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MaxInDHouse:
You just need to ask me what it means because if JWs don't study our books with you you can't possibly understand fully what is written there!
Babylon the Great is riding on the wide beast doesn't imply that she is ruling over the politicians because the same book says the wide beast is have SEXUAL relations with Babylon the Great so who is ruling who?
Ọmọ if you want to learn that's no problem but misconstruing what you read in our book and concluding you've gotten it all figured out won't help you.

Okay, let us argue that they study with me, fact. But, I now know more than you. So, don't they also need to study with you too?

You actuality think that your are a Jehovah's witness but you are not in reality. Your teaching is in sharp contrast with your books. You are surely an apostate. You lack the qualities

MaxInDHouse:
Politics is giving support to a fellowman with the faith that he/she will make life more meaningful when elected or given the chance to rule over you. Jesus is against that so as one of his disciples i'm against politics rather i support God's Kingdom to be headed by Christ Jesus! Matthew 6:10

I will prefer you leave the teachings of a group out of this for now because you also belong to a group and you're not ready to tell anyone what your group teaches on this subjects so ask me what i know based on my knowledge in God's word:
According to the Bible the three arms are Satan's agents and each is independent of one another but they're working hand in hand for the will of Satan who is the God of this system of things.
from the time of Nebuchadnezzar of Babylon!

As a follower of Christ it's God's word that controls how i feel towards all kinds of people.

No! It's God's will that believers should fellowship together! Hebrews 10:24-25

No! Jesus commanded that! Matthew 10:11-13

YES! Because God's word never promised us a better government under Satan's control! 1John 5:19

Once you're not ready to reason with facts i'm not interested in whatever you think about me so let's state facts!
Politics began when Nebuchadnezzar of Babylon decided to install a statue and ordered all the people under his control to worship the image that's what led to national anthem till now, God made Nebuchadnezzar realize through a dream that a new era in world rulership is starting with Nebuchadnezzar's reign!

With sex people can't be manipulated against their mates with whom they share romantic moments so stop deceiving yourself because many Arabs married black women, many female Arabs also married black men and they're all having the best times with their partners.
Xenophobia has proved that hatred has nothing to do with race because blacks in South Africa maltreated fellow blacks even though all these people supported South Africans during apartheid.
As for my religion it has nothing to do with you so prove me wrong by explaining how hatred is engineered by racism because i'm telling you now that politics is the root cause of hatred not racism!

You are not a Jehovah's witness, Sir. I have your book, the Revelation... in my library right now. And, it says that Babylon the great is riding the wild beast. The wild beast here is the poltical class. So, how to you, is politics riding religion?

Do you even read the Bible?

If you do not want him to help you, then get the eff outta my thread and let him help sincere-hearted ones who are willing to learn.

Do you know who is planning to visit those places soonest? Do you know how many Nigerians have been beheaded and roasted in the Arab hemisphere? Black people are killed like goats by these men and there is no one to report these events. I am here telling you about things that I witnessed as a black man and you have never been there but you are arguing. If not that I hold a foreign passport, who knows what might have happened to me.

I least expected a Jehovah's witness to make such a comment. It just shows that you spend more time reading posts on nairaland than actually reading your watchtower articles. You do not read them cos I have a library of the watchtower and JW books here. You should be ashamed of yourself.

MaxInDHouse:
Let him help himself first before thinking of helping others.
Ẹní máa d'áṣọ fún ni tara ẹ̀ là ń wò!

I will recommend this book to you. https://www.amazon.com/Revelation-Its-Grand-Climax-Hand/dp/963133614X

I warned you that this is a sensitive issue still you disregarded feelings. I tried to tell you that black people are being killed. I have very bad memories of things that I saw. I told you that I lived there and witnessed horrible things. You just blatantly disregarded. It feel like you are arguing to win a point. I posted this for the slaves who are tied up and being burned up in those places. There is no human right organisation to help you. This is not a secret. You saw international newspapers reporting this. You act so insensitive and defiantly wrote that rude comment.
This is very bad of you. The evil that I saw is still ongoing. Many nations are protesting against the world cup. Many players are refusing to play there because of what they have come to know about that region, and those people do not read the Bible. You, the one who reads the Bible, you have no human feeling?

