₦airaland Forum

Let's see how the Taliban led Afghanistan rise to the occasion against ISIS.

Let's watch and see.

michlins:
and he came through for me. Paid 50% of the door

Case settled.

Great.

I wish what just happened between you, madam Enyine and with the very visible assistance from Brabus can happen more on a macro scale in Nigeria, within few years, we'd become a force to be reckoned with as a serious Nation.

God bless everyone involved in the settlement and may the lessons gathered be useful to us in the future.

What is his/her offence?

PDPGuy:
If they keep up the tremendous job from the 3-point line (they made 18 of those!!), and improve on their shots from the paint, then it’s another W over Kenya.

But did poorly with 2 pointers.

What if we meet teams good at defending 3 pointers?

Inception:
Your post here is one that should be obtainable in any sane, modern Human civilization.

But alas! Nigeria is not a civil society (shout patriotism all you want, that is the truth).

Most of us here visit merchant sites such as E bay and Amazon (even Ali express). If i request for an item and the the specifications meets my needs, I purchase. If it gets to me and it does not meet the criteria as advertised by the seller, there is a policy that gives me the right to a refund or replace (in some cases whether or not i return the item). That is a system that works because it has been tested by many of us here.

Why is our own different? The complainant ordered for a 3 ft door (36 in) and you supplied her a 33 in door, giving your ' judgement' of measurement as an excuse. Now the doors (2 of them, after managing 3) are useless to her. And some people here are say she should temper Justice with mercy. Some people are even insulting her here for an expectation she paid for in full!

HOW DID WE GET HERE FOR GOD'S SAKE! NO ACCOUNTABILITY!

How then can we do away with the Chinese , Indians and Americans/Europeans when our own standard of morality and professionalism is nothing compared to even the Beninese and Togolese!

May God Help us all.

I come to make war

God bless you too.

We must change as a people and stop blaming people for what we haven't been chanced to do yet.

Nigeria is going to remain where it is if we all can't look into the mirror and first correct our errors before looking elsewhere.

We must learn to become better in all that we do.

I'm learning not just about construction on this thread but how to become a better businessman/neighbour /brother/uncle/friend/boss/teacher/husband/father/citizen.

diordaves:
Businesses keep evolving. The business environment keeps evolving. The customers keep evolving. There is constant change. However, this change has mostly to do only with the services demanded by customers and the way to deliver the service. Product quality, identity, and functionality stay the same.

For example, 1982 Benz is the 'same' as 2021 Benz. What "changed" are the features (services) demanded by 2021 customers - padded, internet connection, sat-nav, electric engine, sleek design, eco friendly, etc. But a person born in 1982 who went into a coma and came to in 2021 will still recognize a Benz even from a distance.

Another example, Savings Account in 1982 with passbook is the same in 2021. What "changed" are computers, the internet, and app. But savings account na savings account. This is recognized as PRODUCT IDENTITY. Some call it an instrument. What have all these got to do with you and your aggrieved client? Plenty.

You need to have PRODUCT IDENTITY. You cannot supply a 3.5ft (for example) door to Mr A and call it a 3ft door and supply a 2.5ft door to Mrs B and call it a 3ft door. No identity. A 3ft door is a 3ft door. A 4ft door is a 4ft door. Period. It is not your responsibility or prerogative if it would fit. That's the customer's prerogative. You are essentially a manufacturer who manufactures to measure. If the customer says please give me 3ft door; you price your product appropriately and give them 3ft door. Shikena.

I bought a house in South East London that needs modernization. I need to install a footpath wrought iron (garden) gate. So I went online. See the attached photo. This will give you an idea of how these things are done. Look carefully at the photo, you will see the size (Dimensions) and even weight. This is called PRODUCT SPECIFICATION. Look carefully again, you will see where the suppliers said "Fits a post to post GAP of 762mm . So upfront, I know what I'm ordering. Now if the gate is delivered and the specification doesn't match my invoice, I will return the product for a refund at the cost of the supplier. It is not what I ordered they delivered. Any explanation that I need to knock down walls or choke any gap to make the product fit is not acceptable. This is the issue you are currently having.

