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Eruditor:
Nah, your own question is irresponsible. So why do you consider Poch's season a success even when he did not win anything?

LOL @ objectivity. Is there any difference between Xhaka of August and the one of April/May? Care to tell me what that difference is if it exists?

Based on expectations, one cannot say Poch was a failure. No body expected Tottenham to win the league.

Based on expectations, Pep's season was a failure. Everybody (or didn't you?) thought Pep would win a treble (or at least win something).

raumdeuter:
No improvement?

What was the position and point total under Pellegrini vs under Guardiola

League cup? The tournament others use reserve team for? The worst trophy and waste of time

Honestly I don't see how City improved from last season.

Points?

Arsenal won more points this season than last season. You call that improvement? Well we finished second last season. Now compare.

Eruditor:
This is your own narrative. The squad they inherited was not strong. They were 4th with 66points. Hammered by the top 6 teams and conceded a ton of goals. Getting to the UCL semis just made up for a terrible season.

It was clear they needed marauding fullbacks and another CB. Kompany was out for most of the season - their improvements when he returned is evident. Also, CFC overperformed winning 13 straight games. Notice, after those 13 games, the W and L column between CFC and the rest of the top 4 teams became similar.

Of course, Bravo did not do a good job (but it was clear they needed to improve on Hart). Anybody arguing that fact is just debate-hungry. Also Gab Jesus and Gundögan absence and injuries did not help either. MOST OF THE REST OF THE OTHER PLAYERS ARE STILL ADJUSTING TO PEP's STYLE.

My confidence in him this term is because [s]with early transfers he would have time to work with his players [/s] before the season begins. It also stems from the fact that he is plugging the areas I saw they were clearly deficient in personnel-wise. The last reason is because I believe his way of playing is more impregnable than Mou, Klopp, Poch or Conte's style when his team gets it right.

PS: he trivialized the Carling Cup and fielded his reserves against United at OT. They were never going to win the UCL but they crashed out having tied scores with a Monaco that not only won a Ligue title but got to the semis of the UCL. The only 2 trophies he "failed" in really are the EPL and FA Cup. And he lost in the FA Cup Semis to the eventual winners. Big deal.

The emboldened is an irresponsible statement. What if Pep reached the UCL semis, would you called it a way to managed a failed season? Well Pep's first season was a failure, yet he couldn't manage it.

The over ruled statement, lacks objectivity. Pep was announced 6months before that season ended. He signed 2 players within his first week. Early signing has not convinced me about Pep.

Don't get it twisted, Pep is a great manager but he is yet to prove he is better than the likes of Klopp, Poch, Conte, Mou and Wenger offcourse.

raumdeuter:
which strong squad did he inherit. The strong squad that finished the league 4th with 66 points. The strong team finished level with man utd lvg team that everyone claimed to be a failure

Are you implying that there were no improvements from what Pellegrini achieved?

He inherited a squad, added to them, yet did nothing extra.

No, Pellegrini won the League Cup.

Eruditor:
I told you, there is nothing like more excuses. It is about filling the positions that are left unoccupied. It is not about signing who he "wants". If that were the case he would have gone for Marcelo, De Gea, Messi etc. It is about signing who he needs based on who he has let go. Once those spots are filled, let other managers sign as much as they need to too, he would still win it. That is what I am saying. Quote me.

Last season he signed those he needed,- Bravo, Stones, Sane, Jesus, Gundugan, despite inheriting a strong squad, yet he won nothing. How are we so sure he will win next season?

mikkydera:
. hmmmm...…am just thinking, not necessarily world class but this guy is too raw for arsenal and we have so many of dem in the youths or out on loan. Not even dat sef, his pattern of play contrast greatly with arsenal own. Well, if bought i will keep hoping sha

Remember Holding? £2m.

Van Persie? £2.7m

Aside us, Leicester got Kante for £5m two years ago.

PattyCake:
E pain the Weyrey

How kwanu?
Or you just want display a mark of imbecility?

PattyCake:
Giroux should stay, Don't you guys want Scorpion Kicks?

And how is that you business? You should focus on getting Rooney some new hair, or treating Ibra's penile dysfunction.

Eruditor:
The etc is because he let players go and hopes to replace them. Navas, Sagna, Clichy, Zaba. So he needs a RWB, RB, LB to replace them. He might get 1 more CB. These are the positions that City were seriously wanting in even before he arrived. If he gets them, he would win the league and one other domestic trophy. Quote me.

I yaff quoted you oga.

Pep needs a GK, RB, LB, CB, BB, FB, AB, SB, etcB.

Hope he does the treble next season. Hope you don't come up with more excuses if he doesn't. Remember he is 'Pep'.

Eruditor:
How much was Paid for Buffon 18 years ago? He is 40 today and worth every penny of it. The fee for Ederson is not the issue. It is the market today and he is highly rated.

