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airmark:
Nice try to come clean, out of your filthy post but as usual you failed. Before you joined the fray, ibime and co were talking about iniesta having 0 goal and assists in laliga 2014/2015 season not in all competition because he scored in copa del rey that year. He even compared iniesta with a tree. But in your silly move you brought issue of all competitions from 2008 to 2014 iniesta scoring double digits.



Even at that , the question now is did your iniesta score double digits in all competitions in 2009/2010 and 2010/2011 outta your 08 to 2014 double digits period as you claimed? Where is pataki, elfenomenon1 when you need them? Ramuzaki, didinrinzaki in action

First show us where they said league alone.

Secondly Are you ready to bet $1000 that Iniesta had no goal and no assists in la Liga 2014/2015?

Put your money where your mouth is. The era of free education is over

I am sure you would run like a coward you are

Nihilist:
Oga park well and on ya inner light

We've shown you several articles that have proven that Iniesta plays as a CM not AM

That being said, how can you say Iniesta does not control tempo? Have you been smoking lala?

Ibime have you asked yourself why Fabregas that gives goals and assist was chased from Barca while Iniesta stayed?

Or why Toure left and Busquet stayed?

Goals and assists are secondary deliverables to being able to keep the ball at Barca.

http://worldsoccertalk.com/2014/10/12/why-cesc-fabregas-never-lived-up-to-his-potential-at-barcelona/

Even when he had far more goals and assists than Iniesta, this so called productive nigga was either played out of position or riding the bench before being chased away and replaced by Rakitic.

Barca paint football...they don't play it.The point is that they play a style that isn't necessarily quantifiable by numbers in the way other teams are. Goals and assists from midfield are less relevant than keeping the ball. Difference between defence and midfield is blurred...we heard the other day how Machsherano said he starts pressing in the same area as Busquets.

They average 62% possesion per game....for around 56 whole minutes of a 90 minute game, their oponnents don't even see ball to touch. You think they can maintain that with the assist chasing CMs?

Dude lay off the chiba!

Ibime used to be intelligent now the fat is getting in the way of his reasoning

Barca has 3 potent attackers who have the ability to score truckloads of goals the whole Midfield is to work the ball to the front 3
he is trying to draw a parralel with Chelsea 4-3-3 I told him to tell us the 3 potent scorers for Chelsea while Lampard was playing CM. We havent heard from him since then

Unproductive Iniesta was kept at Barca while the productive Fabregas was sent out

airmark:
Though guys have been talking about league season's assists but in order to play a smart one, you brought 'all competitions' assists to boost iniesta's stats. Let's assume we are f00ls and you succeeded with that trick, what happened to his ''all competitions'' assists in 2009/2010 and 2010/2011 missing in your post? Did iniesta die in those seasons for you not to have listed them? In all competitions in 2009/10 he had 6 assists, 5 in la liga. Also in ''all competitions'' in 2010/2011 he had 9 assists (no double digits as you fraudulently claimed) while in la liga he had just 3 assists in 32 league matches. Ramuzaki next time you post, remember smarter people are watching all your not-so-smart moves.

Why would any smart person talk about league alone? Is the league the only competition they play?

So if a player scores 10 in CL and 1 in league you would in your infinite foolishness say he had only 1 goal in a season?

Thats why you are never counted among the smart ones at least on this forum

JigsawKillah:
Sleekdot AKA Ramuzaki AKA The Last Truth Bender!
I carry hand and leg for you.




All Hail Ramuzaki the Last Truth Bender

You might be intellectually challenged. But if you read properly you would see I said Iniesta played CM with Xavi. Busquets played as the DM

lordfalcao:
what is then your point blaming Iniesta ability to go a season without a goal and assist on barca attacking trio??

There has never been a season Iniesta went without a goal or an assist in all competition. You can stake $1,000 on it if you are sure

Ibime:
You are the one with the pictures on position. Please show us how many games Fabregas played as false 9 in 2014 when he scored 15 goals.

Fabregas scored 13 goals in 2013/14

Over half of those goals were from CF position

Ibime:
Hahahaha. Desperation!

2 DMs and a CM. . . all because Iniesta can't produce.

Even in a team that camp in opponents half all game. Diaris Goduuuooo!!!

