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dominusgai:
Sir, I am not saying what you are saying is not true, what I am saying is that it is not as plain as you are saying it. The question to bear in mind is what does he need to buy time for?

He has already given a guideline for opening the economy, and he is wise enough to know that a lot of companies would want to hire immigrants over citizens despite the coming US unemployment rate.

Should he not lookout for his citizens?

You think it's easy to hire immigrant? Except you want to wash plates and work in warehouses at rates close to slavery. Americans will never do this jobs in the first place.

I support his immigration moves. I have no single problem with it. Told someone on this thread it's the best and only thing he did.

Excluding the fact that Americans have to pay for the wall after boasting that Mexico was going to pay.

He needs time to strategize. A flawed economy with an election coming. He needs that time to know the next point of action that will give him grounds.

With present status quo. If elections was to be today. Trump is going back to Trump Towers

dominusgai:
Sir, I am not saying what you are saying is not true, what I am saying is that it is not as plain as you are saying it. The question to bear in mind is what does he need to buy time for?

He has already given a guideline for opening the economy, and he is wise enough to know that a lot of companies would want to hire immigrants over citizens despite the coming US unemployment rate.

Should he not lookout for his citizens?

Was it you I was telling Its only immigration rule he got right. I have no problem with his immigration rules, they top notch. That the only thing he got right.

But response to pandemic. 15/100

dominusgai:
OK, I believe I have watched most of them then. First of all, they did not say the virus was not real, they said the reactions of Democrats is what is a hoax.

Right now, antegen testing is showing that the rate of infection might be at least 3 times the recorded infected rate. That means 2 times as more people than recorded caught it an did not know. Is that not the same pattern as the flu.

Right now, do you think the Democrats do not know the president will be the one to blame?

As stupid as they are, do you not believe the increased possibility of them involving in sabotage so the president will take the blame?

Who else will take the blame? Pelosi

Pelosi that downplayed it is even attacking Trump. All Fox news host that downplayed it have all changed tongues. So the president is to blame for listening to his Republican and Democrat fellows.

It's politics, elections are close. Do you expect them to pay him on the back. It's normal for them to open his flaws.

You need see the Joe Biden advert. He nailed Trump.

Let me search it out for you. Realistic fact and statement


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PmieUrXwKCc

dominusgai:
Sir, once again, do the research yourself. I am not the only one contesting the figures. Just go to US death rate website and compare the total death rate for a month in last year and now.

And it is public news that New York added over 3500 deaths to their numbers without testing.

It is also evident that the cause of death of the virus is clogged lungs. However if you die of kidney disease, provided you have the virus it will be recorded that the virus killed you.

Once again, no body will question a ban with evidence. And here is the evidence supporting ban on immigration

1) Millions of America lost their jobs and will need all the jobs they can get
2) Left alone, companies will try to hire cheaper labour from outside while neglecting the unemployed citizens.
3) The ban will favour employment of US citizens over immigrants. If Trump have tried this without these evidence, he would have been tackled.

You are not following trend.

"People with underlying ailments are the most vulnerable"

This is a fact and why the elderly are mostly victims because certainly, they do will have one.

Of one is 35 years and has Asthma, he is more vulnerable than a 60 year old without any ailment.

That's why it's ravaging the blacks who don't take health serious and don't even know they have unfavorable medical ailments.

Trust me, Am a die hard follower of Trump. He is just shifting attention. I know him well. He is buying time with this new immigration

dominusgai:
Sorry, please my data is low and I don't watch videos for now.

What did everybody do?

Downplayed the virus

Saying it does not exist.

It's a normal flu

Don't panic

It's an exergeration

Bit nobody cares about what anybody said. The president is the one on the hot seat. So blaming Democrats, press, Republicans or China is childish.

I could have said I had the cure then, would he believe me and maintain boarded opened. Anybody can say anything, what makes you a leader is to work with your experts and cabinet to bring about cutting edge prevention and mitigation plans.

But it's too late now. Fighting-on is all that can be done now.

dominusgai:
Sir, granted they told people not to worry about it, but they also told people in the same statement that all what they said will be possible if they follow CDC guidelines. Guess who told everybody to ignore CDC guidelines, Nancy Pelosi, the mayor of new York, the governor of new York, their head of environment.

When the CDC was telling people to avoid crowded places, when the Republicans were telling the country that everything will be alright if they adhered to CDC recommendations, Democrats were telling their constituency to ignore CDC recommendations, to keep going to Chinatown, to take the subway, to keep hugging Chinese people. And guess where the hotspots are, Democrat states mostly.

