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Mr_Anony: I don't know but perhaps you should ask these guys:

"Communism begins where atheism begins" - Karl Marx

"Our program necessarily includes the propaganda of atheism." - Vladmir Lenin

"America is like a healthy body and its resistance is threefold: its patriotism, its morality and its spiritual life. If we can undermine these three areas, America will collapse from within." - Josef Stalin

Splendid. A better response.

wiegraf: What does atheism have to do with any of that?

I think you should read the Communist Manifesto for a start.

wiegraf: They think all atheists are communists. Or that you can't have one without the other. Or that in fact, atheism does indeed have doctrine.

But mostly, you just underestimate stoopid.

So what is the ideal economic/political system that Atheist/Humanist economic thinkers always dream about? Perhaps you'd want to consult Martian.

frosbel: Please post a link to the original sources of these documents.

The original doc should be in the Library of Congress.
Please google: Congressional Record--Appendix, pp. A34-A35 you'll find some useful links. Thanks

Atheist:-D:
What has this got to do with religion?

Then what are atheists doing in the religion section?

If you can't 'see' the connection between my post and religion....one word- sorry.

Mr_Anony: WOW!

My bro, e don tey wey Satan dey work overtime.
The diabolic scheme against this once great christian nation is almost completed. The Dem Party has been 'hijacked' by communist. USSR is gone but the spirit behind her ideology is still at large. The Antichrist is going to inherit a 'socialist' One World...I am sure you understand why America has to fall.

PHIPEX: I laugh whenever I hear people insist that everything must be shown in Black and white in the Bible. Can anybody tell me where the Bible forbids smoking in the Church? Can anyone show me where the Bible say that it a sin to eat while the Service is going on? If we want to be logical we will certainly find 1001 reasons to do so and still claim freedom. But God gave us our conscience and the Holy Spirit to direct us in certain things that are not explicitly stated in the Bible.

@OP, you may not see anything wrong with what you are doing but LOVE is not necessarily about yourself but about others around you. If people around you are uncomfortable with your dressing or behaviour, it'll be wise to consider them especially in the Church. How much more when the Church Authority frowns at your behaviour, in such case it'll be better to obey than to Sacrifice but if you feel they are wrong, it will be better to find another church where your behaviours are not frowned at because as long as you remain there God will see it as disobedience.

Ec 5:1 ¶ Keep thy foot when thou goest to the house of God, and be more ready to hear, than to give the sacrifice of fools: for they consider not that they do evil.

God bless you.

Congressional Record--Appendix, pp. A34-A35
January 10, 1963

Current Communist Goals

EXTENSION OF REMARKS OF HON. A. S. HERLONG, JR. OF FLORIDA

IN THE HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES

Thursday, January 10, 1963

Mr. HERLONG. Mr. Speaker, Mrs. Patricia Nordman of De Land, Fla., is an ardent and articulate opponent of communism, and until recently published the De Land Courier, which she dedicated to the purpose of alerting the public to the dangers of communism in America.

At Mrs. Nordman's request, I include in the RECORD, under unanimous consent, the following "Current Communist Goals," which she identifies as an excerpt from "The Naked Communist," by Cleon Skousen:

[From "The Naked Communist," by Cleon Skousen]

CURRENT COMMUNIST GOALS

1. U.S. acceptance of coexistence as the only alternative to atomic war.

2. U.S. willingness to capitulate in preference to engaging in atomic war.

3. Develop the illusion that total disarmament [by] the United States would be a demonstration of moral strength.

4. Permit free trade between all nations regardless of Communist affiliation and regardless of whether or not items could be used for war.

5. Extension of long-term loans to Russia and Soviet satellites.

6. Provide American aid to all nations regardless of Communist domination.

7. Grant recognition of Red China. Admission of Red China to the U.N.

8. Set up East and West Germany as separate states in spite of Khrushchev's promise in 1955 to settle the German question by free elections under supervision of the U.N.

9. Prolong the conferences to ban atomic tests because the United States has agreed to suspend tests as long as negotiations are in progress.

