How safe is it to make this sail?

Is there anything to watch out for?

In how many ahruf did the allah recite it?

haekymbahd:
Muhammad was told to recite and memorize it and he did then taught his followers what he had read and they also did like their leader recite and memorize...

Diacritics marks was only for Non Arab speakers who find it difficult to read Arabic so as not to fall In error and the were accompanied by teachers who taught how to read it...

The book with diacritics is not the Quran but what is being recited...

Sunan Abu Dawood, Book 37, Number 4311:

Narrated Fatimah, daughter of Qays:

The Apostle of Allah (peace_be_upon_him) once delayed the congregational night prayer.

He came out and said: The talk of Tamim ad-Dari detained me. He transmitted it to me from a man who was of the islands of the sea. All of a sudden he found a woman who was trailing her hair. He asked: Who are you?

She said: I am the Jassasah. Go to that castle. So I came to it and found a man who was trailing his hair, chained in iron collars, and leaping between Heaven and Earth.

I asked: Who are you? He replied: I am the Dajjal (Antichrist). Has the Prophet of the unlettered people come forth now? I replied: Yes. He said: Have they obeyed him or disobeyed him? I said: No, they have obeyed him. He said: That is better for them.

Do you believe that mohammed approached the antichrist?

LegalWolf:


LOL! This is cliche sixfiguresmart and it doesn't make sense. I will deal with your claims in three parts (and I must confess giving you audience is a nauseating exercise!)

EVERYBODY IS A LIAR

6FIGSMART REALLY? This is a very dumb take, please. I will encourage you not to say this in the gathering of right thinking me! Let me explain this to you like a baby. Suppose you went to our pretty boy TenQ house and you met his lawyer friend.

- Assume that the name of this friend his Alex;

- Pretty boy introduced Alex to you and you all started gisting. Just put at the back of your mind somewhere that birds of a feather flock together. You told Alex that you are a 'computer guru'. LOL! No be so?

- And Alex tells you he is a lawyer. Then went ahead to tell you about an old case he did where he defended a rapist against this young girl. He won the case using technicalities (to some lay man, this means pure lying).

- When you queried him on the act of rape and defending rapists, he said 'Of course, every man don f_ck up, who never f_ck up hands in the air'?

- In the context of that hypothetical conversation, are you telling me your hands would not be in the hair??

LAWYERS ARE LIARS ?

You are really educated sixfiguresmart and you should not be found making statements typical of mor0ns. With statements like this, you will lower your estimation in the eyes of right thinking men. No sane man in the society would take you seriously. Just a piece of unsolicited advice as I do not even know where to start from. Lawyers are liars? My goodness!

CONFLICTING ISLAMIC TEXTS?

You know why I stop when I notice I am debating with liars? It is a rabbit hole and they will keep on lying. Mark Twain was quoted as saying:

Never argue with stupid people, they will drag you down to their level and then beat you with experience . That holds true of liars as you will undoubtedly beat me with lying experience! Conflicting Islamic Source? You first lied Al-Haythami was the contemporary of the prophet, technically acknowledged that was a lie and shifted to Tabarani. Now you are saying your sources are conflicting? Which Islamic source told you Tabarani was a contemporary of the prophet to start with?

I think you once made this claim of Tabrani being contemporary of a companion of the prophet and I even gave you the opportunity to cross-check. Tabarani was born at least 160 years after the death of the prophet. It is just pure logic that he could never have met ANY companion of the prophet. Just common sense! And I asked you to NAME just one contemporary of the prophet Tabarani met and all we get is gfgwsodhiefiuhcihijoe (you know what that means - bunkum!).

I really struggled against my will to give you audience. Like I said earlier, it is nauseating engaging a LIAR!

Verse 16:64
We have sent you the Book [/b]for no other reason than to settle their differences and to be a guide and mercy for those who believe.


surah 7:1˹This is˺ a Book sent down to you ˹O Prophet˺—do not let anxiety into your heart regarding it—so with it you may warn ˹the disbelievers˺, and as a reminder to the believers.

