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Mr anony: That's not even the issue. The problem with people who clamour for a monadic God is that they fail to see that once you do that, God can no longer be omniscient because it will mean that at the time before God created, God did not have any relationship with any person therefore whatever relationship God now has with other persons, He would have to learn it.

Mr anony: NICE! POWERFUL QUESTION. I was going to ask DeepSight this question at some point but the conversation did not come around to it. A monadic God simply cannot be a God of Love.

Deep Sight: He claims to be the first and last, obviously within creation - In fact, the the very terms "first and last" connote something that is finite, so that hammers you. God is infinite, uncreated, timeless and eternal, and would this neither be first nor last.

[color=#a9b2a1]Even the quran ascribes these to Jesus (Isa) and yet says that he certainly is not God!

This would tie up with the whole idea of Jesus being the monogenes - "only begotten" - of God, and as such, the firstborn of creation. That is the greek word used to describe Jesus in the NT - "monogenes".

This is exactly the true and correct answer to your "first and last, alpha and omega" business. God could not be any of these because he is eternal; this only clearly shows that Jesus is a creation and exists within creation.

And no, I play no trick on you, can you tell me how else Mk 10.18 is to be read? The man was very clear - "Why callest thou me good, only Gd is Good." How n earth do you want to force a strange meaning into this clear rebuke?

And he said same several times, just to show that your forced reading is wrong. He said the Father is greater than I. He said he has a God and Father. He said that Gd is his God and Father in the same way as God is ours. He prayed to God. He despaired about the decision of God both in Gethsemane and on the Cross. The thing is glaring, and on this issue, you can only resort to continuously side-stepping the simple questions, just as you have side-stepped the issue of the dichotomy of wills by making a non-existent distinction between a "person" and a "being".

I won't press you on this though, cos I know you are as locked-in and dogmatic against the obvious on this matter, as the atheists are on the existence of God.

Yes indeed, I blackmail you not sir: you do in fact by your words proclaim Jesus to be a sophisticated and dubious liar. [/color]

Deep Sight: I REJECT AND ABANDON YOUR REQUEST THAT NON BIBLE BELIEVERS SHOULD NOT COMMENT!

Now -

Jesus says -

https://www.nairaland.com/344297/dr-david-sheds-some-light#4817959

foundnewfreedom: i am a 38year old man from ilorin newly converted to atheism from islam. i think the problem with people generally is that they dont know the history of the religions the follow. i onverted two weeks ago after i read some disturbing stuff about islam specifically the beheding of the jews at banu quraiza, i aske myself a pertinent question which is what kind of a "God" would ask his prophet to massacre a people?. many people dont even know the history of the bible and the quran, i for one thought he quran was given to mohammed in a book form directly by God i only found out last week that it was compiled by mohammed's followers many years after his death.

foundnewfreedom: Questions for the so called belivers to answer
1.why did it take God hundreds of years to introduce religion to the world after creation? couldnt he have just created us and given us religion immediately?
2.Why did God need men on with swords to enforce his religion (i.e crusaders and mujahideens) couldnt he have just blessed our hearts with religion.
3why does god keep creating unbelievers if he didnt like them. e.g why keep creating jews if he doesnt like them.
4.Why cant God just come out and proclaim which among the thousands of the religions on earth is his and save everybody the wahala.

onyfrank: .
It won't make sense to u because it wasn't typed 4u. D person it was meant 4 knows d sense in it. I jst folowed based on d person wrote.

Logicboy03: Christianity is only growing in backwards countries. It is not Growing in Europe, Japan, Canada, Australia and USA- all of which are finding higher levels of atheism/irreligion.


You accuse atheists of immorality. Look at the numerous lies on your op? Without an atheist would you even have this site to be commenting on?

Have you even wondered why upon all the religion in Nigeria, Nigeria is backwards? Sweden and Denmark with high levels of atheism have better living stanards and are advancing

Dr. Martin urged that a great cause of suicide was atheism. It was, he said, a remarkable fact that where atheism prevailed most, there suicides were most numerous. In Paris, a recent census showed one suicide to every 2,700 of the population. After the publication of Paine's "Age of Reason" suicides increased.