Tell me, how should Trump have handled Democrats undermining his recommendations? If Democrats have told their people to adhere to CDC recommendations encouraged by Trump, would it have been this bad?

What I showed you was before the first case of Corona virus in the US. Before CDC guidelines.

You getting it wrong. This states are not saying don't follow guidelines, they are not opened to buisness in the first place. They want a decline before they open their state.

So the idea that they told them to ignore is false. It's a sit at home thingy and essential buisnesses excluded.

dominusgai:
Sir please do your research, have you noticed they stopped giving information on deaths outside corona virus since it came. In fact one can argue they are deliberately hiding the figures.

Anyhow, here is a fun fact, despite the corona virus deaths, despite the fact they are racking up all deaths to corona virus if they find you have the virus in your system after death (even though you have cancer) the current death rate is still lower than the normal average before corona virus. Do not take my word for it, do your own research.

The fun thing with Veto power is that without evidence supporting the Veto power, Congress and Senate can vote against it. Does a president just battling impeachment really want to enter a battle of veto's?

Then outside veto, you have the law, should he have banned flights earlier without evidence a lot of people would have sued the government and won. Remember they sued him when he banned flights from Muslim countries and forced him to reverse it.

And even with the evidence, do you know Democrats were bringing a bill that would have stripped him of his power to ban flights?

The president is not as powerful as you think in US, and for good reason.

You are the only one contesting figures. No one is contesting figures presently cos they now know it's real.

Trump you said bam Muslim countries . You don't know Trump. He banned poor Muslim countries we have little or no affiliation to terrorism.

Did you see him list Saudi Arabia? No, Saudi is in hot romance with USA like never before.

Kuwait, Qatar, Oman... ? It was not transparent. Saudi has more links to terrorism than Nigeria and we almost fell on the list.

You are talking from a far different perspective. Even Trump is not using it as an excuse. That because they wanted to strip him, that's why he held back. He dare not say such.

Is it not same Democrats that are exposing him that he got Intel in November? After placing ban on flights, 40k passengers landed on US soil from China, was it Democrats?

This not a time to shift blames but take responsibility. If the economy finally opens and all goes well, it's fine for all. If a spike happens, he will be held responsible. That's what he fails to note.

Now he has banned immigration, did anybody query him? He is the president. He will be held accountable for his actions

dominusgai:
Sir, imagine me telling you to drop your phone at home because someone might steal it later in the day. Will you listen to me? I don't think so, because while my concern is valid, I lack evidence.

Now imagine me telling you same thing after you have heard a gunshots in the area, would you listen to me? I think you would, because now, even though you have not been robbed, you have seen evidence that you could be robbed.

Sir, the only reason Trump could act on a later day without backlash from Congress was because at a later date there was evidence the disease was a threat. And even at that, Democrats brought a bill to the house wanting to remove that power from him.

There was nothing Trump could have done without sufficient evidence to support it, and as of November/December, the evidence was not just there. Without evidence. Veto power can be voted against. Did you really expect Trump not to lose a battle of Veto during an impeachment trial?

Come on now.

Everybody did, Fox, Democrat, Republicans. Check on YouTube. Loads of them

If I showed you CNN, you will say it's fake. This is fox news


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ifKbwDf51bA


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NAh4uS4f78o

dominusgai:
Sir, imagine me telling you to drop your phone at home because someone might steal it later in the day. Will you listen to me? I don't think so, because while my concern is valid, I lack evidence.

Now imagine me telling you same thing after you have heard a gunshots in the area, would you listen to me? I think you would, because now, even though you have not been robbed, you have seen evidence that you could be robbed.

Sir, the only reason Trump could act on a later day without backlash from Congress was because at a later date there was evidence the disease was a threat. And even at that, Democrats brought a bill to the house wanting to remove that power from him.

There was nothing Trump could have done without sufficient evidence to support it, and as of November/December, the evidence was not just there. Without evidence. Veto power can be voted against. Did you really expect Trump not to lose a battle of Veto during an impeachment trial?

Come on now.

One question will always be asked in any scenario where their is a leaders. Did he act or was just thinking of consequences?

At this stage, who takes sole responsibility? The leader.

Do you follow Fox news, They also downplayed it. Republicans downplayed it on TV saying it's just a normal flu.

Anybody could have said anything. They not the president. When the heat comes down, it comes to the president. Who is addressing the people now, the president. Who is facing the press, the president. No one will blame Democrats or Republicans that down played it.

Nobody is even taking about those that downplayed it now. The whole attack is on Trump. That he failed to note.

