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TenQ:
You are a lawyer, you can break down the sentence!

I say again, Can you quote where I said or insinuated or attempted to prove that the Qur'an Confirms the Bible?

Even mohammed said that the Bible can authenticate the quran right in the quran itself. Sadly, the Bible does not.

powerful hadith haha. Once you post from islamic sources, they all become spectators or try to hush you by any means.

advocatejare:
How would a man who snatched his adopted son’s wife and had Quran verses “revealed “ by his “god” to endorse his action, be a prophet of God?

He even humiliated his adopted son by making him to propose to his wife for him muhammad to marry:


It was narrated that Anas said:
"When the 'Iddah of Zainab was over, the
Messenger of Allah said to Zaid: 'Propose marriage
to her on my behalf.' Zaid went and said: 'O
Zainab, rejoice, for the Messenger of Allah has sent
me to you to propose marriage on his behalf.' She
said : 'I will not do anything until I consult my Lord.'She went to her prayer place and Qur'an was
revealed, then the Messenger of Allah came and
entered upon her without any formalities."
Sahih Sunan an-Nasa'i 3251
In-book: Book 26, Hadith 56
English translation : Vol. 4, Book 26, Hadith


Motayoayinde look at the pervert you’re following

Mohammed claimed to be a prophet at 40 years of age and died at 63. In the space of a single decade he fought eight major battles, led eighteen raids, and planned another thirty-eight military operations which is a total of 62 military operations. If you include the war for virginity, you will surely run out of counting. There is no record on the number of sex-slaves in his possession.

Jesus went to no war. Killed no one. Spread love and truth.

Who is worthy of being followed?

He cannot provide an answer. He is surely avoiding the question.

NairalandMD:
@ LegalWolf, please we need a straight answer about this, simply Yes or No with explanation, not the grammar war you and sixfigure dey drag up there abeg

TenQ:
I almost did not respond to your post because I can confirm that you are the BIGGEST DECEPTIVE LIAR I've met on Nairaland. You went to cite a reference written 20 years ago by liars like yourself as your proof: Of all available Tafsirs, you couldn't find one!?

You have asserted that
Yahya is NOT a Hebrew name


1. Is your Yahya the same as John the Baptist of the Jews/Christians?

Please keep your answer simple!

Legalwolf can you answer the question above? And, define the meaning of Yahya for us.

haekymbahd:
This does not just make sense Quran is just the direct revelation of God to Muhammad and not the life history of Muhammad...

You only knew Jesus was a carpenter and Moses was a Shepherd through the alleged biography (unverified) written for them so why will you discredit Islamic sources.

If you show where YHWH called Jesus a carpenter or Moses a Shepherd then your question can be valid but this does not make sense....

You are the one claiming that they are unverified. Your prophet acknowledge the gospel. There is no other place where he learned about Jesus birth if not the gospel which is in the Greek scriptures. He kept on referring to the Christians and Jews as the people of the BOOK. His constant acknowledgement of that special book and the quran testifies that the book was given by allah. He went further to assert that the authentication of islam is the Bible. He asked you to come to us to find the answers whenever you are lost.

We need no Hadith to explain the Bible. All the writers of the Bible were born during Jesus presence on earth. No one was a total stranger. If the Bible could have been written 600 years before islam, imagine how detailed islam should have been. cos the Greek scriptures provided even fonder details than the Hebrew scriptures.

Imagine that we have fragments of the Bible today that are 500 years older that islam. Let that sink in for a minute. All the Bible fragments are older than the existence of islam. Yet, you disproof all these evidence even when your own prophet testified to their veracity. Then you are presenting a book that is 200 years younger that the religion that it represents. Sahih al-Bukhari is a hadith compiled by a Persian scholar in 870 and he named it after himself. Not, an eyewitness but just a writer who is not inspired but he named the book of islam after himself.

How can I throw away a book that is 700 years older than the Hadith for the Hadith? Is that logical? And, I am only talking about the new testament, whereas the old testament is thousands of years older than the Hadith and the quran.

Forget about the Bibles today, we are talking about artefacts and archaeological fragments that predate islam by a far margin in years.

haekymbahd:
You still haven't explained why echad was used for Jehovah when he is one God forget about attachment now?

It is self-explanatory that was why I came with the original receipts because Jehovah is Echad. He is one Jehovah. And, the Bible testifies it. There is no doubt about what you see in the Bible. We accept and believe that as the fact. Whoever teaches contrary to that is not in agreement with the BIble. Since you present this as your argument, do you now believe that Jehovah is ONE?

haekymbahd:
So what answers were you expecting Muslims to give you that will convince you other than those you were given earlier....