You cannot at least take the time to read up to get information about these evil deeds? And, you are a black man?

You just felt the need to type nonsense here and you think that you are all-knowledgeable about places that you have never been to? You are telling me about India. Have you ever been to these places? Look all over and you see how many black people have been killed. Even sudanese are leaving Islam because of racism against them by their fellow muslims and arabs. Do you know better than them?

Are you the right person to speak for them? Are you qualified to comment on issues like this? Do you know better than the Arab journalists who risk their lives to report this on international media outlets?

Think and practice what you preach to others. Be willing to learn. It take humility to want to learn. You sit in your basement screaming politics. That is very bad. This is a cultural hatred that the kids are taught to embrace by their parents. do not write off people's pains. If you have nothing important to say, silence is better. Or, go get some education on the matter

MaxInDHouse:
Let him help himself first before thinking of helping others.
Ẹní máa d'áṣọ fún ni tara ẹ̀ là ń wò!

Very soon, even those with lavish houses will run out of them and seek shelter in poor zones. Money will not be the definite factor. Those fighting for lands that they will die and leave will soon look out and see their properties buried in a flood.

hard times are coming. the Bible predicted it. Very hard times difficult to deal with will be here.

You are a Jehovah's witness. Your religion believes that the devil orchestrates the evil in the world. Here you are dipping the jug of evil in politics. Are you political or apolitical?

What controls what according to your teaching? Is the wild beast controlled by Babylon the great, or is Babylon the great being controlled by the merchants of this world?

At what point did politics control how people feel toward another? Does Buhari control how you feel toward the Igbos as a Yoruba man? Is it politics controlling your decision to fellowship with the Jehovah's witnesses? Does politics compel you to go knock on doors to preach to people? Does Politics control the pastor who compelled his church members to vote for Tinubu?

If we go that route, then your religion become a political religion. There is nothing else to say above that. Because for thousands of years in the Arab world, there was no politics. They were ruled by religion. The law is Sharia. They are all called islamic states. So, what is politics to you? Do you know what caliphate means? I have asked you to consult your watchtower for information. You do not sound like a Jehovah's witness cos I have so many JW friends. They are all humble and willing to be accurate. You sound very proud, unreasonable and arrogant. As a matter of fact, I just sent a screenshot of your comment to a friend and he said that you are an apostate.

Interracial dating sites, you said? How does that end racism? You referenced xenophobia and politics. Is that the subject matter? Do you ever read your book Apply Yourself to Reading and Teaching? I will recommend that to you. I feel ashamed for you. And, the other man was trying to help you out. so, is this how you will argue with me if you knocked on my door? You do not have the art of listening which is fully stressed in your books. It is alarming at this point.

MaxInDHouse:
Enough to convince anyone that racism is just an instrument in the hands of POLITICIANS to gain more supporters, white or black love has no bounds, you can check interracial dating sites and see for yourself how sex is easily killing racism but in the hands of politicians racism becomes a weapon against their rivals.
Take it or leave it, that's what the intelligence have discovered long before now!


What are you?
A man of the devil?
So how can a person calling someone else names be of any help to anyone?


I would have stayed off if you're not trying to prove the truth false, it's politics that's causing all the troubles in the Arab world not even religion or racism!

I would prefer that you stay off my topic. For sure, it is a one man show.

MaxInDHouse:
Continue deceiving yourself, so Egyptians will kill an Egyptian because he's black skinned shey?

And, you call yourself a man of God? SMH how could anyone ever listen to you? Is this what your Bible says? Shame

MaxInDHouse:
Let him help himself first before thinking of helping others.
Ẹní máa d'áṣọ fún ni tara ẹ̀ là ń wò!