From now on any nigga who can't produce with 2 DMs behind him should just claim he is a CM . . . all expectations will be lifted from him.

To protect him from any expectations of producing the goods, Iniesta keeps disappearing deeper into the midfield like Homer Simpson.

WHo are these 2 DM you talk of?

Xavi is a CM same with Iniesta . Busquets was the only DM. Have you smoked that thing again

Ibime:
When Fabregas went to Barca, did he go there and claim Barca already have 3 scorers so he will not score or assist?

No! He simply went there and scored 15, 14 and 13 goals in consecutive seasons with 12 assists or more per season.

Yet one clown is trying to convince us Iniesta is a defensive midfielder. Are Xavi and Busquets carrying water behind him? GTFOH!

You are just disgracing yourself

WHen Fabregas went to Barca he played a lot as one of the front 3. That was when he was even tried as a false 9. where he scored most of his goals for Barcelona

Lampard was the main dead ball shooter for Chelsea

How many seasons out of the 15 Lampard spent in Chelea did he have 3 prolific strikers in front of him like Iniesta had for most of his career

How did you discredit it when Its known that Iniesta played most of his time as a CM in Barcelona with Xavi and Busquets playing as a DM

Compile all your argument I would be back

Ibime:
Nigga stop lying!

I only know one CM at Barca and that is Xavi.

I also know one AM and that is Iniesta.

Classify it how you wish, if you like call him left-back. He is the attacking one of a 3 man midfield just like Lampard.

Or is this not what one Barcalite posted to show Iniestas success?

WHo are the 3 scorers that Lampard played with while in his Chelsea days start from when you started seeing Lampard in CHelsea till he left the AM/CM role

Iniesta played with Dinho-Etoo-Guily and the others I listed till MSN

Name the 3 scorers Lampard played behind in Chelsea

Lets start the analysis if you have time.

Iniesta played more as the CM in Barca

Ruudie I dey wait you oo

Na party throughout this week for here

Ibime:
Must you stoop so low to defend an AM of Iniestas calibre.

Iniesta went over 365 days in the league with zero goals and zero assists!!!

Is that not already shameful enough for someone of that stature . . . yet you feel the need to argue he may have got one or two assists in Copa Del Rey to hide his shame. What desperation!

You mean stooping low to burst your lies?

You went from

Ibime:
A productive attacking midfielder after 365 days of football:

Yet they still found way to put him in FIFPRO11 with no goals, no assists and no trophies. . .

To Just League games. WHen would you make up your mind on which of the lies you want to stick to?

Ibime:
Xavi is not the attacking midfielder of the two.

Xavi assisted double digits almost every year at his peak from the deep position which is good as gold.

Tell me why a so called attacking midfielder is competing with Sergio Ramos and John Terry for productivity?

Both Iniesta and Xavi were Central midfielders for Barca with Busquets being the DM

And I have just shown that Iniesta had more assists than Xavi for Barca

Ibime:
Muller plays as an AM and contributes 40-50 goals and assists a season.

You claimed Muller, Robben and Lewa are the 3 scorers and Iniesta is more like Ribery who doesnt need to score because others are scoring.

If Iniesta can't do what Muller does in his fellow CAM position, tell us why he doesn't do what Ribery does going by your submission.

If he is not Muller and he is not Ribery, who is he? Javi Martinez?

First Ribery, Robben Muller and Lewandoski have hardly played together

Ribery plays as a Left winger and Iniesta plays in Central midfield

Secondly. Barcelona have 3 scorers who score more volumes than Muller Robben and Lewandoski would ever put up

From Iniesta center midfield he produced 127 assists without taking dead balls

Ibime:
A productive attacking midfielder after 365 days of football:

Yet they still found way to put him in FIFPRO11 with no goals, no assists and no trophies. . . . the same lazy people that put David Luiz in FIFPRO11 after chopping 7 goals at Maracana.

Never has a player had to do so little to be lauded as Iniesta.

Which 365 days time frame did Iniesta not make a goal and an assist in all comeptition for Barcelona

Lets do some fact checking and not just spouting some half truths

Waiting sir

donjazet:
Fun fact: A BARCELONA MIDFIELDER HASNT SCORED UP TO 15 CAREER GOALS IN THE LAST 5 YEARS!!!!!
I mean a novice in football could say David Silva, mesut ozil, luka modric are all BETTER than him!
[size=24pt]SHOCKING[/size]!!!!

