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You mentioned just Musa, yet said talents was booming them. Who else can you mention during that period? At least we can mention Odey, Lokosa e.t.c of recent..... I am just trying to pick holes in your argument. What we have is a paradigm shift, people no longer have the patience to look inward now that we have a lot of dual citizen players that you do not have to stress much to unearth.

edi287:
You keep saying "big names" like these guys fall from heaven.
England had a golden generation during the early 2000s that wasn't utilized properly by the coaches they had. I mean all they had to do to solve the famous "Lampard - Gerrard" dilemma was to play a 4-3-3.
Germany after having a lull in talented players coming through simply invested in grassroots football and reaped the benefits.
England simply changed their way of coaching.
The argument is our best talents are in the academies and if you look at the transfers over the last few years - it proves that this is correct.
What you should be asking is why there isn't a reasonable link with these academies and our league teams??
Yes coaching and poor facilities is part of the problem but I repeat if we had a Mikel replacement lying in the NPFL right now - there is no way that we wouldn't have identified them.
When Ahmed Musa was discovered - did he not go straight to Holland?? Musa was wanted by Ajax but went to Venlo instead.
If we have budding talents everywhere - why aren't we seeing more moves like that of Musa and Taye Taiwo?

And do you know how many people have also lost their lives in your own so-called private hospitals?

A lot of people would rather go to LUTH or LASUTH than go to some private hospitals.

BTW, do you know that most of the doctors in private hospitals are from the public hospitals including some nurses and midwives?

laudate:
Oga, you forget that the renowned public hospitals are also renowned for a lot of shortcomings. And they also have a high failure rate.

A relative of mine had to undergo an operation in a 'renowned' public hospital 2 years ago, and it was highly stressful and difficult.

If a patient does not have family members to run around and arrange everything from drugs to surgical dressings to blood, such a patient might just end up being abandoned or his condition might worsen, despite the money you paid for admission and the surgical procedure.

I had to bring people from outside to donate blood, before the consultants agreed to even give a date for the surgery.

I had to arrange with someone to clean the communal toilet used by the patient, anytime he had to use it as the hospital cleaners were nowhere to be found on many occasions.

Please note that even if the so-called renowned public hospitals charge lower fees for CS, the wahala that comes with it, especially when it comes to providing care for the patient, is huge!

laudate:
No sir, not ignorance. That is the fee charged by quite a number of different private hospitals in Lagos.

You would not expect a hospital like Reddington in Victoria Island, to charge the same fee for CS as a federal medical centre in Yaba or Ajangbadi.

If a pregnant woman registers with a particular private hospital for ante natal, and their services are quite good, she might feel that it would be a risk to go to another hospital charging a lower fee for CS, since she would not be able to rate their services....

And tthere are hundreds of private hospitals that charge less than #200k and still deliver better services.

Then comes renowned public hospitals that charge between #50-#120k for the same CS and you still get value for money.

Except you're so rich and very rigid in movement, spending #500k on CS is ignorance in Nigeria.

Na ignorance go make person pay 500k for CS.

laudate:
Go to private hospitals in Lagos, and you will see bills of 500k for CS.

Some of them will surely be on their way back home after enjoying some jail time.

I can clearly see the confusion here. What I have read in the news before now was that the wife had bullets in her body. Now, this article is trying to say both him and his wife both have bullets in their bodies.

What I responded to had no comma. This was recently modified by whoever posted it. AS you can see, I was one of the earliest users to comment, so you should understand.

Too bad I didn't quote the original sentence before it was adjusted.

BanevsJoker:
Please, don't embarrass yourself any further. That statement means El-Zakzaky and his wife's bodies. The comma replaced the conjunction "and". Ignorance is a terrible thing.

Alot of you are missing something here.

During their time, did we have all these options abroad? did we have players with dual citizens ready to play for Nigeria? Did we have a lot of Nigerian players playing abroad then? We just had to make use of what we had then which were the guys here in Nigeria and had no other Nigerian player's POOL to compare them with. So it's easy to say they were TOP quality since we had few options to compare them with.

Most of the so-called good players all over the world then may likely not be able to make it in this era. People can disagree with me but this is the truth, the world is evolving, more technics, technologies, knowledge, innovations, etc...

There was a time being strong, energetic and rough with a lot of speed was what mattered in football, but now, technics and tactics beat the majority of the aforementioned. the competition now is HIGH and REAL!

