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Sounds like a case of OCD.

MaxInDHouse:
I will quote you again and again and again as long as you keep writing rubbish about God's word!
The book was written long ago but you said those who wrote it are dumbasses so i want to show you that those so called dumbasses knew so much ahead of today's scientists even though they don't have all the equipments to test what they knew.
So an unseen Supernatural Being is behind all what they penned down that's the undeniable fact! 2Timothy 3:16

Quote.me where I said that those who wrote the Bible are dumbasses?

I'm waiting.


Mind you this was what I typed:

Okay

Did anyone tell you that the people that wrote the Bible were dumbasses?

Did anyone tell you that scientific discovery began recently?

Now point to me where I called the Bible writers dumbasses??

The book was written long ago but you said those who wrote it are dumbasses so i want to show you that those so called dumbasses knew so much ahead of today's scientists even though they don't have all the equipments to test what they knew.

The distance from the earth to the sun, was made known centuries ago, using CRUDE INSTRUMENTS.

Science has improved since the old days. We now know that the reason why we have striped animals, is not because the parents of the animal were mating in front of crossed sticks. But YOUR BIBLE CLAIMS that when two animals mate in front of crossed sticks, their offspring will be striped.

@MaxInDHouse, please read through before your quote. I don't have having to repeat myself.

Dtruthspeaker:
Genesis Flood Again Workch aka Sipping aka Chinawhatever?

Please read;

Again, don't misquote me.

The middle east is prone to floods.


Read the title of this post, I said "WHOLE-EARTH" flood.


Nna,it seems reading is such is a difficult thing for you.

I even created a post describing the topology of the middle East and why the story exists in the first place. The Noah's Flood story is not even a Christian/Muslim/Judaism tale in the first place. It was based of off a Sumerian tale.


You and MaxInDHouse have the same problem and let me list it here for you:

1. You don't read properly. This is why having a decent conversation with you is hard, because you just like to quote, even if you don't understand.

2. You are so obsessed with your Bible that you don't realise that it doesn't work that way. It's just like a Muslim trying to convince you that Islam is true, by pulling out his Qur'an, putting your verses to your face and expecting you to believe or something.

I was once Christian like you. I did all these things you are doing now. You think I was born agnostic or something?




Please if you are going to misquote me, then do it intelligently. This is embarrassing and you know it.

Also for the last time, I don't know who is Workch, so keep me out of whatever you and him are beefing about. I'm not in a good mood today. I'm not joking.

Have a nice day.

What will make you a good husband material??

Baba.just wan trend

MaxInDHouse:
The Bible is not a science textbook but no matter what scientists discovers they'll forever find out that the Bible is ahead of them!

Okay

Did anyone tell you that the people that wrote the Bible were dumbasses?

Did anyone tell you that scientific discovery began recently?

You may have noticed that Nigeria is big on religion. There’s a church or mosque almost every street. And everyone makes a note to say which faith they believe in. As a Nigerian, you have three options.
You can be a Christian, a Muslim. Anything else is jazz. It’s recognised but you’re better off leaving that shit for Chiwetalu Agu.

Of course, you can believe in other things or not believe in anything at all. There are agnostics – people who think no one can know if God exists or not. And atheists – a very interesting group of people who don’t believe in the idea of gods, let alone, a supreme one. The reason why you hardly hear anything about them is that in Nigeria, you either believe in God or the Devil.
That’s why Nigerian atheists are very familiar with these struggles. People will act like you killed someone the first time you mention it. “What is Atheist?” “You don’t believe in God?” “Who now created you?”

Sometimes you have to defend yourself.

God forbid you let it slip in public that you’re an atheist. You’ll suddenly find yourself in an argument where you have to answer questions like whether your mother dropped you beside a river as a baby. But bros, nobody asked you why you decided to become a Christian. Leave me, plis dear.

Prepare to be judged, pushed away and left out)

People generally don’t like children of the devil (which is what they’ve decided you are). So don’t be surprised when a mother refuses to let you carry their baby because your sin will stain the child. Or you get excluded from conversations because you’ll come and scatter everything with logic. You really thought that not believing in God would save you from judgement, didn’t you?