Who were these illiterates you chopped their money?

Last 5yrs means from March 2011

Should we bet $1,000 If I prove has scored more than 15 goals in that time till now?

Deal or No deal?

Ibime:
Help me ask Sleekdot aka Raumdeuter.

He told us Iniesta is the Ribery of Barca since Bayern already have Muller, Robben and Lewa to score.

At least I know Ribery contributes 20 assists a season when he's fit.

Ribery for most of his career at Bayern played as a left winger. Iniesta for most of his career played as a CM

Huge difference

lordfalcao:
Barca has three attacking trio that always gaurantee double digits figures, but it didn't stop ninjas like xavi Dani alves from seeing goal, same cannot be said about Iniesta..

is Iniesta so blind or does he always play with cobwebs in his eyes to go a season without seeing goal or assist while ninjas like Dani alves, xavi ET CO have goals/assist upto 2 and above

For Barcelona
Xavi career total 58 goals 113 assists

Iniesta career total 53goals 128 assists

So what exactly is your point

bigkesh:
Abeg.......if you are productive,you are productive........
James has BBC ahead of him and he still scores and give assists
Who are the goal scorers ahead of iniesta in the NT,why isn't he scoring for fun??

Terry has the entire Chelsea 11 ahead of him and he doesn't need to score,yet he is still more productive than Iniesta....

If he has goal scorers ahead of him who don't need him to score but just supply them,tell us why he is still very low in assists...Abi they don't need him to assist them? If so what his job then??

Lampard play with peak Anelka,Drogba and Malouda,and he still scored or assisted well over 40goals....
Imagine if he played behind MSN or Henry-Eto-Messi......


Saying Iniesta doesn't need to score is a big bullshit, goals are always welcomed from anywhere anytime especially when you are playing in a team that wraps up 45% of their games in the first half..... And yet iniesta never contributed to 20 goals in any season....



Put Mata in Iniesta's place and watch the gates of goals and assists open

Was gum pasted on your eyes when Iniesta was delivering double digit assist from 08 to 2014?

08/09 All competitions 16 assists and 5 goals. thats involvement in 21 goals
11/12 All competitions 8 goals 13 assists Thats involvements in 21 goals
12/13 All competitions 21 assists and 6 goals Thats involvement 27 goals

JigsawKillah:
Since he isn't getting goals, he should be getting assists but I can't see them

WHen Iniesta was in his peak between 08 and 14 he was copping double digit assists every season

hensben:
Hazard mostly play to the left in 4-2-3-1 formation We are talking of player's positions on the field of play and iniesta was mostly used as AMF in his career, abi you nor see that one for my post mr. lampard had Anelka, drogba and malouda/Robben playing ahead of him yet still racked assist and goals

Iniesta has Henry-Etoo- Messi, Messi-Pedro-Villa, Messi-Sanchez-Villa and Now MSN ahead of him all these were scoring

WHo were the prolific scorers Lampard had ahead of him in 4-3-3 for over 10yrs that he played actively for Chelsea

Robben max goal was 8 per season while he was here. Anelka got to Chelsea in 2008. Before 2008 who were the 3 prolific scorers ahead of Lampard

Barca always had a front 3 who regularly guarantees double digit goals regularly and didnt need any goal contribution from any of the midfielders

hensben:
when Chelsea play that formation huh. You and person wey put that trash for google nor well.

This is the 4-2-3-1 that Chelsea plays. How is this similar to where Iniesta plays for Barca?

https://sharemytactics.com/16498/Chelsea-formation-tactics.png

This was where Hazard played

[img]http://1.bp..com/-sapBibdB7l4/U5sAx2kfHOI/AAAAAAAAA9s/DQbEWBoPBrY/s1600/lineup1415.jpg[/img]

This is where Iniesta plays

https://sharemytactics.com/44760/Barcelona-UCL-XI-formation-tactics.png

hensben:
when I say same role I meant midfield(I.e, AMF, LMF n AMF). Now hazard played LMF in 4-2-3-1 formation. This three position interchange on the field of play in 4-2-3-1 formation and there are no 3 attackers in this type of formation but 5 midfielders and one striker(costa). Iniesta played mostly as AMF in his career in 4-3-3 formation same with lampard.

