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johnydon22:
Lolzzzz the thing is you lack adequate comprehension... i had no reason going in circles with you anymore...

......kids of this days.

The evidence of who lack adequate comprehension is apparent. You are not wise.

Weah96:
But did he believe in personal Gods? I don't think so.Period.

If you are not sure, you can't add a 'period' to it. Period.
'Impersonal God' does not mean God is not a person- an entity with a mind is a person. The belief in a 'personal God' is a matter of faith. Blind faith or reasonable faith.

That there is a God is all that is relevant to this thread.

Thomas Paine believed in God too. And he also wrote the atheist manifesto, called the Age of Reason.

Age of Reason is a deistic literature not an atheistic one. Big difference.

johnydon22:
am guessing you have no dictionary at home or in your device

The last time the dictionary definition of 'belief' you provided contradicted your view and proved mine true, you still went about in 'denial mode' parroting a false dichotomy between belief and knowledge in other threads. Remember?

Define reality. Lets see if you inderstand it from a phylosophical standpoint.

Weah96:
Who cares about the way the universe looks? It didn't affect my decision to quit religion and embrace reality.

ooookokobioko! ;-)
You do not care about the way the universe looks yet you have embraced reality. So how were you able to discern reality let alone embrace it?

OBSERVE the lilies, HOW they grow. They
neither labour nor spin. And yet I tell you
that not even Solomon in all his splendour
was as beautifully dressed as one of these.
- Jesus Christ (Luke 12:27)

Science is the intellectual and practical activity
encompassing the systematic study of the
structure and behaviour of the physical and
natural world through observation and
experiment. -Dictionary

The bolded is the classic definition of science needed to be closer to empirical realities. Yet this physical realities can shed light into spiritual realities you 'atheists' are too blind to see.

Albert Eistein started out an atheist but real science led him to believe in the existence of God. Period.

johnydon22:
Can you tell us that other myth? Since when have reality become a myth?

educate us more boss

define reality.

Rilwayne001:
Stop gasping at straw mr. man.

If you have nothing to say about the OP, kindly beat it biko.

There's no straw to grasp. Just an OP that was further debased from "Culled from a book" to outright plagiarism by a dishonest muslim.

Rilwayne001:


Why refer me to a book? can't you copy from that book and use it in addressing the OP?

What happened to "Culled from a book" in the OP? You omitted the vague attribution after I demanded for the source and the name of the author you ought to have provided.

Its disgraceful how low you muslims will go just to score a cheap point.

Rilwayne001:
It is culled from the bible.

Oya face the topic.

That's a shame. What are you hiding?

Since you won't do the needful, I'll do you an undeserved favour by recommending a scholarly book that may save you from your lopsided view:

www.christianbook.com/the-case-for-the-resurrection-jesus/gary-habermas/9780825427886/pd/427886?event=AFF&p=1011693&

Rilwayne001:
Thats not necessary.
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That is not for you to determine; Intellectual etiquette demands that you do.
The source and the author of the information is important for a well-rounded analysis. You should provide it if you're actually interested in a meaningful input.

What's the title of the book and who's the author?

benodic:
it is in the nature of religion to be divisive and there is nothing you can do about it.

more focus should be placed on the spiritual practices that bring out the God-like qualities within us.

once that happens you will find yourself rising above those divisions easily

Being born-again transcends religion and only Jesus Christ can truly bring out the God-like qualities within us.
If you disagree, then it means what you are proposal is just another competing belief system.

An2elect2:
I don't need or rather we don't need any special thread to share our faith. There is absolutely nothing to hide my friend cos our gospel brings light to men and save the most unworthy of all men. So keep your demands to yourself.

Your muslim brothers need to lock up cos they are afraid of being exposed if put to test. That's what feasting with the devil does to you.

The founder of the internet is an atheist? oh really? i guess you expect me to back off the net right? here is a surprise for you, God can use whoever, whatever to fulfill His determined will on earth, to reach out to this dying world and to unite His sheep all over the world.

Raw#

#seconded

Soldiers of Christ need no cage.

AllNaijaBlogger:
That was a debate! I am guessing that was during a time where the religion section was one and certain people didn't have a cave to shield their beliefs.


Viaro is my new hero.

#retro nairaland

You can say that again!

The moslems took the offensive, only to be effectively "pinned down" in a tight corner with no room to manouver their "ostritch egg" deception.

Ifeann:
Chiedu7 u are right. . Mohammed thought the earth was flat. .u can Google for the hadiths that show this error in thinking by the prophet. .this is why Muslims are commanded to face the kabba in mecca during prayer so as not to point their butt.s to it. . However the joke is on Muslims because the earth is spherical hence their butt.s are pointed to it regardless..

