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Emaprince:
Pep can never win even a local spoon without money nor with under dog team. He just likes flying around the biggest clubs with the biggest spending power in every league.

The same ediot that ran away from a Chelsea job because Chelsea needed 10 new players. Imagine that!!!

He would have been a massive failure if he managed Chelsea. Well, he was a huge failure in his first EPL season until the total overhauling which MONEY gave him though.

Cheque book manager!!

Shebi dem give Mourinho the same money at Man Utd na sack letter follow

All the 3 rich clubs he coached sacked him

Since Pep got to City he has only spent 70M more than Chelsea,

In the 3 seasons can we sum the EPL points by Chelsea and City and compare?

Afolabi6046:
Mourinho won UCL with Porto and Inter, Pep won Super Cup

Oya Zlatan 1 UEFA Super Cup, 1 FIFA Club World Cup. Klose 0000000000000

Pep won 2 CL Mourinho won 2 CL
Pep added 3 Super cups Mourinho lost all 4 super cups
Head to head Pep 9 wins Mourinho 4

Klose 1 world cup >>> Everything Zlatan ever won

elampiro:
hy are people now saying that nothing can be done without sacking many players and upgrading on them?

Some said it will take time for the new coach to change the Mourinho mentality in the players.

I don't understand. I thought the argument was that we have better than players than Manchester City.

Una dey kill my morale

Mourinho bought the type of players he wanted and they failed
A new coach might need to buy a mobile striker different from Lukaku, buy a new DM not Matic, buy a new CB not Bailly
Mourinho has ruined the mentality of the team and another coach will need a full pre season to change it

hensben:
How much has city spent on players since pep arrived?

600M Euros

sleekdot:
Ibime can you prove with $100 backing that Porto won the treble in 2004?

nihilistjnr, boardman please take collection

Ibime you told us Mourinho won the treble in 2004

Can you back this up with $100 or were you lying as usual?

Ibime:
Will you pick Fabio Capello or Pochettino currently.

Capello is greater than Pochettono.

Capello has retired how many years ago? Mourinho was still active till 5 days ago

Ibime:
Same way they both met in LaLiga, where one broke all LaLiga records, whilst the other one resigned in frustration.
We are not interested in what Pep did against farmers from Brazil, Casablanca and Tokyo in Super cups please.
After Mourinho severely flogged Pep in our earlier comparison of UCL achievements, you went to start quoting local achievements. Now you are going to Casablanca to find achievements for Pep.

Pep entered into a FIFA tournament and won 3 times

Pep entered UEFA super cup 3 times and won all the 3 times,
Mourinho entered this same UEFA super cup 4 times and lost all

The first coach in the history of the competition to lose all 4 attempts

Lana1:
Ok. So if it's all about the bigger competitions, how was Barca that just won UCL before Pep better than Madrid that had not won UCL in years and constantly got knocked out at Ro16 before Mourinho.

Remember, na u don talk say League na for local champions and it's all about your exploits in the big competitions like UCL

No Barca didnt just win the CL, rather they spent the 2 seasons trophyless

hensben:
To be great is mostly based on achievement not on current form.

On current form, I will pick Pochettino over pep cos of Chelsea transfer policy lately which pep will not accept cos he will need ten quality players to be bought before he can play his style effectively.

Since Pep got to City, How much has Chelsea spent on players?
2018/19 season 137M Euros
2017/18 season 260M Euros
2016/17 season 132M Euros

Total since Pep got to City Chelsea has spent 529M Euros

hensben:
The fact that he will pick pep over Mou currently doesn’t make the former greater than the later.

Mou>>pep any time any day.

If Mou is >> Pep, then why wont you want to pick the greater person to manage your club?

nihilistjnr:
I'm around bro.

Good so ibime $100 to prove Porto won the treble in 2004 as stated by you

All winnings I will donate to the house

I trust ibime wont be using lies to garnish his arguments

popizaino:
Look at supposed better barcelona against real madrid in el- classico a season before pep guardiola took over.

Barcelona finished 18points behind the league winner before Guardiola took over. 12 months later they have won the sextuple

Lana1:
How is Klose that won only two league titles and scored little over 200 goals in his career better than Zlatan that won more than 10 league titles and scored more than 400 goals??