What I see people do here is conceal their fears that Pep is covering the loopholes in City - the same loopholes we told you guys existed last season that he could nothing about.

Anyways, Spy360, I made no predictions last time but I am here to make one now; if he signs the players he is trying to get - Mendy, Kyle Walker etc.

HE WOULD WIN THE LEAGUE.

If Mourinho signs all the players he wants he will win the league.

If Wenger signs all the players he wants he will win the league.

If Poch signs all the players he wants he will win the league.

If Klopp signs all the players he wants he will win the league.

If Conte signs all the players he wants he will win the league.

If Papa Ajasco ( sod09) signs all the players he wants he will win the league.

Tval:
Why "etc"? If he signs the two you listed and ends up not winning the league, you would come here to tell us he didn't sign "etc".

Lol.

#Epic

mikkydera:
I have watched dis onyekuru of a guy. loads of pace, and dribbles -but dat is dat. doesn't have pass, no teamwork, isn't a good goalscorer, can't even cross. Abeg arsenal dont need him imho. Please who else have another opinion about him.
NB; I have watched loads of different highligts to come at dis conclusion tho. I don't feel he can gel in d EPL yet. Just like our dear Musa.

He is not yet the finished article.

He won't be our main striker.

So chill.

Ok?

raumdeuter:
So is England to blame for Joke Harts howlers? Or will you call England ungrateful also?

This is against Wales




Joe Hart apologises after costing England in last-16 defeat against Iceland after howler
Three Lions crashed out out Euro 2016 against Nordic minnows and Manchester City stopper admits they deserve flak

"I am gutted about how the summer went," Hart was quoted as saying by the BBC. "I would have loved to have saved the two shots that I should have saved [during Euro 2016] but they are gone. I am going to try and rectify that by being in a good place. Football moves quickly. You have to move on. You have got to keep fighting."

If Hart is bad then Bravo is worse.

I don't see how Ederson who costs so much is even better. But let us leave it still preseason cum next season. Just that by then your mouth would hae changed like APC.

*Funny Enough*

With all the rantings, moanings and whinings...

BBC conducted a survey on 250,000 fans if they wanted Arsene to stay;
58% said yes.
42% said no.

#WengerIn has it.

sojoawo:
Please this frequency for Ortb and other French stations in eutelsat 16 degree east is red at my end. 10802 (h) 30000. & 10804 (h) 30000. What other frequencies can bring out this station.

What's your dish size?

pazienza:
I'd suggest you keep this discussion civil, cos trust me. you wouldn't enjoy the other side of me, if you keep up with this your vulgar approach.

1. Van gaal spent alot to win the FA cup, you say. Wenger spent nearly a decade between 2005-2014 to win his first FA cup post invincible era, you didn't say. How much did he spend in transfers during those era, and how much on monetary terms is a decade worth?

2. Wenger answered nobody. Wenger remains a failure. A lucky FA cup win after playing second division clubs along the way and a good final against Chelsea will not paper the cracks at Arsenal.
Truth remains that Arsenal was dreadful over the course of the season, finished 5th in EPL, was dumped out of Europe in humiliating manner by Bayern.
Other serious European clubs would have sacked Wenger since.

3. No one thought Chelsea was invincible. Chelsea lost games to United, Spurs, Liverpool, Crystal palace this season, stop behaving like Wenger did what couldn't be done.

4. No, I refuse to be fickle. Arsenal problem runs deeper than FA cup, and I wouldn't be hoodwinked into accepting mediocrity.
Wenger needs to go, Arsenal needs a breathe of fresh ideas, a new beginning.

5. Ofcourse, Arsene would leave when he dies, seeing as what stands as standard for success in Arsenal is being reduced and forced down gullible Arsenal fans throats to accommodate Wenger mediocrity and the board greed on seasonal basis.
Not long ago, Fourphy and FA cup was the standard for a good season.
Now Only FA cup is good enough.
Who knows what the new standard would be come next season. One thing is sure, it's not going to be mounting real challenge for the EPL trophy. Why should it be, when the fans are already satisfied with the 5th place trophy and are looking forward for a cycle of unending better season that never comes.

From bottom to top

5. No we fans are not satisfied with FA cup, and I am sure no one at The Emirates is satisfied either. We are having to have won a trophy, better than going trophyless and also importantly having some bragging rights with our London neighbours who incidentally are the league champions. While the cup is not enough, it is still something. We have won it more than any other club in history, that thanks to Wenger- 7 cups. Next season we would as always aim for the title.

4. FA cup is no show of mediocrity. We had to beat the league champions to earn it. Let this sink in. Yes we know that we need a new beginning. But are we ready for it? Right now? Common sense demands that some structures need to be placed first.

3. Yes Chelsea were not invincible (only Arsenal has been- Arsene), but they won 30 games this season. They were huge favourites to do the double. We stopped them. Arsene stopped them. Isn't that remarkable?

