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BusinessRe: Why Is The UK Currency Still High? by SmartTalk: 9:47pm On Jun 20, 2013
2buff: Does the UK even produce anything? With all the world market minglings going on (US, China, India), the UK seems not all that involved in a lot of global economics. What do they even do? What are they known for economically (besides being a terribly expensive place to live and school).
Financial services. That's their mainstay now.
PoliticsRe: Culpability Of Biafran Leaders In The Death Of Millions Of Children by SmartTalk: 9:30pm On Jun 20, 2013
T8ksy: And why should I spend my hard-earned money on that pile of junk you all termed “personal account”? From the excerpts I read, its not difficult to haphazard what will be in the hard cover. Same old ibo chest beatings we have all become accustomed to. Just because Achebe’s bigoted and senile write resonate with your warped mindset doesn’t mean the rest of us can’t discern where the old fool is coming from.


@ bolded...............Oh finally the penny dropped!!! I suppose when your ibo brothers were murdering other region’s leaders whilst “coincidentally” shedding theirs, you all believed we are ONE united country?

When achebe decided to penned fabricated stories about the late sage, we yorubas as Omoluabis, who will forever be greatful to the man for all he did for us during those tempestuous period in our history, have the automatic cultural right to DEFEND him with FACTS.


We are not INGRATS or BASTARDS. Consequently, we will not readily swallow stories about our “father” from his enemies. And when his enemies attempt to slander his good name, we omoluabis cannot be silenced.
I do not expect you to read the book or even know what junk means; what I am against is ignorant assertions and irresponsible statements. Another ignorant person would read your comments and think there is some truth to it. Even in the excerpts available publicly, there is nowhere Achebe painted "others" as evil. And if you truly want to understand bigotry, warped mindset and insolence, just go through your own comments. You are entitled to your own opinion, I give you that, but not to your own facts.

Sure. Let's forget that your Yoruba brothers were part of that coup. Let's also forget that they BEGGED military officials supervising the flawed elections to intervene. My Igbo brothers have learnt their lesson - if any other part of the country is on fire, just leave and let it burn. Helping other Nigerians only get you a knife in the back. We also appreciate that if Awolowo had undertaken his coup d'être, the story would have been much different.

If you have any useful contribution that is unfabricated, write your own book. But like I said, you are not entitled to your own facts. And hurling insults at Achebe does not count as defending his legacy. Neither does revising history help in that regard.
PoliticsThe Evil Of "Federal Character" And "Quota System" by SmartTalk(op): 9:14pm On Jun 20, 2013
Source: www.punchng.com/opinion/breeding-dunces-through-quota-system/

Breeding dunces through quota system
The revelation of the cut-off marks for admission into Federal Government Colleges otherwise known as Unity Schools nationwide released recently by the Federal Ministry of Education is scandalous, extremely disturbing and should worry every patriotic Nigerian who has the well-being of this country at heart. I count myself as one despite my constant disillusionment with the shoddy way the Nigerian Project is being managed as in this particular case. But then as a senior friend and mentor once said encouragingly, “Don’t give up, we’ll keep plodding till we get it right someday”. But with an absurdity like this happening in the educational sector deemed to be a critical factor in national development, can we ever get it right?

I am aware this has been going on for years and successive administrations have consistently and tacitly encouraged the breeding of dunces in public schools in some sections of the country by virtue of the federal character principle and quota system. I believe the appointed time has come for well-meaning Nigerians to strongly condemn this retrogressive policy that confounds all known logical and educational reasoning. If not that this is a country where leaders celebrate shame and infamy, pray what will make the Governors of Yobe, Zamfara, Taraba, Kebbi and Sokoto states, where cut-off marks for admission are two, four, three, nine, and nine, respectively, over 200, laud a single development programme in their states? These cut-off marks are indications that this is non-existent. After 14 years of civil rule, it is only huge educational liability these states could offer the nation. I do not need to visit them to authenticate their governors’ infamous claims of building of classroom blocks and donating thousands of textbooks; the examination scores are damning evidence and they should bow their inglorious heads in the mud.

I empathise with states such as Anambra, Imo, Abia, Enugu, Delta, Lagos and Ogun whose cut-off marks are within the range of 130-139 over 200, and which had routinely received the short end of the stick as a result of this obnoxious policy. I, particularly, feel the pain and frustration of parents, guardians, teachers and leaders whose efforts in bequeathing their future leaders good quality education have been derided by this policy of the
Federal Government. I join them to question why these children should be punished for being studious and bright; why they have to sacrifice their educational goals this early in life to give their counterparts from the so-
called educationally disadvantaged states a chance, as if it is any of their making, as if they are not carrying enough burden for simply being born and bred in Nigeria. These innocent young boys and girls are being made to suffer for the misrule, negligence and corruption in these states that have deprived their younger citizens of quality education. Unfortunately for them, this is the beginning of several bumps in the road to succeeding in Nigeria. I sincerely hope their parents and guardians would be forthright and courageous enough to explain to them that our warped sense of patriotism calls for a lifetime of sacrifice that starts from secondary education (with the inequitable admission policy for Unity Schools) and continues into higher education (with JAMB’s discriminatory requirements for admission into universities and polytechnics) and right into working life, especially, if they plan a career in the public service (with the Federal Character principle that spurns meritocracy). They should let their charges know the retrogressive forces they need to fend off to make it in Nigeria — being constantly aware that the Nigerian state does not want you to aspire to be the best; to be competitive is repugnant to the Nigerian dream, to be creative is abhorrent to the Nigerian nature; and to have goals is an abomination in Nigeria’s very peculiar environment.