Because Klose won a world cup and was top scorer of all time at the world cup a bigger competition than anything Zlatan did

Same reason Zidane is better than Delpiero despite DelPiero doing better in leagues, Zidanes exploits at bigger competitions makes him superior

Ibime:
Porto and Intermilan did that in 2004 and 2010.

Infact, if you're talking minor treble, Porto did same with UEFA Cup in 2003.

Ibime can you prove with $100 backing that Porto won the treble in 2004?

nihilistjnr, boardman please take collection

Ibime:
The cancelled is all local nonsense. You went to bring local achievements because Pep does not have real achievements. Everything I cancelled, Mourinho achieved in LaLiga, I did not mention it. Pep is a local manager.

Desperation even made you to go add Supercups and Club world cups to find sextuple achievement for Guardiola. Simple achievements Mourinho would have recorded had he stayed at Porto and Inter after winning trebles with them. The only manager to win trebles in 2 different countries.

Any non-local achievement you mentioned was achieved with Messi et al. Pep is nothing but a Phil Scolari, with no achievements of his own. Carryalong manager.

I intentionally added the EPL records because that was where Mourinho wanted them to meet, on Mourinhos turf same league same City after 2.5yrs One broke all records, One got the sack

There was a reason I didnt include the Bundesliga records Pep had

In addition to what I have before


Only 1 coach has won 3 FIFA club world cup titles - Guardiola
Only 2 coaches have won 3 UEFA Super cup titles - Ancelotti and Guardiola
On the flip side, Only 1 coach has lost the UEFA Super cup 4 - Mourinho
Since Messi and Ronaldo reign began only 2 coaches have spent a full season with Ronaldo and not won the CL - Pellegrini and Mourinho

hensben:
Was not correlating there? Barca were top team before pep took over. Real Madrid were struggling when Mou took over. Fact. Pep weakened Bayern Munich before leaving to sugar daddies (man city).

How was Barca a team that went 2yrs trophyless a top team and how was Madrid a team that won 2 league titles 2 consecutive years struggling

Ibime:
Only 3 managers have won UCL with 2 different clubs - Mourinho, Ancelotti and Hitzfeld
Only three managers have won UCL without Messi and Ronaldo since they became World best duopoly 11 years ago - Mourinho, Heynckes and Di Matteo
Only two managers from outside the top 5 leagues have won UCL - Mourinho and Van Gaal
Only one manager has 4 European trophies across 3 different clubs - Mourinho
Only 1 manager has ever led Italian club to the treble - Mourinho
Only 1 manager has 2 trebles in 2 different leagues - Mourinho
Pep is a learner, no different to them Phil Scolari whose only major achievements are being carried along by the best players, with nothing to show outside of that.

Only 1 manager has won a sextuple - Guardiola
Only 1 manager has played 7 consecutive semi finals - Guardiola
Only 1 manager has ever made 100points in the EPL - Guardiola
Only 1 manager had over 105 EPL goals in a season - Guardiola
Only 1 manager has a goal difference of 79 in a season - Guardiola
Only 1 manager won 18 consecutive EPL games - Guardiola
Only 2 managers have won the EPL with 5 games to go - Guardiola

How is Mourinho different from Tony Pulis? Once his defensive boring tactics got found out he was slapped around by different clubs

When Pep left his 2 jobs, Management tried everything to extend him, and still hope he will return. Mourinho has been declared persona non grata at his last jobs

A dinosaur, a relic of the ancient Benitez, Pulis, Allardyce, Mark Hughes school of football

Ibime:
Every dog has it's day, just like Arrigo Sachi, Van Gaal, Wenger etc had their day. Mourinho has reached the end of his day. When Pep day comes, if all he can point to is UCL victories with Messi, Xavi et al, then Mourinho has completely shïtted on him.

Just like Pochettino has been way hotter than Wenger these last 5 years, but if Poch does not achieve something substantial before his day comes, Wenger is totally shïtting on him.

