olamkas:

Tell me where Jesus taught trinity to the disciples just as you have explained it if not what was fabricated in the later day. You said the three are equal but Jesus said 'No'. In his words "My father is greater than I". Can something be greater and at the same time equal to the other? Reasoning.
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Janosky:

Psalm 82:1,6, what's the Hebrew meaning of EL'?
Stop deceiving yourself

I can stop laughing at your response.
God called men gods did you know why
God gave man dominion and authority over the earth that means at creation men are the gods of earth but after the fall, man transferred it to Satan. Now Satan is the god of the earth. 2Cor 4:4

uboma:



The Bible here refers to Jesus Christ as the Mighty God....


Note that the Bible does not describe him as the Almighty God.


Do you now see the difference?

Can't you see Everlasting Father.

uboma:
The Trinity is not a biblical teaching.

Read Isaiah 9 :6

Desecration of scriptures is not encouraging, neither threating and insulting her is solution to her action.
Killing because of desecration of scriptures is more evil because using scriptures to smoke do not take away faith from your heart.

So all these reactions are unnecessary and stupidity because there are so many urgent actions than need reactions than this stupid behaviour.

olamkas:

If Jesus ran errand for being a servant, then he must have been serving the only true God, hence he is never the God. You talked of incarnation, where did Jesus himself mentioned it? If incarnation means as you described it, how then did God still existed in His form and place when Jesus was on earth, because Jesus prayed to him in many instances.

The islamic conception about God is different from Judeo-Christian worldview. In Islam, God is monad and impersonal but in Christianity, God is triune and personal. God is one being but three in persons- father, son and spirit, they are equal but different in persons. incarnation of Jesus was prophesied about Isaiah 9:6
His name is not Jesus before incarnation, He is the word of God- John 1:1-2
And God created everything through His word.

Jesus talked about his incarnation in John 8:56-59
KJV:Your father Abraham rejoiced to see my day: and he saw it, and was glad.
57
KJV:Then said the Jews unto him, Thou art not yet fifty years old, and hast thou seen Abraham?
58
KJV:Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I am.
59
KJV:Then took they up stones to cast at him: but Jesus hid himself, and went out of the temple, going through the midst of them, and so passed
God is omnipresence not fixed to heaven, He is the only Being that is not limited to time and space.

See what David spoke about Jesus in Psalms 110:1
KJV:The Lord said unto my Lord, Sit thou at my right hand, until I make thine enemies thy footstool.

Jesus seated at right hand of God when he ascended into heaven.

Finally when Jesus always referred to himself as "son of man" in the bible, he was referring to the prophecy in Daniel 7:13-14
KJV:I saw in the night visions, and, behold, one like the Son of man came with the clouds of heaven, and came to the Ancient of days, and they brought him near before him.
14
KJV:And there was given him dominion, and glory, and a kingdom, that all people, nations, and languages, should serve him: his dominion is an everlasting dominion, which shall not pass away, and his kingdom that which shall not be destroyed.

So if these are all what ancient prophets talked about Jesus, who is you and I to believed in someone whose rose 600 years after Jesus to disprove historical and spiritual truth.

olamkas:

Who then was the prophet prophesied in Deuteronomy? A prophet like Moses.
Where in the the Bible were the people who called Jesus prophet referred to as ignorant.
If the people who called Jesus prophet are ignorant, what then will you say of those who called him servant of God in the book of act e.t.c?

Servant is a person who is running errand or get assignment from someone. It is different from slave. Slave is coerced to do what he/she does not what while servant has a freewill to obey or not. And servant has reward for his/her labour while slave does not.

Read how Jesus become servant in other to fulfill his earthly mission. Before that who is Jesus and why did he come to earth?

John 1:1-2
KJV:In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
2
KJV:The same was in the beginning with God.

Jesus is God ( Word of God). God incarnate to save men from our sins. God took human flesh and become man. That is servantship and humility .
Phil 2: 7-11

KJV:Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God:
7
KJV:But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men:
8
KJV:And being found in fashion as a man, he humbled himself, and became obedient unto death, even the death of the cross.
9
KJV:Wherefore God also hath highly exalted him, and given him a name which is above every name:
10
KJV:That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth;
11
KJV:And that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.

[quote author=olamkas post=84365179]
Who then was the prophet prophesied in Deuteronomy? A prophet like Moses.
Where in the the Bible were the people who called Jesus prophet referred to as ignorant.
If the people who called Jesus prophet are ignorant, what then will you say of those who called him servant of God in the book of act e.t.c? [/quo.