Richard Branson, CEO of Virgin Atlantic, who is a product of a system that encourages citizens to be the best they can be, captured it aptly when he declared that Nigerian leaders are dream-killers. How do we expect the children from Enugu, Anambra, Lagos, Delta, Abia, Imo, and Ogun states who have excelled in the entrance examination to happily swallow the bitter pill of the quota system/Federal Character principle that sneers at their efforts in this regard? Such children, whose only hope for laying a solid educational foundation probably rests on getting quality education from a Unity School, since their parents or guardians cannot afford the expensive private schools, are short-changed in this most horrible manner. These same children who have studied so hard and scored over 60 per cent have to relinquish their place to their counterparts from Taraba who scored less than six per cent.

A system that rewards failure or mediocrity under any guise will remain in perpetual retrogression. The fact that a state is educationally disadvantaged does not warrant this kind of abysmal performance in an entrance examination. The nagging question in any sane person’s mind is: What curriculum or syllabus is being used to teach pupils in Taraba, Zamfara, Kebbi states among others, to warrant this mass failure? Is it the same one approved by the Federal Ministry of Education and being used nationwide? What has been revealed by the cut-off marks from these states is that zero teaching is going on there – an indication of a gradual descent into
sub-national illiteracy. Obviously, the governors from these states have a lot of explanation to do. Is it any wonder some of these states record large number of enthusiastic recruits into the Boko Haram sect?

The irony in all of this is that by embarking on this unjust policy, the Federal Government is punishing states which have made a concerted effort in the basic education of their citizens, by raising the bar impossibly too high for them to gain admission into the Unity Schools. On the other hand it had rewarded states which have failed to educate their citizens by lowering the bar, and even removing it in some cases, to make it possible for them to secure admission into the same schools. Thus the failure of the child from Yobe is equivalent to success in the government’s calculation, while the success of his counterpart from Anambra or Delta is tantamount to failure. What a paradox! It is only in Nigeria that this can happen.

My only advice to children from states with educational prospects is never to give up their dreams. In making sense of this injustice, they should understand that the failure of their counterparts from the educationally backward states is not by reason of their genetic makeup. Sadly, the system they trust and that should encourage them to aspire to be the best has instead turned them into dunces, as a ploy to keep them in perpetual servitude. The onus is on their parents and guardians to break this yoke by ensuring they go the extra mile to acquire education for their children and wards. There lies the key to their liberation.
PoliticsRe: Ubah Tackles Obi Over Car Gifts To Traditional Rulers by SmartTalk: 10:30pm On Jun 19, 2013
Nightshift: As often as it has been on Igbo matters on NL, we can have different opinions.
Take a look at Achebe's take on the issue of traditional rulers in Igboland in his famous book " The Trouble With Nigeria". The book was published in mid 80s , when the foundation for the current 'chiefs' syndrome in Igboland was laid.
The NPP of Governors Jim Nwobodo and Sam Mbakwe politicized the stools of traditional rulers in Igboland. Since then, the situation has worsened with more government and money-bag influences.
Honestly, you are the only one making sense on this thread so far. We, the Igbo people, are Republicans. We do not recognize these "royal fathers". We must leave the backwardness of buying stuff for so-called royalty for Britain, and other African culture that believes in that system. And besides, Uba has questions to ask on corruption. Why is he not in jail? Oh, I forgot. It's a Nigerian thing. We would do away with corrupt individuals and faux-monarchy when Nigeria is done with the mistake of its existence. The Biafran nation will recognize NO MONARCH officially. We might only ceremonially recognize the two monarchs you mentioned but even they must work for their money. We would also put corrupt clowns like Uba where they belong - in jail.
PoliticsRe: Culpability Of Biafran Leaders In The Death Of Millions Of Children by SmartTalk: 9:18pm On Jun 19, 2013
T9ksy: Gosh! Its amazing how you guys cogitate! Do you mean the issue, whatever it is, is dead and buried? Who says? You lot? So when achebe penned his pile of junk which you all ignorantly called a book and claim its based on his personal experience, what was his aim? To unite us? When achebe wrote things like “oh ibos are superior to all the other ethnic groups in Nigeria”, what was his aim? To make these other groups, love and respect the ibos?

Let it be known to achebe and his co-travellers in the bus of deceit and revisionism that we are not omo ales- we will always be standing tall and ready to punch holes in your infantile attempts to portray others (in the country),as evil with hard FACTS. Not dem say dem say or personal experience from a jaundiced and ethnically-bias prism.

To the op, I say kudos to you and keep it coming.

More grease to your elbow o'jare and let those who can’t stomach the truth, take a long walk off the shortest pier. Yeye peps!!!
You obviously did not read the book and that's the problem - ignorance. You just attribute statements to Achebe that he did not make and say you are countering him with facts. LIES ARE NOT FACTS. There was nowhere that Achebe portrayed "others" in the country as evil. He did criticize Awolowo and Gowon on their wartime actions and atrocities. The fact that so many idiot writers are manufacturing their own "facts" to defend Awolowo and no one else, not even Gowon shows that we are clearly not one country - just a common space filled with a lot of pretenders. The lie spewing defenders only defend their "hero" and cast Achebe's work as an attack on the Yoruba. What stupidity.
PoliticsRe: Untold Stories Of Biafran Inventions by SmartTalk: 8:57pm On Jun 19, 2013
achi4u: proudly Biafran!

The inventory capacity of the Biafran warfare during that war send a wrong signal to the outside world(who is benefiting from the ruins of the war) prompting them to aid nigeria at all cost to ensure that biafra is leveled,today Biafra would've been the Japan of Africa and would not hesitate in helping their African neighbors(nigeria included) .

