just the typical African way of thinking, when a child has gone off the mark, the mum is to blame, how about the dad?
PoliticsRe: Lower All Flag For Ojukwu And Declare A National Holiday by Musiwa by Shock(m): 1:06am On Nov 28, 2011
He did not fight against Nigeria. He fought against the issues which Nigeria is facing today. Example is the massacre and killing going on in Jos, Gowons hometown
He did not fight against Nigeria, he just didn't want to be a part of it, and would fight tooth and blood to have his own "personal" country, his own flag, his own currencies, his own armies.

Now we are being encouraged to salute his courage, and lower the Nigerian flag, how nice. 

We have a sticker for him here on nairaland---- https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-811678.0.html ----- I am sure that should do.

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