1. Jesus worked in five fold ministries ( apostle, prophet, evangelist, teacher and pastor) He transferred these offices to the Church. Eph 4:11

KJV:And he gave some, apostles; and some, prophets; and some, evangelists; and some, pastors and teachers;

2. Majority of them couldn't be able to discern who Jesus actually is? Even the disciples it is only Peter that know who Jesus is
Matthew 16:13-20
KJV:When Jesus came into the coasts of Caesarea Philippi, he asked his disciples, saying, Whom do men say that I the Son of man am?
14
KJV:And they said, Some say that thou art John the Baptist: some, Elias; and others, Jeremias, or one of the prophets.
15
KJV:He saith unto them, But whom say ye that I am?
16
KJV:And Simon Peter answered and said, Thou art the Christ, the Son of the living God.
17
KJV:And Jesus answered and said unto him, Blessed art thou, Simon Barjona: for flesh and blood hath not revealed it unto thee, but my Father which is in heaven.
18
KJV:And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.
19
KJV:And I will give unto thee the keys of the kingdom of heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt bind on earth shall be bound in heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven.
20
KJV:Then charged he his disciples that they should tell no man that he was Jesus the Christ.

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I don't do personal chats on this kind of matters. Jesus did not condemn them from stoning her but he frowned at them being a sinner too like her.
Jesus healing on a sabath day is part of the laws he changed from the OT.
And the Claim that Jesus called himself equal with God or Lord or being able to forgive sins are nothing but false claims. The contexts of those verses are clear.

New Living Translation Mat 5:17
“Don’t misunderstand why I have come. I did not come to abolish the law of Moses or the writings of the prophets. No, I came to accomplish their purpose.[/quote

The major problem with your interpretation of bible verses is that you are using Islamic lens to read the bible. Bible is against Islamic beliefs you are just misquoting and twisting it to your worldview.
John1:1
KJV:In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

My guy, bible is not meant to support or complement your belief but your faith is opposite of what bible stand for.

Let me educate you about Mat 5:7
You must first understand what Jesus meant by fulfilling the law. That means law itself is not absolute so Christ has to come and complete what law could not do. Under law we cannot be perfect but in Christ we have righteousness.
God specifically gave 600 custom laws to Jews to differentiate them from heathen nations in the old testament. As for the prophets, there are prophecies left by these prophets which could be fulfilled only by Jesus. Isaiah 9:6-9, Isaiah 53:1-end.

If Islam give right to women indeed then wives should beat their disobedient husbands?
Why is it only women meant to cover themselves fully what happened to men?
Why is it population of women are higher than men in hell?

All these questions need to be properly addressed before we could believed any right exist for women.

Thank u op.

Seetto:
Where in bible is bible written..

Bible is a Greek word which means books. Scripture is another term for both. If you say bible it means God's books which contains His words.

Will caning solve the problem?
High levels of ignorance.

najib632:
You have'nt said anything to prove or atleast give a hint to what you're claiming. The gosple of Barnabas was found by the Turkish customs officials in the hands of smugglers and then it was confiscated from them. It was handed over to the Turkish national Museum and it was carbon dated and found out to be 2000 years old. It was written with gold and it was in Aramaic, the language of Jesus A.S. This is enough to prove its originality and I watched this on Aljazeera so I have an excellent proof. The gosple of saint Thomas on the other hand was found in egypt by archeologists. It was carbon dated and found out to be 800 years old. It contained stories the Christians have forgotten about Jesus A.S. But these stories were contained in the Qur'an, thus this proves its originality and correctness. The dead see scrolls are being hidden from the public, if there was truthfulness in their affairs, the Britons wouldn't hid them. You better don't lie to yourself, I'd rather follow Barnabas and Thomas (may peace be upon them) than Paul. Barnabas' surname was also written in his gospel but I can't recall it and I just ran out of data, you can look it up yourself.

Very funny person!
Fake books that were written in 16th and 17th centuries. Check Wikipedia to confirm what I am saying. The most awesome evidences for life of Christ is from his disciples, Jewish community and honest historians. For one prophet to come after 600 years to deny historical reality with just a myth sound foolish.
My guys evidences are too much that Jesus was crucified, died and resurrected.

