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2buff: Does the UK even produce anything? With all the world market minglings going on (US, China, India), the UK seems not all that involved in a lot of global economics. What do they even do? What are they known for economically (besides being a terribly expensive place to live and school).Financial services. That's their mainstay now. |
T8ksy: And why should I spend my hard-earned money on that pile of junk you all termed “personal account”? From the excerpts I read, its not difficult to haphazard what will be in the hard cover. Same old ibo chest beatings we have all become accustomed to. Just because Achebe’s bigoted and senile write resonate with your warped mindset doesn’t mean the rest of us can’t discern where the old fool is coming from.I do not expect you to read the book or even know what junk means; what I am against is ignorant assertions and irresponsible statements. Another ignorant person would read your comments and think there is some truth to it. Even in the excerpts available publicly, there is nowhere Achebe painted "others" as evil. And if you truly want to understand bigotry, warped mindset and insolence, just go through your own comments. You are entitled to your own opinion, I give you that, but not to your own facts. Sure. Let's forget that your Yoruba brothers were part of that coup. Let's also forget that they BEGGED military officials supervising the flawed elections to intervene. My Igbo brothers have learnt their lesson - if any other part of the country is on fire, just leave and let it burn. Helping other Nigerians only get you a knife in the back. We also appreciate that if Awolowo had undertaken his coup d'être, the story would have been much different. If you have any useful contribution that is unfabricated, write your own book. But like I said, you are not entitled to your own facts. And hurling insults at Achebe does not count as defending his legacy. Neither does revising history help in that regard. |
Source: www.punchng.com/opinion/breeding-dunces-through-quota-system/ Breeding dunces through quota system |
Nightshift: As often as it has been on Igbo matters on NL, we can have different opinions.Honestly, you are the only one making sense on this thread so far. We, the Igbo people, are Republicans. We do not recognize these "royal fathers". We must leave the backwardness of buying stuff for so-called royalty for Britain, and other African culture that believes in that system. And besides, Uba has questions to ask on corruption. Why is he not in jail? Oh, I forgot. It's a Nigerian thing. We would do away with corrupt individuals and faux-monarchy when Nigeria is done with the mistake of its existence. The Biafran nation will recognize NO MONARCH officially. We might only ceremonially recognize the two monarchs you mentioned but even they must work for their money. We would also put corrupt clowns like Uba where they belong - in jail. |
T9ksy: Gosh! Its amazing how you guys cogitate! Do you mean the issue, whatever it is, is dead and buried? Who says? You lot? So when achebe penned his pile of junk which you all ignorantly called a book and claim its based on his personal experience, what was his aim? To unite us? When achebe wrote things like “oh ibos are superior to all the other ethnic groups in Nigeria”, what was his aim? To make these other groups, love and respect the ibos?You obviously did not read the book and that's the problem - ignorance. You just attribute statements to Achebe that he did not make and say you are countering him with facts. LIES ARE NOT FACTS. There was nowhere that Achebe portrayed "others" in the country as evil. He did criticize Awolowo and Gowon on their wartime actions and atrocities. The fact that so many idiot writers are manufacturing their own "facts" to defend Awolowo and no one else, not even Gowon shows that we are clearly not one country - just a common space filled with a lot of pretenders. The lie spewing defenders only defend their "hero" and cast Achebe's work as an attack on the Yoruba. What stupidity. |
achi4u: proudly Biafran!We do not need to worry about any of our neighbors. When the die is cast, all that shout BLASPHEMY at any talk of secession now would be the first to ask for secession. If you know a little of Nigeria's history, Lagos threatened to ask for secession long before Biafra was on anyone's lips. "Nigeria" does not exist. In the fullness of time we would see the hypocrisy of the so-called patriots. Biafra is inevitable. It is a waste of time to be seeking any sort of alliance or understanding from other Nigerians; focus mainly on asking for a real defense for their rhetoric on Nigeria's existence. The best they can come up with is "my section of the country has produced president" even though that part of the country is no better than a Russian ghetto. |