Christians believe in one thing. False Christians are the fake one. Do you blame them, mohammedans burn burned down the bibles?

Why are there variances in Islam?

haekymbahd:
No book was given to Muhammad he was to recite and memorize and not forget.

[b]Allah Subhanahu Wa Ta'ala said:
 
"We will make you recite, [O Muhammad], and you will not forget,"
(QS. Al-A'laa 87: Verse 6)


Hadith are sayings of the prophet whom the Quran was revealed to. Are you saying Muhammad being the leader and teacher of Muslims shouldnt teach the Quran.

You can see christians despite reading the same book can't settle on a particular doctrine some believe in trinity while some don't but what did Jesus teach? Can you answer this I doubt it cos it will lead to a long debate btw you and and your fellows


Allah Subhanahu Wa Ta'ala said:

"O you who have believed, obey Allah and obey the Messenger and those in authority among you. And if you disagree over anything, refer it to Allah and the Messenger, if you should believe in Allah and the Last Day. That is the best [way] and best in result."
(QS. An-Nisaa 4: Verse 59)

haekymbahd:
Many Companions memorized the Quran during the life of the Prophet including the Four Caliphs, ‘Abdur-Rahman ibn ‘Auf, Zubayr ibn al-‘Awaam, Mu’aath ibn Jabal, ‘Ubay ibn Ka’b, Zayd ibn Thaabit, Abu Zayd, ‘Abdullah ibn ‘Amr, and others.

The evidence about their great number is that on the day of the Battle of al-Yamaama, seventy among those who memorized the entire Quran were killed as stated by Al-Qurtubi and others. Also, a large number of those who memorized the entire Quran were killed in the Battle of Bi'r Ma’oonah (well of Ma’oonah), during the life of the Prophet .


Manaahil Al-ʻIrfaan reads:

“There was a great number of the Companions who memorized the Quran during the lifetime of the Messenger, including the four Rightly-guided Caliphs, Talhah, Saʻd, Ibn Masʻood, Huthayfah, Saalim (the freed slave of Abu Huthayfah), Abu Hurayrah, Ibn ʻUmar, Ibn ʻAbbaas, ʻAmr ibn Al-ʻAas and his son ʻAbdullaah, Muʻaawiyyah, Ibn Az-Zubayr, ʻAbdullaah ibn As-Saa'ib, ʻAa'ishah, Hafsah, and Umm Salamah, and they were all from the Muhaajireen (emigrants) may Allaah be pleased with them all. Those who memorized the Quran in his lifetime from the Ansaar were Ubayy ibn Kaʻb, Muʻaath ibn Jabal, Zayd ibn Thaabit, Abu Ad-Dardaa', Majmaʻ ibn Haarithah, Anas ibn Maalik, and Abu Zayd, about whom Anas was asked and said, 'He is one of my cousins may Allaah be pleased with them all...' It was also said that some of them completed the memorization of the Quran after the death of the Prophet, sallallaahu ʻalayhi wa sallam.”

The Companions Who Memorized the Glorious Qur'an

Qatadah asked Anas ibn Malik, "Who memorized the Qur'an at the time of the Prophet?" He replied, "Four, all of whom were from the Ansar .Ubayy ibn Ka`b, Mu`adh ibn Jabal, Zayd ibn Thabit and Abu Zayd."


In another narration, Anas said, "When the Prophet died, no one had memorized the Quran except four people: Abu Ad-Darda', Mu`adh ibn Jabal, Zayd ibn Thabit and Abu Zayd."


Apparently, the latter narration differs with the former in two things: (l) It signifies that only four persons amongst the Companions of the Prophet (peace be upon him) completed the memorization of the Qur'an during the lifetime of the Prophet (peace be upon him), and (2) it mentioned Abu Ad-Darda' in the place of Ubayy ibn Ka`b.