You might enjoy Abuzola/Olabowale vs Viaro:
www.nairaland.com/352044/bible-says-earth-flat-while

Rilwayne001:
Not funny, perhaps you have nothing to say?

You wish.
It doesn't make sense isolating words to make them mean what you want, instead of what the author intended: Anyone can contribute to a general subject - I do not recall having agreement for an exclusive debate with you. Marvin is in order.

As you can see his response he didnt bother to reply the four underlined statements.

You are dubiously isolating words to infer a different meaning to them e.g
Your quote:

God is not man,

The complete verse:

God is not a man, that he should lie; neither the son of man, that he should repent: hath he said, and shall not do it? or hath he spoken, and shall he not make it good? - Num 23:19

You can deduce from the verse that it is not really a question of onthology as it is of man's moral condition (holiness and integrity).
The verse does not imply that God cannot incarnate.

I want you to reconcile those outlined four statements to your claim that jesus is yahweh. Do you want me to copy and paste that post again?

Your outlines are to be corrected, not reconciled; since they were quoted out of context.

I have provided some verses that equate Jesus to Yahweh.

As for the other verse you provide...I will touch it after you address the ones i provided.

Rilwayne001:
Sorry.

Let him reply me.

Now, thats funny. Why should it matter? Is it not an answer you want?

In addition to Malvin's:

Very truly I tell you," Jesus answered,
"before Abraham was born, I AM ! -John 8-58

And God said unto Moses, I AM THAT I AM: and he said, Thus shalt thou say unto the children of Isreal, I AM hath sent me unto you. -Ex 3:14

And I appeared unto Abraham , unto Isaac, and unto Jacob, by the name of God Almighty, but by my name YAWEH was I not known to them. - Ex 6:3

I AM and Yahweh means exactly thesame thing - Eternal, self-existing. God's name represents is nature.

Jesus Christ called himself Yahweh, that is why the Jews attempted to stone Him to death for blasphemy.

Rilwayne001:
Quote it out and use it in answering my question.

If Jesus created all things, then he must have created Yahweh the God of moses, is'nt it?

Simple Yes or No.

Jesus Christ is Yahweh.

It seems contextual reasoning is not a strong point for most moslems in this forum. Since the basis of the OP is to strip Jesus of is divine nature- being a man. timonski is only trying to emphasize Jesus' divinity by setting Him apart from other men by using His creative power over creation as an example.

God is uncreated.

Rilwayne001:
Including Yawheh?



Answer my question, jesus created everythin according to your first post, does the "everything" include yahweh?



What why make a statement when actually you have no knowledge watsoever to back up your claim?

John 1 - 3

Empiree:
that silly thing I have been fed since nursery 1 and even had those stupid songs. And in 2015 you want to convince me to worship 3 gods? you got to be out of your mind. Rubbish.
Show me from all your bibles where Jesus made claim to trinity?. Your fellow Christian clowns can't defend their basic beliefs that's why they attacking Islam on NL.
I wish I have time for you to trash this trinity nonsense. Not even all Christians believe in that crap

From the above, its clear that its not a question of you having the time to debate the Trinity; but whether you possess the sanity for a sound and well-structured debate.

When there is sufficient evidence that you have your mind together, then I can consider debating the truthfulness of the Trinity with you.

"Empiree":
Everything you said you said up there is complete
nonsense especially @bold. You simply saying
when jesus was on earth preaching as 100% man
(flesh), who then controlled the heavens at
moment ?. He put it on auto pilot?. Your doctrine
is really messed up.

You need to brush up on basic doctrine of the Trinity.

According to you he's 100% God, 100% man and
at the same time he's son of God i:e he's is own
God's son. Doctrine of yours is fundamentally
flawed.

Son of God is God the Son - Second member of Trinity.

Sorry Jesus cant be God and human at
the same time. That's rubbish.

Says who?

In islam it's just simple. God and Jesus are
distinct, different entity. If you believe differently
you blaspheme. A sin that will land you in Hell
(forever) with no possibility of getting out. It's
shirk !

Only that Islam is fake.

God the Father, Son, Holy Spirit are distinct persons yet one God.

The Triune Godhead is not polytheism, but before you dissaprove again, you may want to clear the air on Mohammed's approval and and declaration for polytheism in the Satanic Verse.

tola9ja: ALL WHAT YOU INSIST IS THAT JESUS WAS
CRUCIFIED ABI
THAT MEANS HE IS ACCURSED BY GOD SIMPLE
Deuteronomy 21:23Revised Standard Version
(RSV)
23 his body shall not remain all night upon the
tree, but you shall bury him the same day, for a
hanged man is accursed by God;
you shall not defile your land which the Lord your
God gives you for an inheritance.