What investigations have you done on racism in the Arab world?

MaxInDHouse:
You're talking about just one country (Egypt) as if that is where Arabs began and ended.
What a pity?
So what do you have to say about xenophobia South Africans put up against their fellow black Africans?
Àbí South Africans maltreating Nigerians few years ago were also Egyptians?
Ọmọ we do thorough investigations before uttering anything, i'm not your type that just wake up each day typing stories about a religion for no just reason!

many of them are shocked to learn these things about their prophet. they have always believed that he was a puritan.

ANTIlSLAM:
Aisha added: He died on the day of my usual turn at my house. Allah took him unto Him while his head was between my chest and my neck and his saliva was mixed with my saliva.

Sahih Bukhari 7:62:144

He can't. He does not really want you to read the Bible. He actually wants to use the Bible to hush you up

Epositive:
Kindly educate us sir. I will be waiting so that I and other "barb wires" (fencers) do not perish in ignorance.

He is trying to help you.

MaxInDHouse:
Noisemaker!

I had asked you to read before concluding but it seems that your knowledge of the Bible does not help you stay humble in that regard.

MaxInDHouse:
Continue deceiving yourself, so Egyptians will kill an Egyptian because he's black skinned shey?

Yes. Grom thighing her to scrubbing his pen on her underdeveloped vaginr

Reggaemich:
Op, so u mean he started sleeping with Aisha @ 6years

MaxInDHouse:
Just say you want to run your show alone what i'm typing is the absolute TRUTH. Even among your own black people there is a difference between the way the rich are treated and the way the poor are treated. But i'm here for the truth and not just false informations based on emotions.
The Arab world wants to regain dominance but America is like the brick wall hindering their progress, black Africans support America that's why they hate blacks with passion nothing more!
https://l.kphx.net/s?d=6282489664633342449&extra=Q1RSWT1ORyZMTkc9ZW4tVVM=

I pled with you cos' I read your comments and I expected more from you than this. I tried to guide you but rather than taking the time to look through, you just told me that what you are saying is the fact.

I am talking about black men dying in Egypt and Yemen and what you have is that the Arabs want to gain dominance. I told you that some of these victims are dark-skinned Arabs. You continue saying what you do not know. How do you rationalise that?

If you do not know, ask questions. Do not run into conclusions on issues that you have little knowledge about. Have you lived in the middle east?
The people who live there and even the black Arabs are telling you their experiences and you are arguing over it? is it fair that you are painting racism as politics when people are dying and are deprived sustenance? Please, for the sake of humanity, have some respect for the lives lost and the people who are being tortured. Show some compassion and do not run their stories under the carpet.

Do not do that. It is not a hidden secret. Even Media outlets cover these extensively but the mainstream refuse to publish the stories. I will advise that you read about this issue or travel out and learn. I have lived in the gulf for years and I have been to India twice. What you are saying is very bad. Do not promulgate such information, please. This is a very sensitive issue

MaxInDHouse:
It's not about RACISM but it's more of POLITICS.
Their ancestors ruled the world for thousands of years so they're trying to regain power but America is making it difficult for them and the only support America is getting is from black Africans that's why this people hate blacks from Africa with passion.
If you're black from India or other Arab countries you'll be loved by Arabians!

Sahih al-Bukhari 5217 Book 67, Hadith 150

That during his fatal ailment, Allah's Messenger (ﷺ), used to ask his wives, "Where shall I stay tomorrow? Where shall I stay tomorrow?" He was looking forward to Aisha's turn. So all his wives allowed him to stay where he wished, and he stayed at `Aisha's house till he died there. `Aisha added: He died on the day of my usual turn at my house. Allah took him unto Him while his head was between my chest and my neck and his saliva was mixed with my saliva.


The only prophet that died on a "missionary". He died on top a young 18 year old girl at 65 years. Even a man of that age today would be thoroughly blamed for hooking up an 18 year old to sex overnight.
They claim that he slept with all his wives on the same day. Yet there was "turn" (duty roster). He slept with Aisha for 12 years before her 18th birthday. Figure that!

