BlueMagnificent:


Development has actually been moving at an impressive pace. At the Official DARKDOVE forum there are roughly 13 members, me inclusive, but unfortunately majority are inactive. The contributors currently are myself and one of our newest members who has really done a lot to enhance Drone Anarchy.

From your earlier post there seems to be some misconception about the current development in DARKDOVE. We are currently not working on the Main DARKDOVE Project which is Incub8:Eve, instead we are running series of incremental experiments and tests of Urho3D's capability as a proof of concept in the form of Drone Anarchy.

2013 damn! Where was I then?
Dude, Am I late to the party?
I'd love to join the project.
C++! Finally, people who don't run away from it.
Where is it hosted?
*EDITED*
Seen it.
I'll see how much I can contribute coz I'm neck-deep in libGDX.

Reyginus:
Stop it please. I am not that kind of debater. My question again is:
Does that mean every scientific speculation and every thought yet to be made factual is delusion?

Speculation is there for speculation sake. That's the reason why it is called hypothesis in Science. It is nothing until it gets proven with facts, evidence, empirical studies that can be tested again and again and still give the same result. Mind you speculations are based on observations of physical phenomena. You guys are not speculating, you are claiming god exists without any physical evidence. That's delusional!

UyiIredia:
You're welcome to respond to the arguments in the OP. I would welcome a challenge.

*clears throat*
1.) Mentions of intelligent design everywhere. It is intelligent, it is organised, it is chaotic. Whatever! This claim that something is intelligent is still based on our own intelligence. Even if it has an intelligent design, that doesn't mean it was handcrafted or puffed out by some being. The being that designed everything must have been designed by another designer which also must have been designed by another designer. I sense an infinity series here, so let me just stop.
2.) Your use of natural is cloudy. Genetic code is as a result of adaptation and evolution! Future humans will be more evolved genetically, and more intelligent and probably there won't be any religious person left then.
3.) Believe it or not, consciousness is as a result of the electrical activities in your brain. Everything goes on in the brain. It is material-based. What makes you think it's not? You could also ask the same question about how we see: photons, retina, CNS and the brain. However, this is still an ongoing research, but your consciousness does not exclude your brain.
What am I missing here?

Reyginus:
That mean every scientific speculation is delusion?

OOOOOH! You people have come again. Science is obviously based on facts and evidence. Religion is not. Where are you going with this?

Reyginus:
So in essence, whatever is not based on evidence or fact is delusion?

Chikena! What do you think we've been trying to say since?

UyiIredia:
That isn't proof. What's the basis for inferring bacteria-to-man evolution from the way organisms develop ? None, except an assumption of evolution beforehand.

Huh? You didn't see any proof from the link I gave you?
"The critical piece of evidence came in 1994, when paleontologists found the fossilized remains of Ambulocetus natans, an animal whose name literally means "swimming-walking whale." Its forelimbs had fingers and small hooves but its hind feet were enormous given its size. It was clearly adapted for swimming, but it was also capable of moving clumsily on land, much like a seal."
You are starting to sound moot again. The way you guys tackle science and still accept some of its other concept astound me. Religion has given us no proof except old books and "have faith". Science is covering grounds trying to understand phenomena, religion has not left the same spot.

denigma2:

When would atheists ever realise that the existence of God and Science are not parallel lines.?
Science discovers some ( not all) of what God created. Is that difficult to decipher?
The galaxies, planets, earth and all you mentioned where discovered by man through scientific methods? Yes. Who created them?
The issue is not the existence of the Big Bang. The issue is who created the Big Entity that made the Bang?
And to your question about the universe being self-existent because God is self-existent, note that your inability to admit the limitations of your knowledge about all things in existence is the major problem

The fact that we keep on discovering things about the Universe on a daily basis shoułd point out to you that there are much more that we are ignorant about.

You still contradict yourself. If we don't know everything (which we don't) and our knowledge is limited (which it is), then why is your own knowledge that claims god exist even valid? Dude, in this world we all rely on our knowledge. If we don't, we won't be on NL sharing our views.