Yeske!:Thanks for the correction. However, I would be surprised if UME/JAMB has the figures for admission. Not all that pass JAMB are admitted, so there must be some error on the OP's side. enigma_otr: And it's a proven fact that high scoring JAMBites don't progress past second year in universities. Or why do you think post-JAMB was introduced. Students within 200-270 score bracket graduate with higher grades than their higher-score counterparts. enigma_otr: Of what use is quantitative education when a second class(upper division) graduate from imo state university can't fill forms as simple as those you fill in NYSC camps without asking what to fill in from others. Most of the states'owned higher schools of learning in the south east are sham. The grades of their graduates do not reflect in them. Most of the second-class degree students i know, who graduated in a state owned school in the east, could only be lucky to graduate with a third-class degree from any school in the west.And yet in an international university of international repute without "federal character" and "catchment area" discriminatory policies like the MIT, Igbo students are dominating the fellowships among African students. Check http://legatum.mit.edu/browsepeople Nigerian universities are USELESS, whether located in the North, East or West. It really doesn't matter who attends, the right skills are not taught. However, the fact that tribal considerations in University appointments started in UNILAG and University of Ife means that the "intellectuals" of those universities have contributed immensely to the erosion of value in Nigerian tertiary education. |
tobtap: break up into how many units?As many as can emerge from a democratic process ie referendum. |
excanny: And how do you intend doing that? Any foundation or NGO in the pipeline. The talented Igbo lads are sometimes not from wealthy families.I so agree with you. There are just too few scholarships for Nigerians generally in foreign schools where you would see scholarships for Chinese, Indians, Jews, Venezuelans, etc. But before we can provide scholarships, we must generate money to fund it. That is why I suggested means of doing that here: www.nairaland.com/1248907/preparing-east-post-nigeria-future |
Akin-Egba:You quote JAMB registration figures which show higher Igbo student registration. The fact is that all these students cannot be absorbed by the Universities in the East and not all can afford to travel to other countries to further their education. Worse still is the fact that discriminatory policies of "catchment area" and "federal character" in university admission means that indigenes of other states with lower scores have to be admitted before Igbo students can be considered in other Nigerian universities. Keep in mind that all these policies were put in place after the civil war. Before the war, there were complaints of Igbo academics and students dominating institutions and scholarships in Nigeria. That's why we have such policies and that's why the drop out rate among Igbo students are high. That's also why Nigerian university education is in the toilet as merit has been sacrificed on the altar of primordial small-mindedness. The professors are not helping matters as they are the harbingers of tribalism. Those of them asking for university autonomy want to keep the "catchment area" policy. |
[b]I quite like this new Anthem. The previous Biafran anthem, though reflecting the mood of determination to struggle against all odds to survive hatred and killings from our enemies, was quite grim and I always wondered if little children were expected to sing it. The anthem would have had to be updated anyway. Little Biafran children of the time were quite accustomed to seeing death all around them so the old anthem would have been okay in that context, but if Biafra successfully seceded, the old anthem would have been too morbid for a new generation of Biafrans children in a prosperous country. I like this update to the old anthem, it is suitable to a future Biafran state that would emerge from the natural implosion of Nigeria rather than a war with Biafrans. It says we have finally triumphed over our foes, and the struggles of our heroes past we would hold dear and cherish forever. I would like to know if this anthem was also inspired by other European separatist songs like the last one was.[/b] |
From a subsequent post: [b]I quite like this new Anthem. The previous Biafran anthem, though reflecting the mood of determination to struggle against all odds to survive hatred and killings from our enemies, was quite grim and I always wondered if little children were expected to sing it. The anthem would have had to be updated anyway. Little Biafran children of the time were quite accustomed to seeing death all around them so the old anthem would have been okay in that context, but if Biafra successfully seceded, the old anthem would have been too morbid for a new generation of Biafrans children in a prosperous country. I like this update to the old anthem, it is suitable to a future Biafran state that would emerge from the natural implosion of Nigeria rather than a war with Biafrans. It says we have finally triumphed over our foes, and the struggles of our heroes past we would hold dear and cherish forever. I would like to know if this anthem was also inspired by other European separatist songs like the last one was.