Muslim scholars do not accept that only four from amongst the Companions memorized the Quran in the lifetime of the Prophet, basing their opinion on the view that Anas ibn Malik said this according to his own knowledge. Moreover, `Abdullah ibn `Amr said, "I heard the Messenger of Allah say, 'Learn the Quran from (any of these) four individuals: Abdullah ibn Mas`ud, Salim the freed slave of Abu Hudhayfah, Ubbay ibn ka'b, and mu'adh ibn jabal.

Now, note that you had posted that Abd al-Rahman ibn Awf learned the recitation AFTER the demise of a man who died on a teenage girl during an all-night sex romp and thighed the said girl at 6 years of age.

Now, the four reciters of the quran learned these while mohammed was still alive. The important thing here is that islamic sources claim that mohammed continued to receive quranic revelations in his death death, I mean while on top a teenager slobbering and gassing out his spirit.

Question is: Was the quran recited before mohammed received the revelation on his sick bed? Or after his death? What would you call that recitation before the final revelations were given him?

I will give you an example: We have the old testament and the news testament. Reading the old testament, I will say that I can recite the OLD TESTAMENT not the Bible.

I will ask again, did those men recite the revelations given to mohammed in his sick bed? Were the final revelations included in the quran or not?

Memorized by who? Give me the name of ONE person who memorized the quran before it was written.

haekymbahd:
Okay you mean what was written document disappeared... It doesn't matter much since it was already memorized..

So you accept that you were wrong initially when yousaid that the quran is not a book. Correct?
Now, you accept that allah is right when he stated right in the quran that the quran is a book.

To ensure that you understand what just happened, you had lied against allah and the quran and now, you stand corrected. Recall that you are the same one who accused the FxMasterz of lacking knowledge. Will you admit that you lacked knowledge too when you lied against the quran?

If the quran were the mother of books, why does it need the hadith to explain it?

haekymbahd:
Yes Allah was right but the Quran was a preserved book with him recited to Muhammad. The Holy Quran is a heavenly book revealed by God for prosperity and guidance of humanity to God. It was sent down on the heart of the Last of Prophets and the Seal of Messengers, Muhammad b. Abdullah peace be upon him and his descendants.

Allah Subhanahu Wa Ta'ala said:
 
"Indeed, We have made it an Arabic Qur'an that you might understand."
(QS. Az-Zukhruf 43: Verse 3)
 
"And indeed it is, in the Mother of the Book with Us, exalted and full of wisdom."
(QS. Az-Zukhruf 43: Verse 4)

You said that it wasn't a book and now it is a book. Okay, let's continue.

Since the quran is a heavenly book, did that heavenly book have the diacritics or not?

haekymbahd:
The Quran was a heavenly book with Allah recited to Muhammad... His sahabas have there own mushafs too...

Allah say:
"And indeed it is, in the Mother of the Book with Us, exalted and full of wisdom."
(QS. Az-Zukhruf 43: Verse 4)

Muhammad also believed in a young earth and that the world was about to end shortly after his advent. The following citations are taken from The History of al-Tabari, Volume 1 - General Introduction and from the Creation to the Flood (trans. Franz Rosenthal, State University of New York Press, Albany 1989), with all bold emphasis being ours:

"According to Ibn Humayd- Yahya b. Wadih- Yahya b. Ya'qub- Hammad- Sa'id b. Jubayr- Ibn Abbas: This world is one of the weeks of the other world - seven thousand years. Six thousand two hundred years have already passed. (The world) will surely experience hundreds of years, during which there will be no believer in the oneness of God there. Others said that the total extent of time is six thousand years." (Tabari, pp. 172-173; emphasis ours)

"According to Abu Hisham- Mu'awiyah b. Hisham- Sufyan- al-A'mash- Abu Salih- Ka'b: This world is six thousand years." (Ibid.)