How can allah squeeze mohammed 3 times yet he could not empower him to read?

Sahih al-Bukhari 3 : Book 1, Hadith 3
The Prophet (ﷺ) added, "The angel caught me (forcefully) and pressed me so hard that I could not bear it any more. He then released me and again asked me to read and I replied, 'I do not know how to read.' Thereupon he caught me again and pressed me a second time till I could not bear it any more. He then released me and again asked me to read but again I replied, 'I do not know how to read (or what shall I read)?' Thereupon he caught me for the third time and pressed me, and then released me and said, 'Read in the name of your Lord, who has created (all that exists), created man from a clot. Read! And your Lord is the Most Generous." (96.1, 96.2, 96.3) Then Allah's Messenger (ﷺ) returned with the Inspiration and with his heart beating severely. Then he went to Khadija bint Khuwailid and said, "Cover me! Cover me!" They covered him till his fear was over and after that he told her everything that had happened and said, "I fear that something may happen to me."

Jesus said to the blind man, "stand" and he did. Jesus said to a dead girl, rise! She did. The angel of allah for three time CHOKED Mohammed three consecutive time and put him under an oath even in the name of allah yet the power of allah could not make him read.

No power in allah's name.

slug it out with me? haha you are high on trash.

Muhammad Asad
and then We create out of the drop of sperm a germ-cell, and then We create out of the germ-cell an embryonic lump, and then We create within the embryonic lump bones, and then We clothe the bones with flesh - and then We bring [all] this into being as a new creation: hallowed, therefore, is God, the best of artisans.

The Clear Quran, Dr. Mustafa Khattab
then We developed the drop into a clinging clot ˹of blood˺, then developed the clot into a lump ˹of flesh˺, then developed the lump into bones, then clothed the bones with flesh, then We brought it into being as a new creation. So Blessed is Allah, the Best of Creators.

Safi Kaskas
and then We transformed the fertilized ovum into a clinging leach, and the leach into a chewed morsel, and [from] the chewed morsel, We created bones, and We covered the bones with flesh, and then we structured him into yet another creation. Blessed is God, the best of creators.


How many creators are there in islam? Do we see why allah needed the ‘WE’ so badly?

Muhammad asad compared allah to artisans. cheesy

Even right in the quran, the proof of many creators exists

LegalWolf:
I am actually, and that is why I wanted to draw you and TenQ attention to that my response may be delayed BUT CERTAINLY NEVER DENIED. You of all persons know that too well. If TenQ answers my questions and you stop lying and also answer my question I posed, we will define terms of engagement and proceed. If not, I will see your comments (because I instinctively come to Nairaland and you will see me online) but ignore until I am ready to slug it out with you two . And trust me, I will in no distant time (certainly weekend unfailingly).

Bye for now. Then again, the question - who wrote (or how many wrote) and in what language was the NT written still lingers on unanswered....

Shocking that you are no longer busy with work.

surah 56:66 We have been penalized.

By who?

who is penalizing allah?

LegalWolf:
I would stick to my own side of the bargain by not quoting you more than once. But here, would you permit me to refer you to where we started (is the permission granted)? On more at least 4 to 5 occassions, I asked you to confirm if Al-Haythami was contemporaneous with the Prophet. NEVER DID YOU SAY YOU WERE MAKING REFERENCE TO AL-TABARAN until yesterday. In case you were blind, I even bolded the question on so many occasions and you deliberately skipped until your nose was bloodied and you could not hide. In response, you said 'you said what you said'.

So, it is strange that you are now making this spurious claim. That is why I have refused to have any engagement further with you but with TenQ. But that one is also an hypocrite shitting on his pants and cannot debate the historicity of the bible. He doesn't want to stare at the truth that it is historically accurate that the authors of the canonical texts WERE NOT WHO THEY PURPOT TO BE .