Truidstar:
To compare odey and lokosa to Finidi and Amokachi is an INSULT. Finidi strolled from the sharks of port harcourt into Ajax first team without trials same as Amokachi into club brugge. Nigeria was dripping with quality back then. We don't have that now. Let's face the facts, our league is dead.

You obviously don't understand the English language you're trying to play smart with. Using apostrophe doesn't change a body (Speaking about a singular person) to bodies (Multiple persons).

Go back to school.

It's "El-Zakzaky's wife body".

BanevsJoker:
Your problem is English Language. Didn't you see the comma and apostrophe? "El-Zakzaky, wife's bodies".

Speak for yourself MR "WE"

KendrickAyomide:
We hate you because of irrational behavior of some soldiers. Behaving like animals. Na only "Go" una they hear.

Wife's bodies?

Bodies?

Is her body multiple?

tbaba1234:
The argument is about the NPFL. The lack of quality in the league.

It is not about quality in the general population.

It is the Nigerian national team so of course most players will come from Nigeria.

Handlers and coaches caused tthis. never ready to try new faces because their own job not safe either.

Then comes the administrators who are largely bereft of ideas. most are political jobbers.

Then comes the money part, people hardly retire from the NPFL because its like a life pension to them. Their ages remain same almost every season with the hope of moving abroad not to improve but to earn huge pay.

We have raw talents in the league but we wants to spend time nurturing when they can just scout from foreign leagues? makes the job easier for them.

Lastly, most runners of Academies operate solely to move their players abroad for financial gains and not because of the league (Since the league not even ready to absorb younger legs) .

tbaba1234:
In the past, you can argue 90% but that trend is changing rapidly. Our national team is dominated by under 17 players who never played in the league and players from the diaspora.

The quality produced by the league has dropped drastically. Can you compare the likes of Odey and Lokosa to Finidi George, who went straight to a champions league winning side or Amokachi. Look at our performances in Africa.

Coaching is one problem but i do not think scouting is properly done either. Academy players have achieved more success in recent years than NPFL players.

You still didnt prove me wrong. That all didn't come from the NPFL still didn't mean the U17s were not from Nigeria via various Academies located in this same Nigeria mounted by Local coaches and handlers.

If going abroad to play was not that easy, most of those in Academies would have ended up in the main league. So I still repeat that 90% are mostly from Nigeria.

The quality is always there and available in the NPFL but in RAW form.

After all 90% of our national team players started from home before moving abroad for brushing and polishing.

What we lack is unearthing players and giving them the needed polishing here in Nigeria until they go abroad.

For anyone to say the NPFL lacks quality is being short-sighted.

Name most of our players abroad doing well today who weren't born outside Nigeria and I will tell you they migrated from this same NPFL.

When we had fewer options Abroad, we were forced to unearth and make do with those we had here (Pre 2000s).

But when football became a money sport, most players started migrating in droves from this same league for greener pastures because there was a way to do that and our coaches and handlers became lazier in checking for players at home nor having room to groom them since it's easier to do less job/work with those already abroad.

I repeat again, name 90% of current and past Nigeria 23 squad and i will tell you they started from Nigeria!

Real Madrid poured sand for Bale garri

Tamasaba:
but NASS has the constitutional right to screen a ministerial nominee. U have no point

And what you have seen so far looks like screening to you?

The constitutional rubbish they have the power to change.

Neither can NASS pronounce anyone guilty or not. So you're more pointless!

Tamasaba:
He has a point...but EFCC and ICPC can't pronounce one guilty or not guilty since they are not courts of law..so for this reason...his point is now pointless.

500k what? na only one hospital dey? it starts from 50k upwards but never up to 500k. Say wetin happen?

igwedubai2:
Some hospitals cause it. Because of the bill. Some family doesn't have money to pay for their bill. They charged #500k 300k. So, some family are poor. While some are fake believer and fake pastors.

A monk with dada? I don die!

Monks don't keep hair (Most)

See them, they have started. PDS!

dejosh:
What about him? If only u know who this man is..... Ask any one from Bauchi state, they will tell u how fanatical he is and the role he played in the 2006 Bauchi crisis. He is 10times more fanatical than Hell tufa I.

More into communications and technology.

BlackPantherxXx:
Minister for Health? Most likely!

What do you expect a 95 years old human to look like before? Chris Brown?

