IDENNAA: The anthropologists that studied the region in the 18th century informed their king and the whole populace are Igbo. What other facts do you want.
The goon said he is from Pepple house. I want him to tell us the Ijaw origin of "Pepple".
Ychick: Please listen to the Amayanabo of Opobo talk about his kingdom and if they are Ijaws or not. So of course, nobody is denying the Ibo admixture, but in Ijaw society they are ijaws.
tj2018: First, Opobo was derived from Opubo (Jaja's Master who was the perekule and Natural ruler of Ibani (Bonny) Hence Opubo-Ama was called Opobo by the europeans.
In Ibani Kingdoms we have a culture that allows even free slaves to grow unlike the igbo culture where they practice Osu. Opobo was formed by the supporters of Anna Pepple group of house and their allies after the lot the bonny civil war to the rival manilla pepple group.
They moved eastward and established Opubo which was named after their master in bonny.
Jaja is now used as a group name. It is just one section of the 14 sections in Opobo. others are Cookey, kalamuso, fubara, ogbulu,Kieprima, tolofari, Dappa, Biriye, iruoanya etc. The truth is that there is a signicant number of igbo settlers in Opobo, even the ibibios and ogonis are not left out. But every other person have been encultured in iguana, the ibani deity. The also become ijaws by enculturation. Yes, in most writeups Jaja is often recognized as the owner of the town but in reality he was just a leader of the break away group from bonny.
Ychick: Please if you don’t understand the culture of the Ijaw city states of the eastern delta. It is important you ask. Under the acculturation system of the ijaw city states of the eastern delta. There are 2 ways to become a citizen. 1. By birth 2. By adoption where a head money is paid. (siwi igbi). The literal meaning of Jaja’s full name Jugbo Jugbo fem is somebody bought somebody else. So of course he is of Igbo descent and he was bought by Anna people and became his child by adoption. In ijaw society nobody is a slave, he was raised as a child with full rights of the Anna people house that allows him to even replace his father as chief.
Now on the issue of Amachree, I am a direct descendant of Amachree (8th great great grand father), and King Abbi (5th great grand father) any of my brothers can become Amayanabo of Kalabari (New Calabar) if they contest and win. Amachree’s mother was a Kalabari woman from the original Kalagbea ward. But his father was a freshwater Ijaw man from the central delta. He is not of Igbo origin, although he bought a lot of ibo people from the interior to expand the Kalabari population, and reinforced the idea that all Kalabari people are his people. There is a saying that King Amachree o e da fe a or inyingi fem- meaning if he did not buy your father, he bought your mother. Now on Bonny, they migrated from the central delta- fresh water ijaw land, and stayed for a while in ndokki, where the group split into 2, and some went to Bonny which the new indigenes called Okoloba. In Bonny, with the rise of the palm oil trade and the large number of slaves from the ibo interior. Bonny made a different decision than the kalabari’s by making ibani ijaw a secret language for the elites, so that their numerous slaves will not overthrow them. So ibo became the trade language. This decision means that someone like Jaja who was the foster child of a big chief spoke fluent ibani because he was an elite, and I have read diaries of the British consul trying to settle the fight between opobo and bonny chiefs, with Kalabari and Okrika chiefs as mediators for both groups. All the chiefs from the 4 kingdoms were speaking ijaw because the eastern jaw dialect of kalabari, Okrika, bonny and opobo are mutually intelligible. Now, in new calabar all new adoptees, we don't call them slaves, had to learn the kalabari language, and in fact your ability to speak kalabari determined how fast you could integrate into your new society, that is why in kalabari land. Ibo never gained a foothold like in bonny and the subsequent state of opobo did. So of course we too had lots of people from the ibo interior acculturated into our societies. But, you are an ijaw person, not a slave and you are accorded full rights of a full citizen. So the whole calling Jaja a slave is a joke gone too far. He was the pampered and privileged child of a wealthy chief.
mrksquare: He doesn't own Bonny. On the contrary he was a dedicated slave to the king of Bonny who later rose to prominence.