Why do you like lying? Why lie to cover another lie. That makes you look like an idi0t. And on this question of whether the prophet is lettered or not. You accept the portion of Islamic history that the prophet's grandfather was a priest but do not want to accept the unequivocal and undisputed evidence from the same sources that he is unlettered. Have you ever heard the word hypocrisy? Now add that to being a liar...

Blacks are suffering in the Arab world. Muslim is another cover for racism against blacks. They HATE blacks. In the gulf, some people will run into their rooms not to see your face just because you are black. One can lose her entire family for marrying a black man. A man can also lose everything for marrying a black woman.

Blacks are not promoted in companies. They are offered lower salaries. Blacks are not given good jobs. They rather have them in the sun and as cleaners. The few blacks breathing there have foreign passports. And, many are muslims. Being muslim does not change it.

If you are black and Muslim, you must be very heartless that you keep silent while your fellow blacks are getting killed and treated like slaves and animals. It will be you someday.
and you are the main problem
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Racism_in_the_Arab_world

You cannot see an influential arab muslim married to an African. There are Africans in Senegal, Gambia, Ghana, Nigeria. All they do is convert them to islam and leave them helpless. Build big mosques for them and continue to rip them apart. Look at all the black muslim countries in western Africa. Poor and suffering. The people are ill-exposed and the women are still living in the 8th century. Look below at the women in the northern Nigeria. Would Buhari's daughter be allowed to be this? They load these women with babies without education and basic amenities.

This is all they are aiming for.

Saheeh Bukhari
Volume 8, Book 77, Number 611:
Narrated Abu Huraira:

The Prophet said, “Adam and Moses argued with each other. Moses said to Adam. ‘O Adam! You are our father who disappointed us and turned us out of Paradise.’ Then Adam said to him, ‘O Moses! Allah favored you with His talk (talked to you directly) and He wrote (the Torah) for you with His Own Hand. Do you blame me for action which Allah had written in my fate forty years before my creation?’ So Adam confuted Moses, Adam confuted Moses,” the Prophet added, repeating the Statement three times.

Surah 26:10 ˹Remember˺ when your Lord called out to Moses, “Go to the wrongdoing people—
Surah 26:16 Go to Pharaoh and say, ‘We are messengers from the Lord of all worlds

Therefore, from the time of creation, almost 2000 years Moses stayed alive.
All your logic is build around this and this is what you are taught in the majlis.

LegalWolf:
All you need to is to debate on the authorship of the New Testament. Then I will translate. Scared?

I began with AL Tabarani. Mohammed was involved in trade between the Indian ocean and the Mediterranean Sea and there is no way, just no way that he was unlettered. how did he count money? How did he trade? No one can fool his lizard's liver and have me believe that mohammed was unlettered. His grandfather was a priest in the Kaaba. His father could have been passed through the fire. Mohammed's father was a slave of allah the polytheist. Mohammed married hadijah to con her off her money. That was how he got into trade. His real name was Qutham meaning faeces. You can fool yourselves. allah gave him a BOOK with PAGES and he could read it before laying the black stone in the kaaba.

gtfoh I asked you simple questions that you cannot answer. Who is stooping to debate a slowpoke. FO.

Sahih Muslim 2372a

When he came, he (Moses) boxed him and his eye was knocked out. He (the Angel of Death) came back to the Lord and said: You sent me to a servant. who did not ...

So, allah sent HIS angel of death to HIS prophet. So, the angel of death lives with allah and runs erands for allah.

Was Moses the first knock out boxer in history?

How did Moses KO this angel and left him blind? How was he able to find his way back to allah?

LegalWolf:
Like I told you severally, you can’t maintain a logical argument. We agreed to a rule of one mention, but here you are spamming me with a gazillion posts.