[/b]Reply to earlier post: Raymondenyi: buh If I may ask , what is really informing ur decision on the fervent biafra quest, I could understand that during the 67 quest ,it originated 4rm the brutal massacre of almost 200 igbo military officers down to the pogrom where almost 30,000 easterners mainly igbos were slaughtered, dwn to the murtala muhammed led counter coup,where Ironsi was brutally slaughtered, the obvious divide n polarity neccessitated the decision for the united Biafra front, any sane eastern man then would have followed suit, considering the obvious divide; but contemporarily, U cant see such, there is no slaughter or obvious sourcing out n targetted killings of the igbos, It doesn't happen like that, an igbo is now the chief of army staff. so we re heading somewhere, there is really no obvious reason now to clamour for a sovereign Biafra.The motivating factor for the establishment of Biafran independence at this time is progress of the Black race and justice for the Biafran people. What I am more interested in discussing is your support for Biafra on the provision that the Niger Delta is left out. Most Biafrans would agree that the Niger Delta, especially those that take a referendum, should choose for themselves. The portions of the Niger Delta that vote for a separate existence from Biafra should be excluded from Biafra. That takes care of your concern. I would prefer ALL of the Niger Delta to be separate from Biafra but we need to consider the wishes of some minority ethnic groups that may want to be part of Biafra. Having token appointments of Igbo people in an unimportant country like Nigeria is not satisfactory; we believe instead in organic and contributory economic progress not civil government posts regulated by federal character. If you truly believe that size confers any advantage, then you and your Niger Delta brothers should elect to remain Nigerians. There is enough diversity in Igboland to last millennia and Biafran independence will show just how diverse we are and enable us to use this diversity for creative purposes unlike the destructive direction that diversity causes in Nigeria. Kindly keep to your word of supporting Biafran secession while we keep to ours of excluding the Niger Delta - based on referendum - from Biafra. Now about Biafran technology and ingenuity: Biafra is the pride of African ingenuity and originality. Richard West, like I quoted in another post, said Biafran defeat would mark the end of African independence in St Petersburg times. He knew what he was talking about. Now there is little or no technological innovation in Africa, and no technological research if foreign firms like IBM are not involved. The West has found their way of stifling any competition from Africa of the kind they face from Asia and Nigerians are their willing accomplices. The Igbo aphorism that "if you want to keep a man down, you have to stay down with him" has been Nigerian's story after the civil war. But that situation cannot last forever; Nigeria will implode and Biafra shall emerge on the world stage, and God is with his people, the Biafrans. |
revolt: I must fault u again.in politics There's no permanent frnd or foe but interrst, if were to em$erge as am African power block we need a heterogeneous society, a homogenous society can nvr be better than the latter. The Ss are minority and thus also hve their fears, which we must allay.we need population by implication a bigger market we can't throw all these away cos of sentiments.You are right about the assertion that we need heterogeneity in Biafra to be great. That is why I suggested that the parts of the Niger Delta that freely ELECT to be Biafrans - and that includes the Ikwerre - via a referendum should be admitted. They must also accept the Biafran creed of fairness and hardwork. There would be no quota system, that is not the way to address grievances. I don't event believe any Eastern minority has, now or before, any legitimate reason to be aggrieved during their interactions with the Igbo. It is more the other way round. But also, @ngozievergreen is right. There is enough diversity in Igbo land and differences in ideology, enough to make a vibrant democratic idea-generating society. We are mostly capitalists, but we have Rochas Okorocha who seems to be a socialist. Even Dr Chike Obi was a socialist. The Igbo people have always been so diverse. Some of us have ancestries - ignoring intermarriage - that trace to Ekoi, Ijaw, and other cultures that surround us. Some of our ancestors, if not most, did not start out being Igbo but became Igbo by trade and interaction. We have enough ethnic mix as it is to form a very heterogenous nation. We are more heterogenous than the Anglo-Saxxon tribes that created the British empire. We would supersede the Anglo-Saxxons when we are free from Nigeria. And that time is upon us, we must seize the moment and prepare for it while it approaches: www.nairaland.com/1248907/preparing-east-post-nigeria-future |