You don’t get invited for religious holidays either
Okay. So you don’t believe in God, yes? But you want to eat meat that was killed to honour him and his messenger. Sho wa okay?

Alone is my best friend.
It may seem like the most basic thing but having someone to pray to is a big deal. You, on the other hand, must now sit and wallow in your pain because how can a God that does not exist help his children (who you’re not one of.)

And you’ll even get dragged when you say things like “Oh My God”
And when you’re straffing, you have to say “Oh Science, Yes Science. Oh Science. Probe Meeee”.
The only way to avoid all of this is to play along.

Being an atheist means you have to nod along and smile while people say and do the most stupid things to avoid being picked on. Because Nigerians think they know everything, including why you’re really just confused and you’ll realise there’s a God when you get married. It’s the only way you’ll survive.
Basically, you have to choose the path of peace and accept them.

Peace is your new religion. The thing is, we know nobody has this life thing completely figured out, regardless of what they believe in. What’s more; there’s enough space for all of us, regardless of our differences. Live and let live.
Source: Zikoko

There is no Jezebel spirit.

I don't think Christians celebrate Halloween.


In fact, I don't think Africans in general celebrate Halloween

MaxInDHouse:
God's word said:

But God gave attention to Noah and to all the wild animals and domestic animals that were with him in the ark, and God caused a wind to blow over the earth, and the waters began to subside. Genesis 8:1

Scientists have discovered that the amount of water locked up in the Arctic and Artatic circle should dissolve the water will cover the whole earth.
So stop deceiving yourself!

I just no get your time...
Good morning, biko.

Dtruthspeaker:
It also implies that
1)YOU THROW IN THE THE TOWEL FOR YOU ADMIT THAT YOU NOW KNOW THAT YOUR OPPONENT WAS RIGHT.
2) AND THAT HE HAS PROVEN HIS CASE.

3) AND THAT YOU HAVE SEEN YOU ARE WRONG BUT YOUR OPPONENT WAS RIGHT.

4) THAT YOU HAVE GOTTEN TO THE END OF THE ARGUMENT BUT THERE IS NO LONGER ANY REASONABLE OBJECTION OR OPPOSITION FOR YOU TO RAISE.

AND THEREFORE, YOU CAN NOT REASONABLY OPPOSE OR COUNTER YOUR OPPONENTS CASE!

WHICH MEANS TRUTH HAS BEEN ESTABLISHED!

If you know you are not certain of your grounds of argument, then do not Argue.

Argument is for the purpose of Establishing and Raising Up that which IS TRUE.

Okay Dtruthspeaker

Kobojunkie:
Why are you here asking us for implications when you should instead be looking for ways to test the water to find out if it was poisoned by the men your brother claimed had tampered with it?

Find a lab to check if what was dropped in was poisonous and maybe install a pump so you can have the well locked so no one has direct access to it henceforth.

Exactly, you deserve an award biko.

Africans have allowed this religion thing to eat into their head.

If someone used that water and lands in the hospital afterwards, they will say it's juju that someone did with the water. Not knowing that the water had been rendered unsafe for domestic use.

God is powerless

Good morning.

On this website, if you notice that a religious person is about to start and argument with you, just quote one of this replies saying, "Okay [moniker], have a great day ahead". It's such a subtle but great way of signalling the guy on the other end that you don't even have their time.

Example:
"Okay, MaxInTheHouse, Have a great day ahead!"
"Okay, Dtruthspeaker, I hope your day is as fruitful as mine".

However, an argument has already begun and really isn't going anywhere (the religious person is just going around in circles). Just quote him, saying "Okay [moniker]". This will give the person on the other end a false sense of "accomplishment", because he'd think He's won the argument. Whereas, you are the one that doesn't want the conversation to go any further because you are certain nothing will come out of it and it will just be a waste of time and data.