Maybe I have lost the train of thought on this line. The truth that I expect all muslims to give me is nothing but the truth. Own up to the lies recorded in the quran. For example, reconcile the 2500 errors that the Saudis have found in the nnoble quran, Provide the earliest copies of the quran and let us examine it, allow independent archeologists to unearth the artefacts rather than burning the evidence, and accept that mohmmed performed a homosexual act whichpaved the way for the Abbasid caliphate to permeate pervasiveness for 1200 years and even spreading it to Europe. Are these difficult for Muslims to do?

haekymbahd:
I gave you the answer from the bible because that is the only answer you want if this had been from some other books you will still argue...

You gave me and I accepted it. I begged you to get a bigger speaker to amplify what you discovered so that everyone will come to know it. Is that opposition? I am in total agreement with you on that one.

haekymbahd:
I think you should be the one to tell your brothers in Christ well they might see you as the heretic one, you left the job your are suppose to do then jump into what does not consign you.

...ati Inu Ile lati n keso ro de...

My goodness, Hakim! This is the best job in the world. I am doing my best. I am also helping you to learn about Islam. The Arabs do not want you to. I went, saw, and I am telling. If you would have been honest, you would confess that I have brought so many new things to your table. The powerful points that I am highlighting, you can hardly find these online. I take my time to read through the quran and it takes hours of concentration and research. I do not want to profit from this. It is blood money. I would have simply written a book and sold it. I believe that I am better than the profit. The lives that I am saving is worth more to me. The eyes that I am opening is more important to me.
I didn't come to nairaland to antagonize islam. I initially came here for comic relief. I was after the false christians for a while but then again I saw the prejudice here. How I am allowed to say any trash to Christians but got banned when all I did was state a basic fact about islam. That blew my mind right there.

I do not hate Muslims. I have many muslim friends who call me to this day from many parts of the world. My ish is with islam. The deception, the lies and spuriousness. I know islam that deep and I am able to easily break free cos' I have no family ties to islam. I went in alone and ejected myself without a hesitation. I never knew about Islam when I went in. They painted it as a religion of 'B'eace. As Arabs cannot sound the letter 'P'. They bought me over and I began agitating against Israel. Not, until I got in and it became obvious that something was wrong somewhere.

So, I will indulge you to read the Bible more. And, have an open attitude when you do.

Moses wrote the Torah and he wrote what he did in it. David told us what he did. Daniel told us what he did. Paul whom you discredit provided clues regarding his career. Why can't the noble quran contain the life of Mohammed for the readers. The Hadiths were all written tens and hundreds of years after the dead of Mohammed. It is all about hearsay. Why should I rely on it when I have alternative reports in it.

For example, the Hadith said that Mohammed stole spread the legs of nude boy and brought his mouth that he uses to say the du'a to the penissess of those males. Do you accept that is a homosexual act? Would you follow such example?

haekymbahd:
This does not just make sense Quran is just the direct revelation of God to Muhammad and not the life history of Muhammad...

You only knew Jesus was a carpenter and Moses was a Shepherd through the alleged biography (unverified) written for them so why will you discredit Islamic sources.

If you show where YHWH called Jesus a carpenter or Moses a Shepherd then your question can be valid but this does not make sense....

What evinces you of the authenticity of the Hadith?

ACCURETE:
I have pass my message to you is up to you. see what the bible say about argument that you have been doing all this time free free to correct if am wrong those verses.

Philippians 2:14 ESV
Do all things without grumbling or questioning,

2 Timothy 2:23-24 ESV
Have nothing to do with foolish, ignorant controversies; you know that they breed quarrels. And the Lord's servant must not be quarrelsome but kind to everyone, able to teach, patiently enduring evil,

Romans 14:19 ESV
So then let us pursue what makes for peace and for mutual up building.

Galatians 5:22-23 ESV
But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness, self-control; against such things there is no law.

Titus 3:9 ESV
But avoid foolish controversies, genealogies, dissensions, and quarrels about the law, for they are unprofitable and worthless.

Proverbs 29:22 ESV
A man of wrath stirs up strife, and one given to anger causes much transgression.

Hahaha. you are totally disillusioned in this plagiarism. Show me his job from the quran.

ACCURETE:
In his early teens, Muhammad worked in a camel caravan, following in the footsteps of many people his age, born of meager wealth. Working for his uncle, he gained experience in commercial trade traveling to Syria and eventually from the Mediterranean Sea to the Indian Ocean. In time, Muhammad earned a reputation as honest and sincere, acquiring the nickname “al-Amin” meaning faithful or trustworthy.
In his early 20s, Muhammad began working for a wealthy merchant woman named Khadijah, 15 years his senior. She soon became attracted to this young, accomplished man and proposed marriage. He accepted and over the years the happy union brought several children.