"According to Muhammad b. Sahl b. 'Askar- Isma'il b. 'Abd al-Karim- 'Abd al-Samad b. Ma'qil I- Wahb: Five thousand six hundred years of this world have elapsed. I do not know which kings and prophets lived in every period (zaman) of those years. I aksed Wahb b. Munabbih: How long is (the total duration of) this world? He replied: Six thousand years." (Tabari, pp. 173-174; emphasis ours)

According to at-Tabari Muhammad believed that the end of the world was to occur 500 years after his coming:

Tabari, p. 176; see also pp. 175-18
"According to Hannad b. al-Sari and Abu Hisham al-Rifa'i- Abu Bakr b. 'Ayyash- Abu Hasin- Abu Salih- Abu Hurayrah: The Messenger of God said: When I was sent (to transmit the divine message), I and the Hour were like these two, pointing at his index and middle fingers."

haekymbahd:
You can't use just a quote from Hadith to judge. You have to know what the Quran says about this and other related Hadith to it or else it's more like cherry picking of verses..


Allah Subhanahu Wa Ta'ala said:
 
"And those who do not invoke with Allah another deity or kill the soul which Allah has forbidden [to be killed], except by right, and do not commit unlawful sexual intercourse. And whoever should do that will meet a penalty."
(QS. Al-Furqaan 25: Verse 68)
 
"Multiplied for him is the punishment on the Day of Resurrection, and he will abide therein humiliated -"
(QS. Al-Furqaan 25: Verse 69)

"Except for those who repent, believe and do righteous work. For them Allah will replace their evil deeds with good. And ever is Allah Forgiving and Merciful."
(QS. Al-Furqaan 25: Verse 70)

haekymbahd:
Okay you mean what was written document disappeared... It doesn't matter much since it was already memorized..

Is not what I mean. The islamic storyline has it. Was the writing before the memorization or vice versa?

haekymbahd:
The Quran was revealed to Muhammad to memories and not a book.... Quran is not a book but what is being recited. The actual Qur'an lives in the memorized recitations that exist all over the world. There are thousands of websites at which you can listen to the recitation, or download it, or you can walk into almost every masjid and listen to a hafiz.

In the quran, allah identifies the quran as a book. Do you think allah was being honest or dishonest?

Again, he said that he sent it in pages and in tablets. Do you agree with all on this?

haekymbahd:
The Quran was revealed to Muhammad to memories and not a book.... Quran is not a book but what is being recited. The actual Qur'an lives in the memorized recitations that exist all over the world. There are thousands of websites at which you can listen to the recitation, or download it, or you can walk into almost every masjid and listen to a hafiz.

According to islamic texts and Aisha who wrote the Quran as well, some texts disappeared while somebwere eaten by sheep. Do you accept that Aisha was being honest or was she Dishonest?

FxMasterz:


Hahahaha. Both the apostle and the "apostled" are confused. Mohammed that was crying beside the graveyard of his followers while the disciples of Jesus were raising the dead. Even Jesus disciples are greater than Mohammed!

Good points.

TenQ:

Only their apologists are getting the truth about the multiple versions of the Arabic Qurans. The vast majority of Muslims are still glued to their flawed standard narrative.

If you can get Hakeem's quote for me, I will appreciate.

Let's get him talking.

Haekymbahd, were the quran and hadith written by men?

Are they fallible?

Since the quran has been edited several times and the Saudis found 2500 errors in it.

TenQ:

They will still say the Qur'an is unchanged and perfectly preserved up to the diacritical marks!

It's absurd. They are beginning to drop that claim. It no longer flies. Thanke to expository works like ours. I was shocked when Hakeem told me that the quran and hadiths were written by men. On top of that, they are fallible. That was brave a thing to say from him though. It was huge. For him to bring his guts to reckon that there are contents of fallibility in both the quran and the hadiths! Wow. That alone was rich to me.

TenQ:

And they will kill others if they accidentally tear the pages of the Qur'an!

Imagine the double standards.

Lies and deception. Cover ups and deceits.

In respect to other indigenous tribes in Nigeria, we hereby call for the term, WAZOBIA to be censored by the Nigerian censorship board.

is shabir ali a wrong person? Who is the right person?

mhmsadyq:


LOL!
Anyways, thank you.