I'm not expecting you to start drafting (drawing) products. This will be costly and if you pass on this cost to your customers, they will complain. But I'm expecting you to include the dimensions in your invoice and deliver exactly the dimensions so contained. And leave the rest for the customer.

So going forward, write down the PRODUCT SPECIFICATION in your invoice issued to customers and as customer service, you may add "this product will fit an opening of bla, bla, bla". Then deliver exactly the dimensions in the invoice. You will be good.

PLEASE REPLICATE MORE OF YOU IN YOUR ENVIRONMENT.

ACCOUNTABILITY IS NEEDED.

EgunMogaji2:
I can’t disagree with you. The government is made up of the people.

I personally don’t believe that Nigeria will ever really change. So I continue living my life full throttle amidst the chaos.

You've found the key to live in peace in this country.

EgunMogaji2:
Yes Sir. Nigeria is truly beautiful, we just have bad government.

Bad citizens plenty..

Na from their midst bad politicians come out.

Then bad civil service

Bad private sectors

The list is endless.

If bad people dey minority for naija, we won't be having bad leadership for more than 30 years now.

..

suffering:
I can confirm, Judas Iscariot drank one before betraying Jesus.

That brand is older than alot of countries lol.

MayorWhales:
The crime we have committed is finding ourselves to be citizens of this Zoo Republic. It as finished

Are Aliens the ones spoiling Nigeria?

suffering:
It was a thriving business which I patronized heavily back in the day. [b]Nothing lasts forever s[/b]o Bleep it. Places buckle to catch fun.

Coca cola says hello!

jamexborn:
It's happening...

Shebi una think say dangote na d messiah

We go all hear am

Person wey become d richest in the country via govt favoritism

Bills, policies and laws tailor made to work for him


Sugar
Cement
Salt
Pasta/noodles
Tomato
Formerly Flour

And Now Petrol and d byproducts

We go hear them loud and clear...if north

Can you read at all?

hisgrace090:
As the north gets ready to enjoy their newly 30% oil cut and a lion share from the remaining 70% oil proceed.
The reason why they vow to attack anyone that moves against one nigeria.

Stop spreading lies.

There is no 30% oil cut exclusively for Northern states

emmyN:
Michlins makes burglaries without tolerance for installation; client came on here to call him fraud. The gurus advised him to take cognizance next time. Granted.

Michlins makes doors with allowance for another client. Client calls him a cheat and a thief. Our magnanimous gurus wade in and advise he makes as specified going forward.

Michlins is tired

He should work on his communication skill.

Ask to the latter what the client wants, document it and make sure you don't assume for them.

Why is this so difficult?

Who is more valuable/useful between the cows and those pickpocketers/agbero in lagos?

n3xt:
This conversation ensued few hours ago between myself and my contact for frameless Glass partitions providing an option quote to coldcandy

The first question asked when he saw my measurement was “Have you removed clearance?”


While giving feedback to coldcandy, the first thing I asked him was if clearance was removed and I told him what I asked the contractor to do to avoid ambiguity.

I’m not mad. I just believe some issues can be avoided.

It doesn’t matter whether coldcandy will give his job to my contact or use his estimate as a guide. What matters is I didn’t create a bigger problem for him while trying to help.

This takes care of assumptions.

Ggee:
I know you are trying to defend michlins but ask him if he discussed his assumptions with the customer.

When I order 3ft, it should be 3ft. Most people here are learned enough to know what they require. So when you assume, clear with the person first.

Defend Michlins? Is that what you were able to comprehend from my comments?

You do well.

Enyinne:
Its about the image for u but doing the right thing is not paramount to u . I bought some luxury turkey doors of 3ft and all measured 3ft plus .Does it mean turkish company don't know client will choke the doors ? U decided to shortchange me aka cheat me and collect 60k and made a toilet size doors for me . You will retrieve this doors and refund me or better still sell the doors to ur new found client on Nairaland. Cos if i start , i will trool u forever on Nairaland then u will know what it means to ruin ones image .