10. Allow all Soviet satellites individual representation in the U.N.

11. Promote the U.N. as the only hope for mankind. If its charter is rewritten, demand that it be set up as a one-world government with its own independent armed forces. (Some Communist leaders believe the world can be taken over as easily by the U.N. as by Moscow. Sometimes these two centers compete with each other as they are now doing in the Congo.)

12. Resist any attempt to outlaw the Communist Party.

13. Do away with all loyalty oaths.

14. Continue giving Russia access to the U.S. Patent Office.

15. Capture one or both of the political parties in the United States.

16. Use technical decisions of the courts to weaken basic American institutions by claiming their activities violate civil rights.

17. Get control of the schools. Use them as transmission belts for socialism and current Communist propaganda. Soften the curriculum. Get control of teachers' associations. Put the party line in textbooks.

18. Gain control of all student newspapers.

19. Use student riots to foment public protests against programs or organizations which are under Communist attack.

20. Infiltrate the press. Get control of book-review assignments, editorial writing, policymaking positions.

21. Gain control of key positions in radio, TV, and motion pictures.

22. Continue discrediting American culture by degrading all forms of artistic expression. An American Communist cell was told to "eliminate all good sculpture from parks and buildings, substitute shapeless, awkward and meaningless forms."

23. Control art critics and directors of art museums. "Our plan is to promote ugliness, repulsive, meaningless art."

24. Eliminate all laws governing obscenity by calling them "censorship" and a violation of free speech and free press.

25. Break down cultural standards of morality by promoting pornography and obscenity in books, magazines, motion pictures, radio, and TV.

26. Present homosexuality, degeneracy and promiscuity as "normal, natural, healthy."

27. Infiltrate the churches and replace revealed religion with "social" religion. Discredit the Bible and emphasize the need for intellectual maturity which does not need a "religious crutch."

28. Eliminate prayer or any phase of religious expression in the schools on the ground that it violates the principle of "separation of church and state."

29. Discredit the American Constitution by calling it inadequate, old-fashioned, out of step with modern needs, a hindrance to cooperation between nations on a worldwide basis.

30. Discredit the American Founding Fathers. Present them as selfish aristocrats who had no concern for the "common man."

31. Belittle all forms of American culture and discourage the teaching of American history on the ground that it was only a minor part of the "big picture." Give more emphasis to Russian history since the Communists took over.

32. Support any socialist movement to give centralized control over any part of the culture--education, social agencies, welfare programs, mental health clinics, etc.

33. Eliminate all laws or procedures which interfere with the operation of the Communist apparatus.

34. Eliminate the House Committee on Un-American Activities.

35. Discredit and eventually dismantle the FBI.

36. Infiltrate and gain control of more unions.

37. Infiltrate and gain control of big business.

38. Transfer some of the powers of arrest from the police to social agencies. Treat all behavioral problems as psychiatric disorders which no one but psychiatrists can understand [or treat].

39. Dominate the psychiatric profession and use mental health laws as a means of gaining coercive control over those who oppose Communist goals.

40. Discredit the family as an institution. Encourage promiscuity and easy divorce.

41. Emphasize the need to raise children away from the negative influence of parents. Attribute prejudices, mental blocks and retarding of children to suppressive influence of parents.

42. Create the impression that violence and insurrection are legitimate aspects of the American tradition; that students and special-interest groups should rise up and use ["]united force["] to solve economic, political or social problems.

43. Overthrow all colonial governments before native populations are ready for self-government.

44. Internationalize the Panama Canal.

45. Repeal the Connally reservation so the United States cannot prevent the World Court from seizing jurisdiction [over domestic problems. Give the World Court jurisdiction] over nations and individuals alike.

Amen...and Amen. Thank you.

Happy new year Ola.

davidylan: I gave up on the dude a while back. Arguing with these folks is like pouring water on a rock... a waste of time and space.

Actually, i am done with him on this too. You have effectively done justice to this thread for any sensible person to decipher. Well done davidylan and a happy new year to you in advance.

plaetton: [s]No. you are the fraud.
Are these your biblical high places? The ones you quoted from your bible earlier on?

So while we are debating about The difference between a Temple and An High in the context of the bible, you are showing us structures from another civilization that has nothing to do with your bible and your Israelites, to show that.............?

