₦airaland Forum

ShyM-X:
You go first, bro.

What should be the next step?

If by go first, you mean make a suggestion, I already did that: we must identify secessionist organizations. We all know of MASSOB, BZM, and other such groups from the East. Let us properly identify those from other parts and support them. We must all speak against harassment of members of such groups since democracy supports their rights.

Now, you go. What secessionist groups do you know of in your region or other regions?

ShyM-X:
You go first, bro.

What should be the next step?

If by go first, you mean make a suggestion, I already did that.

Just read your comment fully. Full response bellow.

Afam4eva: If and should Nigeria break, there won't really be any difference as people will think. Hausas will still be al over the country doing their bureau de change business, suya business and other business unique to them. Igbos will retain their trading business especially spare parts selling in cities all over the country. Yorubas will continue with their taxi business all over the country. So, it's not like everyone will back their bags and leave where they currently live if they. The only thing is that, they will now become foreigners.

Who told you Ghana is not progressing. Rome was not built in a day.

@ShyM-X and @Yoruba-Ah!-Ye!

TRUCE. This is getting to an unproductive level. Let us begin discussion on breaking the country up. We can discuss history more fully afterwards. We would never agree on history, but we can fashion our future.

God bless Biafra.

Yoruba-Ah!-Ye!:
The same confederation Ojukwu asked for . You had your chance...you blew it..bloody coward, u are stuck with us .

It is unfortunate that it took precious Biafran lives for Nigerians to realise their folly. But we cannot change the past. Join us to discus how we can actualise Biafra, this back-and-forth argument will not go beyond insults. Let us engage in a new one that protects Biafran interest. Do you not prefer an economically and militarily powerful Biafra defending your interests and your rights throughout the world? Let's discuss how to bring that about.

ShyM-X:
If you want a bloodless break-up, then it has to start with creating a confederation, where new identities are created within the Nigerian nation. With that, it'll be easier to achieve a political break-up.

Even that has to be done politically. We must identify the political groups that support this and elect them, at least in the federal houses. Over time, we can strengthen the confederates and empower them to have their own armies and produce their own weapons - for those that have manufacturing capacity.

I would be interested to know any political party or organization that supports confederation beyond making drab statements.

ShyM-X:
Nigeria is like an arranged marriage with no love and/or trust whatsoever between the two parties involved. Then after a few years - domestic violence between the two people got into the mix. And despite all the physical, psychological, and emotional pains; they still don't want to get a divorce smfdh.

Also, the "Giant of Africa" title is a ruse. No country in Africa, or all of Africa combined, will be powerful enough to challenge the civilised world in the next 400 years. So why the nonsense about being together by fire by force? You lot need to get out of the sinking ship and create new countries that would be easier to manage by incorporating the lessons learnt from the Nigerian experience.

There's absolutely nothing to miss about Nigeria, but a lot to be thankful for, if and when the country decides to sit on a c4 and blow itself up to smithereens.

Hotep!!

Good comment. Now people of like mind like you and me should take this conversation to the next level - how do we make the breakup seamless and as bloodless as possible instead of adopting the unintelligent Nigerian way of waiting for someone else to make the first move. We should support secessionist political parties and organizations from all parts of Nigeria. You should support MASSOB and I should support the Odua Nationalist Movement (if that's the correct name) and other peaceful separatist movements from all parts of the country. We should encourage them to seek elective offices and vote for them. They would be able to negotiate a practical political means of breaking the country that involves referendums in different parts of the country. This is the way forward.

Waspy: Bad belle pple, Enemies of ( unity and faith, peace and progress)...
#Naija o ni baje.
#Be careful what u wish for
#the devil u knw is better than an angel u'll neva met
#Pray for the good of ur Jerusalem

Agreed. Biafra is my Jerusalem.
God bless Biafra.

se.xkilza.phull:
First, the earth will miss millions of humans who will be victims of the break-up, if there is a war.

However, if it were by negotiation, one of the pre-conditions is first to have every one return to their father's ancestral land first for like 10 - 20 years BEFORE breakup. That is more than enough time to get used to it and make new friends anyway. Some of us who don't even live in Nigeria will not even feel it that much...LOL.