Before Mourinho went away, he was able to witness a total Pep dominance of the same league he claimed superiority over

Mourinho reached the end of his days in disgrace, sacked at his last 3 jobs, Lost the dressing room at his last 3 jobs

Became a total joke the type of coach opponents are wishing he will stay on. Some fans are willing to pay to keep him at Man utd
The object of ridicule
He became the specialist in failure, he became the man who celebrated Europa cup the same cup he took shots at Benitez Chelsea over
He became the man Sevilla was using to get their first CL quarter appearance
He became the man clubs are throwing parties when he gets sacked

His last 3 yrs of top management he finished 24points, 19 points and was another 19points behind the leader before putting him out of his misery

Everything he abused people of, he became.

A yesterdays man

Nihilist who is the mod here to release me from spambot

Leyqute:
Dayo you're funny.
It's not compulsory for a striker to score his best goals in a current season.
A striker may score 30 goals this season and it's possible none of them beat one of the 16 he scored the previous one or two seasons.
Wayne Rooney scored a lot of goals after his overhead kick against Manchester City but none of them are as good.
Yet you get irked when accused of turning amala.

If you list an attackers best goals and about 6 of them were from 4 seasons ago. None of them in the current season. The nearer we come the fewer the better performances For a player that has spent 6 seasons the bulk of his best performances highlights and goals were from 4 seasons ago

That only tells you the trajectory of his career. aka moving downwards, Maybe Hazard started as a productive player and gradually declined into a circus dancer

A40:
Ahh I no know if I fit trust Rudy for this type of game. I'd rather we rest players this weekend than potentially lose a cup tie that can kill morale

I'd rather go into this tie with full squad with a final at stake

Vidal is out for the season. https://twitter.com/FCBayernEN/status/986258370150785024
Coman likely out for the season. One more injury in midfield and we are toast. So we know how thin we are.

Alaba is just returning. Even Madrid rested Ronaldo Modric Kroos Varane last weekend

Leverkusen wey go play this like a final make dem no scatter whats left of our season

airmark:
His goal against arsenal last season, is no.1 not that of 2013/2014. This is about the quality of goals scored.

You don't want me to post goal+assist stats, that chased you away last time.

This is one of the dullards

In response to "No single one this season" He said "His goal against arsenal last season, is no.1"

How does this correlate? Is last season the same as this season?

Was any of these goals this season?

A40:
Na them sabi! Big cup tie today. I thought it was tomorrow sef

Leverkusen are on fire and the boys need to turn up. What would be your go to lineup? Would you start Robbery again?

At this point I will want to conserve our players from injury first

--Kimmich--Sule--Hummels--Bernat
----------------Rudy
----------Tolliso----Muller
---Robben---Wagner---Ribery

Our biggest game is next week and we are already getting injuries piling, Key players are the Alaba Boateng Martinez James Muller and Lewandoski, Muller hardly gets injured so I can risk him

airmark:
Hazard's top 10 goals for Chelsea.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bjW5yJB40KE

Isnt it surprising that most of the goals are in 2013 to 2014. No single one this season. And you are still wondering that why Chelsea failed this season when their best player is a dancer

Ibime:
Chai! Na me do myself.
I should have known you are mentioning me upandan to bait me so you can label me a liar to get back for your boy Elruditor who was caught lying for 2 days to cover up his stupidity.

It will not work with me.

Are you saying you were baited to tell a lie or its just a reflex action for you?

Eruditor:
Look on the bright side. In 3 more pages, the argument will be about a team scoring 121 goals. Not about the goal tally of the individuals involved. And you will be accused of Amala-turning.

I know ibime can try to be mischievous like in the above scenario but a large number of Chelsea fans are genuinely dull. and cant cope/keep pace with logic

If you say 6 is less than 10 that means 10 is greater than 6. Thats too complex for them to handle and they tag it amala turning

Mourinho masterclass loading from dantedasz

Ibime:
But his Real team hold the Laliga goals record which trumps all of that.

If you check well, you will see that your favourite striker Benzema achieved his highest scoring season under Mourinho

Then you should list Benzema and not Lampard, Sneijder Ronaldo or Ozil. That's trying to lie

Ibime:
While I wont argue the point, this is you adding maggi to an article that never mentioned Mourinhos record. Lampard, Sneijder, Ozil, Ronaldo and the whole Real Madrid that broke La Liga scoring record can also put up records similar to the article.