Thank you, my beloved haekymbahd. You are such a sweet soul. Echad in Hebrew means ONE. So, Jehovah is one. Please, look at the attachments for many other references on how echad was used in reference to other people or even things besides Jehovah. That was what I was asking regarding the quran, but no one was able to provide it. I am glad that research is easier for you in the Bible.

haekymbahd:
The word echad was used to refer to one God in the bible also

Deu 6 vs 4

Shema Yisrael, Yehowah, Elohainoo, Yehowah aichod,

`Hear, Israel Jehovah, our God,is one Jehovah.'



In the bible verse above echad is used to refer to one

Question for sixfiguresmart
[b]Is Yahwe (Jehovah) your god more than one?


I hope you don't run away like a flea as usual so an an Hebrew expert that you are I want you to explain why "ehad" one of is used for YHWH?

Please, haekymbahd I want you to do me a favor. Kindly get a bigger speaker and help me to amplify this comment of yours. I truly need you to help me spread this big discovery of yours so that many people will come to hear and know that Jehovah is ECHAD.

2Arsenal:
Lol... Even non muslims Arabic professor testitify that Quran has the higher eloquence in all Arabic written books ( even though they don't have Islamic faith). Their argument is that having high eloquence does not neccesarily mean it come from God. They say there are eloquent books written in Hindu too.

Tell me those people and I will tell you who got paid. There are so many Arabic literary works that outmatch the quran but a far stretch. The quran in question was a monarchical project. It took the entire ulamas in the Abassid caliphate to write this very quran that has been etched and reviewed a million times. As a testament of the eloquence of this very quran, I will like you to refer you to the noble observation made by the Saudis themselves. https://www.memri.org/reports/articles-saudi-press-call-amend-thousands-scribal-errors-quran-reexamine-islamic-texts-light. In the land of your pilgrimmage, 2500 eloquent errors were found in your quran. How about that?

2Arsenal:
Arabic scholar(non Muslims) don't have problem with Quran grammar.. The only people that see grammatical error in the quran are those that are just starting learning Arabic to pick mistake in quran.

https://www.memri.org/reports/articles-saudi-press-call-amend-thousands-scribal-errors-quran-reexamine-islamic-texts-light. The above are Saudis born and raised. The home of the prophet. They are taught every facet of the quran and islam better than you. I do not know how you grade Arabic speakers.

2Arsenal:
(Ahadu) is one, wahid is also one... Just like in one, single are synonyms. Go ask people that have knowledge.

Show me ANY TEXT or reference where Ahad is eloquently used as one. I want to read it.

2Arsenal:
Another thing is this... Incase you dont know, There are some verses in Quran that seems like an error for people that are just learning Arabic grammar because some basic rule will change in some instance. People that are just learning would see it as an error in order to criticize, but knowledgeable people will surely know what they are criticizing is correct, their criticism is only based on ignorance.

Oga, as a polyglot, I can tell you that every damn language on earth has rules. Basic rules that you cannot alter no matter how irrelevant that language might be on the world's stage. Language follows rules not knowledgeable people. Arabic speakers will tell you that the quran was written in the same way all Abbasid literary texts such as poetry were written. The Quran was actually from the Abassid caliphate. There is not a single record or linguistic peculiarities apart from hearsay that dates back to uthman. Tell those knowledgeable men to sit in a dumpster and give me the language rule to guide me.

2Arsenal:
Let me give u an example in English language...

Por favor, senor go for it!

2Arsenal:
Pronoun "He/she" are for animals.. especially human
"It" is use for animal/non living/ghost.

What if we say "Nigeria got HER independent in 1960".... while "Nigeria" is not a female.

To primary one student who is just learning basic grammar... Is it an gramatical error.. YES!!!
To us... Is it an error... Hell no!
Same thing goes yoruba I speak. I wish you understand yoruba to get me better.

As for Allah using pronoun "we" for himself. Does it mean Allah is more than one?
Or Does it mean it's an error... The answer to both questions is NO.

If you look at the base of your logic, you can clearly see the barriers limiting the power of your reference. You are stuck on Yoruba language which has no linguistic resemblance to Arabic. A smart man would have reach out to Syriac, Farsi, Hebrew, Aramaic etc. Why? Because these languages share similar lexical and grammatical rules to Arabic. Try referencing any of those languages and see how the walls of your argument will crumble. The Yoruba language has very limited vocabulary and should not even be compared to Afroasiatic languages.