Secondly, he wasn't the only one that left Bonny to form present day Opobo. He was only lucky to have been made the first king. Today, his lineage through the supreme court have commandered the kingship to themselves which ought not to be so.
TheLoneCitizen: You're reiterating my stance, all right, brother: Goal per game alone is not indicative of quality at all.
Paco Alcacer had one of the best goal ratio at Dortmund, where is he today?
When assessing quality, you have to marry different characteristics to arrive at a conclusive analysis.
This was the case with Iheanacho. A combination of his goal per game rate, link-up play, conversion rate, ability under pressure, aeriel prowess, ball control... brought me to the conclusion that he was better than his return showed, not just one stat.
But most importantly, I watched him live because not every feature (like movement) goes on paper.
For the case of Onyekuru, I never said he is the best winger ever. No. Someone opined that Victor Moses was Nigeria's most productive or efficient winger of all time.
But statistics show that, Onyekuru takes that accolade by a long mile.
TheLoneCitizen: I appreciate your opinions, but let's see who's misleading who.
Let's use the case of Iheanacho.
In the early embers of June 2020, when Kelechi was languishing in the back benches of the Leicester squad, I made the statistical interpretation that Iheanacho needed just more gametime to flourish as one of the league's best. But just like you both, the great Sir komekn rubbished this as " delusional and convolated manipulation of statistics."
Now 14 months later, ask yourself: Is Iheanacho a convoluted manipulation of stats? Or was he a diamond in the rough waiting to bloom?
yanabasee2: I don't care... You Mazi included it... so I'm making it a sound announcement for you folks.... SouthSouth will have it's own republic sooner...
Abohboy: I don't want an igbo nation I want a strong federal Nigeria and hopefully one day a decentralized but still united African nation Nigeria splitting apart is against what I want to see
Let me put it to you in clear terms since despite all that is happening you are keen on Nigeria: You Are An Enemy And Will Be Treated As Such When The Time Comes.
Abohboy: How do you think they got their goods to the British? and how they got British goods and weapons themselves? It was through the Aboh ( Eboe ) traders
Awka works was soughted around the whole southern extremeties of precolonial Nigeria, from Benin westwards to, I dare say, Cameroon in the East. How do you call that depending?
If I'm to digress a bit: Mind you there were several routes around : Bonny river, Imo river, and numerous estuaries. How can you claim you controlled this area with all the estuaries? It's almost impossible.
Yet again, if you controlled trade along the Niger, where were the Ijaw and other subtribes who are nearer to the coast and lived along these many rivers?
ThEGodFaThEr101: This one you've been shouting preek, preek upandan, Oya, bend down, let me knack you from behind at least that way your pussy will appear tight.
Abohboy: Yes so insignificant that the Awka blacksmiths depended on us to trade their goods, so insignificant that Obi Ossai of Aboh is considered the greatest mercantile king of South Eastern Nigeria, so insignificant that the British when they wanted to trade in the Niger River they first went to talk to Obi Ossai and no one else please be quiet and learn proper history
Awka blacksmiths did not depend on anybody. It was actually the other way round.
Abohboy: Nope some were conquered or assimilated into larger kingdoms the Nri took over more areas around them and the Aro took over lots of land such as those of the Ohafia and Edda
Idiko1: You must be a kid to insinuate whatever you called Ijaw Republics will entertain silly dreams of conflict with mighty Republic of Igboland. The question is will Ijaw exist as a nation state following the disintegration of the cesspit called Nigeria. I guess you do not know the reason behind the miserable rejection of the calls to end the cesspit called Nigeria. Nigeria as currently configured will never progress beyond a screwed British entrapment.
Abohboy: They Speak an Ndokwa-Ukwuani-Anioma type Language so they are essentially an Igbo and Bini Sub group but they were albeit an independent kingdom
This is somehow naive to say. Every Igbo tribe was independent.
Politics › Re: The House King Jaja Of Opobo Lived In Exile In The 1880's In ST Vincent by SlayerForever: 3:35pm On Aug 24, 2021