Facts only None of these players you listed above had their highest scoring returns under Mourinho

Ozils highest scoring returns was 11 in 2009/10 under Thomas Schaf
Lampard highest scoring return was 27 in 2009/10 Under Ancelotti
Ronaldo highest scoring returns was 61 in 2014/15 under Ancelotti
Sneijder highest scoring returns was in Ajax where he scored 22 in 06/07 and If you are talking about a top 4 league Sneijder highest return was in Madrid 07/08 under Schuster

WHile Mourinho is getting worse and attacking players getting worse under him

Ibime this is what players are doing under Fraudiola

While players like Pogba, Martial, Alexis, Mata are getting worse under Mourinho


This is what ESPN researched about players under Guardiola

It was Raheem Sterling's 22nd goal of the season. He had doubled his previous best tally
But he has company. Around an hour earlier, Ilkay Gundogan converted a penalty. His sixth goal of the season was a new personal best. Another German, Leroy Sane, had already rattled the post. His total stayed at 13, still a career high. Injury deprived Sergio Aguero of the chance to participate; otherwise he may have closed in on his biggest haul of 33 which, nevertheless, came under Guardiola's management.

It is part of a trend that dates back a decade. Players become more prolific under Guardiola; not all, obviously, but sizeable numbers, many of whom score far more than before. Thomas Muller, Mario Mandzukic and Arjen Robben -- with 32, 26 and 21, respectively -- had their finest scoring season in his Bayern Munich teams. So, at Barcelona, did Andres Iniesta (nine), Bojan Krkic (12), Xavi (14), Pedro (23) and Lionel Messi (a ludicrous 73).

The Argentinian is the great outlier. Yet it is notable both that, pre-Guardiola, his highest total was 17 and that he improved year on year under a mentor: 38 in his first year, followed by 47, 53 and then 73. But in a way Xavi is as indicative, a distributor becoming a scorer for Guardiola. The playmaker never got more than seven goals in a season for Barcelona under any other manager. Like Sterling, he doubled that for Guardiola

afrodoc2:
No idea, but if he decides to leave one can't blame him. Unlike us he is not a lifelong United fan, he is here to work and get paid. JM is jeopardizing his national team career and football legacy.

Even if he is a lifelong United fan, will he sit down while his career rots away when he can be elsewhere making his name. He is 22 and at the time when he should be establishing himself not just sitting on the bench

While players like Pogba, Martial, Alexis, Mata are getting worse under Mourinho


This is what ESPN researched about players under Guardiola

It was Raheem Sterling's 22nd goal of the season. He had doubled his previous best tally
But he has company. Around an hour earlier, Ilkay Gundogan converted a penalty. His sixth goal of the season was a new personal best. Another German, Leroy Sane, had already rattled the post. His total stayed at 13, still a career high. Injury deprived Sergio Aguero of the chance to participate; otherwise he may have closed in on his biggest haul of 33 which, nevertheless, came under Guardiola's management.

It is part of a trend that dates back a decade. Players become more prolific under Guardiola; not all, obviously, but sizeable numbers, many of whom score far more than before. Thomas Muller, Mario Mandzukic and Arjen Robben -- with 32, 26 and 21, respectively -- had their finest scoring season in his Bayern Munich teams. So, at Barcelona, did Andres Iniesta (nine), Bojan Krkic (12), Xavi (14), Pedro (23) and Lionel Messi (a ludicrous 73).

The Argentinian is the great outlier. Yet it is notable both that, pre-Guardiola, his highest total was 17 and that he improved year on year under a mentor: 38 in his first year, followed by 47, 53 and then 73. But in a way Xavi is as indicative, a distributor becoming a scorer for Guardiola. The playmaker never got more than seven goals in a season for Barcelona under any other manager. Like Sterling, he doubled that for Guardiola.

http://www.espn.com/soccer/club/manchester-city/382/blog/post/3459078/raheem-sterling-proves-players-more-prolific-under-pep-guardiola

neezar:
a martial under an attacking coach will bench Dembouz and might likely give Coutinho a run for his money

Dembouz that was bought for 130M or Coutinho that was bought for 120M