2Arsenal:
LET ME EXPLAIN SOMETHING TO YOU.

I am all in attendance. Raise the fire

2Arsenal:
No language can perfectly translate another language 100%. And that's why Muslim don't rely on non Arabic text Quran as there are some things that are very difficult to English because English language don't have it.

But, ain't that what the Muslims criticise the Bible for? You claim that the Bible is corrupt that there are variant Bibles. Would you present this logic to your fellow muslims? Now, no language can be 100% translated word for word but the content can be. I will give you an example. In French we say, "bonjour". I can translate that as 'Good morning'. I can also translate that as 'good day'. Why? bon=good, jour=day. So, why did I say "good morning" earlier? Culture. It is culturally accepted to say Good morning and it was adopted. Did it alter the meaning? No! Did it limit it? Yes. Cos Day covers the entire 24 hours while Morning covers a half of it. This is the depth of language that is outre to you.

2Arsenal:
Allah(swt) using "we" for himself even though he us one is not an issue to yoruba because we use plural for single person too if u if that person is a respectable person/ or u respect the person.

Arabic and yoruba has plural of respect, English language doesn't have. Everything is 'you' whether young, Old, single person, or more than one. Everything is you.

Ask any yoruba person if u thing I'm lying... We we use singular pronoun "iwo" for single person that you are older than or age mate like your friend. But we use plural pronoun "eyin" if these people are more one...

If you want to address anyone that is older than you like your father, mother, elder brother, teacher and others... You must use plural pronoun/(eyin) for such person. That's why you can never see an elderly yoruba person feeling disrespectfed if Igbo or Hausa who is just starting to speak our language uses "iwo" for elderly for an elderly person.

Another example.. if u ask a boy, where is your father? The boy would answer "won ti lo car park"... Meaning "he has gone to car park"

But if u ask the same boy "where is your friend"
The boy would answer "O ti lo car park" meaning... The same "He has gone to car park"

There is no way to distinguishing when u write both in English. meanwhile both "HE" in the both statements are not the same when u translate both to yoruba. First He is plural of respect. Second "HE" is ordinary singular.[/quote]I am a Yoruba boy here and I find your comparison outrageously schizophrenic. Do not ever explain a language that you do not know the grammar rules. Never ever do that because you have a knowledge of one language does not mean that you own the right to comparison and making conclusions. Arabic and Yoruba are absolutely contrasting languages. Why is Yoruba not read from right to left? Why does Yoruba use Latin alphabet?
Sir, let me break the ice to you, there is nothing like plural of respect in Arabic. Arabs are very expressive with words and respect is not given by referring to yourself as WE. They have titles for every individual and Arabic words are either masculine or feminine. Arabic verbs reflect on the persons and pronouns. If your rule stays right, show me more texts in which plural of respects were used. I can show you how the royal we is used in English language and even till this day, it continues to be used. I wonder how or why WE suddenly disappears in Arabic language since it is plural of respect. Mind you, does it mean that allah is disrespectful or denigrating himself when he used "I"? Why is he so inconsistent with his own identity or description? Show me someone else who used the plural of respect in any islamic text and I will point out the people inferred in the WE.

2Arsenal:
In conclusion, "we" that Allah use in the Quran is to show that he is very great. It is plural of respect, not plural of number. English doesn't use plural of respect, they use either "He", "She" You, whether Irrespective of the age, social status of whom they are addressing.
Thanks

At the times that he did not use it, would you concede that allah is very small?

I will post a verse in the quran below and I would want you to use your plural of respect to explain it. Also, if you can, translate it to Yoruba and see if your explanation above can continue to be logical to you. Remember that you said that Yoruba and Arabic employs respect. Let us eloquently and respectfully see how this surah will sound in Yoruba and I highlighted the key points.

Surah 5:48
We have revealed to you ˹O Prophet˺ this Book with the truth, as a confirmation of previous Scriptures and a supreme authority on them. So judge between them by what Allah has revealed, and do not follow their desires over the truth that has come to you. To each of you We have ordained a code of law and a way of life. If Allah had willed, He would have made you one community, but His Will [/b]is to test you with what [b]He has given ˹each of˺ you. So compete with one another in doing good. To Allah [/b]you will all return, then [b]He will inform you ˹of the truth˺ regarding your differences.

