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Barbarthundey:
Zuckerberg!!! How far nau... Wetin dey xup

Can you just dash me $1000 for no reason? I need it urgently

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Oga go jobberman go find job

APC give us back our votes...

Muslims?

We ran from fry pan(Jonathan) to fire(Buhari). God help us....a

We ran from fry pan(Jonathan) to fire(Buhari). God help us....

Abbokis are the problem of this country.

xtervaganza:
bravo.......bra fxcking vo



What a nice piece of junk you put up there.


Something has to set another in motion but nothing set your god in motion
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This is so funny I'm almost crying

. Its simple logic.

omonnakoda:
You say there is a first but that is your assumption without evidence .On the number scale there is 0 and an infinite number on the negative scale.You display a lack of understanding of basic numeracy.Your fallacious assumption is that number scale must be linear. I say it could be circular or even multidimensional.But I am not here to teach mathematics

true 0 comes before 1. What is zero. If I say there are 0 oranges on the table, am simply saying there are no oranges there. Zero means nothing even in maths.

omonnakoda:
You say so does not make it true.No doubt that you believe what you have written but it is illogical, how can a first mover move without another earlier mover and so on?

can anything come before first. If something is the first, we can only have something that comes after it and not before it. It not about what I believe, but what is rational and logical. If I am on a queue and I push the person in front of me, in order for him to gain balance he pushed the person in his front and on and on. Who pushed me when I am the last person on the queue.

drsmith1:
GEJ"s opposed decision of fuel subsidy was an irrational one..this one is a timely decision to save the present fuel situation

sharrrappp!!!

When people use unprintable names online

xtervaganza:
if the ball is just a tool. Then who pushed the ball?

. The first mover. He is responsible for all the other movement. He himself is not bounded by any movement. That first mover is God

cloudgoddess:
To claim to know something by faith is literally oxymoronic. Faith in it's essence is believing without evidence, accepting something as true without solid proofs. It's using ones emotions as a way to evaluate claims.

So "knowing" something through faith isn't "knowing" at all, it's just hoping, cloaked in unwarranted certainty.

Faith still remains the best way to prove God's existence, it is our belief, we may be right or wrong our belief is our belief. It is not based on our senses because even our senses are not reliable. Our faith is the only assurance we have..

odijeks:
I highlighted that I want to make people really think from a neutral point of view. there are only 2 ideas of the beauty and intelligence of nature: the first is that it was designed by an intelligent God. the 2nd says its just randomness, time and luck that brought about this beautifully complex nature we see. No one has to force anybody to believe anything. think about both ideas, analyze nature and choose for yourself which makes sense.

if I told you someone created God wouldn't that just still push the question back again cos I would have to explain who created the person that created God. for God to create all things, it means he has to be independent of all things and be created by no one.

the bible was written by men, that is true, but God inspired them to write about him as a testimony to the whole human race. how do I know this? the bible was written by over 40 different authors across time. many of these authors never had the privilege of meeting each other. yet, the similarity of each author's report of God is what points that these men were not writing down there own ideas, and it depicts a common source of the information they put down. No two people think alike in the world think exactly alike, but the accuracy of the bible, written across the ages, written by different people but having the very same idea of God's work and nature tells me that the bible is really God's word.

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We know God exist because it is based on faith. You can't explain faith to atheists out there. There some arguments I believe can be used to prove the existence of God outside faith and religion.

Isomerizm:
in this case my dear, Engineer God is the ball if I'm not mistaken. The hand that moved that ball is now metaphorically what in the realm of his majesty?

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You are contradicting yourself and you are not sure of what you believe. You are mistaken already. If God is the ball according to you, who then threw the ball. So if I threw a stone and broke your windscreen will you say my hand is metaphorical and let me go scot free.

OgundeleT:
and something must create that god if we are to argue on that premise, if i get you clearly u mean something must come out from something? if so then your god also must come from something, so also is the creator of the god, and so it goes without end. but if you believe ur god can exist without a creator then earth can exist without a creator

There must always be a starting point of anything. Something that puts every other things in motion that is itself not caused by motion. That something is God. By the way, if God does not exist according to you how did you know there is something called God

xtervaganza:
so according to your twisted logic, who's the ball? Who hit the bottle with the ball?




Can you reason ok? Lol



Something has to set something in motion.



The idea that your god was just around alone naked like a psycho is a shower of sh1t

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Sorry sir. The ball was only an instrument I used to hit the bottles. The ball can't move itself unless I move it. Something or somebody is responsible for the movement and not the instruments.

End time lashing

xtervaganza:
see the nonsense you just posted.