This particular culture built their high places of sacrifice on mountaintops by carving out the sides of mountains.
But most significantly, they had their temple which was quite distinct from their High places of sacrifice.
It is that distinction that I have been trying to make you peanut brains to understand.
That is what this debate is all about.
In the case of ancient Israel, why have we not found the remains of their own high places, or even Temples for that matter?

Is pure fraud to take something from another culture, another civilization outside your bible to try to substantiate what is evidently not in your bible.
If I tell you that the Ugaritic texts tell me that Yahweh was a junior god in the Canaanite pantheon, your would respond by telling me that is not in your bible and therefore is neither true nor relevant to you. Right?
Stick to your bible when it suits you and then you jump outside your bible when your biblical evidence is weak.
That is a mark of a fraudster.[/s]

classic somersault. You know nothing about context.

davidylan: I just looked at his foto and laughed. I should have posted a picture of idanre hills and called it a high place too.

frosbel: oh yes , those high places , lol.

very high bros ... see me see desperation oh

This is what plaetton presented to us a high place...a distant shot.

plaetton: Bible-based defence? Defence of what? Do want me to re-write or reword the bible to defend what? I am not like you, I am in no hostage situation, so I dont have to twist anything to defend anything. The only thing worth defending in this case is common sense.

And talking about bible-based defence, where are yours?
Is Nabataen High Places part of you bible-based defence?
Who were the Nabataens and what gods did they worship?

You blockheads, Even among the Nabataens that you are quick to quote, there were clear differences between thier High Place of Sacrifice and their temple.

Here take a loot at these two pics from the Nabataen past.
One is the remains of a temple, and the other was the High Place of Sacrifice.
Can you tell the difference between a Temple and an High Place?
Your PHD must stand for High Definition P...
lol

And this are makeshift high places? you're a fraud.

plaetton: There are different categories of religious nuts, and in this forum,one can deal with them according their level of ignorance. However, when confronting one who claims to have a phd(it doesn't matter in what subject), one expects far better discourse and dialogue. One expects knowledgeable,coherent, consistent logic, even if opinions differ. In your case, it baffles me when you publicly display ignorance,incoherence, and twisted logic far more than those from whom I expect far less mental dexterity.

What a watery comeback. Guy, put something on the table (apology to Deep Sight)

plaetton: [color=#a3ae99]Yes, hilltops were the preferred places for alters and ritual sacrifices.[/color] So the high places were built on hilltops[color=#a3ae99], so what?
Are you, Davidylan,PHD, telling us here that there is no difference between a Temple and an High Place as in the biblical context?
If you are, please ask for a refund of all your school fees, starting from secondary school. You and your sponsors were obviously duped.
lol.[/color]

davidylan: Sigh. Dont expect this belligerent but ignorant tools to swallow their pride and admit they really dont know what they babble on about.

thanks my bruv, its always good to have you around.

plaetton: Shameless liar?
Do you have comprehension problems?
Pls Read again. I said one of two conclusions.
you obviously went to great lengths to prove conclusion no. 1: That the ancient hebrews were polytheists, something that I have argued repeatedly on this forum.
So where is the lie?

Your falsehood is in red below:
...(a), the bible tells us that the ancient Israelites built only one sacred temple for their one and only god, Yahweh...

You get it?

plaetton: This temple would most likely have been built during the reign of King Jeroboam. The most interesting aspect of this is that (a), the bible tells us that the ancient Israelites built only one sacred temple for their one and only god, Yahweh. (B) There is no evidence to show that this particular temple was built or dedicated to the worship of Yahweh.
(c) Since temples are built for and dedicated to the worship of a particular deity, one can draw any one of two conclusions from this discovery:

1. That the ancient Israelites did indeed, as I have argued severally, practice polytheism.
or,
2. [s]The ancient Israelites never resided in that geographical area and never had a kingdom as we have been led to believe. Indeed, there have been no remnants of any great Hebrew kingdom ever discovered.[/s]

1Ki 11:6 And Solomon did evil in the sight of the LORD, and went not fully after the LORD, as did David his father.
1Ki 11:7 Then did Solomon build an high place for Chemosh, the abomination of Moab, in the hill that is before Jerusalem, and for Molech, the abomination of the children of Ammon.
1Ki 11:8 And likewise did he for all his strange wives, which burnt incense and sacrificed unto their gods.
1Ki 11:9 And the LORD was angry with Solomon, because his heart was turned from the LORD God of Israel, which had appeared unto him twice,
1Ki 11:10 And had commanded him concerning this thing, that he should not go after other gods: but he kept not that which the LORD commanded.