We are different individuals and as a lawyer you could have easily been able to tell that we have differences in writing and varying logical angles. Yet, we arrive at a conclusion because we are speaking the fact. That is the Miracle that muslims do not have. If you sit two muslims, you will hear abstract and contrasting logic to a point where one of them will suddenly be a echo member. He will surely keep quiet cos he is designed to be a dummy.

TenQ asks you simple questions and he comes with receipts. You are simply dancing like a cripple when your legs are functioning.
I will repost his questions to you. And, I hope that you provide these answers.

I didn't react because it would be a distraction to the main questions of
1. You translating a simple Arabic script (which you've not done till now)
2. Does the semen of men and women come from between the ribcage and the backbone ? (which you've also not answered till now)

Let me take you up on Yahya.
1. Is Yahya an Arabic name or Hebrew name?
2. What is the meaning of Yahya?

LegalWolf:
At you both - TenQ and Sixfiguresmart

Why is it so difficult to want to defend your yhwh? Or your Bible. I’m the one to prove that the Bible is a sham not you but still why is it difficult to get commitment.

Let me make this abundantly clear - I speak no Greek not to talk of Byzantium Greek. But I will rely on authorities of scholars who are masters in a discipline called “classics” and biblical history. These guys have read the Bible in its original version (not KJV or any translation out there), studied ancient scripts and tell you exactly what it is saying after painstaking observations. And interestingly, these scholars are near unanimous that:

- Mark is the first book of the bible

- Matthew and Luke are nothing but embellishment

- John is crap and a big bag of sh1t

- All non-apostolic books are scams.

- in any event, ALL of these books are anonymous (my view, certainly written by fraudsters for people without brain).

The above is my hypothesis. And on this rock, I am willing to go a thousand years and length to prove (not that I have to in any event since they are historically and factually accurate. It’s just like proving Abuja is the capital of Nigeria).

I am based in Abuja. I have never agitated deployment of law enforcers to any region. The government does not need the validation of the masses to restore law and order in the state.

Be careful what you wish for. Look at Uganda, Rwanda, and Liberia. It all begins somewhere.

oloyedewaris:
But whenever fg deploys soldiers or military men to the east, most of you will say it's unnecessary that they should go to sambisa forest

You might not be part of them but most easters will condemn it and tell them to rather go to North

Do you want us to translate it word by word? I can teach you every word in that verse. Do you dare?

Abumilla:
This your write-up are full of lies and fake quotes. What do you gain from such writeup

You are the one who got deceived bigly.
You do not speak Arabic and you are like a slowpoke just copying and pasting words. I dare you to pick those words one by one and parse them out to see that you have been fooled. I highlighted the word below. Kindly tell me what it is.

Meanwhile can you compare this translation to other islamic translation of this quran to English

asaajuomo1:
Your Quote is wrong. Stop spreading lies.

يٰۤاَيُّهَا النَّبِيُّ اِنَّاۤ اَحْلَلْنَا لَـكَ اَزْوَاجَكَ الّٰتِيْۤ اٰتَيْتَ اُجُوْرَهُنَّ وَمَا مَلَـكَتْ يَمِيْنُكَ مِمَّاۤ اَفَآءَ اللّٰهُ عَلَيْكَ وَبَنٰتِ عَمِّكَ وَبَنٰتِ عَمّٰتِكَ وَبَنٰتِ خَالِكَ وَبَنٰتِ خٰلٰتِكَ الّٰتِيْ هَاجَرْنَ مَعَكَ ۖ وَامْرَاَةً مُّؤْمِنَةً اِنْ وَّهَبَتْ نَفْسَهَا لِلنَّبِيِّ اِنْ اَرَادَ النَّبِيُّ اَنْ يَّسْتَـنْكِحَهَا ۙ خَالِصَةً لَّـكَ مِنْ دُوْنِ الْمُؤْمِنِيْنَ  ؕ قَدْ عَلِمْنَا مَا فَرَضْنَا عَلَيْهِمْ فِيْۤ اَزْوَاجِهِمْ وَمَا مَلَـكَتْ اَيْمَانُهُمْ لِكَيْلَا يَكُوْنَ عَلَيْكَ حَرَجٌ   ؕ وَكَانَ اللّٰهُ غَفُوْرًا رَّحِيْمًا
O Prophet, indeed We have made lawful to you your wives to whom you have given their due compensation and those your right hand possesses from what Allah has returned to you [of captives] and the daughters of your paternal uncles and the daughters of your paternal aunts and the daughters of your maternal uncles and the daughters of your maternal aunts who emigrated with you and a believing woman if she gives herself to the Prophet [and] if the Prophet wishes to marry her, [this is] only for you, excluding the [other] believers. We certainly know what We have made obligatory upon them concerning their wives and those their right hands possess, [but this is for you] in order that there will be upon you no discomfort. And ever is Allah Forgiving and Merciful.
[QS. Al-Ahzaab: 33Verse 50]

Federal.

oloyedewaris:
So in this situation, who is responsible for this

State or federal government?