You get

hupernikao:
Well, I guess the writer of this OP got the real point wrong in understanding Noah's story.
In their age, Moses time, it is common to use stories to teach an essence and truths. And in the best of their colleges in Egypt and Mesopotamia, usage of nature and events in the past are employed to communicate wisdom.

If the writer above sat in the exam class of Moses, he would have failed woefully, as he has treated Noah's story as scientific records but failed to know the essence of the story.


As a Primer, Moses was a prophet of God not a scientist. If you miss this in the Bible story, the whole message of the writings is lost.

Moses wasn't communicating science but he was to communicate the plan of God for humanity. And this, he is to do firstly, to his people.

Due to limitation of knowledge of their time, they speak using events, expressions to teach their wisdom.

This same story you narrated was already in place even before the birth of Moses (check history well, in the ancient near East). That means people in their days are well aware of such stories. That means, in Moses education in Egypt, he must have been taught in his classroom.

Acts 7:22
And Moses was learned in all the wisdom of the Egyptians, and was mighty in words and in deeds.


Hence Moses wasn't narrating some new stories but yet he unveiled new facts about God's plan. This wasn't taught in any school but taught by God's Spirit.


Therefore, the question any intelligent student of the Bible will ask is this.

AS A PROPHET OF GOD, WHAT WAS MOSES COMMUNICATING WHEN HE WROTE ABOUT THIS STORY.

Obviously not science but theology.

So, the first step for the author to realize the right interpretation of this scriptural text, is to first treat it as a theological text written within the history of man. Hence man's events culture and language will be his tool of communication and vehicle of revealing God's inspired message and plan for humanity.

Likewise, a man on a journey to debunk the scientific implication of such writing, will have to seek answers with the ancient world of Mesopotamia and not on the pages of an inspired theological compendium written to unveil spiritual facts.

Ok

Two rivers, the Euphrates and Tigris flow through Mesopotamia, which is now the country of Iraq (Figure 1). There are several layers in exposed rocks near these two rivers in southeastern Mesopotamia (Iraq) that are likely flood deposits. Most are about a foot (0.3 m) thick, but one is as much as 3 meters thick (MacDonald 1988). Flood debris from this same thick deposit along the Euphrates River near the ancient Sumerian city of Shuruppak about 200 km southeast of Baghdad has been dated by the C14 method, giving an age of 2900 BCE. Flood deposits 2.4 meters feet thick are also reported by MacDonald as far northeast as the ancient Babylonian city of Kish (120 km south of Baghdad). At any rate, the many flood-deposit layers show that flooding in southeastern Mesopotamia was not unusual in ancient times.

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Figure 1. Map of Mesopotamia (Iraq).

Similar large local floods are common throughout history around the world. For example, monsoon storms in Bangladesh frequently produce much rain over the country and in the Himalaya Mountains, which rise in the northern part of the country (Anonymous nd-b). Runoff of water from the rain and melting snow during such storms create great floods in four rivers that converge to the Wang River, which then drains into a huge delta in the Bay of Bengal (Anonymous nd-b). Thousands of people have been drowned in this delta region by many such floods during the last century. Almost every culture through history has a flood story to tell, as would the people in Bangladesh, but in each of these times and places, the floods would have been local and not worldwide.

Many creationists have pointed out that the Bible indicates that God promised not to cause another huge flood to occur and, therefore, there cannot be any floods that are similar to the Noachian Flood (Genesis 9:13–15). Therefore, the geological record should show at least one unique flood event that is different from all the large regional floods for which there is geological evidence.

Why Was the Local Large Flood Possible?

Storms that occur in Mesopotamia usually come from the Mediterranean Sea, cross the mountains in Syria, Turkey, and western Iran, move southeasterly over Mesopotamia to the Persian Gulf, and then exit in the Gulf of Oman. The Euphrates and Tigris Rivers that would transport water from these storms leave higher land in northern Mesopotamia and enter a nearly flat area about 130 km north of Baghdad. In this 130-km interval the gradients of these rivers are small, with the elevation dropping about 3 m per km along the course of the rivers. Both the Euphrates and Tigris Rivers near Baghdad have elevations of about 30 m above sea level, and at the city of As Samawah (280 km south of Baghdad), the Euphrates River has an elevation of 9 m (a drop in elevation of 21 m) (NOAA nd). A similar 21-meter drop occurs along the Tigris River. On that basis, the gradients of the two rivers in these intervals are 0.075 m per km. In the additional 360 km to the Persian Gulf (sea level) the gradients are only about 0.025 m per km. Therefore, in both southeastern and central Mesopotamia the gradients are so low that the rivers barely flow downhill, and frequent flooding could be common.