According to hadith, Uthman the third caliph burn many varieties of Quran during Islamic empire.
The question how are you sure that Quran you are holding is the real one?

Jesus never claimed to be prophet and God didn't call him one in the Bible. It was due to people's ignorance in the bible. Read John 8 to know who Jesus Christ is?

najib632:
How would'nt they be historically incorrect when the Romans have'nt adultrated them. You should apply wisdom in doing things, these books you are calling adultrated were used by christians centuries ago. Have'nt you heard of monotheist christians such as Salman the persian (max Allah be pleased with him) and Waraqa bin Nawfal? What about the dead sea scrolls? Guy read for yourself, don't just jump into conclusions.

Go read the history of those scrolls. They are written in late centuries not first century gospels like Mark, John, Matthew and Luke. Those gospels are not written by early Christians and the disciples that witness the life of Jesus Christ. How would you turn away from evidence provided by real witnesses to gnostic writers who are not even Christians? My guy argue with facts not fiction. Don't let prejudice block your reasoning .

In the light of the bible he only qualified to be false prophet because he fit in that position. He is a prophet but fake one.

He can be a prophet but in the light of the bible he is only qualified to be false prophet because he have those qualities of false prophet as revealed in the Bible.

He can be a prophet but in the light of the bible he is only qualified to be false prophet because he have those qualities of false prophet as reveal in the Bible.

To start with there is no perfect interpretation. Anybody can interpret any text based on person' belief or opinion. That is why Islamic terrorists will said that peaceful Muslims are not real Muslims while peaceful Muslims we called them non muslims. Quran is open to many interpretations that is why there are many sects in Islam.
Thank you.

najib632:
the gosple of Barnabas one of the desciples (peace be upon them) wrote something different from paul. I'd rather believe Barnabas than paul. Read the gospel of Barnabas and the gospel of saint Thomas.

All that gospels have been prove to be historical incorrect and have been declared herecy. Get the fact correctly Paul did not have any gospel other that what Jesus Christ and disciples preach. Please don't make stupid claim prove Paul gospel in the Bible with sound references.

There is no peace for the living ones you are begging for peace for the dead people.

I have always said Muslims and Quran had failed for centuries to prove that Jesus Christ was not crucified. This event has results into diverse theology theories among Muslims.
There is no enough evidence to prove that Jesus Christ did not die on the cross . It was just a claim which has not been prove.

Bible is not only historical text that proved Jesus crucifixion

Jewish historians proved it
Roman's historians proved it.
Greek historians proved it.
Indonesia historians proved it.
Truth be told, Quran has denied historical reality replacing it with unproven claim and, absurdity faith.
Thank you

Stephani3e:
I have been thinking for sometime now, since we we are God's children why would he send us to hell forever for sinning?
It doesn't make any sense to me, no parent would want their children to be burnt ( unless the parent is a psychopath).
Can't he just forgive us since he is a merciful God?
Sometimes some when I use logical reasoning, some parts of the Bible doesn't make sense to me, like the killings of some tribes ( massacre in the city of Jericho) in the old testament,
weren't those people also God's children since he created every living thing ,
why was he approving their killings and saving only the isrealites ?

The answer is very simple.

If God is merciful why can't God be Just.
Our God is not just merciful but also just. God has his own standards just as you have your own. If you comply with His standard there is reward if not there is also reward.

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So men of God should died in poverty. You better change your orientation about prosperity.

He is 100% right. One of the evil purpose is Boko Haram. God will defeat them.