omegag: Me_Aboki,Whatever referendum must have all nationalist agitations on the table. I once thought the Southern people could form another country, but everything I see suggests the opposite. A lot of the divisiveness that made this country what it is started in the South and only gave the North a template to build on. Hate speeches and irredentist agitations were popular in the Western region long before the North took up the mantle. Even today, Northerners point to inspiration from the Western region for their Northernisation policy, much like the Nazis had the Californian Eugenists for their Holocaust policies. The divisiveness and hatred in the South is as dangerous, if not more, than it is in the North. In the South, you have people who pretend not to hate each other living side by side. The lesson of history is that when the fuel is lit, very good friends would hunt themselves and their neighbors just like it happened in Rwanda. There is no other option, Biafra would rise. |
mandarin: You talked with so much certainly and you decided to close your eyes to the reality of prevailing challenges and all possible challenges. You failed to looked at your land such influx population from all over Nigeria will immediately create land problem and political challenges. Did you ever talked about that? and what about a situation of Niger Delta claiming the city of Porthacourt or the Ikwerre saying no to the Igbo country?All this talk of all Igbo returning to the East is ridiculous. And the talk of the Igbo "forcibly" incorporating the Ikwerre is laughable. We would not accept any part of the Niger Delta that do not confirm their willingness to join the Biafran federation by referendum. My framework on inclusion in the Biafran federation, which is open to reasonable modification, is in the statement linked below: www.nairaland.com/1155411/tribal-war-noise-making#13830349 The purpose of Biafra is not having a physical space meant "exclusively" for Igbo. We are not like Adaka Boro who asked for a separate land exclusively for Ijaw. That system never works. The main purpose of Biafra is security. That is the raison d'être of any proper nation state. Security within our borders and protection of our interests outside our borders. Have all the Jews returned to Israel? No! You even still have Jews in Germany. But now, with the Jewish nation state, it would be very difficult for any European state to maim Jews like they have always done in the past, even long before the Holocaust. So of course the Igbo would settle down across what used to be Nigeria. It is in Biafran interest that that happens. How do you expect to develop a spy network and cultural and trade ties if all the Igbo return to the East. But we would be free to demonstrate to other African countries that "federal character" and other legal means of discrimination is not the way to develop a world class economy. Meritocracy and hard work would be Biafran touchstones against which public policy is made and we would also demonstrate that having huge land area like Russia would not make you richer than Singapore which is smaller that Amuwo Odofin local government in Lagos and whose population is about the size of Lagos. That is the future of Africa, that is God's own country, Biafra. revolt: but even if a lot of ma igbo folks stay back in the west which will no doubt hapn, the emergence of new ports will surely dwindle lagos resources n bring about an econommmic boom in the east. May I ask if uve been to PH? I don't fathom hw ikwerres will reject an eastern country or prefer to go with the ijaws! Truth be told is SS-SE alliance is inevitable! The highest they'll demand is to control the seat of govt which igbos as shown by the present dispensation can decide to cede to a minority. Tht alliance tho shaky right now, is waxing stronger, but the fear of 1 Nigeria is greater trust me, our country will b unmatched technologically educationally n comerciall. Plus wed also have surrogates in the west ie those of us tht will still remain to do biz dere but return every Xmas to celebrate wif us!!@bolded No way,bob. Biafra would not tolerate such nonsensical demands. Anyone wanting any position MUST EARN IT. We cannot be better than Nigeria we we behave like Nigerians. No more quota rubbish. And besides, why treat the Niger Delta as one entity? Do they see themselves as one entity? It is a recent contraption. We must approach them differently. And they must conduct referendums based on units like states or local government areas. While Ijaw areas might give such ridiculous conditions if they allow Dokubo and other irredentists to be their advocates, Cross River,Akwa Ibom, Ogoni, etc will be more reasonable. It is foolish to lump them all together. When America was looking for allies in the Eastern hemisphere during the Cold War, did they lump all Communist countries together? No! They approached China as soon as they knew of a disagreement between China and Russia. Biafra must only accept in their fold members that believe in fair play and hardwork not handouts. |