A large river has natural levees. During a big storm, water rushing down the channel carries abundant sedimentary debris. If the water in the channel overflows its banks onto the adjacent flood plain, the velocity immediately slows because of friction with the flat land, and the water at lower speed cannot carry its entire load of sediment. Heavier coarser particles are deposited abruptly on tops of the banks adjacent to the river while finer silts and clay particles are transported onto the flood plain. When such overflowing floods are repeated year after year, the coarser sediments deposited adjacent to the river build up natural levees on both sides of the channel. Natural levees along the Euphrates and Tigris Rivers rise up to 4 to 5 meters above the river channels, and the surface of these levees slope gently away from the rivers for 5 to 8 km toward lower, adjacent, nearly-flat flood plains that are up to 105 km wide (Tactical Pilotage Chart TPC G-4C, H-6A, and H-6B). The people living in Mesopotamia in biblical times would have had their villages on the natural levees because the flood plains would have been swampy.

What Happened During the Flood?

The watershed for the Euphrates and Tigris Rivers on which the flood could have occurred extends for more than 1600 km from the Persian Gulf through Mesopotamia into Syria and Turkey and laterally for about 1000 km from eastern Saudi Arabia to southwestern Iran — an area of more than 1.6 million square kilometers. On that basis, if abundant rain fell, not only in the mountains of Syria and Turkey, but also in Saudi Arabia and Iran, the tributary streams from these countries would all contribute their volumes of water to the flood plains of the Tigris and Euphrates Rivers (Figure 2).

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Figure 2. Map showing elevation contours around the Euphrates and Tigris Rivers that extend NW-SE through Mesopotamia.Figure 2. Map showing elevation contours around the Euphrates and Tigris Rivers that extend NW-SE through Mesopotamia.

Normally, in lesser storms most water runoff would have come primarily from the mountains in Syria and Turkey and not also from Saudi Arabia and Iran. During the flood, upstream where water first accumulates, the depth of water on the flood plains may be barely over the tops of the natural levees, but downstream the water "piles up" because it does not flow very fast downhill on a nearly flat surface. Therefore, downstream water depths could reach 32 m or more above the tops of the levees.

This increase in depth would be intensified where the two flood plains with a width of 275 km in the northern section would be squeezed into a 220-km width in the lower part of the drainage system where the two rivers join. The joining of the two rivers would also increase the volume of the water in the flood plains, thereby increasing the depth. At any rate, all higher land on the natural levees where the people in the villages were present would be completely submerged. Thus, it would be possible for a flood to have occurred in mid- Mesopotamia, perhaps about 2900 BCE, as evidenced by the scientifically dated flood deposits.

Remnant Evidence of the Flood

When the huge storm ceased that caused the flood, there would have been huge lakes, and it could have taken months to drain the water in these lakes into the gulf — which could easily explain why the Noachian Flood took so long to recede (as much as one year, according to Genesis 8:14). Evidence for this poor drainage can be seen in the present-day lakes in the flood plains. Lake Hawr al Hammar is 32 km wide and more than 80 km long, lies on the flood plain of the Euphrates River west of Basra, and several other large lakes are on flood plains adjacent to the Tigris River (for example, Hawr as Sa'diya and Hawr as Saniyalt). The poor drainage would be caused by the fact that the water covering the flood plains would have no channel through which to flow, would not flow uphill over the sloping natural levees to re-enter the river channels, and the slopes of the bottoms of the lakes would have been nearly flat with gradients toward the gulf of 0.025 to 0.075 meters per kilometer.