You are right about the curse part. It is actually the basis of our salvation:

Christ redeemed us from the curse of the
law by becoming a curse for us, for it is
written: "Cursed is everyone who is hung on
a pole." -Gal 3:13

God made him who had no sin to be sin for
us, so that in him we might become the
righteousness of God. 2Cor 5:21

You see Tola, what happened on the cross was a kind of transaction. Jesus took upon himself the sins of the world and the curses upon the world in exchange for His righteousness and blessings.
The Father forsook Him and the weight of our sins killed Him by the most terrible heart failure.
He went to hell in our place but God raised Him from the dead so that we can become children of God and also make heaven.

Your salvation is sealed when you receive this free gift. But rejecting it- when you discover it true, will seal your damnation (it is the sin against the Holy Spirit).

As for the Divinity and Humanity of Jesus Christ:
- Jesus is 100% God, 100% Man.
- Jesus is Son of God(manifestation of God, exact represention of God).
- Jesus is Son of Man(Last Adam, representation of Mankind).

- As Son of God, He has the POWER to save man.
-As Son of Man, He has the AUTHORITY to save man

Its one thing to do good acts without God(Actions motivated by whatever reason), its another thing to be a good person(Holiness- a state of being).

The "atheists" on this thread are using propaganda techniques to "expose" "creationist propaganda and misinformation"

johnydon22:
So this ur belief is actually based on knowledge?

Do you now agree that a belief could be based on knowledge?

**sighs** Now how am i supposed to negatively prove what you that is making the claim can't even prove? alright I have a flying horse, can you prove i dont?

You should stop messing around.
You are the one who assumed belief is but an assumption(positive); Therefore the onus is on you to prove your assumption true.

Thats exactly what am trying to do, now be a good boy and tell me which part of you is responsible for emotions?

You should have been a responsible boy and answer the question you elicited in the first place.

The non-existent "contradiction" you recklessly sited in my post that was mend to help someone else as been roundly debunked. It is the reason why I responded to you anyway.

Good night

johnydon22:
first i hate long boring arguments....let me take you to the dictionary...Belief is defined as "
Mental acceptance of a claim as truth regardless of supporting or contrary empirical evidence." now tell me how belief can pass as knowledge?

You just affirm what I've been educating you about.
This is my proposition: belief could be predicated on knowledge.
In other words, belief could be based on anything including knowledge.

You already said it all...

Swallow your pride and stop being dishonest by cherry picking. This is it in full:
I cannot prove my subjective experience of a spiritual encounter to you; neither can you prove it to be an assumption.

Please what part of ur body is responsible for emotions? (simple question no long boring post)

Prove that emotion is material. I asked you first.

johnydon22:
That you believe an assumption to be true doesnt make it true...

You are going around in circles.
First, it is a fallacy to assume that a belief is based on assumption.
Your argument was: belief is assumption not knowledge. This is fallacy because a belief could be predicated on knowledge.

If you are honest to yourself, you have no idea what or who or how this your god is exactly; You are just assuming how you think it is or how you want it to be so its plain assumption...

By definition, a spirit cannot be seen. God is spirit. Except He chooses to manifest Himself. I cannot prove my subjective experience of a spiritual encounter to you; neither can you prove it to be an assumption - so you are the one that needs to be honest with yourself.

That you believe this assumption to be true doesnt make it true, same goes to that you believe that their is a supernatural man that is not a man too that lives in the sky, has a son and exhibits human traits and emotions like jealousy does not making it true that their is such entity.

This is a messed up analysis in need of of refinement. You might want to think more carefully and repost.

Prove that emotion is material.

johnydon22:
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Its quite good you know its just mere belief (of assumptions) and not knowledge

I did not see this.
To believe something to be true is not the same as an assumption. Belief can be based on knowledge.

I encourage you NL Atheists to be rigorous with your thinking and stop being impulsive.

johnydon22:
You guys are so funny... something that isnt flesh not even human possess emotions!!! jealousy the most of all ... habaaa cant you guys just see all this are just assumptions?
nawa ooo

You are gradually shifting ground -that is not the point of the OP.
For the bolded, a negative emotion is not the same as an evil emotion. When someone is angry against injustice, that is a righteous anger. When someone is jealous for the one he loves, that is a good thing. (not jealous of).

Can you prove that emotion is material?

johnydon22:
Nawa oooo.. **sighs** So u actually copied this and pasted...atleast u should have read it well before posting

eeeeeeeeeeeeasy young man, no dey rush

You assumed wrongly that this 2 lines from the body text contradict each other. Not so.

God is a Person, obviously, because God exhibits all the characteristics of personhood: God has a mind, a will, an intellect, and emotions

Since God is a spiritual being, He does not possess physical human characteristics

Your error is the fact that you are confusing Person for Physical

From a Christian orthological perspective:
A person is an entity with mind, will and emotion - not necessarily a physical being.