KingEbukasBlog:

You watch lots of movies though . Nothing can obliterate the human race . The aim of what you read and watch is to give you the impression that there is no God . Use your head !

So you don't believe AI can surpass human intelligence? Wow, people are so ignorant in this part of the world. As a game dev, trust me AI will surpass human intelligence eventually and maybe one day decide to obliterate mankind. Pls do some research into AI before you talk further about the field.

KingEbukasBlog:

I never asked for the explanation of the theory , I asked for the initial conditions of the theory.

Nothingness maybe. And that's why I still question why anything exists. You can't attribute that to anything really.

KingEbukasBlog:

God "resides" outside time and space - in a different dimension as winner01 described

*sighs* You are one tough nut to crack.
You made some interesting points and you've gotten me to think even deeper. But some things still do not make sense!
Even he does exist then why hasn't he made any effort to prove his existence? So he left his creations alone to deal with the chaos he created in the first place?
One more thing, the way you mentioned dimensions shows you don't have an inkling about dimensions. I'm a mathematician and if god does exist in a higher dimension than ours (which is 3D) then a part of him should exist in this dimension. That also means he can never look like humans. However if your "different dimension" means a parallel dimension, then there is no way he could have made contact with our dimension nor create it.

KingEbukasBlog:

Isaiah 41:10

Science strives to explain, religion just tells you to believe what it says.
So you believe everything some guys you never know concocted up thousand or hundreds of years ago. Bible is obviously flawed, and as a 21st century man, you are very positive that it hasn't gone through edits along those years? And you are very sure the world was created just some thousands of years ago?

KingEbukasBlog:

Sperm and ova that arose naturally ? Wow !

KingEbukasBlog:

Confirmed

You contradict yourself here. If you acknowledge sperm and ova, why did you give me that picture about science.
It also applies to religion bro. We have also discovered that people will believe anything religious leaders or some ancient religious scribbles says.

UyiIredia:

Science has given no proof of evolution.

What happened to modern evolutionary synthesis, developmental systems theory? You give some thought-probing points but you are not doing well here.

KingEbukasBlog:

some robots are designed in the likeness of man , are we safe to describe man as robot-like ? - thats me reasoning like you though
God - "superhuman" "superman"
man- "superobot" "turbomechman" "supertinman

So because man created robots, man too must be created by something. Actually no one is really disputing that. Sperms and ova did the job.
We don't just create robots and hide away from it. Another thing you don't know is that Robots, AI can be developed to surpass our intelligence and ultimately destroy the human race. Humans are physical, robots are physical, we reside in the same space and time. Why is god not physical? If humans are capable of cloning, then god should be able to create another version of himself. Which means there could be more of the same god right?
Your analogy is going to break your logic, so think carefully before you reply.

KingEbukasBlog:


Meaning you lied about following my posts on this thread , because being a creator/intelligent designer isnt the only description of God I gave on here.

B... but .. but ... You still haven't given the initial conditions of the big bang I asked for

That the universe expanded from a singularity, an extremely hot and dense state, to sub-atomic particles and then to atomic particles which keeps expanding and grows into complex formations that represent the universe. I'm not very good in the theory of relativity, but this description given by scientists (who have been given us facts rather myths) is good enough for me. You guys are only simplifying and objectifying the concept. There is no human-like being behind any of it.
I still question BBT though, but it still makes sense to me more than the one you are giving me right now.