Effects of the Curvature of the Earth

Because of the curvature of the earth, the horizon drops from where the viewer is standing. However, the drop is proportional to the square of the distance between the viewer and an object on the horizon (Young nd). From these relationships, it can be seen that a tribal chief (or Noah) standing on the deck of a large boat (Ark), perhaps 7.8 meters above the water,would not be able to see the tops of any hills as high as 15 m from as little as 24 km away across flood plains covered with water because the curvature of the earth prevents it (See the Appendix for examples of calculations). Most hills in this region that are as much as 15 m high are more than 95 km away from the river levees. Therefore, the survivors of the Flood could see only water in all directions while they were floating down the Tigris River and over the flood plains. Many of these hills would also be partly covered with water which would make their tops project less above the water level, and therefore, the curvature of the earth would make them disappear from the line of sight in even a shorter distance than 24 km.

Northeast and southwest of the nearly flat surface that contains the two rivers, the topography rises to more than 455 m in Saudi Arabia and in Iran. Calculations show that elevations of 455 m high cannot be seen beyond 86 km away, and these places are more than 160 km from the Euphrates or Tigris Rivers. Therefore, none of the high country in Saudi Arabia or Iran would be visible to a tribal chief (or Noah). On that basis, the "whole world" would definitely appear to be covered with water during the Flood, and that was the "whole world" for the people in this part of southeastern Mesopotamia at that time.

Conclusions

If the 3.4-meter–thick layer of flood deposits in southeastern Mesopotamia (MacDonald 1988) represents a huge flood of ancient times, and if it is the remnants of the one described in the early Babylonian epics, then the authors of these epics were likely survivors who lived in a village on natural levees on the lower parts of either the Euphrates or Tigris Rivers where the flood waters covered their village, natural levees, and adjacent flood plains for distances of 160 to 320 kilometers so that no land could be seen, and their "whole world" would have been under water.

The Bible (Genesis 6–9) describes a worldwide flood (the Noachian Flood) covering even the highest mountains of the earth and the construction of a huge boat (a rectangular box-like craft) that transported animals, at least two of a kind of all land animals on the earth. The Qur'an (Suras 11 and 71) has almost a duplicate story with a similar huge boat that transported animals and a worldwide flood. In addition two older stories exist in ancient Babylonian epics that describe a huge flood. One is the Epic of Gilgamesh, describing a flood on the Euphrates River (Academy of Ancient Texts nd). The other is the Epic of Atrahasis, which has a huge flood on the Tigris River (Byers nd).

In the Epic of Gilgamesh, [Utnapishtim] is warned that a god plans to destroy all humanity and is told to build a ship to save himself, his family, friends, and cattle. In the Epic of Atrahasis, a tribal chief survived with his family by floating in a boat down to the Persian Gulf. After the flood subsided, the chief got out on dry land and erected an altar and sacrificed to a water god so that such a flood would not happen again (Anonymous nd-a). Noah also built an altar when he got off the Ark and offered sacrifices (Genesis 8:20). Because these stories all describe an ancient huge flood in Mesopotamia, it is extremely likely that a huge flood could have occurred. However, the next question is: "Did the Noachian Flood cover the whole earth?"

Scientific Evidence Against a Whole-Earth Flood

The Bible says that the rains that created the Noachian Flood lasted for 40 days (Genesis 7:17), that the waters prevailed on the earth for 150 days (Genesis 7:24), and after these 150 days the waters gradually receded from the earth so that by the seventh month and the seventeenth day, Noah's Ark came to rest upon the mountains of Ararat (Genesis 8:4). A year plus two months and twenty-seven days later the earth was dry enough so that Noah,his family, and the load of animals could disembark from the Ark (Genesis 8:14).

Because this flood was intended by God to destroy all flesh on earth (Genesis 6:13) and because sedimentary rocks on all continents contain fossils that supposedly represent the "destroyed flesh of all life," it might be thought that the Bible story, describing a wholeearth flood, was true. However, interlayered with these fossil-bearing sedimentary rocks on all continents are layers of evaporite rock salt (sodium chloride), gypsum (hydrated calcium sulfate), anhydrite (calcium sulfate), and various potash and magnesium salts, which are associated with red beds (shales) containing fossilized mud cracks (Schreiber and others 2007).