Soldierant1: The University being the only industry? What will you call Wilmars $350M investment in the agricultural sector or UNICEMS ever increasing investment in the state? Dangote/Dansa or Real Farms mega investments in the state in the last 4 to 5yrs. Its not about monolithic white elephant projects going nowhere. Its about improving on the standard of living and quality of life for residents of the state, like us. Wilmars investment alone will creat 30k direct jobs! 68 direct manufacturing firms in the EPZ alone! And I know the New Calabar Convention Centre is tied in to boost things in and around Tinapa. I was a little worried when I had to leave Addax. But having researched and met with the investment guys in the Governor Office and spoke to a few people I took the plunge into private sector business in Calabar and I have no regrets. There's so much happening here for a poor state although they still have to get a few things right. |
Soldierant1: The University being the only industry? What will you call Wilmars $350M investment in the agricultural sector or UNICEMS ever increasing investment in the state? Dangote/Dansa or Real Farms mega investments in the state in the last 4 to 5yrs. Its not about monolithic white elephant projects going nowhere. Its about improving on the standard of living and quality of life for residents of the state, like us. Wilmars investment alone will creat 30k direct jobs! 68 direct manufacturing firms in the EPZ alone! And I know the New Calabar Convention Centre is tied in to boost things in and around Tinapa. I was a little worried when I had to leave Addax. But having researched and met with the investment guys in the Governor Office and spoke to a few people I took the plunge into private sector business in Calabar and I have no regrets. There's so much happening here for a poor state although they still have to get a few things right.Are you Lape Soetan? I will like to hear more about the Wilmar and other agricultural investments if you have more details. How are they coming along? My new post www.nairaland.com/1316341/capitalism-africa discusses capitalism and how such projects in Calabar can be made to be sustainable. But identifying projects embarked on, success stories and threats to sustainability in Calabar is important, especially in agriculture. |
A lot of us accept that capitalism is the best economic model to follow but how capitalist are Africans? Some of us support privatization but still demand for ineffective socialist policies like "free education". Education is not free anywhere in the world. Somebody pays for it, mostly through taxes and it never reaches international standard especially at tertiary level. I believe that strong capitalist policies in many aspects of the economy would encourage fairness and competition. The major obstacle to this, I believe, are the citizens. When someone invests and makes good in his business, we first say he is not an indigene or the government should take the business over. Has African countries stagnated because they are not capitalist enough? |
Soldierant1: Haba only 2 functional companies? that's not true now! I moved to Calabar from North America to work with Addax 4yrs ago and I haven't been disappointed with life in general. Infact I've setup my own small companies doing shows and events promotions around the many festivals and tourism themed businesses in Calabar and a small logistic support company also. Yes taxes are high and I have complained from Calabar to Timbuktoo. But then when you consider the increases of their IGR from something closer to 500million which I hear is the real reason why they have to raise money creatively. Fair play. Am told they have moved IGR to maybe just over 1.3Billion in 6yrs so you can forgive the Government for high taxes. I am told their monthly Federal allocation is very low at about 2.9billion monthly compared to 18,19 and as high as 24billion for AKS, Rivers, Bayelsa and my own Delta state who collects maybe 11billion. Imoke try oh. Una dey talk 2 companies? the Indonesians wey invest over 2Billion dollars nko for Agric? Songhai Farms is running there also.......I mean broadly speaking when one reflects on Calabar one must thank God. They reformed education......nonono I prefer here to Anywhere! And Tinapa isn't dead. They're now more businesses located there added to the Water Park which has come to life and i hear the transaction figures for Tinapa is in the region of a billion dollars plus for last year. Also if you look around Tinapa they're still developing the area with a planned Golf estate, golf course, Convention Centre for seminars .....Events etc ...and UAC Nigeria and other partners are involved. I hear construction has also started on Oyedepos Convenant Uni and Mo Abudu has a tv station running from Tinapa added to the ICT park ......theyre