KingEbukasBlog:

Now that's when religion plays it role and not science - it provides answers to the question "Why? " , "Who did it ? ". Who orchestrated this amazing project - the design of the universe and why (Religion) . How was this project carried out ( Science) . Never conflict the roles of Science and Religion in life

So religion answered the question by assuming some human-like being made it and then advices people follow that assumption. Amazing response.

denigma2:

You know the limitation of the human eye interms of light intensity, grasp, visibility etcetera just as you know the limitations of other organs and those of other animals.
If the fact that you can't feel the texture of Pluto as a planet but you feel you should be able to know the origin and location of the Creator of the Milky Way doesn't amuse you, nothing will

You guys don't always make sense in your arguments and it says sth about how you reason. I even wonder why you use concepts proven by scientists to claim the existence of god. Here you mention planets and galaxies, but you refuse to accept the Big Bang Theory.
Before you, christains have always claimed that god lives in the sky, now that science has taken man beyond earth's stratosphere, you guys are now giving us the bullsh*t story that he is invisible and he's everywhere.
And please don't give us the recurring crap that he is self-existent.
If he can be self-existent, why can't the universe be self-existent?

KingEbukasBlog:

Its like knowing an answer (presence of fossils) to a question in math ( modern man & animals ) , you dont know how to get the answer and you had to develop a very convincing shitty solution to the question (evolution ) . C'mon ... you did that sh.it in sec sch .. didnt you

I've been following your responses on this thread and I can safely say you are giving excuses for not using your logic and thinking deeply about everything. Science aside. How the heck can god just materialise ex nihillo and think the next thing for him to do is create an almost empty universe just to put some humans on some earth where some guys on nairaland will be arguing about his existence? That doesn't sound very intelligent to me.
The reason for anything to exist is a question in itself and it baffles me always, but I don't weakly attribute it to a god. Doing that defies the logic. BBT is the best description I've gotten so far.
Seriously why would anything even exist in the first place?

Aloodunayo:
Is python good enough for developing games I'm better at programming with Python.

Depends on the platform and the type of game you want to develop. What platform are you developing for? Is it a 3D or 2D game?

What a pity, now he's back to square one.
Arguments and opinions shouldn't be your major influent. You have to figure it out yourself. I can only give you my little opinion here. It's eventually up to you to decide.
Yeah, Nigeria is full of religious people and that's because it has a religious foundation. Atheists and agnostics have only learnt to reason for themselves.
I was born into Christian family, brought up the Christian way. As I grew up, however, I was questioning things I was not meant to think about cos they were considered devilish. And surrounded by 100% religious ppl, I hid away my curiousity. Eventually, this didn't stop me from reasoning myself. But then I feared if I was being used by the devil and questioned why some prophets still see things they don't know about, why miracles happen to some people. To tell you the truth I've not fully figured that part out, but the fulfilling thing is I'm free to think and reason beyond the boundaries of the bible.
If the reason you are going back to religion is because so many ppl around you are religious and you still have the implicit fear that god will punish you if he does exist, then you are making a big mistake. In fact, fear is something you shouldn't allow. It is the reason why so many people are still religious. Follow your logic. Learn about other people, other religions. Don't be gullible and follow everything you are told.
Anyway, if god does exist there are still some holes left to be filled. If god created us, then how did he come to be, he couldn't have created himself? can the bible pass through 2000+ years without any edits? Adam and Eve were the first couple yet their children married from another community? The fact is, the bible is flawed and you shouldn't rely on it for any reasoning. Mind you quran copied some part of the bible and edited it, how are you sure the bible ,as it is, is not another copy of some ancient scriptures?
It is up to you to decide bro.

CaptainJune:


That the complexity of design has an intelligent designer behind it is suddenly.......irrational?

Designers designing designers. Crazy right?
When you start thinking about it for a deep thinker, it starts to hurt your brain, more reason for crazy religious ppl to throw their story books into fire.
If you know maths, then you know taking 1 out of infinity still gives you infinity.
There is simply no god as you guys purport. Quit wasting your time in churches and start reasoning.

marshalcarter:

Who created those man and woman?

So u are implying the g-word created us?
I think I will go with evolution given the proofs Science has submitted so far.
Seriously, if you can't give us one proof of where he's currently residing then you are wasting your finger-energy on this thread. There are zillions of christain threads around where you can exchange your mythical views.
If you hope to win any soul on this thread with quotes from your tales-by-moonlight book, then you are up for a long thing.
Provide proofs and you will get our attention.
I'm starting to think you are enjoying this, and so am I.