2. Lucky FA cup win? Lol!

So Man City fell among the class of second division clubs? I am doing my best to respect this discuss o.

1. I am not taking anything away from Van Gaal. But if you want to compare their individual feats, an Arsenal FA cup is worth more than United because United are a bigger club, they also have a bigger budget. Talking about the last decade, within same decade he consistently attended the KO stages of the UCL with minimal spending power and despite having to lose his top players year after year. Ask United, Chelsea, Spurs and Liverpool fans, they know what it means to miss CL. Within same decade he helped built the magnificient Emirates. Now let's see if you can calculate the monetary value.

Final word:
Wenger will leave someday. He has to because like you said there is a need for fresh ideas. The problem is that the Board is not ready. There are no realistic replacements for Wenger as at now. Tuchel got sacked at BVB for a reason. Allegri has 2years with Juve, same with Simeone with Atletico. Kroenke was at Wembley and was definitely impressed, that was why he invited Wenger for a chat on Monday only to squash Tuesday's meeting by announcing to the Board his final decision. Arsenal may not win the league next year, but we hope Wenger will prepare the grounds for a successful handover.

itsJude:
Arsenal sha na wa

If henry of a player was good , big clubs will be after him , a guy younger than him is killing french league

We signed Holding for £2m the same year Pep got Stones for £50m.

What do you say?

kokaneprodigy:
U're welcome,

Don't be like Spy

That Wenger got a new contract shows that I know more than you.

joeace2020:
Even though i don't like Arsenal, i think he could. That 3 at the back has made their play much fluid.

Hmmmm? :p)

diggz:
What is with solanke going to liverpool and begovic to Bournemouth?


Abeg na who conte wan sign?

For free.

Free!


Bad deal by Chelsea.

sod09:
im angry now blud, what does this man take us for blud,same old story blud
im outta here blud

You are really pissed off now. Go and wee wee

I am waiting for Gazidis to resign after Kroenke side tracked him to keep Wenger.

jamalnation:
player out Gabriel Gibbs Sanogo Debuchy Coquelin Jenkinson
loan willshare akpom
keep ozil Sanchez cazola charmberlin monreal

No Giroud.
Kokaneprodigy coman see o.

diggz:
Spy360 my guy.....

You suppose to come visit me with a bottle of wine since Saturday.

edoyad:
Of course for teams like Man Utd, Tottenham and Liverpool who finish outside top four in modern football, UCL qualification counts. But you have to understand Arsenal expects more.


@Spy360
I agree with your list of players who should stay. I think we should add Perez and Welbeck to the stay list.

As for the leave list, I'm still not sure about Walcott. May be it's because he has been here so long.
Add Giroud

Walcott for me personifies the mediocrity Arsenal has been accused of. Dude is not improving at all. Giroud for me makes more impact.

kokaneprodigy:
No! we are not HIGHLY divided, we just want you to add Giroud to your "leave" list

You would notice I mwntioned only 4 to leave instead of 5. Well Giroud is not no 5.

Oasis007:


Seriously I can't stop laughing!

I was expecting Giroud to be the No. 1 on the List, but the Dude chose to hide him from the both Lists.

Have you checked the missing List?! Perhaps he's there!

For all the sticks he gets, I think he was more productive than the likes of Welbeck and Walcott despite having to sit on the bench.

No one wants to say that he gave the assist for Ramsey's goal in the FA cup final.

If only 5 players have to leave, I say for his 'head only' keep him.

Obviously, fans are HIGHLY divided in their opinion of who should and should not wear the Arsenal shirt.

MrDojo:
If arsenal had a serz board.... nothing stops them from poaching simeone or allegri....promise them control over the club (arsene like control) and watch them come.....

Personally I like simeone as a manager. .... bt the likelihood of him coming is less than 10% ...

Jardim is anoda good coach.... arsenal should take a look at him.

The last and infact most foolish thing Arsenal board can do is to give any new coach same control Wenger has.

You see that you are not a good decision maker.

Which 5 players do you think must be retained for next season?

And which 5 players must leave?

For me they are...

Keep:
Sanchez
Ozil
Chamberlain
Xhaka
Monreal

Out:
Gibbs
Jenkinson
Walcott
Sanogo


Roland17, Sod09, Kokaneprodigy, Edoyad, MrDojo, Anonimous

MrDojo:
If wenger signs a new contract. . I'll know the man has no shame.. its time for him to go fa cup or not.... this team needs a new head coach..... 2005-2017 only 4 fa cups to show..... in 13yrs... I blame the uk fans who continue to buy season tickets.

Who should replace him?

Assuming you are the board, who would you appoint right now as his replacement?

2kass:
Tuchel is good, but what do you guyz think of Diego Simeone

Simeone wont fit. Tuchel fits the club and he is young.

But I would prefer Allegri.