So god the 1st mover did not have something that set him in motion? Lol



See how absurd your logic is

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You tell me what can move the first mover. If there are 7 bottles close to each other and I hit the first bottle with a ball the first bottle in turn hits the other like that until it gets to the very last. The first mover is unmoved. It is not about insult bro its about using your number 6 to reason.

OUK is among the 'fantastically corrupt' politicians in Nigeria. He should not be asking Cameron for an apology, rather he should apologize to us for disgracing Nigeria both locally and internationally.

omonnakoda:
You explain God's existence. This is a failure of logic. The claim is God Must exist because existence must have come from somewhere. Well that line of reasoning requires that God too came from somewhere and so on and so on. God was created by Man in Man's image

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For a motion to take place, there must always be a first mover that starts the movement before other things moves with it. God is the first mover that sets everything in motion.

odijeks:
Ever heard atheists argue that there just is not enough evidence to prove the existence of God? Some go as far as saying "God is omnipresent and is everywhere, then show me God in order to believe he exists". Well, the bible says God is a Spirit so I can't literally show you God (I haven't seen him either) but that doesn't prove that he doesn't exist. Simply because I can't show you air doesn't mean that it doesn't exist in the room you occupy right now. However, I can show you the influence of this 'invisible' air when it knocks down a 'visible' object or flips open the pages of a book. here is an attempt to candidly show that God has made himself evident for man to perceive.

1. God reveals Himself through nature
If you are a nature-lover or have ever taken the time to appreciate the beauty of the natural world around you, you can see the handiwork that points to an incredibly intelligent creator and designer. Look at the beauty of the sunset, the awe you experience watching the earth's polar lights in the sky (aurora), the glory of the night sky with all the stars, the dawning of the day with the blades of grass glistening like diamonds as the sunlight bounces off tiny water droplets of dew, you would ask yourself questions like "would mindless and impersonal physical forces or a chain of chance-like events need or care to make something this beautiful that man can appreciate?" One would have to be willfully ignorant to attribute all the intricacies found in nature to random chaotic events. A close look at nature reveals an intricate level of design that points undeniably to an intelligent Designer (Psalms 19:1-4). Nevertheless, some still live in denial.

2. Our Planet Earth.
The perfection of the Earth in relation to it's support of the billions of life in it never seizes to amaze. Earth is the only known planet equipped with an atmosphere of the right mixture of gases to sustain plant, animal and human life. This is attributed to it's perfect size and corresponding gravitational pull which causes it to be able to hold the right amount of oxygen and nitrogen adequate for life. If the earth were larger, it would contain an unreasonable amount of free hydrogen in its atmosphere. If it were smaller, it may not have an atmosphere large enough to protect the planet from solar and cosmic radiations from space. Still think this is co-incidence ? Let's look at the Earth's position in space as well.

NASA places the diameter of our solar system at a humongous 288,000,000,000 km. Dispersed within this wide space are 8 planets (including Earth). The distance from Earth to the sun is at about 150,000,000 km which is the perfect distance for Earth to be inhabitable. If the Earth were any further away from the sun, we would freeze. Any closer and we would burn up. With 8 planets dispersed within such a wide range of our solar system's diameter, you can calculate for yourself the probability of luckily finding a planet at that exact distance from the sun (that is not too far and not too close), then you decide for yourself if we were just ridiculously lucky or it was placed there by intent. Even a fractional variance in the Earth's position to the sun would make life on Earth impossible. The Earth remains this perfect distance from the sun while it rotates around the sun at a speed of nearly 67,000 mph. It is also rotating on its axis, allowing the entire surface of the Earth to be properly warmed and cooled every day.

3. Complexity of living organisms
From all I learned in biology classes, it would require an unreasonable level of faith to believe that highly complex biochemical reactions like oxidation phosphorylation, photosynthesis, enzymatic breakdown of ingested food, our amazing immune system, transmission of nervous impulses through the body, e.t.c, resulted out of mere chance. Even if I came into the world yesterday, I can't look at the twin towers and attribute them to forces of nature, thinking to myself "the wind, after several years, must have pushed all these blocks into place". These are amazingly complex and inter-linked reactions going on in us daily of which I'm sure that the best of scientists can't think up or create such a system so complex and independent. Still, scientists wouldn't admit the intelligence behind these processes. Let's look at blood clot formation for example. The reason why animal's don't bleed out till death after they get a cut is simply because of this complexly designed process. A cascade of events involving 12 different factors ensues when a blood vessel is broken. This linked events all lead to the formation of a clot at the site of bleeding in order to occlude the opening in the vessel. If just 1 of these 12 factors were missing, blood clot formation would be impossible and it would be a normal phenomenon for one to bleed to death after having an accident as minor as a paper cut. Yet all 12 factors (not 7,8 or 11) are currently present in the blood to initiate this reaction when needed. What's even more amazing is that these factors are present in your blood as you read this, yet they don't start forming the clots within the blood vessels because that would potentially kill you. They only initiate this process when you have a cut. That's just amazing if you ask me. This is just an example out of thousands of intelligent systems in nature. Do you really think such systems were built by chance or a highly intelligent being?