So, ibos MUST go back to their iboland first.
The Hausas/Fulani are nice like you said and will go back to their lands, if such a law is made.
The Yorubas will have no problems going back.
All the other tribes should do the same!

Then the BIG KABOOM of disintegration of the cesspit from the people who have kept us back! LWTMB The only people who are most certainly NOT to obey such a resolution, yes you guessed right! They want Lagos and Kano, Abuja and the oil fields of Ijawland and Rivers! The funny thing is the same people who cannot vote useful governors now, who cannot show the world they are special anything now, they somehow think a landlocked country with potential hostiles / non-friendly countries will make their land paradise? Not only with it landlocked, it will be air locked for the air-space of their land will also be accessible from the air-space of people who they have abused for decades now. What if every aircraft known to be going to your land is shot down or allowed to fly after paying very heavy taxes? Where will food come from? Even if it were shipped in from China, for it to fly through other countries borders, it will have to be shared 50-50! It won't be long before economic strangulation and violence makes it obvious it is very unworkable. Only by that time, every part of the SW (including any peoples that go with them) will make it impossible for any ibo to live and work in their lands. Sell your properties now before it is too late or uproot it and take it with you. You will never be able to eat your cake and have it. [size=16pt]If Nigeria and NIGERIANS are NOT GOOD ENOUGH for you NOW, THE PEOPLES WILL CHOOSE NOT TO BE GOOD ENOUGH FOR YOU AFTERWARDS! [/size]

I definitely would not miss Nigerians fantasizing about killing and victimizing Biafrans. They would find out that they do not have the means or permission of the international community to attack a sovereign nation without destroying their own interests. They would also be surprised by the alliances - financial and political - that Biafra would be able to build with African neighbors and foreigners. And besides, if sending "others" out of the South West is going to be a priority, feel free to become like Pakistan after Nigeria's breakup. Rivers tried that, find out how it worked for them.

@onila, look at the good side, not having a Nigerian community to identify with means you would have to learn to relate better with other Africans. This would serve the purpose of pan-Africanism better.

God bless Biafra.

A-ZeD:
In a town in IMO the people are fighting the catholic church because a bishop was appointed from Anambra state.
Moral of the story if you think running a way from your problems would solve it then you are deluded.
My vote is No.

This is the more reason Nigeria should be broken up. We are acquiring bad habits from the rest of Nigeria. That rubbish going on in Imo has a precedent in Benin city where Bini priest are fighting, till now, to impose a Bini priest as the Bishop. Just ask yourself, were the Igbo people not the same people that freely voted Hausa members into the Eastern house? What has happened? Nigeria happened. Nigeria must end, and a new republic take its place, the Biafran republic.

enigma_otr: Our government won't allow that to happen. Wonder why they prefer constitution amendment to SNC? Well if that eventually happens, i'll vote NO. Lets remain in the same country, but each region and state should be independent of each other.

Yes. Exercise your right. But remember, we each have ONE VOTE. No more, no less. And it seems like you are in the minority.

Duru1: Bros, there are numerous examples that Nigeria is teeming with ill-informed trolls. What has declaration of Niger Delta Republic by lunatic Adaka Boro got do with
eastern region of Nigeria? Adaka Boro declared Niger Delta republic and was dealt by the appropriate quarter, in the case, Federal Republic of Nigeria. There was no
shot fired in anger the day of his arrest by the team of soldiers led Major John Obienu.

Sure. No one knows the identities and intentions of posters. But that does not matter. A referendum will give all the chance to decide where their loyalties lie. The referendum that was conducted in the former Eastern region that led some of the members to join Cameroon by their own volition means that they can take responsibility for their decision and not blame Zik or anyone else.

gbadexy: I would vote against it.
I would have naively voted for it before but with what I'm seeing, it would only get worse.
If we have oodua republic, it would be under an individual like tinubu or sarakis or the adedibus or any other oligarchy that comes along.
Ijaws would still be fighting itsekiri and probably egba or ijebu would be dominating the region's politics like the northerners are doing now and it
would be the same old nigeria story all over again.
Indian has more tribes than nigeria but they aren't calling for break up and they seem to move on just fine. Besides, our collective population is an asset that favors any businessman with outlets across the nation. Balkanizing it would work to the
detriment of business owners as the potential clients are reduced. Also, taxes, levies and different conditions would be imposed on sch business
which hitherto had unrestricted movement and assured government policy across the region.