about to launch in Tinapa called the Knowledge City! so for an outsider like me....the business environment which is the best regulated in the country has allowed me flourish in a safe and sane environment .....my wife is happy and kids are too in school in Hill Crest. This is first hand information from experience.This is the direction other states should go. I mean, you are not an indigene of the state but you have decided to make your living there and with your businesses and taxes, you would be contributing to the economy of the state. This is what other states should consider n order to spread development. I would like to hear more about the farms operated by the Indonesians. And Songhai farms. How far have they gone? And also the knowledge city project. The fact that they are thinking creatively on raising IGR, even to the point of encouraging foreigners and nonindegenes, is because they see that they cannot rely on oil for easy money. This is why true federalism, and eventually self determination, must be encouraged in Nigeria. The easy money we get from oil has made hating our neighbors cheaper and easier. |
ba7man: You sound reasonable. My post was directed at an individual that posted that dumb notion that "Igbos own Lagos and what not" but i'm glad you agree its a collective effort. I do not see the North worth emmulating, I find their habit of being so quick to kill barbaric......but it goes out to your tribes men that say they're dominating and trash about the very region that welcomed them and hosts them. You don't do that.....not when you live and do business in their midst. The unguarded utterances of a few can put even the large number of innocent at risk.I am less interested in chest thumping. I want secession, but not just to prove a point. But because I have meditated over the Nigerian condition and I know the country is just not meant to be. We are wasting too much time trying to prove supremacy over each other that we cannot see the mud we are all in together. And I know it will not end. That is why I say let us kuku separate so we can all see it is not the man from another village that is the source of our problems. It is the clown who distracts us with Igbo presidency as his own campaign policy. A dismembered Nigeria would have the component nations struggle for investments from each other, unlike the way it makes us resent the "outsider" that comes from another state. The British and the French are talking of rolling out the red carpet for each others' entrepreneurs. This would not be the case if they were one country. That is what I need us all to discuss and that is why I started this thread www.nairaland.com/1248907/preparing-east-post-nigeria-future And I think trying to punish a group for the annoyance of a few is why we had the "final solution" policy by Hitler. I see upsetting comments by people from other ethnic groups, but I don't think I should punish the rest of them for it. It is a human frailty to think that way, but it is dangerous. |
touch4mony: we welkom it whole heartedly, its long overdue.let everybody go and develop them sef make we see who go cry pass its will b very intrestingThey were the first to disagree with independence and threaten secession, they were the first to ASK for secession (Araba), Abeg make dem do quick. |
obxddon: I live in CRS and I must say He is trying with rural roads and small access roads.But he has bad advisers who advises him about Tax issues.The tax is driving people mad and making business to close down.he should reduce the Tax by half and watch the number of investments that would come up.You are right. Taxation can be a pain if excessive. But I would like to know how far industrialization has gone. Has GE made some progress in providing employment? Or are they still under construction. What about the rumour of large fruit farms in the region? Is it true? Where is it located and how does it work in terms of ownership, funding, etc? |
ba7man: I thought the Igbos were responsible for making Lagos what it?? Oh, now its the colonials. You guys have a false impression of yourselves. Apart from Ladipo,Computer Village and Alaba market, your perceived dominance ends....Places Fashola is even planning to destroy and re-Construct. Just be thankful we're good hosts and move on with life, if Lagos was in the north and the Northerners read all you say on NL, just pack your bags and run cuz lives will definitely be lost.Wow, I thought I was explicit on that post. Oh well, let me break it down so that you can understand. I was responding to someone posting pictures of Lagos before Nigeria. That means Lagos was what it was at that time because of the colonials. And even then, the colonials pooled resources from other parts of Nigeria to fund infrastructural development in Lagos. Now, we have independence, a huge part of what Lagos is today is thanks to the contribution of other parts of Nigeria, and yes that includes the Igbo. I hope you get it now. And it seems you see the North as an example worth following. While the Igbo do participate in the Northern economy to the level that they are allowed, I would not use the North as any kind of yardstick. But if you want the SW to resemble the North, be my guest. Just start with your own state before you decimate Lagos. That would give us time to sell all our assets in Lagos and leave it for you. And I think it is the residents of Lagos, from whatever origin, that should be thankful for investments from entrepreneurs, not the other way round. |