This your post shows lack of Islamic history. You just pieced a bit crap together and you think you can use that to attack us. I’ve clearly demonstrated two things:

1. You’re a liar and person of questionable integrity. When u trying to defend yourself yesterday, you sylll lied by saying I was the one who started Al-Haythami and u only made reference to Tabarani. I’ve never seen a more pathetic liar than you. Your lying stinks.

2. The prophet couldn’t even read, AND patently know little Greek. That’s completely false

3. When the Quran talks about scriptures, you want to hide under older books. That can’t work.

4. I am not laying background for anything. In fact, you don’t even know my train of thoughts. Biblical scholarship agree that the first book of the Bible is Mark while Luke and Matthew were nothing but a copy. In all instances, they were all ANONYMOUS! The evidence is irrefutable that NONE of the books of the New Testament was authored by who they claim they are. The Bible is clearly a pure sham. A dubious book. CertAinly not the word of God (and even doubt if yhwh knows a shit about it)

TenQ:
For a non native Arabic language speaker, translation tool is mandatory. Unfortunately, Muslims are prone to lies in translations of both the Qur'an and the Hadiths whenever they feel embarrassed about the truth.

Unfortunately, arguing with Muslims about the Qur'an requires you to prove to them what the Arabic says. Their usual argument is that Arabic is 1000 times more expressive than English language and the English translation is wrong.

Only traps well set catches a prolific Muslim liar!

on that note, their quran is nailed. The initial argument was fewer vocabulary hence words are mixed with meanings.

Every Arabic speaker knows this. It is a clear fact.

They simply act blind. Only ex-muslims can tell you the fact cos that control disappears. The fear of having chains as bit as 70 cubit strung through your anus and pulled out of their noses are no longer there. Imagine what allah intends to do with people's anuses. Imagine the amount of odor that serenades allah.

Surah 87:6 We will have you recite ˹the Quran, O Prophet,˺ so you will not forget ˹any of it˺,

Ask him if allah RECITES the quran or not. Note: To recite the quran you have to say bismillah(bi ismi ilah - in the name of God).

TenQ:
I guess LegalWolf is seeing the mistranslations for the first time. It is actually impossible to logically defend. How can a replacement of just ONE word (a noun for that matter) change the meaning of a phrase?

In what language was the Bible when Mohammed confirmed it to be the word of God sent by God? MOhammed did not only meet Jews, he clearly read the life and teachings of Jesus. So, he surely READ the Greek scriptures. He confirmed that the wordings were from God. Where are the Bible scrolls written in Greek, Arabic, Syriac, Farsi, and Hebrew that Mohammed certified?

The Bible was written by men and Mohammed himself taught in the very quran that God authored it. He confirmed that your islam hangs on the feather of the Bible. So, if the Bible were wrong, there is no way, islam would ever be right. Because the people that the quran was sent to HAD THE BIBLE. The quran tells them that the Bible is certified from God and they can consult it whenever they are in doubt. So, the Bible authenticates the quran. If the Bible crumbles, islam can never have a footing.

Why did you muslims burn the Bible? Why did you destroy the evidence? It was you. Just to make the quran appear valid. That is fraudulence. I can never run away from intellectual conversations. It gets muddled up when you act childish cos I cannot go lower than the heights of my dogs.

The ascription of the authorship of the Bible by God was not made by Christians in the quran. In several verses of the quran, allah/Mohammed boldly shouted that the Bible came from Jehovah the God of Moses. The Bible was written in Aramaic, Hebrew and Greek.

Answers all covered. Your logic is well monitored. I know where you are heading. You are preparing the chain of thought to land on Bible controversial verses. We will get there for sure. You are not that smart.

Now, that I have answered your questionS. Kindly do me the honor likewise.

Surah 80:11-13 But no! This ˹revelation˺ is truly a reminder, So let whoever wills be mindful of it. It is ˹written˺ on pages held in honour

Who actually wrote the quran? Where are the PAGES (not verbal wordings) of the quran GIVEN to Mohammed?

Muslims claim to have originally memorized the quran but allah said that IT WAS WRITTEN IN PAGES.