Again Biafra is not about Nigerdelta oil or their land rather our only concern is our brothers across the niger but maybe they fail to see that picture during those days.

Biafra. cannever die.
We do not need to worry about any of our neighbors. When the die is cast, all that shout BLASPHEMY at any talk of secession now would be the first to ask for secession. If you know a little of Nigeria's history, Lagos threatened to ask for secession long before Biafra was on anyone's lips. "Nigeria" does not exist. In the fullness of time we would see the hypocrisy of the so-called patriots. Biafra is inevitable. It is a waste of time to be seeking any sort of alliance or understanding from other Nigerians; focus mainly on asking for a real defense for their rhetoric on Nigeria's existence. The best they can come up with is "my section of the country has produced president" even though that part of the country is no better than a Russian ghetto.
PoliticsRe: Is Igbo Claim To More Quantitative Education Like Obama's Claim To Achievements? by SmartTalk: 8:29pm On Jun 17, 2013
Yeske!:
Wrong, what was posted was UME/JAMB admission and not registration. Carefully read it up again.
Other points you raised were noted anyway.
Thanks for the correction. However, I would be surprised if UME/JAMB has the figures for admission. Not all that pass JAMB are admitted, so there must be some error on the OP's side.


enigma_otr: And it's a proven fact that high scoring JAMBites don't progress past second year in universities. Or why do you think post-JAMB was introduced. Students within 200-270 score bracket graduate with higher grades than their higher-score counterparts.
However,i don't know of many people enrolling their children in those decaying unity schools these days- may be 5 in a thousand. Since many igbo children enrolled for the exams, it's normal for them to have more pupils that'll pass the exams compared to the few from the west.
enigma_otr: Of what use is quantitative education when a second class(upper division) graduate from imo state university can't fill forms as simple as those you fill in NYSC camps without asking what to fill in from others. Most of the states'owned higher schools of learning in the south east are sham. The grades of their graduates do not reflect in them. Most of the second-class degree students i know, who graduated in a state owned school in the east, could only be lucky to graduate with a third-class degree from any school in the west.
And yet in an international university of international repute without "federal character" and "catchment area" discriminatory policies like the MIT, Igbo students are dominating the fellowships among African students. Check http://legatum.mit.edu/browsepeople
Nigerian universities are USELESS, whether located in the North, East or West. It really doesn't matter who attends, the right skills are not taught. However, the fact that tribal considerations in University appointments started in UNILAG and University of Ife means that the "intellectuals" of those universities have contributed immensely to the erosion of value in Nigerian tertiary education.
PoliticsRe: Why Dont We Just Break-up by SmartTalk: 6:21am On Jun 17, 2013
tobtap: break up into how many units?
As many as can emerge from a democratic process ie referendum.
PoliticsRe: Is Igbo Claim To More Quantitative Education Like Obama's Claim To Achievements? by SmartTalk: 6:08am On Jun 17, 2013
excanny: And how do you intend doing that? Any foundation or NGO in the pipeline. The talented Igbo lads are sometimes not from wealthy families.
I so agree with you. There are just too few scholarships for Nigerians generally in foreign schools where you would see scholarships for Chinese, Indians, Jews, Venezuelans, etc. But before we can provide scholarships, we must generate money to fund it. That is why I suggested means of doing that here: www.nairaland.com/1248907/preparing-east-post-nigeria-future
PoliticsRe: Is Igbo Claim To More Quantitative Education Like Obama's Claim To Achievements? by SmartTalk: 6:03am On Jun 17, 2013
Akin-Egba:
So are you implying that they indeed drop out more than others? If so at what level does this occur? Primary, secondary or after admission into the university? We do not readily have graduation data from the NYSC, but from what I saw during my NYSC orientation camping and from Jakumo's submision here https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-541929.0.html it does appear that they graduate fairly well, although he ended up contradicting himself somewhat.
You quote JAMB registration figures which show higher Igbo student registration. The fact is that all these students cannot be absorbed by the Universities in the East and not all can afford to travel to other countries to further their education. Worse still is the fact that discriminatory policies of "catchment area" and "federal character" in university admission means that indigenes of other states with lower scores have to be admitted before Igbo students can be considered in other Nigerian universities. Keep in mind that all these policies were put in place after the civil war. Before the war, there were complaints of Igbo academics and students dominating institutions and scholarships in Nigeria. That's why we have such policies and that's why the drop out rate among Igbo students are high. That's also why Nigerian university education is in the toilet as merit has been sacrificed on the altar of primordial small-mindedness. The professors are not helping matters as they are the harbingers of tribalism. Those of them asking for university autonomy want to keep the "catchment area" policy.
PoliticsRe: Untold Stories Of Biafran Inventions by SmartTalk: 5:23am On Jun 17, 2013
[b]I quite like this new Anthem. The previous Biafran anthem, though reflecting the mood of determination to struggle against all odds to survive hatred and killings from our enemies, was quite grim and I always wondered if little children were expected to sing it. The anthem would have had to be updated anyway. Little Biafran children of the time were quite accustomed to seeing death all around them so the old anthem would have been okay in that context, but if Biafra successfully seceded, the old anthem would have been too morbid for a new generation of Biafrans children in a prosperous country. I like this update to the old anthem, it is suitable to a future Biafran state that would emerge from the natural implosion of Nigeria rather than a war with Biafrans. It says we have finally triumphed over our foes, and the struggles of our heroes past we would hold dear and cherish forever. I would like to know if this anthem was also inspired by other European separatist songs like the last one was.[/b]
PoliticsRe: Untold Stories Of Biafran Inventions by SmartTalk:
From a subsequent post:

[b]I quite like this new Anthem. The previous Biafran anthem, though reflecting the mood of determination to struggle against all odds to survive hatred and killings from our enemies, was quite grim and I always wondered if little children were expected to sing it. The anthem would have had to be updated anyway. Little Biafran children of the time were quite accustomed to seeing death all around them so the old anthem would have been okay in that context, but if Biafra successfully seceded, the old anthem would have been too morbid for a new generation of Biafrans children in a prosperous country. I like this update to the old anthem, it is suitable to a future Biafran state that would emerge from the natural implosion of Nigeria rather than a war with Biafrans. It says we have finally triumphed over our foes, and the struggles of our heroes past we would hold dear and cherish forever. I would like to know if this anthem was also inspired by other European separatist songs like the last one was.[/b]
Reply to earlier post:

Raymondenyi: buh If I may ask , what is really informing ur decision on the fervent biafra quest, I could understand that during the 67 quest ,it originated 4rm the brutal massacre of almost 200 igbo military officers down to the pogrom where almost 30,000 easterners mainly igbos were slaughtered, dwn to the murtala muhammed led counter coup,where Ironsi was brutally slaughtered, the obvious divide n polarity neccessitated the decision for the united Biafra front, any sane eastern man then would have followed suit, considering the obvious divide; but contemporarily, U cant see such, there is no slaughter or obvious sourcing out n targetted killings of the igbos, It doesn't happen like that, an igbo is now the chief of army staff. so we re heading somewhere, there is really no obvious reason now to clamour for a sovereign Biafra.

One thing of note, is the bigger we re the stronger we become, in our diversity we find strength,in our different voices and desperation we reach a more purified decisions. Should U channel ur strength like me into a better Nigeria , we could see something to smile and laugh about. I like ur spirit my brother, I like ur fervency for nationalism, I like ur activism for change, U just need to channel it to the right axis n let us make a change

Pls follow me, n lets discuss more. thank you
The motivating factor for the establishment of Biafran independence at this time is progress of the Black race and justice for the Biafran people. What I am more interested in discussing is your support for Biafra on the provision that the Niger Delta is left out. Most Biafrans would agree that the Niger Delta, especially those that take a referendum, should choose for themselves. The portions of the Niger Delta that vote for a separate existence from Biafra should be excluded from Biafra. That takes care of your concern. I would prefer ALL of the Niger Delta to be separate from Biafra but we need to consider the wishes of some minority ethnic groups that may want to be part of Biafra. Having token appointments of Igbo people in an unimportant country like Nigeria is not satisfactory; we believe instead in organic and contributory economic progress not civil government posts regulated by federal character.

If you truly believe that size confers any advantage, then you and your Niger Delta brothers should elect to remain Nigerians. There is enough diversity in Igboland to last millennia and Biafran independence will show just how diverse we are and enable us to use this diversity for creative purposes unlike the destructive direction that diversity causes in Nigeria.

Kindly keep to your word of supporting Biafran secession while we keep to ours of excluding the Niger Delta - based on referendum - from Biafra.

Now about Biafran technology and ingenuity:
Biafra is the pride of African ingenuity and originality. Richard West, like I quoted in another post, said Biafran defeat would mark the end of African independence in St Petersburg times. He knew what he was talking about. Now there is little or no technological innovation in Africa, and no technological research if foreign firms like IBM are not involved. The West has found their way of stifling any competition from Africa of the kind they face from Asia and Nigerians are their willing accomplices. The Igbo aphorism that "if you want to keep a man down, you have to stay down with him" has been Nigerian's story after the civil war. But that situation cannot last forever; Nigeria will implode and Biafra shall emerge on the world stage, and God is with his people, the Biafrans.
PoliticsRe: Who Suffers If Nigeria Divides? by SmartTalk: 5:36pm On Jun 08, 2013
revolt: I must fault u again.in politics There's no permanent frnd or foe but interrst, if were to em$erge as am African power block we need a heterogeneous society, a homogenous society can nvr be better than the latter. The Ss are minority and thus also hve their fears, which we must allay.we need population by implication a bigger market we can't throw all these away cos of sentiments.
You are right about the assertion that we need heterogeneity in Biafra to be great. That is why I suggested that the parts of the Niger Delta that freely ELECT to be Biafrans - and that includes the Ikwerre - via a referendum should be admitted. They must also accept the Biafran creed of fairness and hardwork. There would be no quota system, that is not the way to address grievances. I don't event believe any Eastern minority has, now or before, any legitimate reason to be aggrieved during their interactions with the Igbo. It is more the other way round. But also, @ngozievergreen is right. There is enough diversity in Igbo land and differences in ideology, enough to make a vibrant democratic idea-generating society. We are mostly capitalists, but we have Rochas Okorocha who seems to be a socialist. Even Dr Chike Obi was a socialist. The Igbo people have always been so diverse. Some of us have ancestries - ignoring intermarriage - that trace to Ekoi, Ijaw, and other cultures that surround us. Some of our ancestors, if not most, did not start out being Igbo but became Igbo by trade and interaction. We have enough ethnic mix as it is to form a very heterogenous nation. We are more heterogenous than the Anglo-Saxxon tribes that created the British empire. We would supersede the Anglo-Saxxons when we are free from Nigeria. And that time is upon us, we must seize the moment and prepare for it while it approaches: www.nairaland.com/1248907/preparing-east-post-nigeria-future
PoliticsRe: Boko Haram: An Agenda Against The North, Hausa/fulani And Islam By Aminu Sarki by SmartTalk: 5:03pm On Jun 08, 2013
omegag: Me_Aboki,

You appears to be an intellectual from your comments. I would like you to read this link below:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2012/jan/27/boko-haram-nigeria-sharia-law

If this is what we are talking about out from listed possible reasons for amnesty, then something else has to be done. Amnesty is not the solution. My only optional solution would be for general referendum to determine the Nigeria people wish. The Republic of Northern Nigeria and Republic of Southern Nigeria. Note: I did not use the word "Biafra". Republic of Southern Nigeria (freedom of religion). Republic of Northern Nigeria (Islamic religion).