Iniesta played to the left of a 3 man midfield and usually had 3 scorers ahead of him. Hazard played closer to the opponent box and never had 3 strikers ahead of him

When Lampard played in a 4-3-3 who were the 3 scorers ahead of him like Iniesta had?

hensben:
Barca play 4-3-3 formation. Read my post again. Chelsea played 4-3-3 before and Anelka was Chelsea Neymar then. When I said hazard is a midfielder while Neymar is a striker dayo argued it until FIFA brought out 35 man list for balon d' or.

You said

hensben:
Did messi play Europe nations cup? Dribble don matter now since na iniesta. Hazard played same role for Chelsea last season, he even scored and assisted yet you guys try to discredit his effort because he didn't score 40 goals plus as a midfielder. Comparing him to a striker(Neymar) who plays in 4-3-3 formation. Nobody is talking about abumeyang because he is not playing in one of the big club. What has done this season that abumeyang is not doing huh.

Iniesta played in midfield in a 4--3--3 with Busquets and Rakitic. So How did Hazard play the same role? If according to you Hazard played the same role then thats why I asked who were the 3 attackers for Chelsea

hensben:
Did messi play Europe nations cup? Dribble don matter now since na iniesta. Hazard played same role for Chelsea last season, he even scored and assisted yet you guys try to discredit his effort because he didn't score 40 goals plus as a midfielder. Comparing him to a striker(Neymar) who plays in 4-3-3 formation. Nobody is talking about abumeyang because he is not playing in one of the big club. What has done this season that abumeyang is not doing huh.

In Chelsea 4-3-3 who are the front 3 players?

Draw was probably the right result

Great game we maintain our 5point lead

Emaprince:
Can we call this a big game?


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zP_5QhKnt1k

The one I showed you was a goal that decided a CL semi final what stage was the one you showed?

Ibime:
If you didn't already know that your graphics is bullshyt, why is Lampard scoring more goals as a CM then as an AM?

WHo are the 3 scorers playing ahead of Lampard like Iniesta had at Barcelona throughout his career

Is this a big game?
https://stream1.gifsoup.com/view/259639/iniesta-goal-vs-chelsea-o.gif

Ibime:
And when did Lampard ever play in a position different to Iniesta?

Are they both not the point men in a 4-3-3.

Who played ahead of Iniesta in Barcas 3?

Lampard also spent the last 3 years of his career playing in a pivot, yet they say he only played 3 games in his career as a DM.

Like I said, those graphics are rubbish. Niggas don't know what they are inputting into that graphics to tell us that Iniesta only played 14 games as AM. Meanwhile they can't make up their mind if Lampard who plays exactly the same position is AM or CM so they split him down the middle.

Your graphics is discredited. QED.


Any point man in 4-3-3 putting up John Terry level of productivity should be ashamed of himself.

You are now misyarning. When Lampard was in the double pivot I am sure he was classified as a CM. When Chelsea played 4-2-3-1. Was Fabregas not part of the double pivot? would you classify Fabregas as a DM?

At Barca either it was Messi-Villa-Pedro, Henry-Etoo-Messi, MSN most times at Barca Iniesta had 3 strikers ahead of him, who were the MSN, MVP, HEM that Lampard had ahead of him.

Most times Lampard played off the striker
Lampard didnt play the same position as Iniesta. Ini was more to the left while Lampard was always ghosting behind the striker. Check Lampard

Below is a typical Lampard heatmap which shows him occupying central position behind the striker
[img]http://1.bp..com/-W3hihDwxSBk/UhcbUU0G3qI/AAAAAAAAAS4/1LN05HDnyAg/s1600/LampHullHeat.jpg[/img]
https://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2013/09/06/article-2414333-1BAA742B000005DC-901_634x422.jpg

This is a typical Iniesta heatmap which shows he is more to the Left side of midfield

[img]https://chalkontheboots.files./2013/01/iniesta-heat-map-060113.png[/img]

[img]https://offsideline.files./2013/09/iniesta-heat-map.jpg[/img]
https://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2014/02/19/article-2562817-1BA1BC8200000578-943_634x415.jpg