Let me see if I can get videos of people downplaying the virus before it got to the US.

dominusgai:
Sir, if not for the news from Italy, Congress would have heard a bill limiting Trump's power from banning flights.

There is not much Trump can do outside Congress and Senate.

And would you guys stop this at the expense of human lives nonsense.

It is not the economy vs lives it is lives vs lives.
It is people committing suicides from loosing their homes and businesses as a result of the lockdown.

It is people divorcing and breaking homes as a result of the strain from the lockdown.

It is people unable to pay their medical bills and dying from a result of the lockdown.

It is people robbing from loosing their livelihood as a result of the lockdown.

As for Trump downplaying it, granted he knew by November, but here he was battling an impeachment, do you expect him to have closed the border during the impeachment battle and given the Democrats more arsenal to battle him with?

Please, can you give a solution he would have taken that the Democrats would not have blocked before now.

Here he was asking Americans to stay at home and follow CDC guidelines, but Pelosi went to Chinatown and told people, openly told people to disregard him. All the Democrats governors did the same thing. Did you notice that all the hotspots are in Democrat states and cities? The same Democrats that told their people to disregard Trump. Tell me, how should he have handled that?

And of death rate spikes? What will be your conclusion. You didn't address that.

When did Democrats tell people to disregard Trump? Trump himself downplayed Corona before arrival. Toyed with it.

It's democracy. He has veto powers. Excluding bail out packages he got approval for, what other move has he made that he got approval? He uses same power.

So why the delay? He joked with it.

9jaDoomCountry:
You sound anti-Trump.



How I wish we have someone like hin in aso rock

Give me reasons why you like Trump. Don't get fake by what he tells you. 90% are lies.

Build a wall Mexico will pay for?
China tarriffs that consumers are paying for?
International diplomacy? America made more enemies under Trump

Immigration was the only thing he got right!

It's still a government for the rich.

dominusgai:
Sir, have you noticed something is missing in all these, the death rate outside Covid-19. Do you know even now currently with the corona virus deaths, the overall death rate now is lower than the average in all the places,

People die, and 42,000 death rate in 7 weeks was actually 857 deaths per day. Please do not take my word for it, google the normal death rates of those places before corona virus, tell me if it is lower or higher.

Are you saying 42k in seven weeks is healthy, with 13k + coming from one state. No... That's outrageous. It's not war.

dominusgai:
So let me get this straight, he was fighting an impeachment, and you expect him to have ordered the border closure when battling the impeachment, something the Democrats would have countered immediately and used as more asernal in pursuing the impeachment.

Hmm, one simple question, do you recall when he stopped flights from China Democrats presented a bill to remove that power from his hand?

You are sounding like Trump. Does impeachment hold him back from reading reports and taking decisive actions. Okay, Democrats attacked, didn't he finally ban and still allowed 40k travellers from China to the USA after ban was in place. It all came late.

He did what he should have done earlier without consultation. He will stop immigration to the USA today, did he get approval to do that or used his veto power? That's a cheap political excuse that impeachment held him back or people were complaining. Are people not complaining now.

It takes great skills to become a leader and scenarios like this only opens the weak and fragile. He is feared by his subordinates and why revelations won't come out now cos no one wants to be sacked. The fragility of his cabinet is exposed to all. Every one of them is extra ordinarily careful with his words.

dominusgai:
Chairman sir, you seem to forget that unlike here in Nigeria where the president can do as he likes without reprimand from the Congress, there are a lot of things Trump can't do without Senate approval.

Trump blocked flights from China and Europe on time. Do you know their Congress passed a bill wanting to remove his ability to do that?

Trump asked Americans to adhere to CDC guidelines on time, do you know Nancy Pelosi went to China town and told people to disregard every recommendations from Trump and celebrate in Chinatown?

Please en, can you can you categorically state out what other actions he could have taken earlier that the Democrats will not have blocked?

You talking about the President of the US here. He does not require the Senate to do that. When he did, did he get approval. The political and media foolishness got America to where it stands today. That I can never dispute several Republicans, Democrats and Media outlets downplayed it. Trump ignored, downplayed and boasted about it to no avail. From 1 to 15, and now 42k in less than 6weeks.

Pelosi can blame the president, Coumo can, or anybody else. Who is Trump going to blame as the president? That's what he failed to realise and that Democrats are capitalising on. His failures. Economy grounded, stocks in a mess up, deficit piling up.

And Trump need open economy at the expense of human life's to clean up. It's not all about the economy. It's for political gains

dominusgai:
Bro, I have every idea of reality, people are not as scared as you think, particularly now they have had time to do nothing and think.