What do you think?
Whatever referendum must have all nationalist agitations on the table. I once thought the Southern people could form another country, but everything I see suggests the opposite. A lot of the divisiveness that made this country what it is started in the South and only gave the North a template to build on. Hate speeches and irredentist agitations were popular in the Western region long before the North took up the mantle. Even today, Northerners point to inspiration from the Western region for their Northernisation policy, much like the Nazis had the Californian Eugenists for their Holocaust policies. The divisiveness and hatred in the South is as dangerous, if not more, than it is in the North. In the South, you have people who pretend not to hate each other living side by side. The lesson of history is that when the fuel is lit, very good friends would hunt themselves and their neighbors just like it happened in Rwanda. There is no other option, Biafra would rise.
PoliticsRe: Who Suffers If Nigeria Divides? by SmartTalk:
mandarin: You talked with so much certainly and you decided to close your eyes to the reality of prevailing challenges and all possible challenges. You failed to looked at your land such influx population from all over Nigeria will immediately create land problem and political challenges. Did you ever talked about that? and what about a situation of Niger Delta claiming the city of Porthacourt or the Ikwerre saying no to the Igbo country?
I do not support your view of Lagos becoming a ghost town if Igbos emigrate,vacuums created by Igbos will be filled up by other people, offices occupied by Igbos will be taken up by others.Besides i do not even believe many igbos share your sentiments just like me, believe me, millions of igbos will remain in the west for a long time some permanently.
All this talk of all Igbo returning to the East is ridiculous. And the talk of the Igbo "forcibly" incorporating the Ikwerre is laughable. We would not accept any part of the Niger Delta that do not confirm their willingness to join the Biafran federation by referendum. My framework on inclusion in the Biafran federation, which is open to reasonable modification, is in the statement linked below:

www.nairaland.com/1155411/tribal-war-noise-making#13830349

The purpose of Biafra is not having a physical space meant "exclusively" for Igbo. We are not like Adaka Boro who asked for a separate land exclusively for Ijaw. That system never works. The main purpose of Biafra is security. That is the raison d'être of any proper nation state. Security within our borders and protection of our interests outside our borders. Have all the Jews returned to Israel? No! You even still have Jews in Germany. But now, with the Jewish nation state, it would be very difficult for any European state to maim Jews like they have always done in the past, even long before the Holocaust. So of course the Igbo would settle down across what used to be Nigeria. It is in Biafran interest that that happens. How do you expect to develop a spy network and cultural and trade ties if all the Igbo return to the East. But we would be free to demonstrate to other African countries that "federal character" and other legal means of discrimination is not the way to develop a world class economy. Meritocracy and hard work would be Biafran touchstones against which public policy is made and we would also demonstrate that having huge land area like Russia would not make you richer than Singapore which is smaller that Amuwo Odofin local government in Lagos and whose population is about the size of Lagos. That is the future of Africa, that is God's own country, Biafra.

revolt: but even if a lot of ma igbo folks stay back in the west which will no doubt hapn, the emergence of new ports will surely dwindle lagos resources n bring about an econommmic boom in the east. May I ask if uve been to PH? I don't fathom hw ikwerres will reject an eastern country or prefer to go with the ijaws! Truth be told is SS-SE alliance is inevitable! The highest they'll demand is to control the seat of govt which igbos as shown by the present dispensation can decide to cede to a minority. Tht alliance tho shaky right now, is waxing stronger, but the fear of 1 Nigeria is greater trust me, our country will b unmatched technologically educationally n comerciall. Plus wed also have surrogates in the west ie those of us tht will still remain to do biz dere but return every Xmas to celebrate wif us!!
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No way,bob. Biafra would not tolerate such nonsensical demands. Anyone wanting any position MUST EARN IT. We cannot be better than Nigeria we we behave like Nigerians. No more quota rubbish. And besides, why treat the Niger Delta as one entity? Do they see themselves as one entity? It is a recent contraption. We must approach them differently. And they must conduct referendums based on units like states or local government areas. While Ijaw areas might give such ridiculous conditions if they allow Dokubo and other irredentists to be their advocates, Cross River,Akwa Ibom, Ogoni, etc will be more reasonable. It is foolish to lump them all together. When America was looking for allies in the Eastern hemisphere during the Cold War, did they lump all Communist countries together? No! They approached China as soon as they knew of a disagreement between China and Russia. Biafra must only accept in their fold members that believe in fair play and hardwork not handouts.
PoliticsRe: How Is Liyel Imoke Performing? by SmartTalk(op): 10:48am On Jun 07, 2013
Soldierant1: The University being the only industry? What will you call Wilmars $350M investment in the agricultural sector or UNICEMS ever increasing investment in the state? Dangote/Dansa or Real Farms mega investments in the state in the last 4 to 5yrs. Its not about monolithic white elephant projects going nowhere. Its about improving on the standard of living and quality of life for residents of the state, like us. Wilmars investment alone will creat 30k direct jobs! 68 direct manufacturing firms in the EPZ alone! And I know the New Calabar Convention Centre is tied in to boost things in and around Tinapa. I was a little worried when I had to leave Addax. But having researched and met with the investment guys in the Governor Office and spoke to a few people I took the plunge into private sector business in Calabar and I have no regrets. There's so much happening here for a poor state although they still have to get a few things right.
PoliticsRe: How Is Liyel Imoke Performing? by SmartTalk(op): 10:47am On Jun 07, 2013
Soldierant1: The University being the only industry? What will you call Wilmars $350M investment in the agricultural sector or UNICEMS ever increasing investment in the state? Dangote/Dansa or Real Farms mega investments in the state in the last 4 to 5yrs. Its not about monolithic white elephant projects going nowhere. Its about improving on the standard of living and quality of life for residents of the state, like us. Wilmars investment alone will creat 30k direct jobs! 68 direct manufacturing firms in the EPZ alone! And I know the New Calabar Convention Centre is tied in to boost things in and around Tinapa. I was a little worried when I had to leave Addax. But having researched and met with the investment guys in the Governor Office and spoke to a few people I took the plunge into private sector business in Calabar and I have no regrets. There's so much happening here for a poor state although they still have to get a few things right.
Are you Lape Soetan?