True. They know the truth. Everyone of them know the truth. They are only seeking their pockets and spitting in their own clothes just like someone recorded in.
Sahih al-Bukhari 241 Book 4, Hadith 107
The Prophet once spat in his clothes.

Very dirty things. In and out.

Everyone is subjected to his own opinion. Freedom of speech is great but we need people who read political science to be given the jobs they deserve to cover events like this and report on political news. Many Political scientists are farmers in Nigeria. People should start speaking about important things now.

For example:
The United states is 245 years old and it has only declared war about 12 times.
Mohammed declared war 30 times in 23 years.

Mohammed would have little boys stand by, watch him defecate, and serve him cups to wash his anus, then walk back home with. Even the Israelites thousands of years earlier had containers for fetching manna in the wilderness. Why this man would have little boys do this is beyond my understanding. To smell his poops are display his mucky nudity.

Sahih al-Bukhari 203: Book 4, Hadith 69
Once Allah's Messenger went out to answer the call of nature and I followed him with a tumbler containing water, and when he finished, I poured water and he performed ablution and passed wet hands over his Khuffs (socks made from thick fabric or leather. socks that sandwich the faeces)

He is caged. He just cannot move a single inch.
He is in deep thoughts right now. His quran is right in his face and he cannot move around it.

Add the below to the list.
Surah 1:5-7 You ˹alone˺ WE worship and You ˹alone˺ WE ask for help. Guide us along the Straight Path, the Path of those You have blessed—not those You are displeased with, or those who are astray.

In his very opening statement to mohammed, allah proves that he worships, asks for help, and needs guidance.

TenQ:
Muslims and Strawman arguments. It's not surprising because Allah himself is the best of the deceivers!

I used argument from
Qur'an 2:41:
And believe in the Book which I have revealed and which confirms the Scripture you already have , and be not foremost among its deniers. Do not sell My signs for a trifling gain, and beware of My wrath.

Allah himself seems to disagree with you


Qur'an 3:3
He hath revealed unto thee (Muhammad) the Scripture with truth, confirming that which was (revealed) before it, even as He revealed the Torah and the Gospel.
Specifically, this is Allah's testimony about the earlier revealed books

Qur'an 6:115
The Word of your Lord is perfect in truthfulness and justice; no one can change His words. He is the All-Hearing, the All-Knowing.

But Jews and Christians are much more powerful than Allah and this can change Allah's words!?

Qur'an 2:89
“And when there comes to them a Book from Allah, confirming what is with them,- although from of old they had prayed for victory against those without Faith,- when there comes to them that which they (should) have recognised, they refuse to believe in it but the curse of Allah is on those without Faith.

Christians and Jews refused to believe the Qur'an even though Allah says that the Qur'an confirms the BOOKS of the Jews and Christians!

Therefore once again of you can tell me that Allah is WRONG in the above, be my guest else, you have no single case!


Till today after several pleading, you refused to translate for us the simple Arabic script.

I have asked you several times again, does the semen (of men and women according to Allah) come from between the ribcage and the backbone?

All you are bent on doing is changing the topic of discussion.

Just one error in the Qur'an is enough to discredit the whole of Allah and the Qur'an. We have found several!

Of course, the Qur'an is the WORDs of a honoured messenger.
If the Qur'an is the words of Allah, then Allah is the messenger.
If the Qur'an is the words of Mohammed, then the Qur'an is NOT the words of Allah.
If the Qur'an is the words of Jubril then the Qur'an is NOT the words of Allah.


Can you see why it is difficult to defend the Qur'an Mohammed and Islam?

Provide a counter. Provide the actual quotes if they are lies.

Surah 33:38 There is no blame on the Prophet for doing what Allah has ordained for him. That has been the way of Allah with those ˹prophets˺ who had gone before. And Allah’s command has been firmly decreed.


Surah 33:53 O believers! Do not enter the homes of the Prophet without permission ˹and if invited˺ for a meal, do not ˹come too early and˺ linger until the meal is ready. But if you are invited, then enter ˹on time˺. Once you have eaten, then go on your way, and do not stay for casual talk. Such behaviour is truly annoying to the Prophet, yet he is too shy to ask you to leave. But Allah is never shy of the truth. And when you ˹believers˺ ask his wives for something, ask them from behind a barrier. This is purer for your hearts and theirs. And it is not right for you to annoy the Messenger of Allah, nor ever marry his wives after him. This would certainly be a major offence in the sight of Allah

Are the two quotes above truthful?