Religiously unaffiliated subjects had significantly more lifetime suicide attempts and more first-degree relatives who committed suicide than subjects who endorsed a religious affiliation. Unaffiliated subjects were younger, less often married, less often had children, and had less contact with family members. Furthermore, subjects with no religious affiliation perceived fewer reasons for living, particularly fewer moral objections to suicide. In terms of clinical characteristics, religiously unaffiliated subjects had more lifetime impulsivity, aggression, and past substance use disorder. No differences in the level of subjective and objective depression, hopelessness, or stressful life events were found.
- The American Journal of Psychiatry 2004

Pitzer College sociologist Phil Zuckerman compiled country-by-country survey, polling and census numbers relating to atheism, agnosticism, disbelief in God and people who state they are non-religious or have no religious preference. These data were published in the chapter titled "Atheism: Contemporary Rates and Patterns" in The Cambridge Companion to Atheism, ed. by Michael Martin, Cambridge University Press: Cambridge, UK (2005). In examining various indicators of societal health, Zuckerman concludes about suicide:
"Concerning suicide rates, this is the one indicator of societal health in which religious nations fare much better than secular nations. According to the 2003 World Health Organization's report on international male suicides rates (which compared 100 countries), of the top ten nations with the highest male suicide rates, all but one (Sri Lanka) are strongly irreligious nations with high levels of atheism. It is interesting to note, however, that of the top remaining nine nations leading the world in male suicide rates, all are former Soviet/Communist nations, such as Belarus, Ukraine, and Latvia. Of the bottom ten nations with the lowest male suicide rates, all are highly religious nations with statistically insignificant levels of organic atheism."

musKeeto: lol.... I totally agree. See what that's done to our national psyche...

tobechi20: we theist are responsible.if christians can exhibit a christ-like life, there would be nothing like atheism.

Logicboy03: https://www.nairaland.com/1200970/why-religion-section-always-turn

musKeeto: Lol, another Anony 'Atheist Creed' thread...

lol.. lol.. lol....

These guys are getting pretty desperate..

WARNING TO CHRISTIANS: Read Logicboy's thread on why lots of people are losing their faith/shifting to agnosticism as a result of arguments on NL's relgiion section.
I say this to you with the love of 'GOD' in my heart: please open threads Christ would be proud of...

Logicboy03: Lmao!!


Bookmarking this thread.



@ OP;


[size=18pt]The number one reason for atheism is illogical nature of religion/faith and illogical christians like you.

Please take time to find the meaning of "self-righteous hypocrite"[/size]

Atheists have ramped up their efforts to gain greater respect and prominence in American society. While there are some non-believing organizations and groups that seek to have respectful debates with religious peoples, there are others that simply seek to poke fun at and incite the faith community.

Take for instance the Atheist Agenda, a student group at the University of Texas at San Antonio. The group setup a table on campus and promised to offer an exchange to anyone interested: Hand in a Bible or religious text and receive a pornographic magazine. They dubbed the event “Smut for Smut,” in an apparent effort to frame the Bible as a book with comparable connotations to pornography....[url="http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2012/04/03/atheist-students-encourage-christians-to-exchange-their-bibles-for-pornography/"]source[/url]

Mr_Anony2: While I appreciate your comment, I think you missed the point of the OP

Bélla3: Can you imagine?
What wont i hear?
@op, you are right in most, but missed the most important.

vedaxcool: Lol interesting article you wrote, but you should be grateful you weren't banned or insulted, usually that is their next resort: www.nairaland.com/1072447/could-atheism-considered-gay-religion

ifeness: We all know Christianity is going down like every other dubious organizations,but certainly going down with a fight. I hope this thread will give Yahweh and his blind followers the final blow! Like the bible said,"IT IS FINISHED"!


The numbers of Gay churches are on the increase, the Pope's had enough of the hypocrisy,Churches are becoming a PLC. why? Because the religion is based on lies.

Kay 17: @OP

LOOOL!!

And you'd be complaining people are attacking Christianity, yet you look for trouble. I think you are seeking for some external validation for Christianity.

As to moral depravity, Christians and Christian State and super states (churches) are morally corrupt.

There is a a lack of Conscience and Compassion in nigeria and the number of churches and crusades/deliverances haven't made things better.

Your relentless hagging over God and persecution against nonbelievers trigger a hatred against the concept of God and his followers

If life isn't about happiness, when what's it for?? If service to God doesn't award ppl with happiness, would you still serve God?? Or can you serve God in sadness??

Faith.

inurmind: Care to tell us how?

Enigma: +1

Got it in one!

That point is also made in this post on that other thread where the evangelical atheists did not realise in time that they were shooting themselves in the foot with the thread and their 'arguments' on it. https://www.nairaland.com/1210342/christians-agree/2#14553405