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Sanchez01, EdoDefence

kmcutez:
The Op wants to pit the Ijaws against Urhobo/Isoko/Itsekiri/Edo. It’s not going to work. The Ijaws do not own the coastline of Delta State. I’m very sure the writer of this article is Igbo.

Who owns the coastline?

IDENNAA:
You , again. We all know you have something bigger than Igbo hating to worry about.....lol

I warned you hatred can only destroy you...

Nwanyi ajo obi....kedu onye ga anu ya!

Don't mind her. More than 5 years of frequenting nairaland she's still on one spot, can't move forward. I remember I told her the same thing way back then. Let me even echo your question : Nwanyi ajo obi...kedu onye ga anu ya.

Let me chip in something. I have one of 33 now from Issele Ukwu. Very beautiful but the same character. As you can expect, the same result, the same situation as this one.

ibibiogrl:
& Igbo.id
There has always been a huge divide between Efik and Ibibios; that's why AKS was created out of the old CRS. The resentment is extreme with constant degoratory comments, when ever the 2groups are mentioned together. Infact just go through my post history replies to as recently as last year.

Again like I said Eket & Ibeno are a sub-group of Ibibio. They're like Ikwerre version of Ibibio without the denials.
Obolo is ijaw, Oron is a sub-group of Efik & so holds similar resentment of Efik against Ibibio. Annang are a separate group with their own unique culture etc... All these groups can be comparable to Ijaws and Igalas living with Igbos in the same state/area and influencing each other especially in language & food. But still maintaining most of their unique cultural identities and beliefs... etc.
U CAN READ THESE DIFFERENCES IN DETAILS HERE IN THIS THREAD; https://www.nairaland.com/609355/whats-major-differance-igbo-people

Okay. Thank you very much for the response. It clarifies things a lot.

I take the person as my nephew/niece.

Naajjii:
No you must add Igala to your Biafra, no way you must have muslims in your biafra through Igala wether you like it or not and these small musilims will grow and expand across biafra in the future. Fulani and sultan must have a link to biafra. This is sweet for muslim ummah across the world. You people say Islam can not penetrate your region, it will get there and take root Inshallah.

Islam has a better chance in Israel than Biafra. Dey there.

ibibiogrl:
& SlayerForever
U must be mistaking Oron for Ibeno Yes Oron are a sub-group of Efik in AKS. If you read the link of the thread that explained the differences in detail. U would've read that people like U equate Oron & Eket to "Ikwerre denial". But I took time to explain & I will again.
Oron practice the exact same traditions, beliefs like Efik. Though their language is like Efik language mixed with another difficult to understand language which is why they speak Efik as their 2nd language.
Eket are a sub-group of Ibibio their dialect is like Oron version of Ibibio, which is why they speak normal Ibibio as a 2nd language.
Ibeno 1LGA is a part of Eket that their dialect is like Eket influence by Obolo language, becos they're betwn Eket & Obolo. But just like Eket, they practice the same traditions and beliefs like Ibibio.
Since Eket dialect is like Ibibio influence by Oron because some of their LGA are close to each other. Oron used to be closer a bit to Eket out of all the other Ibibio groups, they felt that Eket were not truly Ibibios but just decided to be counted as Ibibio during the colonial period for influence.
But that relationship went SOUR during the war, allegedly when a top general of Eket sold Oron out to be Bomb That was when Oron realized that Eket were true Ibibios.
We Ibibios don't claim any tribe that's not Ibibio. Also Oron get along with Annang than Ibibios. It's the same resentment that Efik has against Ibibio, is what Oron has. If not for the Cross River dividing their land, Oron should've been part of CRS. If the Ibom republic included Efik. The insult in this thread, would have been Extreme.
Actually 2state was to be carved out of the former CRS. Akwa Ibom & Itai State for Annang. For now Annang have some understanding with Ibibios, but tomorrow Annangs can campaign for their Itai State kingdom. It wouldn't change anything, because all those groups weren't part of Ibibio State Union. Only different Ibibio subgroup were part of it.
Obolo is just 1small LGA & Oron wants to form a nation with them, it's the Obolos that want to include the 1Ibeno LGA. But Oron knowing that Ibeno is a part of Eket, and learning their lesson from the past, will not be comfortable with that. Including Ibeno would be like including Ibibio that they want to separate from
Finally there's nothing like "AKWA CROSS" that's just term that was form in 2009 to market Ibibio language movie made in AKS in Cross River State. They often included 1-2character speaking Efik in the movie. If you Google Efik & Ibibio, u will read the extreme degoratory insult by Orons & Efiks, saying that Ibibios are stealing & wearing Efik outfit & tradition like Ekpe..etc. Including the "Calabar people", they say Ibibios are claiming to be Calabar people & becoming house boys to tarnish the true Calabar peoples image
Not realizing that it's strangers like U that insist on this false labels and viewing us all as the same people in denial

Hmm. Very very interesting. So there's actually a divide between Erik and Ibibio? Is this divide that pronounced? Because from an outsider's perspective such divide hardly exists. I actually thought Efik would go with Ibom republic as default. Many AKS people like to form familiarity with Efik CRS people here like you guys are best of companions. So Efik is not going too? I'd think not though.