My response might generate another argument that would not benefit us.

I am glad you are trying to understand Islam, but you are learning from the wrong persons and groups.

I don't have any doubt on the truth of Islam.

I think that's the sheik's opinion.

Sahih al-Bukhari, Volume 9, Book 92, Number 453:

Narrated Muhammad bin Al-Munkadir:

I saw Jabir bin 'Abdullah swearing by Allah that Ibn Sayyad was the Dajjal. I said to Jabir, "How can you swear by Allah?" Jabir said, "I have heard 'Umar swearing by Allah regarding this matter in the presence of the Prophet and the Prophet did not disapprove of it."

Sunan Abu Dawood, Book 37, Number 4317:

Narrated Jabir ibn Abdullah:

Muhammad ibn al-Munkadir told that he saw Jabir ibn Abdullah swearing by Allah that Ibn as-Sa'id was the Dajjal (Antichrist). I expressed my surprise by saying: You swear by Allah! He said: I heard Umar swearing to that in the presence of the Apostle of Allah (peace_be_upon_him), but the Apostle of Allah did not make any objection to it.

haekymbahd:
So it is the christians population that is growing right isn't it I guess christians are starting to see through the lies of christianity.... Talk with sense na since you are trying to sell your religion you have to provide a religion that is better

I will never sell jack to you, Hakeem. Not even roasted shiit. You don't qualify.

Jesus did not ask us to bring in population. He says it is substance and quality above population and quantity.

Jesus said that the road to life is narrow and only a A FEW are finding it.

Christianity cannot grow like islam. Anything and anyone identifies and muslim. Bobrisky, hushpuppy etc those are muslims happily. But, they cannot be Christians because such is not tolerated in true Christianity.

Anyone identifying as a Christian and commiting sin is deceiving himself

No one in the character of Mohammed can ever be christians?

haekymbahd:
The Allah/Elohim of Muhammad the God of Abrahama claims he has no daughter nor son.... So it doesn't matter to me..

mohammed is false and indefensible. You cannot help him. The news is spreading wild

At-Tabari comments on the meaning of the Hour being as close as Muhammad's index and middle fingers:

"Thus, (the evidence permitting) a conclusion is as follows: The beginning of the day is the rise of the dawn, and its end is the setting of the sun. Further, the reported tradition on the authority of the Prophet is sound. As we have mentioned earlier, he said after having prayed the afternoon prayer: What remains of this world as compared to what has passed of it is just like what remains of this day as compared to what has passed of it. He also said: When I was sent, I and the Hour were like these two- holding index finger and middle finger together; I preceded it to the same extent as this one- meaning the middle finger- preceded that one- meaning the index finger. Further, the extent (of time) between the mean time of the afternoon prayer- that is, when the shadow of everything is twice its size, according to the best assumption ('ala al-taharri)- (to sunset) is the extent of time of one-half of one-seventh of the day, give or take a little. Likewise, the excess of the length of the middle finger over the index finger is something about that or close to it. There is also a sound tradition on the authority of the Messenger of God, as I was told by Ahmad b. 'Abd al-Rahman b. Wahb- his paternal uncle 'Abd-allah b. Wahb- Mu'awiyah b. Salih- 'Abd al-Rahman b. Jubayr b. Nufayr- his father Jubayr b. Nufayr- the companion of the Prophet, Abu Tha'labah al-Khushani: The Messenger of God said: Indeed, God will not make this nation incapable of (lasting) half a day- referring to the day of a thousand years.

"All these facts taken together make it clear that of the two statements I have mentioned concerning the total extent of time, the one from Ibn Abbas, and the other from Ka'b, the one more likely to be correct in accordance with the information coming from the Messenger of God is that of Ibn 'Abbas transmitted here by us on his authority: The world is one of the weeks of the other world - seven thousand years.