Abumilla:
This your write-up are full of lies and fake quotes. What do you gain from such writeup

tctrills:
You tell me, I am not a Muslim and I am not an expect in Islamic studies but clearly sex slavery is a big deal in the Arab world. I cant say if Islam is the reason.

Surah 33:50
O Prophet! We have made lawful for you your wives to whom you have paid their ˹full˺ dowries as well as those ˹female slaves˺ in your possession, whom Allah has granted you. And ˹you are allowed to marry˺ the daughters of your paternal uncles and aunts, and the daughters of your maternal uncles and aunts, who have emigrated like you. Also ˹allowed is˺ a believing woman who offers her body (vagina) to the Prophet ˹without dowry˺ if he is interested in sexing her—˹this is˺ exclusively for you, not for the rest of the believers. We know well what ˹rulings˺ We have ordained for the believers in relation to their wives and those ˹female slaves˺ in their possession. As such, there would be no blame on you. And Allah is All-Forgiving, Most Merciful.

Mohammed was exclusively allowed to have sex with relatively anything. Here allah was asking mohammed to have sex even with a Muslima who gives her body to him outside marriage. The word in the quran is يَسْتَنكِحَهَا meaning f*ck her. It does not mean "marry her". Marriage is paying dowry. Fornication is an affair outside wedlock.

TenQ please ask legalwolf to explain this. These guys are blocking me from posting anything. Why does mohammed have exclusive right to sex. is he muslim and does he follow the 5 pillars of islam too?

Good logic. But the centric point is that THEY WERE into sex slavery. Right?

tctrills:
Hmm they are not the only ones into sex slaves though

I am a Lagosian and I will never blame violence on anyone. I have always blamed the government for her corruption. East, south, north, and west whoever it is must ensure the safety of the populace. Nigeria is the epicenter of corruption to the world. Everyone thinks that we all have guns. Investors are running away. If oil prices go flat, we are doomed.

My business is affected too. I cannot pretend that the unrest is cool when many middle-incomers are leaving the country. I live in the north but there seems to be a concentrated population of Igbos moving to Abuja and this means tougher competition and lower profit.

oloyedewaris:
See as this weyrey they call fg
Butvif na Lagos, na Lagos st govt or tinubu to be blame
You're so shameless

Then maintain a sane communication flow. You will look saner if you put your education on display here rather than your thuggery. If you ask, no one will deny you answers but just circumambulating on a circumference does not sound good.
TenQ is getting frustrated as well as others that you keep pivoting. Can we begin with the question of this thread which is the answer that TenQ wants to know from you.

LegalWolf:
This is completely untrue. If you and TenQ should run through my answers, you dragged me to this post when you spammed my mentions. We were discussing on a totally different topic when you came to this thread to tag me and not the other way round.

Now, for emphasis once more, I will answer your questions and that if TenQ and will do it well. I’m not the one to run from a debate with a Christian (of all people!!!!!). Nahhhhh. God forbid.

But the conversation has to be a two-way thing. You ask questions on Islam and you watch me demolish the basis of ur fraudulent religion. Simple as that. And more importantly, the person on the other end mustn’t be a liar

Regardless of what it is, bro. You cannot allow such evil thrive in this country. Obasanjo did not allow this generate in the south south. He dealt with it decisively. You cannot expect the country to thrive in such a situation. We are business men and our businesses are suffering as a result of this unrest. You have to see things from the other side.

Neddstark:
As long as the spillover is within the landlocked region, fine. The beasts the Igbos have supported is haunting them.

Very interesting in the sex slave market.

tctrills:
Mohammed must have been an interesting person

We are watching events in real time. many of us are watching the build up and we tribally insert that it does not matter, they should burn. The federal government out of prejudice has refused to intervene as lives of innocent Nigerians are wasted.

Soon, there will be a spill over. These blood suckers are getting addicted to killing and there is no restriction on them when they move out of the east. From Imo to Enugu. It is spreading. They will soon be contracted as assassins by political barons.

LegalWolf:
Oh TenQ, I completely missed that out thinking it was sixfiguresmart. You jumped in at the middle of a conversation and don’t u think it is important to know where it started from? Anyways, I’ll leave that out for u to check..

On the issue of the topic, I will answer the question. But you also can’t be smart by half. You completely abandoned the conversation on the historicity of the Bible and you’ve mute ever since. You failed to respond to the meaning of Yahya to the best of my knowledge. If you so much believe in yhwh, let’s put him and his inspired books in the witness stand.