Theological Difficulties in A Common Word Between
Us and You
Patrick De Leon
In October of 2007 a document entitled A Common
Word Between Us and You was issued as an open
letter to the leaders of the major Christian churches
and denominational associations. This document
was signed by 138 Muslim clerics, scholars and
intellectuals with the avowed purpose of declaring
"for the first time since the days of the Prophet …
the common ground between Christianity and
Islam." This document purports to find this
common ground in the two Great Commandments
of the Christian faith as enunciated by Jesus Christ.
These commandments declare the primacy of
loving God first and then loving our neighbors.
This open letter was answered by another open
letter, issued by religious academics associated
with the Yale [University] Center for Faith and
Culture. This second letter was entitled Loving God
and Neighbor Together: A Christian Response to "A
Common Word Between Us and You." It was signed
initially by over 300 Christian and church leaders, a
number of these from theologically conservative,
evangelical backgrounds.
Both documents seek to open dialogue between the
Christian and Muslim faith communities. Both have
what seems on the surface to be a laudable goal:
Peace and harmony between the worlds of
Christendom and Islam. And both documents assert
that dialogue and harmony can occur by seeking to
find and then build on our "common ground." As
noted previous, it is suggested that this common
ground is to be found in the two Great
Commandments. Verses from the Bible and the
Qur’an are frequently quoted in both documents to
verify the commonality of these commandments to
both faiths.
However, there is cardinal doctrine found in the first
document that is extremely important, yet very
subtly presented—and for this reason perhaps
overlooked. This doctrine is actually best expressed
in the words of Jesus Himself, as He is quoted in
the documents. Using the form of the two Great
Commandments as found in Mark’s Gospel, we
hear Jesus say:
"‘Hear, O Israel, the Lord our God, the Lord
is One. And you shall love the Lord your God
with all your heart, with all your soul, and
with all your mind, and with all your strength.’
This is the first commandment. And the
second, like it, is this: ‘You shall love your
neighbor as yourself.’ There is no other
commandment greater than these." (Mark
12:29-31)
Note the opening words to the Great
Commandments: "Hear, O Israel, the Lord our God,
the Lord is One." This introductory statement,
known as the Shema in Judaism, sets the
foundation and basis for the two commandments
that follow. The commands to love God and our
neighbor are both rooted in the doctrine of the unity
of God, thus in the Person and nature of God
Himself. This doctrine is very significant, and must
not be overlooked.
Indeed, the Muslim document affirms the
importance of this fact repeatedly. Notice the
following quotes:
"The basis for peace and understanding
already exists. It is part of the very
foundational principles of both faiths: love of
the One God , and the love of the neighbor…
The Unity of God , the necessity of love for
Him, and the necessity of love of the
neighbor is thus common ground between
Islam and Christianity." [ Italics added .]
"Clearly, the blessed words: we shall ascribe
no partner unto Him relate to the Unity of
God. Clearly also, worshipping none but
God , relates to being totally devoted to God
and hence to the First and Greatest
Commandments ." [ Italics in original .]
This point is explicitly declared in the third section
of the original document entitled "Come To A
Common Word Between Us and You":
"What prefaces the Two Commandments in
the Torah and the New Testament, and what
they arise out of, is the Unity of God —that
there is only one God… Thus the Unity of
God, the love of Him, and the love of the
neighbor form a common ground upon
which Islam and Christianity (and Judaism)
are founded." [ Italics added .]
Thus, it is evident that our ability to love God and
our neighbor is grounded in our understanding of
and devotion to the one true God. The acceptance
and understanding of the concept of the Unity of
God is fundamental to the two Great
Commandments. Consequently, it is by accepting
the oneness of God that we have a basis for our
"common word" of agreement. Without the unity of
God, there is no foundation for the two Great
Commandments. And without these
commandments, there is no common word of
agreement.
This seems pretty simple, and rather obvious.
However, there is a genuine difficulty here. What is
meant by the phrase "the Unity of God"? This
phrase is repeatedly used in the Muslim document
and is essential for the entire premise of the
document. Yet the phrase is somewhat ambiguous
in meaning.
The underlying assumption for both documents is
obvious, i.e., that both Muslims and Christians
believe in one God. Both are monotheistic religions.
Both have common traditions and common roots.
As is stated in the Introduction to the first
document: "Thus, despite their differences, Islam
and Christianity not only share the same Divine
Origin and the same Abrahamic heritage, but the
same two greatest commandments ." As a result, it
is assumed that both Christians and Muslims not
only believe in one God , but they worship, serve and
believe in the same God . Although the outward
observance of each religion is very different, at the
heart they are essentially the same, or at least
equivalent.
Such teaching is extremely popular right now. It is
commonly accepted in many religious circles, even
Christian, even among some evangelicals. However,
it is not a Biblical concept, nor is it consistent with
the orthodox, historic faith of the Christian church.
In a word, it is heresy. Let us explore why we are
asserting this.
The Unity of God
In A Common Word Between Us and You the phrase
"the Unity of God" occurs repeatedly. At first glance,
this seems pretty straightforward and
understandable. Both Muslims and Christians
worship one God. But do Christians and Muslims
mean the same thing when they speak of the unity
of God? In a word: No.
When Muslims posit that God is one, they mean
this in an absolute sense. God is a solitary being.
Allah/God is one totally, completely, and without
qualification. There is, and can only be, one person
in the deity. He exists alone, supremely and