I will like to hear more about the Wilmar and other agricultural investments if you have more details. How are they coming along?

My new post www.nairaland.com/1316341/capitalism-africa discusses capitalism and how such projects in Calabar can be made to be sustainable. But identifying projects embarked on, success stories and threats to sustainability in Calabar is important, especially in agriculture.
PoliticsCapitalism In Africa by SmartTalk(op): 10:43am On Jun 07, 2013
A lot of us accept that capitalism is the best economic model to follow but how capitalist are Africans? Some of us support privatization but still demand for ineffective socialist policies like "free education". Education is not free anywhere in the world. Somebody pays for it, mostly through taxes and it never reaches international standard especially at tertiary level. I believe that strong capitalist policies in many aspects of the economy would encourage fairness and competition. The major obstacle to this, I believe, are the citizens. When someone invests and makes good in his business, we first say he is not an indigene or the government should take the business over. Has African countries stagnated because they are not capitalist enough?
PoliticsRe: How Is Liyel Imoke Performing? by SmartTalk(op): 6:35pm On Jun 05, 2013
Soldierant1: Haba only 2 functional companies? that's not true now! I moved to Calabar from North America to work with Addax 4yrs ago and I haven't been disappointed with life in general. Infact I've setup my own small companies doing shows and events promotions around the many festivals and tourism themed businesses in Calabar and a small logistic support company also. Yes taxes are high and I have complained from Calabar to Timbuktoo. But then when you consider the increases of their IGR from something closer to 500million which I hear is the real reason why they have to raise money creatively. Fair play. Am told they have moved IGR to maybe just over 1.3Billion in 6yrs so you can forgive the Government for high taxes. I am told their monthly Federal allocation is very low at about 2.9billion monthly compared to 18,19 and as high as 24billion for AKS, Rivers, Bayelsa and my own Delta state who collects maybe 11billion. Imoke try oh. Una dey talk 2 companies? the Indonesians wey invest over 2Billion dollars nko for Agric? Songhai Farms is running there also.......I mean broadly speaking when one reflects on Calabar one must thank God. They reformed education......nonono I prefer here to Anywhere! And Tinapa isn't dead. They're now more businesses located there added to the Water Park which has come to life and i hear the transaction figures for Tinapa is in the region of a billion dollars plus for last year. Also if you look around Tinapa they're still developing the area with a planned Golf estate, golf course, Convention Centre for seminars .....Events etc ...and UAC Nigeria and other partners are involved. I hear construction has also started on Oyedepos Convenant Uni and Mo Abudu has a tv station running from Tinapa added to the ICT park ......theyre about to launch in Tinapa called the Knowledge City! so for an outsider like me....the business environment which is the best regulated in the country has allowed me flourish in a safe and sane environment .....my wife is happy and kids are too in school in Hill Crest. This is first hand information from experience.
This is the direction other states should go. I mean, you are not an indigene of the state but you have decided to make your living there and with your businesses and taxes, you would be contributing to the economy of the state. This is what other states should consider n order to spread development. I would like to hear more about the farms operated by the Indonesians. And Songhai farms. How far have they gone? And also the knowledge city project.

The fact that they are thinking creatively on raising IGR, even to the point of encouraging foreigners and nonindegenes, is because they see that they cannot rely on oil for easy money. This is why true federalism, and eventually self determination, must be encouraged in Nigeria. The easy money we get from oil has made hating our neighbors cheaper and easier.
PoliticsRe: Who Suffers If Nigeria Divides? by SmartTalk: 10:28pm On Jun 01, 2013
ba7man: You sound reasonable. My post was directed at an individual that posted that dumb notion that "Igbos own Lagos and what not" but i'm glad you agree its a collective effort. I do not see the North worth emmulating, I find their habit of being so quick to kill barbaric......but it goes out to your tribes men that say they're dominating and trash about the very region that welcomed them and hosts them. You don't do that.....not when you live and do business in their midst. The unguarded utterances of a few can put even the large number of innocent at risk.
I am less interested in chest thumping. I want secession, but not just to prove a point. But because I have meditated over the Nigerian condition and I know the country is just not meant to be. We are wasting too much time trying to prove supremacy over each other that we cannot see the mud we are all in together. And I know it will not end. That is why I say let us kuku separate so we can all see it is not the man from another village that is the source of our problems. It is the clown who distracts us with Igbo presidency as his own campaign policy. A dismembered Nigeria would have the component nations struggle for investments from each other, unlike the way it makes us resent the "outsider" that comes from another state. The British and the French are talking of rolling out the red carpet for each others' entrepreneurs. This would not be the case if they were one country. That is what I need us all to discuss and that is why I started this thread www.nairaland.com/1248907/preparing-east-post-nigeria-future