You raise a good concern. But ultimately, it is the responsibility of citizens to fight against political rascality. You don't want a family controlling Lagos, speak up. What we have right now is if you criticise any state government, people ask where are you from. If not from that state, they open threads like "all the people criticizing Fashola are from the same tribe". Ultimately, we get the message that, the way Nigeria is set up, you can only influence governments if you are an indigene. And worst of all, these bad attributes starts infecting areas that don't have the problem. God fatherism, which is alien to Igbo culture, has been fought against in Anambra and Enugu states. Abia state is in the process of fighting it. It's the warrant chief situation all over again several years after the end of colonialism. Independence would mean that you, @gbadexy, and like minded individuals would fight against people who want to make Lagos family property without having to be distracted by side commenters.

And all this fear of Egba or Ijebu dominating politics is silly. If they are voted in by the people most of the time, why should they not dominate politics in the region? Asian students are dominating advanced education in America; you don't hear Americans whining like Nigerians would do in that situation. Who the cap fits, let him wear it. If you want prominence, work for it.

In terms of trade, there are already informal obstacles to free flow of goods and services between the regions. Importers from Nigeria, for example, are not using Nigerian ports: http://allafrica.com/stories/201304250989.html .

And since you mentioned India, may I remind you that India was partitioned (divided) before independence.

dolphinife: looking at the map clearly, it depicts arrogance and deceit. These Igbo bigots will go at any length to claim Niger-delta as part of IGBO...FYI, IGBO is
different frm NIGER DELTA and so shall it be.....any attempt to bring NIGER-DELTA under the useless influnce of IGBOS shall be met with
perpendicular and alternate force....a word is enough for the wise.....everybody should answer the name of his father

Hahahaha. Why would we need to be crazy about numerical advantage when we are not Nigerians? The way you Nigerians have chosen to run the country over the years caused all sides, starting from the North, to inflate population figures in order to get more oil money. Biafra would not be dependent on oil like Nigeria is.

ebucha: . Adaka Boro declared the Niger-Delta Republic in 1966 even before the civil war in 1967 due to oppression from the then South-East regional government. http://www.gamji.com/article4000/NEWS4657.htm

Ah, this good old chestnut. Well, it would be nice to know what oppression the Eastern minorities suffered considering that Adaka Boro himself - along with other Eastern minorities, which include Ken Saro-wiwa - got a scholarship from the Eastern government and was voted as student union leader by the" Igbo majority" in his university, a status Saro-wiwa complained he was deprived of in the University of Ibadan. I would really love to know what exactly this "oppression" entails. Besides, anyone who knows history knows that Adaka's action was a Potemkin political move planned earlier with his Northern partners who he saw as "the only ally of the Ijaw" and his dream of having a Niger Delta "strictly for the Ijaws" was a Hitleresque idea. It would be interesting to hear the opinion of other Niger Deltans in the light of the recent news of Ijaw militants claiming responsibility for the killing of Itsekiri citizens.

No matter, I said not all territories of the former Eastern region should be included in Biafra. It is up to them really. That's what referendum is meant for. Anyone in that region who agrees with Adaka Boro's ideas should please vote against joining Biafra in the referendum. Tell your relatives to do same.

We Biafrans believe everyone must work hard to get ahead, not wait around for handouts and claiming "oppression" when that handout is not forthcoming.

We are Biafrans, and God is with us.

Symphony007: I mean no insult to those advocating biafra passionately. We're all learning and luminating each other. What makes you think the nigerian igbo's who can't come together to advance a consensus candidate for the presidency and disagree on so many issues can live together in their own nation without conflict?

This talk of consensus candidates is barbaric. Why do we need elections if we want to run the country by consensus candidacy? Do Americans have consensus candidates or do they elect candidates to represent their parties in national elections?

ebucha: Unfortunately, Niger-Deltans don't like that map, cos they can't imaging themselves as Biafrans.