"Consequently, because this is so and the report on the authority of the Messenger of God is sound- namely, that he reported that what remained of the time of this world during his lifetime was half a day, or five hundred years, since five hundred years are half a day of the days, of which one is a thousand years- the conclusion is that the time of this world that had elapsed to the moment of the Prophet's statement corresponds to what we have transmitted on the authority of Abu Tha'labah al-Khushani from the Prophet, and is 6,500 years or approximately 6,500 years. God knows best!" (Tabari, pp. 182-183, bold emphasis ours)

Hence, according to these traditions Muhammad believed that not only was the world less than 7,000 years old but it was to end on the seventh day, or seven thousand years from the time it was created.

Accordingly, the world should have ended sometime between 1070-1132 AD, approximately 500 years after the birth and death of Muhammad. This is based on the fact that according to at-Tabari and others, the advent of Muhammad took place approximately 6,500 years from the time of creation. This is clearly a false prophecy.

Yet this date contradicts the one approximated by Abu Dawood in his Sunan. There, we saw that Antichrist was to appear seven months after the conquest of Constantinople, an event that took place in 1453 AD. This being the case, how could Muhammad have claimed elsewhere that the world was to end 500 years after his own birth and death? To make matters worse, the Islamic traditions claim that Antichrist was actually present during Muhammad's lifetime. In fact, according to the traditions Antichrist was a man named Ibn Saiyad:

haekymbahd:
Reading a particular book in American English or British English which is correct and which is wrong... It is the same Quran recited in different dialect....


When we talk about different versions of bibles this is what is meant now I want you to read the preface of R.S.V bible and clear your head so you will know what variance mean. Take a back seat and read this below

Preface to the Revised Standard Version
(2nd ed., 1971)
The Revised Standard Version of the Bible is an authorized revision of the American Standard Version, published in 1901, which was a revision of the King James Version, published in 1611.

The first English version of the Scriptures made by direct translation from the original Hebrew and Greek, and the first to be printed, was the work of William Tyndale. He met bitter opposition. He was accused of willfully perverting the meaning of the Scriptures, and his New Testaments were ordered to be burned as “untrue translations.” He was finally betrayed into the hands of his enemies, and in October 1536, was publicly executed and burned at the stake.

Yet Tyndale’s work became the foundation of subsequent English versions, notably those of Coverdale, 1535; Thomas Matthew (probably a pseudonym for John Rogers), 1537; the Great Bible, 1539; the Geneva Bible, 1560; and the Bishops’ Bible, 1568. In 1582, a translation of the New Testament, made from the Latin Vulgate by Roman Catholic scholars, was published at Rheims.

The translators who made the King James Version took into account all of these preceding versions; and comparison shows that it owes something to each of them. It kept felicitous phrases and apt expressions, from whatever source, which had stood the test of public usage. It owed most, especially in the New Testament, to Tyndale.

The King James Version had to compete with the Geneva Bible in popular use; but in the end it prevailed, and for more than two and a half centuries no other authorized translation of the Bible into English was made. The King James Version became the “Authorized Version” of the English-speaking peoples.

The King James Version has with good reason been termed “the noblest monument of English prose.” Its revisers in 1881 expressed admiration for “its simplicity, its dignity, its power, its happy turns of expression ... the music of it cadences, and the felicities of its rhythm.” It entered, as no other book has, into the making of the personal character and the public institutions of the English-speaking peoples. We owe to it an incalculable debt.

Yet the King James Version has grave defects. By the middle of the nineteenth century, the development of Biblical studies and the discovery of many manuscripts more ancient than those upon which the King James Version was based, made it manifest that these defects are so many and so serious as to call for revision of the English translation. The task was undertaken, by authority of the Church of England, in 1870. The English Revised Version of the Bible was published in 1881-1885; and the American Standard Version, its variant embodying the preferences of the American scholars associated in the work, was published in 1901.

Because of unhappy experience with unauthorized publications in the two decades between 1881 and 1901, which tampered with the text of the English Revised Version in the supposed interest of the American public, the American Standard Version was copyrighted, to protect the text from unauthorized changes. In 1928, this copyright was acquired by the International Council of ......



http://www.bible-researcher.com/rsvpreface.html

haekymbahd:
Both Hadith the one he posted and mine were sayings of the same man... So it is expected that he has the same view...
So again it explained it much better...