A human individual is a physical being possessing mind, will, emotions; therefore, a physical person (corporeal).
We believe in the existence of spirits: A spirit can think, exercise will, express emotions; therefore an incorporeal person
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corporeal
kɔːˈpɔːrɪəl/
adjective
adjective: corporeal
relating to a person's body, especially as opposed to their spirit.
"he was frank about his corporeal appetites"
having a body.
"a corporeal God"
synonyms: bodily, fleshly, carnal, corporal, human, mortal, earthly; More
antonyms: incorporeal

incorporeal
ˌɪnkɔːˈpɔːrɪəl/Submit
adjective
not composed of matter; having no material existence.
"a supreme but incorporeal being called God"
synonyms: intangible, impalpable, non-material, non-physical;
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3. God is a spirit; therefore God is an Incorporeal PERSON

Question: "Is God male or female?"

Answer: In examining Scripture, two facts become clear. First, God is a Spirit and does not possess human characteristics or limitations. Second, all the evidence contained in Scripture agrees that God revealed Himself to mankind in a male form. To begin, God’s true nature needs to be understood. God is a Person, obviously, because God exhibits all the characteristics of personhood: God has a mind, a will, an intellect, and emotions. God communicates and He has relationships, and God’s personal actions are evidenced throughout Scripture.

As John 4:24 states, “God is spirit, and his worshipers must worship in spirit and in truth.” Since God is a spiritual being, He does not possess physical human characteristics. However, sometimes figurative language used in Scripture assigns human characteristics to God in order to make it possible for man to understand God. This assignment of human characteristics to describe God is called “anthropomorphism.” Anthropomorphism is simply a means for God (a spiritual being) to communicate truth about His nature to humanity, physical beings. Since humanity is physical, we are limited in our understanding of those things beyond the physical realm; therefore, anthropomorphism in Scripture helps us to understand who God is.

Some of the difficulty comes in examining the fact that humanity is created in God’s image. Genesis 1:26-27 says, “Then God said, ‘Let us make man in our image, in our likeness, and let them rule over the fish of the sea and the birds of the air, over the livestock, over all the earth, and over all the creatures that move along the ground.’ So God created man in his own image, in the image of God he created him; male and female he created them.”

Both man and woman are created in the image of God, in that they are greater than all the other creations as they, like God, have a mind, will, intellect, emotions, and moral capacity. Animals do not possess a moral capacity and do not possess an immaterial component like humanity does. The image of God is the spiritual component that humanity alone possesses. God created humanity to have a relationship with Him. Humanity is the only creation designed for that purpose.

That said, man and woman are only patterned after the image of God—they are not tiny “copies” of God. The fact that there are men and women does not require God to have male and female features. Remember, being made in the image of God has nothing to do with physical characteristics.

We know that God is a spiritual being and does not possess physical characteristics. This does not limit, however, how God may choose to reveal Himself to humanity. Scripture contains all the revelation God gave to humanity about Himself, and so it is the only objective source of information about God. In looking at what Scripture tells us, there are several observations of evidence about the form in which God revealed Himself to humanity.

Scripture contains approximately 170 references to God as the “Father.” By necessity, one cannot be a father unless one is male. If God had chosen to be revealed to man in a female form, then the word “mother” would have occurred in these places, not “father.” In the Old and New Testaments, masculine pronouns are used over and over again in reference to God.

Jesus Christ referred to God as the Father several times and in other cases used masculine pronouns in reference to God. In the Gospels alone, Christ uses the term “Father” in direct reference to God nearly 160 times. Of particular interest is Christ’s statement in John 10:30: “I and the Father are one.” Obviously, Jesus Christ came in the form of a human man to die on the cross as payment for the sins of the world. Like God the Father, Jesus was revealed to humanity in a male form. Scripture records numerous other instances where Christ utilized masculine nouns and pronouns in reference to God.

The New Testament Epistles (from Acts to Revelation) also contain nearly 900 verses where the word theos—a masculine noun in the Greek—is used in direct reference to God. In countless references to God in Scripture, there is clearly a consistent pattern of His being referred to with masculine titles, nouns, and pronouns. While God is not a man, He chose a masculine form in order to reveal Himself to humanity. Likewise, Jesus Christ, who is constantly referred to with masculine titles, nouns, and pronouns, took a male form while He walked on the earth. The prophets of the Old Testament and the apostles of the New Testament refer to both God and Jesus Christ with masculine names and titles. God chose to be revealed in this form in order for man to more easily grasp who He is. While God makes allowances in order to help us understand Him, it is important to not try to “force God into a box,” so to speak, by placing limitations on Him that are not appropriate to His nature.

Read more: http://www.gotquestions.org/God-male-female.html#ixzz3QhREhv6C