There is nothing unfortunate about that. Trust me, we don't want all parts of the Niger Delta in the Biafran federation. Check the concern about allowing any part of the Niger Delta here www.nairaland.com/1331718/preparing-east-post-nigeria-future and the condition under which any territory shall be admitted to the Biafran union here www.nairaland.com/1340291/preparing-east-post-nigeria-future


Source: From later post - www.nairaland.com/1347452/nigeria-referendum-division-vote-yes/1#16640028

ebucha: . Adaka Boro declared the Niger-Delta Republic in 1966 even before the civil war in 1967 due to oppression from the then South-East regional government. http://www.gamji.com/article4000/NEWS4657.htm

Ah, this good old chestnut. Well, it would be nice to know what oppression the Eastern minorities suffered considering that Adaka Boro himself - along with other Eastern minorities, which include Ken Saro-wiwa - got a scholarship from the Eastern government and was voted as student union leader by the" Igbo majority" in his university, a status Saro-wiwa complained he was deprived of in the University of Ibadan. I would really love to know what exactly this "oppression" entails. Besides, anyone who knows history knows that Adaka's action was a Potemkin political move planned earlier with his Northern partners who he saw as "the only ally of the Ijaw" and his dream of having a Niger Delta "strictly for the Ijaws" was a Hitleresque idea. It would be interesting to hear the opinion of other Niger Deltans in the light of the recent news of Ijaw militants claiming responsibility for the killing of Itsekiri citizens.

No matter, I said not all territories of the former Eastern region should be included in Biafra. It is up to them really. That's what referendum is meant for. Anyone in that region who agrees with Adaka Boro's ideas should please vote against joining Biafra in the referendum. Tell your relatives to do same.

We Biafrans believe everyone must work hard to get ahead, not wait around for handouts and claiming "oppression" when that handout is not forthcoming.

We are Biafrans, and God is with us.

There is really no reason to wait till next year. Let's move towards a peaceful means of secession.

The breakaway of God's republic, Biafra, from what is currently referred to as Nigeria would preferably be seamless and the sooner the better.

We seem to have discussed this topic in at least one other thread, www.nairaland.com/600904/referendum-biafara-next-nigeria-allow .

An overwhelming majority agree to secession. Let's move the conversation forward, instead of going in circles. What practical steps can we take to bring this referendum to fruition? "Nigerians" should support the rights of separatist parties to partake in politics and elect them into power. This way, we can enable the country to disintegrate peacefully and allow the divine Manifest Destiny of the Holy Biafran Union to manifest and move African renaissance and cultural and technological rebirth to a new level. [size=16pt]God bless Biafra!!![/size]

Symphony007: It's 1st october 2014 and you're in your sitting room tuned to nta awaiting the independence day address of the president. A few minutes later the national anthem comes on and the president come on air. "fellow nigerians, after a 100 years together as a nation, it is now a national consensus that the divisions amongs us will continue to hinder our progress until we decided if we start the next century of our nation, together or divided, therefore, it is with the support of the national assembly, the 36 states governours and state assemblies that the federal government annouces that in the coming months a referendum on the division or unity of nigeria will be held"

fast forward months later and you're on a line in the polling station about to get your ballot for the referendum, so many things are running through your mind, before you know it, you're alone in a polling boot with a ballot that says "yes" "no".your hand is inked up and you start thinking of the tribalism, the born to rule syndrome, your grandfather who died fighting a piontless civil war, the injustice at the same time you think of the lovely people you met when you lived in one part of nigeria. You think of your kind hausa friend, you think of your lovely igbo girlfriend, your amazing yoruba neigbour and that smart niger delta guy at the office. It's tough. A policeman is banging on your polling boot that your wasting too much time, the line is long. You look at the paper. "yes" "no". Were will you place ur finger?

@bolded No it's not.

And for the rest, I refer you to @chidindufrank last comment.

So it's settled. We would vote yes. Now let's discuss preparation for Biafran independence:

www.nairaland.com/1248907/preparing-east-post-nigeria-future
www.nairaland.com/1331718/preparing-east-post-nigeria-future
www.nairaland.com/1333111/preparing-east-post-nigeria-future
www.nairaland.com/1340291/preparing-east-post-nigeria-future
www.nairaland.com/1341397/preparing-east-post-nigeria-future
www.nairaland.com/1344788/preparing-east-post-nigeria-future