Again, I must ask, in all honesty, if AKS groups like Ibibio, Annang, Oron, Eket, Ibeno all have similar culture and language then why are they so standoffish with each other? It's shocking. Give me some insights please. Thank you.

Idoma don't have any sizable muslim population. Make I no lie I no kukuma want the Igala. Even the Igboid ones. Anyway they can never join Biafra. Middlebelt will form their country.

24SEVEN:
When do you reckon Biafra will be.

Let's wager. N1Million worth. Payable in crypto.

Okay. Na only Biafra be your problem. Hahaha.

24SEVEN:
Nigeria never disintegrate una don dey draw line here and there. Everyone is just getting unnecessarily ahead of themselves. People deciding for others where they should align and all what not.

You guys are just partaking in fruitless ventures.

make una enjoy.

Your eye go still clear. So your hope be say nothing go happen. Okay

24SEVEN:
My brother, let me just tell you the truth, if Nigeria should disintegrate, uncertainty abounds for everyone. Whatever permutation you think you have arrived at might not pan out they way you think.

My Ikwerre brother it's not looking good for you guys. But no need to push the point though

BKayy:
Na only una Call Igboland landlocked by cutting of 40% of their landmass.
Na only una come still they cry when map come out, come show say na only 7 people get access to see in the entire Nigeria.
The seven are:
Igbo
Yoruba
Ijaw
Efik
Ibibio
Annang
and Obolo


The rest (242) are padlocked forever, and the key thrown into the bottom of Pacific ocean

This guy ehn

donphilopus:
Edo isn't landlocked. Edo has access to the sea.

See people wey dey call Igbo landlocked since

24SEVEN:
People who claim to have bigpriik usually have small priik.

like you claimed not to be Igbo, i could smell your igboness from a thousand miles.

How did you Include Urhobo and failed to include the chained, fenced and barricaded Dot republic.

Was that a sincere omission or deliberate attempt at mischief making.

So with the current ongoings in the South South you Ikwerre still have teeth to shine. Hahaha. O ga-adi kpo kpo. We dey here

Conner44:
i thought it was only igbos that were landlocked

you cant cover up pregnancy by covering the tummy with a basket.

Lollll

bigpriik:
I am not igbo though but due to the hate many Nigerians tribes have for igbos they forget they are also landlocked with no hope for sea access except negotiations are reached with other tribes with sea access.

1)hausa-fulani
2)kanuri
3)jukun
4)tivi
5)idoma
6)bini
7)urhobo
isoko
9)ogoni
10)nupe
11)ogoja

Who would have known Urhobo and Benin who cast aspersion on others were actually landlocked. Bigpriik thanks for bringing this to our attention.

Bigpriik dey find trouble. Omo this thread go sweet die.

Etrusen:
U keep on mentioning ijaw

What has ijaw gat to do with this

You're following them for nyash. Doing as they do. Everybody na Ijaw for their mouth. The same thing you

EdoDefence:
They came to Ẹdo to solidify their root. Watch the video he attached to it.


Give peace a chance

Ijaw wannabes.

Etrusen:
Wise ppo look at things b4 talking

Don't just jump in please

Obviously your claim is a blind one. Because you don't know anything about them.

Etrusen:
What if I bring where they say that they are not idoma

They are looking for a separate identity. For whatever reasons.

Definitely doesn't make them Edo though.

Etrusen:
Yea I think you are right


So Bleep off


It's obvious that you are pained


Oga do your research and don't just jump into thread


Or you can as well post something at least please

Don't worry you can continue claiming them. The Ijaw are fond of claiming everybody. It has still not made them relevant.

Etrusen:
Bring that of the igede people which is the topic


How I wish we have an igede man in the house

You have no right to speak for the people you only follow what they decide

I'm speaking for them on good authority. As a person who has several Idoma people in my circle, well learned and exposed. I've been intimidated on the Igede issue once or twice. Suffice for me to say Igede are an integral part of the Idoma nation. The Idoma nation which is perhaps up to twice the size you know Idoma to be today.