4. Theist Scientists
Most atheists often have this wrong ideology of "God VS Science". This is totally absurd because God himself is a scientist (the best at that) as we've seen in the above mentioned points. God made all scientific and universal laws and was in fact scientific in all his creation. God was actually leaving clues of his existence by showing his brilliance and intelligence in the works of nature and his intent was for man to search them out and acknowledge him (Proverbs 25:2). Many of the smartest human geniuses that have worked the earth were theist. These were really smart people who had knowledge of scientific laws and based most of their works on facts and scientific evidences. Yet, they didn't think it foolish to believe in a superior intelligent being. Why? Because they couldn't help but recognize God's signatures dispersed in the details along the quest of their research works. Some of these theist scientists include: Gregor Mendel, Galileo Galilei, Louis Pasteur, Michael Faraday, Isaac Newton, Blaise Pascal and even famous Albert Einstein to name a few. The more we go deeper in scientific discoveries, the more of God we see. It's however unfortunate and sad that most current scientists have refused to acknowledge this glaring truth (2 Corinthians 4:4).

5. God exists because he impresses this fact in the heart of men
The bible says the truth of God has been made known to man instinctively, for God put this knowledge in their hearts. Yet, some push the truth away from themselves (Romans 1:18,19). This shows that God made it unavoidable for man to see or feel his existence. God did not leave us to wander alone, aimlessly hoping that somehow we would stumble across the truth, which He intends for us to recognize. God wants us to find Him; therefore, He reaches out to us. Sometimes you wonder why the atheist goes through so much trouble just to discredit the bible or refute the idea that a God he doesn't even believe in exists. The atheist probably doesn't yet realize that the reason the topic of God weighs so heavily on his mind is simply because God is impressing it. God wants to be known. He made man unique from other creatures with the intent that we would seek and know him. He not only surrounded us with evidence of himself but He keeps the question of his existence squarely before us. God is presently nudging the hearts of people so that they might realize their sinful condition, the inevitable coming judgment, and their need of a Savior (John 16:8-11). The underlying reason atheists are bothered by people believing in God is because God is actively seeking them.



I know many atheist would go through this post in order to refute the ideas highlighted, but I'm not here to disprove atheism. I'm just here to cause the reader to really think for himself in an unbiased and neutral manner on these things. Regardless of what you may have heard, the truth the bible teaches is that God intensely loves you unconditionally. He is not going to love you more if you convert to a believer. He already loves you intensely, that's why he was willing to come in form of man and personally receive the punishment on the cross for the sins you've committed in the past or would ever commit in the future (John 3:16; Romans 5:3-8 ). The misconception that God punishes people in hell because they sin or refuse to love him is not the truth of the bible. Rather, the bible teaches that though we are guilty of many sins, God justifies us anyways and gives us eternal life if we accept and receive it through faith in Christ's sacrifice (Romans 5:16). The reason why anyone would go to hell fire is not because of this person's numerous sins. No!, it has been established that everyone (including the Christian) is born a sinner and commits sin. Yet, People are only judged guilty because they refused to receive the justification and eternal life freely given to them by Christ. It would really be shameful and agonizingly regretful to see yourself in hell not because you were morally the worst person on earth, but because you were too prideful to receive the gift of life that was already given to you freely by Christ. Choose life today if you haven't. God loves you.

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I'm a Christian and I believe in God but to be sincere your arguments does not hold water. How did you come to the conclusion that God is responsible for nature. Do you have any prove that is not based on any unverified religious book. What if even God was also created by another been to be part of nature.
You can't convince me from the Bible because whether you like it or not, it was written by men.

Nice revelations

EFCC help me close DAT fooooolish Sterling Bank. When they are ready to work then they should come back. Just imagine me going to three Sterling Banks and all don't have network.

Yahoo Girl No Laptop

Who She EPP?

I pity the middle belt States especially for still associating themselves with the north. When the killings were going on in Benue they didn't come out to condemn it, if not for the Enugu killings them would have kept quite like buhari. Middle belt wake up!

I pity the middle belt States especially Benue, Plateau, Kogi for still associating themselves with the north. When the killings were going on in Benue they didn't come out to condemn it, if not for the Enugu killings them would have kept quite like buhari. Middle belt wake up!

Will all these stop the "Fulani criminals" or rather herdsmen