So, where are the PAGES of that quran THAT ALLAH WROTE and GAVE to Mohammed??

Surah 85:21-22 In fact, this is a glorious Quran, ˹RECORDED˺ IN A PRESERVED TABLET.

Where are the recorded tablets and pages? The caliphate was never invaded. The British had a treaty with y'all. Every historical facts stayed green for muslims. so, why can't you produce empirical evidence to support the legitimacy of the quran?

LegalWolf:
Mr. Man, the same way sixfiguresmart lied and ran away from defending the Bible is the same way you’re running away as well. So tell me, what language was the Bible initially written, who authored it? Was the ascription to the authorship we know it today historically and factually correct?

Legalwolf, where are the scriptures that you had?

Bring it so we can ensure confirmation according to allah.

also allah said that he sends messengers to every community. and mohamMAD was sent to the Quraysh community or to the barbarians. Please tell us if Ishmael was a prophet and where was he? Was Ibrahim a prophet? How did he end up building a well in the Quraysh territory when he wasn't sent there?

TenQ:
Does it matter to you what language the books of the people of the books are revealed in ?

Is Allah lying or misinformed when he said

Qur'an 2:41:
And believe in the Book which I have revealed and which confirms the Scripture you already have , and be not foremost among its deniers. Do not sell My signs for a trifling gain, and beware of My wrath.

Note that Allah did not tell you Muslims the language he (sic) revealed the book/scripture in. Did he tell you?




This asside:
Why did you dodge translating a simple Arabic script?

إِنَّ عيسى وَمَلَـٰۤىِٕكَتَهُۥ یُصَلُّونَ عَلَى ٱلنَّبِیِّۚ یَـٰۤأَیُّهَا ٱلَّذِینَ ءَامَنُوا۟ صَلُّوا۟ عَلَیۡهِ وَسَلِّمُوا۟ تَسۡلِیمًا ۝٥


Why are your scholars doing EVERYTHING to mistranslate the Qur'an!

Are you afraid you will tell lies in translating the above?

So, why are you not moving with the topics?
Why can't you easily answer questions and build a flow of communication? Why do you have to spent 96% of your comment on bragging and daring rather than proffering your opinion and actually answering questions?

Okay, let us begin with this:
Surah 80:11-13 But no! This ˹revelation˺ is truly a reminder, So let whoever wills be mindful of it. It is ˹written˺ on pages held in honour

Who actually wrote the quran? Where are the PAGES (not verbal wordings) of the quran GIVEN to Mohammed according to the verse above?

Muslims claim to have originally memorized the quran but allah said that IT WAS WRITTEN IN PAGES.

So, where are the PAGES of that quran THAT ALLAH WROTE and GAVE to Mohammed??

Surah 85:21-22 In fact, this is a glorious Quran, ˹RECORDED˺ IN A PRESERVED TABLET.

So, this is the quran, not the Bible.

Kindly help us decipher the coding as regards to the whereabout of the PAGES RECORDED and why your scholars taught for so long that it was only memorised when allah asserts that it was RECORDED AND IN PAGES.

TENQ please ensure that this point is well captured

LegalWolf:
Man, I will debate the Quran with you,10000000000%. I want us to test the waters with it. I’m fine with that. You asked does the Language the Bible was revealed matter. Man. It does. I am talking of the four canonical gospels and other books. If we do not even know who wrote Mark and the other books embellishing it (Matthew and Luke) and the John, why should we believe it to be the word of God? Why should we trust it’s accuracy (not that it is historically or factually accurate in the first place)? Why should we trust it in general.


Now you assume, without proof, that scriptures referred to in the Holy Quran is the dubious New Testament you have. Same as you assumed that Yahya equals yohannan (where the Quran expressly stated otherwise). I’m not even going further with elaboration unless there is a need to.

I would help with translation. That’s the simplest thing to do. But my own concern is that let us put the historicity of the New Testament and yhwh into the witness box. Are you scared of that too? We’ve not even moved to more interesting topics that sixfiguresmart caved out.