So whats your point exactly again you shameless liar. What have they discovered that is not already in the bible?

Boomark: toba!

I guess toba has some explanations to do

manmustwac: I asked you a question in a previous post. How didyou know that I used to live in Old Ojo Road. Who are you?Send me a PM

Goshen360: Okay. Let me spill it out in the open air. I went to Agboju Secondary School. I lived and grew up at 7, Idowu street, by Moshalashi B/Stop. I attended Renaissance Pentecostal Church then.....Make I open fowl yansh still ......

ATMC: I'm just thinking what some peep would have been saying had it been d winning story was d other way, maybe by now they would have asked where is d lord god of goshen? Funny, but wisdom is profitable in all things and thanks be to d almighty who had made unto us christ as wisdom...goshen is wise, saw more of u nigh victory...proved action is louder than voice!

And if this was a forum with more Atheist than Christians and Logicboy wins on account of 'sentimental' vote from his camp, it'll be because the God of Goshen disappeared when he needs him most? This is the type of flawed reasoning that drive some 'prosperity' Christians into confusion when they experience temporary setback.

My christian bruvs, some of you guys had to 'sacrifice' Anony like Ribadu for the "greater good" shebi? ...smh

Mr Anony::: congrat my scholarly bruv, you made it a finalist. You did not only win my vote as a tireless defender of the faith but also on account of your humility and palpable love. In a public forum where one should not shy away from engaging people with varied beliefs, you defended the Truth with brilliance and christ-like virtues worth emulating.

Goshen360::: Feeder of the flock. Congrat my big bruv.

Delafruita: personally,i think "poster of the year" shouldnt be based on frequency of posts rather it should be on the information been passed by those posts.[color=#a3ae99]buzugee and i are on 2 different sides but i learn a lot from him.his threads and posts are sometimes crazy,but he pushes others into further research and thats precisely what this board should be about...learning. he reincarnated to obadiah777 and left his CAPS key permanmnently active but that didnt reduce the intelligence in his posts.

davidylan could be aggressive but you cant engage him in argument if you arent intelligent.he came down with the flu and was on the downlow for a while but afterwards he came back stronger and with more profanity.

unfortunately both this guys arent on the ballot so.........

logicboy01-03,macdaddy01 definitely drives traffic on this board.[/color]

[color=#646d5b]Mr_Anony...Mr_Anony...Mr_Anony...[/color][color=#a3ae99]definitely gets my vote.his arguments are educative and his composition is a joy to read.makes me wish i has better english tutelage.

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+100

Mr_Anony

Mr_Anony
Deep_Sight (you deserve to be shot for screwing up the "recorded" phone debate between you and Anony though )

Chanchit: If he can pay the current keyboardist, then he should pay the guy off, it means he wants to be paid for his services.

The morale of my submission is to verify your story before jumping into conclusion for your own good.

-note- i deleted my post because i realize its a waste of time - NL is now consistently anti-christian.

doctokwus: Don't mind dat SCOQ3 of a fool.One of d fake man of god advocates.Cleaners paid N50-N150k per mth by pastor chris.Can't hep laffing,dey wud b lucky 2 b paid up to N10k.
@topic,how can somebody volunteer to work for u for 14yrs& u feel no sense of shame to say it.D reasonin of some pple in dis country is best suited for d stone age periods.Bunch of scamming men using d name of God to dupe and use vulnerable,shallow minded pple

Firstly, u're the idi.ot who does not apply due diligence to verify a story before jumping into the bandwagon with your two legs - mobster mentality.
I defended a pastor based on the fact i know does not make me a "pastor worshiper".

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R2bees: hahaha, no wonder i love rock musik

So there're more Nigerians with love for rock music!....u just made me 'cry' for joy!