singularly divine.
When a Christian asserts that God is one, they
mean that there is no God other than the Lord God,
Yahweh, i.e., the Deity revealed in history and the
Holy Scriptures. To understand the exact nature of
this one Deity we must explore the Biblical
revelation of the unity of God. In the Scriptures we
see clearly that there is only God, yet He is revealed
as eternally existing as three divine Persons:
Father, Son and Holy Spirit. The unity of God is
genuine and true, but is not absolute. [1] God is not
a solitary Being. Rather, the one God exists in a
divine fellowship of three Persons, each distinctly
God, each co-equal and co-substantial, each wholly
divine; and yet there are not three gods, there is
only one God, the Lord Almighty.
Consequently, it is evident that the phrase "the Unity
of God" has very different meanings for each faith.
And the two positions are not reconcilable. To
worship and serve the true God of Scripture is to
acknowledge the Holy Triune Being revealed there.
To reject the Triune God is to reject God Himself,
the revelation of His true nature. You cannot serve
Yahweh and Allah. The two concepts of deity are by
definition mutually exclusive. And to reject to true
doctrine of God, is to reject God Himself, with the
result being exclusion from salvation, eternal life,
and forgiveness of sin. This may sound harsh to
modern ears—basically because we have so
compromised the clear teachings of the Bible—but
it is the truth. [2]
The Biblical concept of God as a divine fellowship
of Persons has interesting consequences. For one
thing, it makes the assertion that "God is love"
more understandable. This verse from 1 John 4:7 is
used in A Common Word Between Us and You to
bolster the argument for a common ground of
understanding between Christianity and Islam. The
document also quotes a number of Qur’anic verses
in an attempt to find an equivalent concept for
Allah. However, the best they can come up with are
statements to the effect that Allah loves those who
are obedient and act righteously. The second
document, from the religious leaders at Yale,
observes that in Muslim tradition God/Allah is
called the "Infinitely Good and All-Merciful." But that
is about as close as they come to anything
remotely resembling "God is love." Indeed, there is
no Qur’anic citation for asserting God is love. Why?
The answer is rather simple. How can an absolutely
solitary being be denominated "love"? Love implies
relationship, interaction between beings. We would
do well here to consider the words of C. S. Lewis:
"All sorts of people are fond of repeating the
Christian statement that ‘God is love.’ But
they seem not to notice that the words ‘God
is love’ have no real meaning unless God
contains at least two Persons. Love is
something that one person has for another
person. If God was a single person, then
before the world was made, he was not
love." [3]
The very idea of God existing as "love," being a
loving Being is grounded, in His Three-Personal
Divine nature. It is meaningless to speak of love as
being an essential quality of God’s nature if it only
came into existence after He created other beings
to love.
Other consequences of the Islamic view of God
involve the social and political sphere. Consider the
words of Robert Letham regarding the Islamic view
of God’s unity:
"From its doctrine of Allah, consequences
have flowed in the history of Islam. A
unitary, monadic god produced a unitary
community of his followers, the ummah. The
followers of the Prophet are a single
community…. The one nation of Islam is a
unitary entity. This may help to explain why
from time to time, there have been attempts
to unite existing political entities…. In turn,
the monolith requires dhimmitude, a form of
tolerance for, but servitude of, the People of
the Book (Jews and Christians). It also calls
for an extermination of outright infidels. As a
corollary, political systems in Islamic
countries do not recognize diversity.
Uniformly they are authoritarian
dictatorships…." [4]
For those considering our "common agreement" it
would be prudent to consider these thoughts.
Theology and belief systems are not the only things
at issue, so are societal norms, democratic ideals
and human rights. All these matters are affected by
one’s view of the "unity of God."
From the foregoing, it becomes evident that our
view of God and the Muslim view of God are very
different. Does this mean that we cannot have good
relations with Muslims? Of course not. Does it
mean that we hate Muslims? Certainly not! We, as
followers of our Lord and Savior, are enjoined to
love all men, even our enemies. Yet our love for
Muslims cannot and must not involve
compromising our faith. To even hint that Christians
and Muslims worship the same deity is nothing
less than heresy.
The Place of Jesus
It is self-evident that Christianity is primarily
concerned with Christ. Jesus is the focal point of
our faith. To deny Him in any way is to reject what
it means to be a Christian. Therefore, in
approaching others of a different faith, we must
consider what they believe about Jesus. So, who is
Jesus in Islam? To the Muslim He is not God, and
cannot be. God is a solitary being, absolutely one.
There is no Trinity. There is no Son of God. Indeed,
Muslims consider Christians polytheists, believing
we worship three gods.
This issue is not explicitly dealt with in A Common
Word Between Us and You. However, it is dealt with
implicitly, and rather obliquely. One of the
foundational verses from the Qur’an used in this
document is Aal ‘Imran 3:64 , which reads as
follows:
"Say: O People of the Scripture! Come to a
common word between us and you: that we
shall worship none but God, and that we shall
ascribe no partner unto Him, and that none
of us shall take others for lords beside God.
And if they turn away, then say: Bear witness
that we are they who have surrendered (unto
Him)."
This verse from the Qur’an is quoted repeatedly
throughout the document. In fact the title of the
document itself is taken from this verse. That this
particular verse is used is disturbing for several
reasons. The first is the context. If you read the
verses that follow you will find a blatant
condemnation of both Christianity and Judaism, and
an encouragement for the "People of the Book" to
convert to Islam. That Islam is presented as the