Akoja360:
#Not being goood at maths...

Depending on what aspect of the software industry you are interested in and the logic of your application, you may actually not need more than secondary school maths.
But it's best to understand some areas in maths, they always come in handy when troubleshooting tricky problems.
For me, as a graphics programmer, I had to learn algebra, trig, set, calculus, matrices, linear algebra, complex number and quats. Ultimately, you don't learn them just because you need them, but in order to understand their relationships with the practical world and make useful deductions from that.

MuhammaduBuhari:
Na wa o

What are you waiting for! HTML, javascript, CSS, node.js, SQL, mongoDB, jquery. Anything?

marshalcarter:

Still in love with ma GOD...cum let's praise him 2geda...blv me it'll be fun...nd the word of GOD aint stupid :p

Knew it **Reply Incoming**.
Dude, believe me, I can't be convinced, I've already tasted religion and it is damn sour. And there is nothing fun about wasting the precious percentage of my life screaming to nonexistent entity.
Sorry, no fact, no consideration.
And pls stop acting like you are being nice.
You hate my motion, I hate your motion.

marshalcarter:
Atheism-the most dumbest word ever heard
.
Oga berra start blvn in GOD ooo....heaven is real

Just like you are the *most* dumbest kid on this block. How many of your likes do you see here anyway. This is question for atheists to answer.
So kindly pick up your stupid bible and run along.
**RI**

Nice site man. Did u develop it urself?

Religious people. Lovely job so far.
Keep quoting ancient scripts while I lean back and crunch popcorn.
BTW, two thousand years, no edits, no copy-and-pastes. I can totally rely on such books.

chikweezy:
Wen u guys are done, u'll leave the thread in peace.

But we are just getting started.
Actually I see it the other way round. It is you guys getting tired and Nigerians learning to see for themselves (perhaps not in our generation). Your mythical stories about how god puffed out the earth and how the first couple populated the earth by coupling with neighboring communities (WTF!) cannot hold forever.
So go back to your lovely bible and leave the alliance alone.
Science rocks! F**k creationism!

*DELETED*

MuhammaduBuhari:
Ban!

Damn.
@Seun We need dhtml18 back. He keeps the programming thread lively, albeit entrolltaining.

kefedmayor:
Nairalanders,I have an idea of bringing my idea into a reality

Funny way to use English language.
Your question is also not clear as to what platform you are aiming at and what type of app you want to create.
If you however intend to develop the app yourself, depending on the complexity, you may only need your laptop and/or developer's fee (which also depends on target plaform or OS)
If you want to outsource the project. Then you can spend...

DonSegmond:
Anywhere from N10,000 to N1,000,000,0000.

I've been following the programming section for quite a while now, and most of the contents I've seen center around web development, app development and database management. I hardly see threads on game dev which is somewhat surprising considering the number of game developers I see elsewhere, so I would like to know if my guys are still in the building or are they too busy debugging engines and reading up physics textbooks?
If you are a game developer (desktop, mobile, console, web, handheld, footheld, anything) and you are passing by, just say hi before you run away. Let the other game nerds know they are not alone here.

I'm so tired of the religious sh*t that get spewed out at me everyday. It's quite a relief seeing a few number of people that do not subscribe to bullshit.
How many religious people are in this country? Kudos guys, keep doing your thing, let's get rid of the superstitious wave that is disturbing the proper thinking of this people.
It's good to be free. The burden is lifted.

Religion remains the other problem of Nigeria

Nice write-up. I totally agree with you on the debugging aspect. Humongous brain killer!
I can assure you apps are easier to debug, switch to my lane and you'd spend half of your life debugging the inner parts of a game engine and the rest feeling miserable.
Debugging is killing the fun of discovery and creativity. Plugging in assorted libraries, refactoring codes, writing build scripts, etc. all of these activities that contribute nothing to the logic of the application actually take most of our time. But we still have to do it anyway.
Beware newbies!
@kncokolo BTW, what school are you taking your CS courses?