They are not dumb sir, they have actually thought the information on their own. They are not like Nigeria that believes everything people say because they use the title scientists. Now let me give you the facts they have seen.

This is the truth they have come to realize

1) The sickness is fatal to less than 5% of infected.

2) All scientists that screamed murder have admitted that all the model used in the beginning was exaggerated and the death rate will never have gotten to that point.

3) Antegen testing proves that much more people have already gotten it, meaning the infection rate is way higher and thus the death rate way lower.

4) That a lot of states are practically racking up all their deaths to covid-19. New York went as for as to add over 3500 deaths, without testing to that of Covid-19

5) Those most dying are a particular age group meaning specific solution can be tailored to protect those people.

With all these, you expect people to watch their source of livelihood drain, years of building disappear, probably lose their homes from being unable to pay mortgage, their relationships strained from being able to provide for their families,

bro, the lockdown was based on false models that they have realized is faulty, they have sense enough to challenge it.

Let's imagine states are racking up counts, does it warrant 42k death in 7 weeks?


Less than 5million tested in 350 million and you gunning for opening the economy.

The most dying are people with underlying ailment which is common to old people. Reasons why you can see blacks of all age groups falling victims the most.

The model was a projection which has failed, but as it stands with reality, the graph just flattened and their must be a considerable drop to assure people.

It's easier to say let them open the economy. I can say it too of I won't be in the fore-front. Of am allowed to work from home, it's okay by me. But that will be selfish of me. Do you know how many police, fire fighters, doctors, nurses, public transportation drivers and grocery shop attendant that have most their life's. Now you want to flood the places again when you not even having figures that warrant you to do such.

All this people protesting are the most cautious people. They just have self believe they can't be infected and trying to push others.

jaxxy:
Not only trump, democrats are feeding on it, u need to see obama's page, everybody is playing politics, using it to attack trump at every turn rather than findind ways that work.

Truth is a permanent lockdown "indefinitely" is not neccesssary. Too many things suffer at dsame time. The whole of China was never on lockdown. Just wuhan and few others.

Total lockdown has way to many disadvantages. It shud only be done for a month max depending on the situation to get testings done and formulate new and best strategies to move forward and gradually reopon the economy, not remain in perpetual fear and shock. That's what Trump is saying and trying to do.

If people are not sick or tested positive they must wear mask, wash hands at every public engagement and observe social distancing. Life shud return in phases.

Being Stationary and on total lockdown is not healthy at all especially for long periods. The economy also suffers. How to reopen in phases is neccesssary right now.

You can't just open the economy without instilling confidence in people. The truth is that the pandemic has eaten deep into America. 4 million plus tested in 350 million. And by Dr. Fauci, the curve is just beginning to flatten and their should be a considerable drop to signal opening the economy.

Japan tried this model and they paid for it. China has not disclosed any truth about what really happened in their domain, it's all lies. China never allowed the virus past Wuhan and yet international flights departed Wuhan. And if you saying we go by same statistics, what's the toll in China and what is in the US presently. It's not logical or feasible.

It's easy to say people should get back to work, but you can't force them to work when they net assured. Wash hand, gave and leg has been preached and numbers keep climbing. Imagine it's a free world, people will die in thousands.

This lock down has been used by countries and it worked. The whole anxiety about re opening is just for political gains.

dominusgai:
It will shock you. You think everybody is scared? Scared for a sickness that is fatal to less than 5% of infected people?

People will go back to work end mass.

Easier said than done. Trust me, you have no idea about reality. You need to stare at one and I can tell you, your mentality will change.

People are scared but everybody is acting strong. If work should resume today, many will give excuses they want to work from home. Parents won't take their kids to school. Less people will fly that it will be almost a loss for airlines. In all sectors, many will hold back. Forget all this media bragging. Oyinbo fear pass blacks. He can park his car in office premises and be working from inside. He won't enter office.

The fact that no known cure is the fear people have. Parents don't want to go to work and come home to infect their kids.

Varying perspectives though, but it's certain that no one wants to die

Vulcan24:
Bro.... Everyone was fooled by WHO untill it was late.

China has a history of killing information remember they are chronic abusers of FOI
Trump did a good job

A good job. Highest death and infected toll in the world. That's something to boast about.

You don't know Trump, he has shifted blame to Democrats, Press, Governor's, China and it's now WHO. He never takes responsibility for anything.

So we can say he ignored intelligence report and went with that of WHO. It's just a cover up. His friends dropped stocks before the market crash. Does that tell you something?