London-X:Exactly. Several nations, even small ones with economies as large as half of Africa, have sprung up in Europe. Self determination is the only way to prosperity on the African continent. |
na2day!:Wrong, India and Pakistan have been disagreeable nations. India was partitioned before independence because the Moslem Indians wanted a separate state and the partitioning at a point was ratified by an Indian-majority congress! Ghandi might have been against partitioning, but it was the only way. The partitioning of India was a necessary solution and should have been copied in Nigeria. The fact is the Hindus and Sikhs are mortal enemies of the Moslems in India, it is too facile to say the British caused separation. There were reprisal killings of Sikhs after the assassination, but were there expropriation of properties? And besides, the Sikhs would rather leave with the Hindus than the Moslems. That is why the Sikhs would not ask for secession. And the comparison is ridiculous. In the case of the Sikhs, was there a deliberate policy of ethnic cleansing like there was against the Igbos? For a populous country like India, 25000 doesn't even compare proportionally with the number of Igbo people killed during the pogroms, either in percentage terms or nominal terms. It's like suggesting the Jews should have remained part of Nazi Germany during and after the Holocaust, that's plain ludicrous. |
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django1: Where do you live? If it is lagos or any SW state you can take the first step by moving back home, am not chasing you but my point is your ppl don't put their money where their mouth is."Moving back" would not give me or my people self determination, neither would it allow me to invest in federal government only facilities or rid the law books of federal character nonsense. If you think it would, you go back to your state and see if it works. |
OoduaDefence: [b]When I read some of the comments here it just made me realize how unintelligent many Nigerians are.I hear people saying Yorubas will suffer because we don't have much oil and all that. Ok let me educate you unintelligent people.I totally agree that it takes more than natural resources to build an economy and I am sure the Western region can survive, so can the North. The West just have to watch out for whatever made the ancient Yoruba kingdoms engage in internecine wars and the North watch out for religious and ethnic intolerance. The East just have to watch out for Biafrans that think like Nigerians. So that's settled. Let us move beyond talking and defensiveness to ask for self determination. Who's with me? |
django1: I wasn't responding to the content of her post! She said earlier that yorubas have started again (sth like dt), but she failed to see cjrane's post in the beginning and I've seen some of her post on other threads claiming victim.Alright. My Internet connection will not permit me to check that out. But I do think we should take dismemberment of the country seriously, otherwise it would take us seriously. Countries that don't take it seriously face the violent aspect of change. Countries that take it seriously either address the discontent in the land or separate peacefully. The latter option is the way out for Nigeria 'cause I just don't see this country addressing the real issues. This very country was not even founded on anything that makes nations what they are - not even fear of external threats. The fear is instead for each. |
django1: Nnenna do you realise you've wrongly yorubas on this thread and yet to apologise?Her example is relevant and not entirely off topic. It just emphasizes what I have been saying that a lot of the development in Lagos were undertaken by "outsiders". It's not an insult, in US they constantly celebrate how "outsiders" from Europe and Asia help in developing their country. |
bloggernaija: Lagos before nigeria. Nobody should delude themselves that anything will change about Lagos. In fact that state needs serious emigration.Instead of waiting for emigration, why not expand development to nearby less populated states. That's what China does. Waiting for emigration will get you nowhere. If you don't believe me, then leave Lagos with your family and stay out instead of telling others to leave. Of course you could take the Pakistani approach of killing "outsiders" and become like another Nigerian city - Kano. Off topic but I just thought it became necessary due to the frequent mention of "emigration" here. A little commonsense now and then comes in handy. |