₦airaland Forum

andrewza:
Now you say UK see if you started with UK you would be correct. Britain is not UK UK is not Britain. There is a big difference that one would know if he spoke to people there. I spoke in depth with a Protestant Northern Irish Royal Marine LtCol ret who served during the troubles. Dont call him a Brit he does not fight for Britain but fought for the UK.

The fact you said there was insurrection in Britain is why i said you unqualified to call some one idiotic. If you said UK i would have ignored your post like i ignore most posts here.

Lol... Andrew.. Aren't you just ignorant.

UK is nothing more than a British empire.

Britain controls the military and provides security to the union. You can disproof that if you wish

British government and troops took over the insurgency war in northern Ireland and Thatcher was the commander in chief you ignoramus

DieVluit:
[s]Look! It's link after link now. For as long as you cannot deal with the fact that Ireland had its own army, you cannot do away with Andrew's argument that Ireland was a distinct land. Nothing like what is happening in Nigeria[/s].

Still unable to dispute Britain fought insurgency and failed for 20 years in it's borders.

I don't deal with petty divertive rubbish

These south Africans are very foolish in thinking.

Insurgency is insurgency regardless of the cause because every militant fights for a different cause.

Islamic insurgency
Insurgency born from secessionist movement
Insurgency born from racial apartheid etc...

Britain fought insurgency in it's borders for 20 years (you fools couldn't dispute that).

Now you fools are shifting to "how does BH relate to a secessionist insurgency having agrees Britain failed to defeat it for 20 good years.

Dumb Zulus I tells ya

DieVluit:
[s]You cannot cancel something out without reading it. Physically impossible. We still are waiting for a coherent argument from you on how the IRA story justifies Nigeria's failures[/s].

Don't have time for petty arguments

andrewza:
There was no insurgency in Britain.

It used guerrilla tactics against the British Army and RUC in both rural and urban areas. It also carried out a bombing campaign in Northern Ireland and England against what it saw as political and economic targets. The IRA called a final ceasefire in July 1997
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Provisional_Irish_Republican_Army

http://theantimedia.org/profiles-in-insurgency-the-irish-republican-army/

For someone in the military who cannot identify what an insurgency is, you seem better off as a navy kitchen cook that you are

DieVluit:
[s]Very smart of you to respond to "no content:".

You asked for the "shifting" of arguments, which clearly is an acceptance that you are begging us to move from the US example to your Britain one.

Only problem is, you are yet to show us how what happened in the Uk justifies Nigeria's failures at home.

Whenever you are ready, with thanks. You mean, the secessionist issue that the UK was dealing with. Pray tell, how is that similar to the BH issue[/s]?

Couldn't finish reading. No content

andrewza:
There was no insurgency in Britain. There was terrorism there yes but the insurrection took place in Ireland. Any body unable to grasp the fact that Britain and Ireland are not the same is not qualfied to call any body a idiotic. [s]Not to mention Ireland had been fighting for independence on and off since 1536 when the English re-conquer Ireland. The UK successfully resolved the issue through diplomacy mutch like South Africa delt with there issues[/s].

Northern Ireland, a part of the United Kingdom, is emerging from a period of conflict known as "the Troubles" and is attempting to implement an historic peace deal
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/country_profiles/4172307.stm

I guess I'm qualified to call you an id1ot then

DieVluit:
Well done for dropping the US example. Proud of you for taking counsel from South Africans. We note your desire to "shift" arguments.

Let us know if you want to now start afresh and take arguments on Britain.

Wow!!! Six lines yet no content.

And if you can quote where I used the US example I would gladly accept taking correction from a feeble minded saffer. I promise

Let me know if you oppose that Britain fought insurgency unsuccessfully for 20 years in it's borders and I'll be glad to school your small ignorant mind.

patches689:
2.That is not what france is doing

Words from the French government. Not Nigerians.

Read carefully

According to Gen. Gormert , “In the area of geo- spatial intelligence, we will seriously rely on you to help us develop that capacity. We are in the process of setting up that department. It’s my first time in Abuja and it’s a good reason to visit you on Boko Haram and see how we can share
intelligence; that is the reason for my visit.” He stated further that, “I believe in building up capacity we must leverage on our capable partners like you to help us from the level which we were, to a higher level . “Like you know this phenomenon of global terrorism is catching all nations napping. It’s
something we did not prepare for including developing countries like Nigeria.