The pandemic is even a money spindling venture for his sponsors and why Democrats are holding back the new bailouts. They benefiting the most from the bail out. An average American gets peanut and pays more taxes. Its like the poor paying the rich

jollymizzle:
I'm not surprised. I gave up on telling people how extra ordinarily dumb and stupid a lot of Americans are because a lot of people just couldn't belive the greatest country in the history of the world shockingly has lots of stark illiterates.if you want to know what being extremely stupid is, go to redneck areas in texas, or those areas you have mostly black/Hispanic communities. Then you will know that while America has a good educational system, the people who take most advantage of it are usually immigrants. Let me give a simple example, trump told Americans that China was paying for the tariffs and most of his uneducated supporter base swallowed it even without knowing what it means except since trump said it and making America great again is all that matters. you could get a heart attack trying to explain the meaning of word tariff.Guys you may hate your country all you want and of course many have the right to because let's face it, Nigeria hasn't really provided lots of opportunities for its citizens. However with that price also comes a boon,most of us know our right from left, most are streets art and can survive anywhere, lots of us rise above a certain level that's why a serious minded Nigerian will make it in America easily, however it may be that in a few months, American visa wouldn't be as attractive as it once was. News flash, civil unrest might start in America anytime soon, some communities are already forming militias

Sincerely, you not far from the truth.

Vulcan24:
Crying more than the bereaved.... as it is in ur zoo so u think it's everywhere ?

You have a right to your opinion and belief.

jeebz:
When he restricted flights from China, he was called Xenophobic. Even the media downplayed it, WHO said there is no person to person transmission. I tell you, handling a pandemic in a. Country like the USA is no mean feat, given the nature of the country and the fact that you don't want to come across as authoritarian.

Are you aware of America's intelligence. Trump just using WHO to cover up of recent. WHO's report was not in the picture till he was boxed to the wall. They knew the extent of this damage. Let's imagine they never knew the extent, but could issue a warning to Israel and NATO. Does it make sense?

Trump had the reports and power to act, it's all for economic gains to score political points. Also, if he was called Xenophobic then, his he not doing what ought to have been done earlier by stopping immigration? He is the no 1 man. Drastic situations require drastic measures irrespective of what anybody thinks or feels, cos at the end of the day, you will take the credit or blame, solely.

nextstep:
That's the hard part... half the population would have been unhappy either way. People are protesting now in spite of the strong medical evidence for lockdown. They certainly would have howled louder if the lockdown was imposed earlier.

Based on information available in February, there was general consensus by America's health professionals that it would not get so bad. The business community insisted on running, people insisted on traveling, and economists insisted that shutting down things prematurely might be worse for the country... if he ran counter to that, the American public would have had his head.

Not a fan of Trump, but honestly, no leader can navigate this issue unscathed. He isn't helping matters by aggravating anybody and everyone who does not kowtow to him, but man... it's just tough.

Trump was given a detailed intelligence report with recommendation to shut down boarders. The economic impact was gruesome and why he neglected it.

When in read on Israeli times that USA gave them Intel in November last year, I was weak. This was a well planned out if ignorance.

If he had done earlier, The economy would be opened by now and the count can never be close to what's on ground now. Same economy you trying to protect has been grounded. So whats the gain of the delay. Now you have a crashed economy and high death and infected toll.

Let this pandemic pass over, I believe alot of revelations still in stock. America got Intel about this pandemic early enough. It was downplayed.

nextstep:
It must be really hard to be a leader:
if you don't lock down and people die, you get blamed.
if you lock down and people remain healthy enough to protest, you stilll get blamed.

A leader needs to be proactive and have open ears to experts. He is not a man of all trade. That's the failures of Trump.

He downplayed, underated and still boasted about preparedness. At first hit, America caved in.

This same America warned Israel in November about this pandemic and ignored the reports for economic gains.

And price all Americans have to pay.

Imperare:
I think trump is playing politics with this covid19

It's all politics.

He needs to score a point against next election at the expense of human life's.

Even if the economy is opened, how many people are ready to risk it. This pandemic will alter human ways for a long time till a cure is found.

This development might explode Canada and UK's population.

God bless Hitler.

Even if you open it, where are you flying to

pfadom:
Cite the source of the information or we consider it FAKE NEWS!!!

It's 100.

True

It's becoming scary...


Doom at sight.

I pity Nigeria. If it goes worse. It's gonna be catastrophic

Wike was right

Criminals from Anambra are now going to other states to perpetrate crime.