Again, for emphasis I am prepared to answer your questions above . But only on the condition that you agree I subject yhwh, the bible and christianity in the witness box. Is thAt not a reasonable condition?

Everyone is asking but you do not provide a single answer. You went on like an uncontrolled child ranting over trivialities.

LegalWolf:
My job is to jealously guide you on the part of self-destruction and on this, I will do with certainty. Off the top of my head, I cannot recall Imam Al- Bukhari, who was a generation before Al-Tabarani meeting a companion of the prophet (but he met the Tabi'un) not to talk of At-Tabarani. It is very simple, mention the witnesses that At-Tabarani met! Just one...

Every single person that is reading this is seeing how you are clutching to straws. I repeat, Tabarani was born about 200 years after the death of the prophet and It is left for you to show us who the witnesses were... I am still waiting.

Now I forgot, I caught another lie. Tabarani recorded from the witnesses that saw the prophet. Really? Where is your source??

Juwayriya bint al-Harith was a sex slave of Mohammed. Mohammed killed her father and her husband. What a horrible feeling she must have had each time mohammed got on top of her to perform sexual acts.

Put yourself in her situation. How would you have felt if you were her?

Jawāmiʿ al-ladhdha is the oldest surviving erotic manual in Arabic, this book was written following the sexual pervassion that mohammed invented in Arabia. Immediately after mohammed's death, the Abassid caliphate began a sexual festival in imitation of mohammed's lifestyle. They invaded many nations and captured slaves girls called jariyah and used them to experiment all sorts of sexual fantasies. They also had Qiyan. All they did was invade and enslave. This was the slavery that Muslims claim mohammed stopped. The disconcerting thing about it is that these women performed sexual acts in public. I mean, like an islamic sexual orgy.

This act extended to little boys etc. It was a paradise for sexual pervasion. It is all about sex, and sex, and sex for muslims from the inception of islam.

You religion invented sexual slavery. Extremely loathful things that people before did not even think of. We heard of prostitutes who gained from giving their bodies. In islam, these women were butchered as they aged. The black sexual slaves were killed when they got pregnant. Your religion sucks.

Oh, really! Thank you, very much, Sir. You are welcome to Islamic Arabic 101. I promise not to read from any book. You can search online if I plagiarized or not. I will bring it to you straight from the Quran. We will surely have a long ride because I seem to like you very much. You are very level headed and polite.

Surah 112:1 قُلْ هُوَ ٱللَّهُ أَحَدٌ
Say, ˹O Prophet,˺ “He is Allah—One ˹and Indivisible˺;

In the Quranic verse, allah is mentioned to be ONE OF...

The actual word used up there in the quran is أَحَدٌ (Ahad) meaning 'one OF'. So just as the quran uses 'we' to personate allah, there are surely them out there in Mecca. 'Wahid' means 'one'.

Another point is the spurious insertion of AND INDIVISIBLE in the English version when such a thing is not present in the Arabic inscription above.

Where did they get it?

I want you to explain to me as the Arabic expert that you are why Allah cannot be pronominalized but rather verbalized as ONE OF in the very noble quran?

2Arsenal:
The hadith that you quoted, what caused the hadith?? You don't know right??

Lol... You will show me islam?? You that you don't know Arabic letter talkless of reading Arabic text. Is like KG1 pupil trying to argue with a professor... Lol

I have read all the books you read and will answer all your questions because I love debating with people.

Your problem is that you guys would just read anti-islam book and think you can win Muslims. Even the people that wrote those books ( GJO Moshay and others) can not debate with me and win.

I came with receipts. If you look at my post, you will notice that I posted the islamic Hadiths and the references up there for those who would love to verify them. There is no lie there. The man is a muslim and is ashamed of the history of his religion. He should have brought counter explanations to prove the fact if it were otherwise.

Volume 5, Book 59, Number 694:
Narrated Ibn 'Umar:

The Prophet got his head shaved during Hajjat-ul-Wada.

Hajjat-ul-Wada. Was the very last sermon of mohammed and allah asked them to go to mohammed in Hajj. The muslims did not go to serve allah in Hajjat-ul-Wada. They went to serve mohammed.

Now, many of them shaved their hair. But, there is no record of this sermon anywhere. Just imagine that. Where is Mohammed's last sermon? Missing! He was neither a preacher or a teacher.

tctrills:
Oga this is educative and he is only using his freedom of expression. But then if these a lies, it's wrong to post such.