On punishment issue: You took the Quran out of context why not post the preceeding and proceeding verses before and after if you are truthful...

I asked a question on the content. I didn't provide any analysis. So, how is there a removal of context?

allah said that he has a livelihood and he is under punishment. What is his livelihood and who gave him the punichment?

haekymbahd:
Bring a sahih source then we can talk...

I quoted the surah up there. Is that not enough? Need I spoon feed you? Did the revelation come before or after the destruction of the 360 gods?

haekymbahd:
Messiah
The Globalization of Islam

The fact that these predictions were made at a time when Muslims were a powerless handful, and Islam was expected to be buried in its cradle, is nothing short of miraculous. At that point, presuming that the faith would even survive would be considered by most nothing short of a pipe-dream. But to predict that Islam would not just survive, but grow to thrive globally, was at that point inconceivable. For us nowadays, witnessing a quarter of this planet’s population as subscribers to Islam makes it clear that this was no presumption, but instead another prophecy inspired by the Divine.

right there is the plan of muslims. Sir, islam as you know it breathes under intense violence and aggression. The primetime for islam is dead gone. If you think that you can usurp the rulers of these world, wait until the actual awakening to see how the snake that you feed turn around to bite.

You have projected your islam with lies that are being debunked now. As an ex-muslim, I ran out with my head on my neck cos I saw the light. Thanks to the apostate muslims that I met within the muslim community. It is a swelling number of them. Islam is imploding. Number is not substance.

The reason why we know so much about islam today, is the apostates who left. Today, there is an avalanche of second generation muslim immigrants that are leaving islam. islam would have grown larger than this but now with the internet, people can see the lies clearly as we reveal to you.

meanwhile, define "Messiah".

Your hadith says that Al Tabarani is a contemporary of the other contemporaries of your prophet. I am a neutral man. How can I know when the proof is saying otherwise? So, the eyewitnesses who recounted the hadith to Al Tabarani lived over 100 years before they died? I do not understand too. Your hadith provided the lead. If it sounds outrageous to you, it does to me too. So, we can both agree that the source is wrong. Cos how Al Tabarani met those recounters is illogical to me giving the space in age. the only logical explanation that I can give is what the quran gave about Moses meeting Adam, Abraham, and Pharaoh.

How is it possible for timelines in islam to overlap without control and none of you question them? It is not my fault.

Here is the question. Was the quran handed down in pages or tablets?

LegalWolf:


Mr man, but you lied that:
- Tabarani was a contemporary of the prophet. Did you not? If he is, where is your evidence?
- You technically admitted that you lied that Al-Haythami was a contemporary of the prophet. Did you not? I say you technically admitted because you said 'I said what I said' after pressing your neck for evidence for your assertion
- If I have shown that you are a shameless liar who lies to win an argument, can you give me a solid logical reason why I should engage you?

LegalWolf:

Sixfiguresmart, I claimed that you are a shameless liar. I gave evidence that you are a liar not worthy to be engaged. You have not rebutted the evidence or claim that you are liar. Here you are still making other claims. Your reputation is in the gutters Sixfiguresmart and you need to clear that first before any reasonable man would engage you further. Don't you think?

Your claim is dismissed in court. On the basis of progressive talks, let me assume the role of a liar, even though we all are.

Nevertheless, I am a liar in this scenario and I would love to redeem my image. I walked up to you and tell you that that I had previously told someone that Mohammed died at 63 years of age. Now, I got busted with another hadith claiming that he died at 65 years of age. What age would you provide to enable me redeem my reputation?

Everyone is a liar, bro. You are a lawyer and lawyers are liars. Ain't it? I didn't lie but I built my case based on the evidence presented. If you say that it wasn't intellectually correct, I can agree with you, your honor. But to call it a lie when my case involves conflicting islamic texts would be intellectually dishonest of you.