And madam, did you did ask questions on what to expect when you contacted him?

michlins:
please sir, that's how doors are made. Even the prefabricated doors are smaller.

Here's how it goes. A sheet of pan is 8ft and when divided by four gives you 2ft plus 3" of the pipes. That's 30" then you add frames which is usually 1.5" on both sides. That's a total of 33".

This is the way it works. If you want to expand the size, you will have to add pipes in-between to increase it.

These things are like this anywhere and everywhere

Meaning the frames makes a 3 feet door 36'?

Did you explain to her or was she aware?

You're the expert here, you don't assume your client should know some of these technical details.

gordonbarrett:
The whole issue is coming from a point of strained relationship. Normally this shouldn't degenerate to this level. I kind of understand where the vendor is coming from, cos even if he supplied exactly 3ft, that extra 3" or thereabout will be lost in the plaster. He should have explained to the client.

This is why it's good to communicate with whoever you are dealing with.

Assumption is very dangerous.

And asking questions is extremely good.

This would not have come up if there was an agreement on reduction or no reduction.

Modified.

michlins:
sir I am a vendor here and still I am human who deserves a respect. If you take offense with my response and feel ok with her statement, I don't know what to say about it.


She gave me a measurement saying she wants 7ft by 3ft. I deducted 3" from the measurements for the plastering. How on earth is this fraud? Go anywhere, this is the industrial standard. It has been discussed extensively here. She's quick to bring screenshots here. Do you know what she has said to me over the phone and how she has insulted me. Even a slave deserve a better treatment

Did you tell her when you decided to deduct from the measurements she gave you?

Did she ask you to do any deduction?

Why are you giving yourself problems by assuming for people?

bammo:
I've seen at least 90 percent of those movies
and the cops didn't go about harassing every household in an estate building coz I'm sure you can't get an arrest warrant for someone who isn't a suspect.
If forcemen should come to my home and harass me with my mum and baby sister in the house just like that, I don't think I would be happy.. I might even shoot someone.

Now I know you just want to argue.

Have a nice day.

bammo:
dude you are just listing random movies you are not serious..

Did you watch any and didn't find what you asked for?

If I wanted to list random movies, how come not much of popular names on the list?

You just want an excuse right ?

Let me indulge you.

The Last Days of American Crime

Police academy (All the parts)

Murder of Sylvia Likens

Goodfellas

The godfathers

The irishman

21 bridges

Bad boys for life

Internal affairs

The hate U give.

You want more?

bammo:
name one movie that they searched every flat in a building..

Yahoo boys in school won't turn angels after graduation na just because they got a job.

They'll simply shift their yahooing to their "legal profession".

Majority of bank staff were yahoo boys and girls in school.

bammo:
every apartment? bro which kine talk be that, then they must be really confused..
I don't watch bbnaija so the girl has never offended me but I think these people should be checked if not, we will soon have another SARS that think they can harass and kill tax payers at will.

I just told you what some search warrants cover.

Don't you watch foreign movies?
Don't you see how their security agents search a whole area once they have a warrant?

It's okay over there but not okay here?

I'm not talking about the deformed Sars or whatever.
I'm talking about what happened.

EFCC is not the deformed Sars.

bammo:
what they wanted was not in her house
and somehow you believe they came with a search warrant?[/b]
what they wanted was not in her house
and somehow you believe they came with a search warrant?

Search warrant is not just about one building, it can be for a location. It was every apartment in her estate they searched.

bishop4life:
Damage control




There is nowhere in the world you arrest a cyber criminal by breaking down properties.
They are duely monitored and evidence gotten to nail them beyond reasonable doubt. They won't even know they are being trailed.

Search warrant is what they said they went with.

With a search warrant, if anything incriminating is found, the pulpits get arrested.

Jerryherd:
They both told the truth.. however EFCC just admitted to acting very unprofessional, breaking into her flat without a warrant is wrong

They said they went with a warrant.

Can you disprove this?

The title of this thread contradicts some of the names on the thread.