Someone who spent more than 15 years in Prison.

Some kids sha!

Wait to see if you'll even get to 60 first before mocking and old successful man.

Full Screening Of Dr Aliyu Pantami (the Best Of The Screened Ministers So Far?)

What is your take on this guy?

I believe he's the most evidence based performer so far. Most of what he stated are things he achieved and not what he "intends" to achieve.

We need sound ministers and government officials like this young man. He's one (Youngest?) of the youngest of the 43 ministers and WIDELY read.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZSVhQ-nYPO0

Comment on what you think about his screening.

This guy sound. Not just making mouth but stating facts with evidence of what he has achieved.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E9KOHz8xDIE

I don't do baseless arguments, kindly check my comments on this thread to see how inline my thoughts have been. I have maintained the same argument all through, so too bad you couldn't comprehend my line of thought which is not my fault.

One line from my thought - Police will only get to kill only if the protest is unorganized anywhere in the world-.

I can't take you through all over again.

obailala:
Lol.. smh.. Such a poor attempt at being clever! If you go back to my last post and read till the very last sentence, I already did mention that you would surely shrink back to your shell with the weak defense that you were referring to just Ojota. Protesters were killed in Lagos, Kano and Kwara, but your argument is that no one was killed at Ojota?

So because no one was killed at Ojota, is that the reason you quoted me originally to challenge my post about trigger happy Nigerian policemen?

Please, be very careful and pay attention to details. I said, no one was killed at the Ojota protest, all that you posted, none said there was a casualty there. I never said there was no death elsewhere.

We are talking about the peaceful and organized protest here, not the one people get to vandalize properties, stop others from moving or burning of properties/debris everywhere.

I hope i am clear now?

obailala:
Why do you sound so much like the Nigerian police with this your bizarre denial? Are you a policemen?

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-africa-16464922

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2012/jan/09/nigeria-fuel-protests-one-killed

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-nigeria-strike/nigerian-fuel-protests-grow-13-killed-in-attacks-idUSTRE8091B120120110

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-nigeria-strike/nigeria-fuel-protests-turn-violent-two-killed-idUSTRE8081NM20120109

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/africa/2012/01/201213135855591893.html

https://www.pri.org/stories/2012-01-10/nigeria-news-fuel-subsidy-protests-turn-deadly-three-people-killed

https://www.france24.com/en/20120103-lagos-nigeria-end-petrol-subsidy-riots-clashes-police

Within a second in google, about 20 different reports on fatalities across Nigeria during the #OccupyNigeria protests popped up; on last count, it was over 12 fatalities, some of which were in Lagos. I know your next line of argument would probably be, "I meant in Ojota alone"

From 100, to 300, to 500, now 1000, next is likely going to be 50,000

Make una dey pull numbers outta una yansh o.

Fake news carriers.

Sufisunni:
Blocking ordinary Buratai caused Shiites more than 1000 lives

Nobody was shot in Ojota oga.

Any well-organized protest won't record casualty worldwide, it has nothing to do with Abuja or bubunja.

obailala:
1. BBOG was a very very organised protest, but that doesn't mean they weren't teargassed on several occasions.
2. BBOG was mainly in Abuja where the police are a little bit more civilised than the rest of the country.
3. Again for BBOG, the world was watching with keen interest; it would have been disastrous if the security forces tried the usual madness.



As for Ojota, I remember one person was fatally shot live on camera in the usual Nigerian police tradition (to fulfill righteousness).

Ask the kids on social media jare.

BTW: Nigeria is not in a recession.

obailala:
In Nigeria, even if the pritest isnt disruptive, even if the police has been able to overpower and disperse the protesters, they somehow just have a way to still level their rifle to release a live fatal bullet. It's a tradition done just to fulfil all righteousness.

How many people died at Ojota?
How many at all the BBOG protest?

tigerclaws:
i knew it when iran officially put mouth
the illiterate terrorist buhari cannot afford another international funded terrorism

Where do you belong? release or hold?

European countries negotiating his release not your newly adopted country Iran

Solsix:
I believe u have data, pls try google

Google didn't type what I quoted

Solsix:
Naso e dey start, before u know it we will have a sect worst than book haram. And to remembered that a court have granted this man bail on several occasions will give u a picture of how bad Nigeria is. May God save us

Which court
in which state
and by which judge?