But, let me ask you. Before Adam was created, were there other people here on earth

LegalWolf:


BUT YOU ARE A LIAR SIXFIGURESMART! YHWH BEARS ME WITNESS THAT YOU ARE A LIAR WHO HAS LIED IN OUR CONVERSATION. SO WHY SHOULD I ENGAGE A LIAR?

I HAVE PROOF WHICH I KEEP MAKING REFERENCE TO. CAN YOU REBUT THE PROOF?

LegalWolf:


Quite a lot of formatting here but just discovered that what I want to say here would be used in my argument in proving you are a liar. If I don't make use of any of those points when making my argument, then I will come back to respond to what I intend to use but I did not use. Same applies to your part 4. So I won't quote you on part 4 so you don't have too many mentions from me which at the end of the day, muddle up the whole point.

Let's wait for what our spectator has to say, pretty boy . It's 10:30 and I need to get to work on my brief writing. See you later pretty boy. Cheers to sixfiguresmart as well and may we have a good and prosperous day tomorrow!

hahaha you are hoarding your words now. You come to see that the deeper you go the tighter the noose gets.

Antichristian came out yesterday vomitted trash out of his mouth and got himself into a deep well full of menstruation pads and contaminated with dead bodies of dogs just what mohammed drank. I got him exposed and he disappeared just like the first time hahahaha.

That man was boasting that allah is ahad hahahahahaha
I showed him how lost in islam he is. As soon as he saw it, the man disappeared from nairaland.

I wonder where he is now. Must be hiding in shame.

I see that you are beginning to feel the strain. Tenq has loaded your spine and you can now barely stand. Your last defense now is to befriend him to tone down the barrage of bombs the man is piling on you. I love the way he recalls you to the previous questions that you evaded.

In a nutshell, bro legalwolf. You are still our bro. We love you and we do this with love. No one hates you here and this is not an attack on you, personally. We hope that you see it from that standpoint. It is a move to expose an ideology. We know that many of the things that we reveal here are new to you. The reason why we go in-depth is because of the pushback that we get from you. We want you to see your religion for what it is. We hate that you guys are being deceived by some Arab scholars. We are presenting our arguments in peace. This is the real peace. No one is physically hating or hitting.

We good! But, regardless of how difficult the answers that you will provide may be, feel okay to provide the clear logical answers to the questions. We love you all the same and respect you. If you would want to go anonymous, do!

TenQ:

The Qur'an is in clear Arabic language yet they can't do Islam without thousands of hadiths and Tafsirs to explain the Qur'an. Is that not a contradiction?

it is full of lies. concocted by a woman. see the bait and switch game islam is.
You were asking who arranged the quran. Here is the answer.

4707. It is related that Yusuf ibn Mahik said, "I was with 'A'isha, the Umm al-Mu'minin, when an Iraqi came and said, 'What kind of shroud is best?' She said, 'Bother you! How will it harm you?' He said, 'Umm al-Mu'minin, show me your copy of the Qur'an.' 'Why?' she asked. He said, 'In order that I might arrange the Qur'an according to it. It is recited out of its proper order.' 'A'isha said, 'What harm will there be to you whichever part you read first? The first to be revealed was a sura of the Mufassal in which the Garden and the Fire is mentioned.* When many people joined Islam, then the halal and haram were revealed. If the first thing to be revealed had been, 'Do not drink wine,' people would have said, 'We will never give up wine.' If it had been revealed. 'Do not fornicate,' they would have said, 'We will never give up fornication.' When I was still a young girl who played, it was revealed to Muhammad in Makka, "In fact the Hour is their promised appointment and the Hour is more disastrous and bitter!" (54:46) Surat al-Baqara (2) and Surat an-Nisa' (4) were revealed while I was with him.' Then she produced the copy of the Qur'an for him and dictated to him the order of the suras."

TenQ:

And ALL the dialects have disappeared. Maybe Allah inspired Uthman to burn the rest. Confused satanic religion

absolutely. They burn the words of their allah