Etrusen:
So what do you have to say about this

Some Nigerians are so annoyingly foolish. So so foolish. So because at a point in their history a group of people found themselves in Edo state so that means they are Edo people. Your condition is so helpless.

Etrusen:
Then watch how they say they are not idoma before saying what you don't understand

Go sit down. Such nonsense is not new. Even some idiotic governors we know engage in that. Igede people are Idoma through and through.

Igede of Benue/Cross River are all Idoma people.

And bro you should read this �� for your own good.

Niger Delta Republic: Boro did not fight for you.

This is not a piece to malign the young nationalist, in fact it bears praise in many ways. We will take a look at the historic declaration of February 23, 1966 (Niger Delta Republic) and why today's proponents are missing the point.

Due to rising tensions across the Nigeria state, exacerbated by Fulani attacks on other ethnicities, many debates continue to rage across the Nigerian sphere as to whether the country should remain one, or be divided. This is due to the fact that the Fulani marauders are perceived to have the protection of the Nigerian (Fulani controlled) federal government. Hence there seems to be little succour in sight. And this despair has begun to drive secessionist calls across Nigeria in recent times. Of the various (secessionist) agitations rocking the country, there is an agitation for a Niger Delta republic (we will use NDR as we progress).

It is pertinent to note that this new call (for a Niger Delta republic) has not left the discussion stage unlike some other agitations across Nigeria, noteworthy mentions being the Biafran agitation which now receives international coverage (with no follow up so far from the international community), and the agitation for Oduduwa republic (which continues to face heavy scrutiny from local observers as it is rumored to be a ploy to arm twist the federal government into handing power to the region in the next general elections).

Both noteworthy mentions are now in active forms, while the agitation for a Niger Delta republic remains at a "derived" level i.e it is only mentioned as a means of disassociating from the Biafran agitation because the territories argued by some Biafran proponents remain debatable. This would make the NDR agitation take a semblance of an unserious agitation. Nonetheless, unserious or not, its proponents argue feverishly in favor of the said, would be republic, whenever called upon. To drive home their point they argue that the Niger Delta republic was the first secessionist movement to rock Nigeria (in Feb 1966) led by the nationalist Adaka Boro. Historically true in general. But not accurate when scrutinized closely.

The NDR agitation as led by Adaka Boro is nothing like the NDR as feverishly argued by its proponents today. In fact, both are so divergent that attempting to marry both without fully understanding background and context is laughable, even downright silly. From 1963 Adaka Boro began to champion a cause against the Nigerian government (for greater control of the oil resources domiciled in his home area) whom he felt were cheating the indigenous people, from whose lands Nigeria was making huge proceeds, with little or nothing to show in terms of development. He would continue championing this cause for the following years to come. However, for some reason, around 1965 (or earlier) he would interestingly begin frolicking with the antagonists in the central government. He would entangle himself so much with strange bedfellows that on instigation from Balewa (head of the central government and erstwhile foe) Boro would begin to shift blame to the then Eastern region's government as the cause of his people's plight. Things would take a turn after the military takes over in January of 1966. Boro would go from brilliant activist to armed rebel leader, forming a militia to fight the military government. Why Boro chose the critical period of a fresh military takeover, to take up arms against the state seems sketchy. However, with benefit of hindsight it now seems foolhardy. However in his fight against the government for greater resource control, which culminated in the declaration of a breakaway Niger Delta republic, his own area has gone from enjoying a 50% benefits derivation from oil proceeds in the then Eastern region (whose leadership he had now made the target of his aspersions) to 13% in Nigeria today. That is to say his area has become worse off. Adding to worsen the situation, is the fact that vast areas of the environment, over 50 years on, have become heavily polluted from oil spills. No development. Nothing. Boro would be turning in his grave. However, this fall in fortunes in spite of Boro's agitation (and his later frolicking with the central government), is a piece of historical information the proponents deliberately ignore. Perhaps out of shame or a lack of superior argument.