only true monotheistic religion is evident from the
text. Indeed, it is even evident in verse 64 itself.
After all, it is the followers of Islam who are truly
" muslim ," that is the ones surrendered to Allah.
However, there is something even more insidious in
the use of this particular verse. Note what the
common word is to be, " we shall worship none but
God, and that we shall ascribe no partner unto
Him …." The common point of agreement between
Muslims and Christians is to be the absolute unity
of God/Allah, and the utter of rejection of God
having any "partner" or "associate." This latter
phrase is obviously meant to counter the Christian
position that Jesus is of a divine status equal to
the Father. The historic faith of Christianity clearly
asserts that Jesus is of the same substance as the
Father, co-equal and co-eternal in His deity, of
identical nature as the Father, the same in glory,
power, majesty and divine being. Islam rejects this,
positing that Jesus is only a man. To declare Jesus
to be divine, in the Muslim view, would be to
ascribe to a mere human a position as an equal
"partner" or "associate" with God. With this in mind,
it is interesting to note that this phrase "ascribe no
partner unto Him" is used at least five times in the
document.
Another phrase is just as interesting. The document
quotes Al-An’am 6:164 where the Qur’an, in
speaking of Allah, unequivocally states " He hath no
associate ." In endnote "iii" the authors of the
document are able to only cite one reference from
the Qur’an for this exact phrase— Al-An’am 6:164.
Yet, even though this phrase is only found once in
the Qur’an, it is used no less than ten times in the
document. Why would this phrase be so
prominent? The intent seems clear. From a Muslim
perspective, agreement can be reached only when
Christians ignore the fact that the Apostles, the
Church Fathers, the entire church throughout history,
and even Jesus Himself all were unqualified and
adamant in their certainty as to the full Deity of the
Lord Jesus Christ.
(Of course, there are other verses that use different
wording and various phrases to assert that Jesus is
not God, and there is no Trinity. The point here is
why would the authors of the document seem to
insist on this exact phrase, and use it repeatedly?)
Conclusion
At first glance the document "A Common Word"
seems like a godsend. Here are Muslims clerics
and scholars reaching out to the Christian
community, offering a hand of peace. But we must
ask—at what price? The entire offer is based on the
premise that we have a common basis on which to
work, i.e., the two Great Commandments of Jesus.
However, as we have noted previously, these
commandments are grounded in the concept of the
unity of God. And this concept has totally different
meanings for the Christian and the Muslim. And
there’s the rub.
In discussing this matter with other Christians, this
writer was told to note that those who signed the
second document from the Yale Center for Faith
and Culture were not necessarily signing off in
agreement to everything in the original Muslim
document. However, our concerns over this matter
are not abated by this argument. The second
document affirms our basic thesis. Muslims and
Christians are presented as being in agreement on
the injunction to love God and to love our neighbor.
But which God? "Who is God?" must be the
question that is answered before anything else. This
is fundamental. Without a common understanding
of this theological matter, there is no common
ground.
Does this mean that we must be at odds with one
another? No, indeed not. The Christian is
commanded to love all men, even our enemy. As
Christians we can come to any negotiating table
and offer terms of peace. We are children of the
Prince of Peace, and we are enjoined to be
peacemakers. [5] But this posture on our part does
not go hand in hand with denying the true nature of
our God and Father. If we are to love our neighbors
as ourselves, must we not be true to ourselves?
Must we reject our own faith and deny the very
persons we are in order to live in harmony? Such a
peace is false from the beginning, and we would
question if it is even possible to last. Can a peace
founded upon falsehood be lasting?
One final word about living in peace with our
neighbor is required. The issue of falsehood is not
the only issue. There is also the issue of
intimidation. The so-called "moderate Muslim"
contingent of Islam posits that they are practicing
true Islam, and Islam is a religion of peace. Is this
really so? Do Muslims love their neighbors as
themselves? Is this part of the Islamic faith? If it is,
what about the issue of dhimmitude—where non-
Muslims are accorded a secondary, subservient
status? The traditional approach to the People of
the Book is to offer them one of three options:
conversion to Islam, death, or dhimmitude (which
includes a humiliating religious tariff). Further, is
there even one example of an Islamic state where
there is complete freedom of religion, where
Christians can worship without any hindrances or
restrictions? Actually the opposite is true. In
Muslim-dominated countries there is always a
certain risk for anyone who does not profess faith
in Muhammad as a true prophet. In this regard,
read the letter from Leith Anderson, the President of
the National Association of Evangelicals, as to why
he signed the letter from Yale. He plainly states that
other Christians told him that "not signing could be
damaging to these Christian brothers and sisters
who live among Muslims." [6] This sounds more
like intimidation and blackmail, rather than
"neighbors" of equal status loving one another and
coming to terms of agreement.
The conclusion of the matter is certain. This "peace
offer" comes at a high stake. These Muslim leaders
are willing for us to dialogue with them, to come to
a common word, with the following stipulations: 1)
We must acknowledge that we Christians are
worshipping the same God they are—that is, the
God/Allah of the Qur’an; 2) In order to come
together to love God and our neighbor it necessary
to posit the Unity of God—which means a denial of
the Triune nature of God; and 3) Our common
agreement is based on a Muslim understanding of
God’s nature as being a solitary being who "hath no
associate" or "partner," thus denying the true Deity
of Christ.