Agree to put the dubious NT and yhwh into the witness box (subject to onslaught) and you’ll have me running to respond to you. Just keep to your promise of answering questions on the history of the NT and we are fine.

He keeps on bragging about debating and debating. You can't get a pint of blood out of that man's entire intelligence. He threw his scholar under his old camel wagon and rode use him to test his wheels. A very lackluster individual. He just can't produce a coherent thought. Stay on his quran and push him hard. He will dangle till next year. Soon, he will go on a hiatus.

TenQ:
Is Allah wrong in Qur'an 2:41?
Answer my question and stop being evasive. Translate the simple Arabic script


إِنَّ عيسى وَمَلَـٰۤىِٕكَتَهُۥ یُصَلُّونَ عَلَى ٱلنَّبِیِّۚ یَـٰۤأَیُّهَا ٱلَّذِینَ ءَامَنُوا۟ صَلُّوا۟ عَلَیۡهِ وَسَلِّمُوا۟ تَسۡلِیمًا ۝٥

So what? Were the masoretic texts approved by Mohammed or not?

Why should I mention various Bible versions to you? Are you ignorant too? Go figure yourself.

Surah 80:11-13 But no! This ˹revelation˺ is truly a reminder, So let whoever wills be mindful of it. It is ˹written˺ on pages held in honour

Who actually wrote the quran? Where are the PAGES (not verbal wordings) of the quran GIVEN to Mohammed?

Muslims claim to have originally memorized the quran but allah said that IT WAS WRITTEN IN PAGES.

So, where are the PAGES of that quran THAT ALLAH WROTE and GAVE to Mohammed??

Surah 85:21-22 In fact, this is a glorious Quran, ˹RECORDED˺ IN A PRESERVED TABLET.

Where are the tablets? Where are the manuscripts. Where are the scrolls? Where are the scripts of the quran?

You are here quoting records of men born yesterday and who had a free platform to post trash online. Let us go back to the islamic texts of the 6th and 8th century. Do not bring me stupid wikipedia junks. I do not buy shitt from wikipedia. I was school in an established institution of knowledge and was granted a certificate that wikipedia cannot grant you. Who is wikipedia? Bring your scholars text and let me bring my Bible. We will analyze it and see who has the truth

Maynmann:
The king james VERSION is the first English translation copied from masoteric text of judaism.
You are ignorant.
Mention the various bible VERSIONS that existed before it?
“KJB” bwahahahah, KGB nih

Okay. So what do you want to do about that? Does that hurt you? Do you want to change that? Do you feel right about it?

Surah 85:21-22 In fact, this is a glorious Quran, ˹recorded˺ in a Preserved Tablet.

Muslims believe that the Quran was orally revealed. But Allah insists that he RECORDED IT IN A TABLET.

Where are the tablets on which the quran was written and preserved by allah ?

Why does Islam today refute allah's claim and teach that the quran was compiled and RECORDED by Uthman about 30 years after mohammed's death.

Did allah lie that he RECORDED THE QURAN IN A PRESERVED TABLET?

Where are the original manuscripts of the quran that allah swore to preserve? You are listing a litany of Bible manuscripts and ALL OF THESE predate the quran. Present the manuscripts or the tablet of the quran and we can compare. Without a single doubt, the Bible remains the herald of truth and there are fragments of the Bible that you cannot doctor cos they are fact dating to the BCE. So, you stupid argument is furtive. You cannot bring that sheet to me

Maynmann:
Your jesus is a jewish deus?

What learned? This man right there is a big fool and an ignorant. He is posting all sorts of pictures from bullcrap frogs. Who is he fooling? What school did he attend?

Do not fall for those silly dawah tricks. He is a muslim but he just would say it because I am presenting a well represented case right from the quran. Do not let him drive you east to west. They know nothing beyond what they are programmed to know.

Lawag3:
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I thought you were Moslem you must be very learned