Many of these mineral compounds and red beds have combined thicknesses on different continents of more than one kilometer (~3,281 feet) (Collins 2006). The red beds are red because they contain red hematite (iron oxide) which formed from magnetite grains that were oxidized while the muds were exposed to oxygen in open air. The mud cracks can form only under drying conditions that cause the mud to shrink and form polygonal cracks. The evaporite mineral compounds in the layers are deposited in the correct chemical order predicted by the solubility of each kind of ion in these compounds and whose increasing concentrations during the evaporation of water would cause them to precipitate in a predictable depositional sequence as the water volume decreased. Such evaporite deposits would be expected to occur where a marine sea was once present and to disappear when the sea became completely dry. Therefore, one could expect these evaporites to be at the top of the supposed Noachian Flood deposits when the water supposedly receded and the land dried out, but certainly not in different levels in between older and younger fossiliferous "Flood deposits".

We read in the Bible that there is only one time in which the Flood waters are said to recede and leave the earth dry. That is, no multiple worldwide climatic conditions are described in which flooding, then drying to a dry earth, more flooding, more drying to a dry earth, in repeated cycles that occur over and over again in that Flood year. On that basis, it is logical that all the kinds of evaporite deposits and red beds in many different levels in the supposed Noachian Flood deposits could form only in local climates with desert drying-conditions and could not possibly have formed all at the same time — a time when a flood covered the whole earth for more than one year (Collins 2006). On that basis, the Noachian Flood story cannot describe a whole-earth flood, but it could only represent a large regional flood.

Myer:
Forget about atheism.
Just answer prove that these were not mistakes.

Ignore Max. It's for your own sanity

Vulcanheph:
As a realist , I have found everything in church services from the songs, ministration, prayers, recitations to become monotonous and boring.

This deserves an award.

Pray all you want Nothing will be solved.

Dtruthspeaker:
But alas, when it does not work, they shall come out to cry "there is no God. I have been praying for 20 years and fasted for 40 years, but God did not Answer. I was a born again Christian. So I can authoritatively say there is No God"

Keep living your fantasy.

People do not lose their religion because they prayed to god and did not get an answer. What sort of dystopian nightmare do you live in?



Please don't quote me. I don't want to deal with nonsense this morning, I hope you understand.


Nothing against you bro.

jonatoye:
~~~Daily Spiritual Digest~~~ 
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              [17-10-2021]

Focus: The Works of the Enemy

WORD FOR TODAY
Differentiating between what the Lord has done and that which the enemy has done is critical to your peace, rest, success and victory in every facet of life. Irrespective of what you have experienced or feel about life, God does not do evil!!!
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Scriptural Reference
"'He said to them, "An enemy has done this." (Matthew 13:28a NKJV)
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The Lord Jesus presented this parable to make it very clear to us that no matter how good the seed planted in the field given to a man, the fact remains that the enemy can as well plant his evil seed at every slightest opportunity when men become lethargic.

Right from the beginning of the world, it is a fact that everything made by God was not just good but very good (Gen1:31). In Matt 13:24, the sower which represents God sowed good seed. Hence, every appearance of evil and evil itself in whatever form is the work of the enemy - the devil.

Whatever you see in your life that appears like an anomaly with respect to good things according to God's plan for your life; is the work of the enemy which must be resisted. Do not be complacent nor be careless about any issue in your life that has an appearance of evil. Seek the intervention of God over it!

+ Is there any tares among the wheat of your life?

Lord! Uproot every tare among the wheat of my life in Jesus name. Amen!!!

Emphasis:
When there is evil, the evil one has performed his enterprise!!!

Have a Graceful Worship Experience!!!

There is no enemy

Dtruthspeaker:
I know you are just playing so my playful counter is that you also need to burn okadas, beer parlours, generators, trucks, industries, event centres, market women and market for equality.

Gbam!