Religion simply means to bind up. So many religion beliefs do not just arise from human stand point only but back up with religious spirits. These religious spirits held their victims'minds against sound reasoning and as long as they still have power and authority one will be convince for doing right thing . God' Spirit do not create or enforce any religion but gave men dominion, resources and sound minds. These Spirits control and dominate their victim's mind. These spirits are Angelic being created by God but just as humans have their own free will to obey God so also angels. They are rebellious spirits against God's agenda for humanity. Humanity can only know truth from the Creator and the designer of the universe about their origin, morality, meaning of life and destiny not from man-made gods backed by these religious spirits who manufactured religions purposely to destroy humankind. They created these religions and set men apart from each other to fight themselves for the rest of the life.
The Creator of heaven and earth does not create any religion for humanity.
Religion is evil. Embrace the Spirit of true God to free you from these religious bondage.
God create man for glorification and dominion not for religion. The true way to worship God is not through religion but having true fellowship with God. In reality the true God wants worship in truth and fellowship with not religious services.

Choice is yours.

[quote author=OladimejiRufai post=82320906]If this is true.. .


Pathetic! You all succumbed to the tricks of the devil despite the warnings of The Prophet that he is your enemy so take him as an enemy.


Pathetic! You all succumbed to the temptation of women and didn't try to avoid it despite the Prophet's warnings that He will not leave a fitnah (trial,
temptation) that will be more harmful to men than women. And that the temptation of women is among the things that destroyed the nations that came before.


Pathetic! That this is where you are now for not heeding the warning of the Prophet.


Indeed, the teachings of The Prophet are almost on obscurity even amongst the Muslims today and we need a reminder and reformer.


But we rejoice upon knowing of the coming of the great Emperor Imes who is going to fill in that space and will reform the Ummah and the earth by help of his Lord, guide millions to the truth about life and help them achieve their purpose in life and will make the true Islam that is now almost in obscurity clear to the whole world.


The world will feel the glory of Islam soon. Imes will see to that by Allah's grace.

All these predictions you are expecting cannot come true. You better wake up and stop dreaming .

Fantasy.

Everything is time
Your own time will be up very soon.

Foolish quote from foolish woman.