Another historical piece of information which some proponents of NDR fail to put into consideration (or are completely ignorant of) is the territory of the NDR declared by the nationalist Boro. Boro who was quite intelligent, recognized the complex nature of the coastal areas (where the bulk of oil resources was gotten) of the then Eastern region. He discovered and recognized the loose inter-relationships between the numerous ethnicities, which was evident in their various divergent perspectives, difference in value systems. Difference in aspirations and allegiances. Aspirations and allegiances he realized he could never truly control. Hence, he would make the smartest choice, which was to opt for a territory whose destiny he could forge: a nearly homogeneous Ijaw country (likely with one or two closely related ethnicities in and around the area). Pix attached below. Important to note, is the fact that the pseudonym Niger Delta was actually a brilliant, well thought out name the country he would later declare. This is because the Ijaw areas, of interest to him, mostly, if not completely, fall into the Delta area of the great River Niger, with its over hundreds tributaries bubbling with rich biodiversity. Pix attached below. Very apt name. However this key consideration is overlooked by today's NDR proponents.

Another point, as already highlighted above is the peoples of interest in Boro's NDR. He fought mainly for the Ijaw peoples. Perhaps not strictly. But surely, with the understanding of the terrain and the peoples therein, it was a no brainer to take his Ijaw people as focus. Today's proponents either willfully or ignorantly fail to see this. In many a fora it is common to see people from ethnicities with no known connection to Boro's Ijaw, either historically, geographically or culturally, argue vehemently in favor of a NDR. This is a sociopolitical anomaly for several reasons, chief amongst them being that a workable political (inclusive) set up for this new NDR (spanning foreign lands and unrelated peoples with strongly divergent worldviews) remains elusive to achieve in theory, much less in practice. Proponents from ethnicities with no verifiable mutuality with the Ijaw peoples, in worldview or ambition, are found clamoring for something they have a poor understanding of. Nations are not created on a whim or they become unworkable a little period afterwards. In these various fora, it gets even worse as one can see Igboid ethnicities in the South South region chanting for NDR. The same NDR that was declared by a man who was unhappy with (the illusion of) "Igbo domination" in the Eastern region. A man who by deduction, could be said to be fighting the Igbo. Yet Igbo people in the South South region, in a crass display of ignorance chant for NDR. What an irony. Many of these ethnic Igbos today in the South South are ignorant of the fact that Rivers state when newly created in 1967, was an Ijaw controlled state. The Igboid ethnic groups who found themselves in the new Ijaw dominated Rivers state were dealt with severely by the Ijaw in power. The Ijaws, extremely jubilant and ecstatic to have a state in their control, literally crushed the Igbo peoples therein into submission. All this is verifiable and well documented, not hearsay. This is not to taint any group of person or indeed ethnicity. Just setting the records straight.

Another issue sprouting from stark ignorance from today's NDR agitators, is the choice of the "Niger Delta" name. The name as popularized by the nationalist Boro was apt for the terrain he had in mind: the majorly Ijaw terrain resting on the Delta of the great River Niger. Proponents from other areas who clamor for a nation with the name "Niger Delta" are poorly informed. The following territories as listed, which include the Ibibio areas, Cross River, Rivers, Anioma, Urhobo areas, Benin area, are infact territorially outside the Niger Delta. In simple terms, they are outsiders to the true Niger Delta area. Flying such name for the would be country would be a national heritage error and would insinuate that the Ijaw peoples are the custodians of the would be NDR, to which the others must kowtow. This could prove to backfire if the enthroned custodians decide to (solely or mostly) determine all affairs of state, as they would have the greatest claim to nationhood, power and influence. This could be solved though, if there are agreements to run an all inclusive style of governance. Interestingly though, in the mean time, none of the proponents today give thought, or make mention of such critical considerations. They appear blind to this latent issues.

In discussions and considerations going forwards it would be in the interest of NDR proponents who are outside the true Niger Delta (Ijaw) territory, to critical investigate or deliberate on these few salients points because in the NDR struggle of 1966 during the 12 day revolution, the nationalist, Isaac Jasper Adaka Boro, did not fight for you.

https://www.nairaland.com/6613609/niger-delta-republic-boro-did#102942777

Lwkmd you too funny bro. You dey fear Fulaniiii?

Kinematics:
Ibos won't seize to amaize me. If you guys like open 1 million threads on nairaland...


In Niger Delta we trust.


Op your tears is delicious...

Na true sef. How far my sister. Where do you fall in this map? No go claim Ijaw people Niger Delta o.

richmond500:
I ain't reading this long shit.
BTW, can u drop the link where u got that pic showing the rivers? I wan check something.

Also where the fvck is coastal Igbo's? That part is occupied by Kalabaris, ogoni,Ikwerre Andoni etc. Don't go and annex other peoples land so u don't cause fight here

Added to Ikwerre, you forgot Opobo and Ubani indigenous Igbos. They are all coastal Igbos.

Unu che no soso unu malu agba egwu uche. O ga ka unu aka n'aru.