And I think trying to punish a group for the annoyance of a few is why we had the "final solution" policy by Hitler. I see upsetting comments by people from other ethnic groups, but I don't think I should punish the rest of them for it. It is a human frailty to think that way, but it is dangerous.
PoliticsRe: Am Afraid The Is Tearing Naija Apart. by SmartTalk: 10:14pm On Jun 01, 2013
touch4mony: we welkom it whole heartedly, its long overdue.let everybody go and develop them sef make we see who go cry pass its will b very intresting
They were the first to disagree with independence and threaten secession, they were the first to ASK for secession (Araba), Abeg make dem do quick.
PoliticsRe: How Is Liyel Imoke Performing? by SmartTalk(op): 10:06pm On Jun 01, 2013
obxddon: I live in CRS and I must say He is trying with rural roads and small access roads.But he has bad advisers who advises him about Tax issues.The tax is driving people mad and making business to close down.he should reduce the Tax by half and watch the number of investments that would come up.
You are right. Taxation can be a pain if excessive. But I would like to know how far industrialization has gone. Has GE made some progress in providing employment? Or are they still under construction. What about the rumour of large fruit farms in the region? Is it true? Where is it located and how does it work in terms of ownership, funding, etc?
PoliticsRe: Who Suffers If Nigeria Divides? by SmartTalk: 9:53pm On Jun 01, 2013
ba7man: I thought the Igbos were responsible for making Lagos what it?? Oh, now its the colonials. You guys have a false impression of yourselves. Apart from Ladipo,Computer Village and Alaba market, your perceived dominance ends....Places Fashola is even planning to destroy and re-Construct. Just be thankful we're good hosts and move on with life, if Lagos was in the north and the Northerners read all you say on NL, just pack your bags and run cuz lives will definitely be lost.
Wow, I thought I was explicit on that post. Oh well, let me break it down so that you can understand. I was responding to someone posting pictures of Lagos before Nigeria. That means Lagos was what it was at that time because of the colonials. And even then, the colonials pooled resources from other parts of Nigeria to fund infrastructural development in Lagos. Now, we have independence, a huge part of what Lagos is today is thanks to the contribution of other parts of Nigeria, and yes that includes the Igbo. I hope you get it now.

And it seems you see the North as an example worth following. While the Igbo do participate in the Northern economy to the level that they are allowed, I would not use the North as any kind of yardstick. But if you want the SW to resemble the North, be my guest. Just start with your own state before you decimate Lagos. That would give us time to sell all our assets in Lagos and leave it for you. And I think it is the residents of Lagos, from whatever origin, that should be thankful for investments from entrepreneurs, not the other way round.
PoliticsRe: Who Suffers If Nigeria Divides? by SmartTalk: 9:32pm On Jun 01, 2013
London-X:
I’ll like to post objectively as a black man and based on my understanding of the unique problems of black folks vis-à-vis Nigeria, around the world. If we all look critically at all the black countries around the world, we’ll find out that there’s no thriving black country on the planet. And the sole reason isn’t farther from all the artificial countries/boundaries we all occupy. All our post-colonial boundaries have stunted our growth – and all the unions were forced. We’re all tribal people with our own unique consciousness, and our identity – albeit with the same struggle. The only way the renaissance is going to happen, is by going to the way we were before colonial rule. And what other country is better to lead that renaissance than the largest black country in the world?

I know some proponents of Nigeria would argue against this by citing the size of Nigeria’s population, and how Nigeria can influence politics on the world scene – in regards to Africa and black people. That’s a fallacy and a pipe dream, to be honest. Nigeria has been given the opportunity for 53 years, and for 53 years, it has failed woefully. Nigeria is inconsequential in international politics, and it will never be. Domestically, Nigeria has also failed its citizens for 53 years – producing caravan-less charvas, who have become burdens to other sovereign countries around the world. If it were a sane world – the UN would have declared Nigeria a war-zone, with big humanitarian crisis – judging by the number of people migrating out of that geographical location. So why do we all want to continue this vicious cycle of UTTER FAILURE? The country is NEVER going to work!! Also, Africa will never be able to defeat Europe and Asia, militarily – in the next 400 years – so why all the noise about needing a powerful black country?

As for my Pan-African family – the only way Pan-Africanism will thrive in Africa is by destroying the colonial boundaries – and letting all the tribal people create their nation-states, based on their in-born identity(culture) and consciousness. That’s how Pan-Europeanism has been able to thrive – and we need to take a cue from Europe – by using tribalism, to create a wider union. When people are allowed to operate freely and independently – then, they’ll be willing to be part of a larger umbrella body – albeit still having their own destiny in their own hands.

I have a dream that I’ll live long enough to see Yoruba, Igbo, SS, Hausa/Fulani, Tuaregs, Cabinda, Southern Cameroon, Somaliland, Puntland etc. in their own countries.

We all need to start today and work towards the disintegration of Nigeria.
Exactly. Several nations, even small ones with economies as large as half of Africa, have sprung up in Europe. Self determination is the only way to prosperity on the African continent.
PoliticsRe: Who Suffers If Nigeria Divides? by SmartTalk: 9:27pm On Jun 01, 2013
na2day!:
Hey smart talk
Since you are comparing the Sikhs to the Igbo , are you aware of what happened to the Sikhs in 1984?

Some Sikhs body guards assassinated Indira Ghandi , the India prime minister and about 25,000 Sikhs (men, women and children) were raped and massacred.

Compared that to the Nzeogwu's coup and the subsequent murder of innocent Igbos.

Yet we never heard of the Sikhs running to secede, declaring a nation.
They are still part and parcel of India till date!

There is no country without its attendant problems, India has been having a worse kind of ethnic intolerance and progroms till the present time, but balkanisation was never an option for them
Please let's find a solution to our problems and stop this hatred, this madness!
Ok!

Lest I forget, India never allowed Pakistan to leave, it was partioned just before independence at the insistence of Jinnah by the British (the wahala those people have caused)!
And they have been at war ever since!
Wrong, India and Pakistan have been disagreeable nations. India was partitioned before independence because the Moslem Indians wanted a separate state and the partitioning at a point was ratified by an Indian-majority congress! Ghandi might have been against partitioning, but it was the only way. The partitioning of India was a necessary solution and should have been copied in Nigeria. The fact is the Hindus and Sikhs are mortal enemies of the Moslems in India, it is too facile to say the British caused separation.

There were reprisal killings of Sikhs after the assassination, but were there expropriation of properties? And besides, the Sikhs would rather leave with the Hindus than the Moslems. That is why the Sikhs would not ask for secession. And the comparison is ridiculous. In the case of the Sikhs, was there a deliberate policy of ethnic cleansing like there was against the Igbos? For a populous country like India, 25000 doesn't even compare proportionally with the number of Igbo people killed during the pogroms, either in percentage terms or nominal terms. It's like suggesting the Jews should have remained part of Nazi Germany during and after the Holocaust, that's plain ludicrous.
PoliticsRe: Who Suffers If Nigeria Divides? by SmartTalk: 4:54pm On Jun 01, 2013
BRB
PoliticsRe: Who Suffers If Nigeria Divides? by SmartTalk: 4:38pm On Jun 01, 2013
django1: Where do you live? If it is lagos or any SW state you can take the first step by moving back home, am not chasing you but my point is your ppl don't put their money where their mouth is.
"Moving back" would not give me or my people self determination, neither would it allow me to invest in federal government only facilities or rid the law books of federal character nonsense. If you think it would, you go back to your state and see if it works.
PoliticsRe: Who Suffers If Nigeria Divides? by SmartTalk: 4:14pm On Jun 01, 2013
OoduaDefence: [b]When I read some of the comments here it just made me realize how unintelligent many Nigerians are.I hear people saying Yorubas will suffer because we don't have much oil and all that. Ok let me educate you unintelligent people.

First off the most valuable resource in the world is Human Resource. If you have hard working citizens you can turn any nation into a paradise. Zimbabwe at one time was a very rich country ,what made them rich? Agriculture! They simply developed their Agriculture to a level where they were exporting tons and tons of food and making billions of dolars year annual. Fast forward to 2013,the same Zimabwe has now discovered diamonds but their people are suffering because they chased all their farmers away. Do you understand what I am getting at?

It is possible that if Nigeria splits, Hausas will focus more on Agriculture and within a decade they can become a self-sustainable country while Niger Deltans and Igbos will still be fighting and looting their oil money. Before you know it Igbos and NDs will be migrating to the north to be enjoy the new Hausa country because Biafra will be a war torn failed state.

You don’t need oil to do anything the greatest business any nation can promote is Agriculture and water production. South Africa does not have oil,yet their working citizens live like kings while the working citizens in Nigeria live like slaves.

Japan is another country with barren land yet they have the 3rd largest economy in the world. They realized that they had no mineral so they started manufacturing cars and electronics. A far as I am concerned this Oil we have in Nigeria is a curse because that is the only reason our greedy leaders do not want to split the country.
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I totally agree that it takes more than natural resources to build an economy and I am sure the Western region can survive, so can the North. The West just have to watch out for whatever made the ancient Yoruba kingdoms engage in internecine wars and the North watch out for religious and ethnic intolerance. The East just have to watch out for Biafrans that think like Nigerians. So that's settled. Let us move beyond talking and defensiveness to ask for self determination. Who's with me?
PoliticsRe: Who Suffers If Nigeria Divides? by SmartTalk: 3:30pm On Jun 01, 2013
django1: I wasn't responding to the content of her post! She said earlier that yorubas have started again (sth like dt), but she failed to see cjrane's post in the beginning and I've seen some of her post on other threads claiming victim.

In any case, nigeria will not divide and all this talk is just joking around!
Alright. My Internet connection will not permit me to check that out. But I do think we should take dismemberment of the country seriously, otherwise it would take us seriously. Countries that don't take it seriously face the violent aspect of change. Countries that take it seriously either address the discontent in the land or separate peacefully. The latter option is the way out for Nigeria 'cause I just don't see this country addressing the real issues. This very country was not even founded on anything that makes nations what they are - not even fear of external threats. The fear is instead for each.
PoliticsRe: Who Suffers If Nigeria Divides? by SmartTalk: 3:14pm On Jun 01, 2013
django1: Nnenna do you realise you've wrongly yorubas on this thread and yet to apologise?

I know you like claiming the victim, "yorubas started it" is your chorus everytime, but did you check the first poster to start issues on here?
Her example is relevant and not entirely off topic. It just emphasizes what I have been saying that a lot of the development in Lagos were undertaken by "outsiders". It's not an insult, in US they constantly celebrate how "outsiders" from Europe and Asia help in developing their country.
PoliticsRe: Who Suffers If Nigeria Divides? by SmartTalk: 3:11pm On Jun 01, 2013
bloggernaija: Lagos before nigeria. Nobody should delude themselves that anything will change about Lagos. In fact that state needs serious emigration.
Instead of waiting for emigration, why not expand development to nearby less populated states. That's what China does. Waiting for emigration will get you nowhere. If you don't believe me, then leave Lagos with your family and stay out instead of telling others to leave. Of course you could take the Pakistani approach of killing "outsiders" and become like another Nigerian city - Kano.
Off topic but I just thought it became necessary due to the frequent mention of "emigration" here. A little commonsense now and then comes in handy.

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