It's okay if it hurts your feelings. We expected it.

#butthurt

patches689:
US is operating abroad

NIgeria is operating at home.

If you cannot see the significance of this then this conversation is pointless

How about we shift focus to Britain that fought insurgency at home for 20 years despite being a super power.

Idiotic saffers still thinking with ur arsses

patches689:
Why am i butthurt that france wants to coordinate witg you?

According to Gen. Gormert , “In the area of geo- spatial intelligence, we will seriously rely on you to help us develop that capacity. We are in the process of setting up that department. It’s my first time in Abuja and it’s a good reason to visit you on Boko Haram and see how we can share
intelligence; that is the reason for my visit.” He stated further that, “I believe in building up capacity we must leverage on our capable partners like you to help us from the level which we were, to a higher level . “Like you know this phenomenon of global terrorism is catching all nations napping. It’s
something we did not prepare for including developing countries like Nigeria.

Read again before exposing how you feel about it. #butthurt

Centrifude:
Russians have been Violating Turkish Airspace for a while now, but I never thought the Turks would have the balls to attack. Things are about to get really interesting.

nothing will happen because an attack on turkey would lead a war with nato.

the smartest thing to do would be to spinsor insurrections as turkey is a deeply divided country.

let's wait and see what russia's reactions will be

chei... see tge kin babe wey i dey look for. nasty biattrcchh
unlike these pretentious biatchees roamung wild

nice

lionel4power:
What are you talking about? I was trying to show the world the great deeds of a Nigerian man... Did u even look at the pictures? Those Cities are also current Nigerian cities.

you are doing it on the wrong thread guy. take it somewhere else. this is a strictly military discussion threaf.

that shouldn't be difficult to comprehend

@lionel. this is a military thread and not a d1ck contest.
abeg don't spam it.

If this is true, I hope the government monitors this development and if possible, send in some special units to assist in the rescue operation.

I am not a Dangote employee but I feel there are some citizens that deserve this kind of attention in a situation. And Dangote is one of them.

That man has done a lot for this country and African economy so his life is important.

That is how a responsible government should respond.

May God keep him alive if true

C'mon guys... We all know when it comes to 9ja - SA argument, it never ends no matter who is right or wrong.

Please let's keep this thread clean as it should be and move the fight to the messier thread

aresa:
[s][/s]

Fcuck you and gej...

typical zombie

aresa:
Sai PMB

Sai Nigeria

Taaaa.... APC sensless zombie

isn't it funny that you APC zombies are shamlessly claiming the successful policies of a man you once called clueless.

Nigerians are on a long tin with this once chance administration

Henry240:
Truth is we don't.

2014 is the only time in 25years that we have purchased anything significant from Russia.

6x MI-35M,

12x MI-17 terminator 1sh, these are the only equipments we've purchased from Russia in 25 years. We don't actually buy from them.

Our main arms supplier is Ukraine.
China,
Israel,
Czech Republic
Belarus, make up the remaining top 5.


We even purchase more from France than Russia.

You're right. That's why I used the term "scarcely".

Israel has always been reliable and they would have sold those cobras to us if not for pressures from uncle Sam not to.

Same as the countries you listed but we rarely hear any acknowledgement from our government

We may not be getting supplies from Russia probably because it's cheaper not to, but their willingness to share COIN training with our sf commandos including providing support package which has been very useful on ground is something our government should not fail to acknowledge.

Patchesagain:
Ranger battalion never finished training - US/Nigeria pulled aid halfway through

The training was below par. It had to be cancelled and the cancellation was applauded in the Nigerian military circle.

It hadn't gone half way and there were problems already

1. Mutinous acts

2. US reluctance to provide equipments they claim these men will be trained to fight with

3. Defensive training rather than offensive (reason eben was brought in immediately the training was scrapped)

The training wasn't going to be useful especially at a time the military was planning a full scale offensive operations.

The program was bound to fail and the fact that it's end was applauded by the military proves it.

Look at what our boys came back from Russia with. Exactly what they were trained to fight with without the whole media hullabaloo and fake analysts telling us we won't be able to use them

Patchesagain:
What stats show they dont make the cut?

South Korea

Iraq

Afghanistan

UAE
http://archive.defensenews.com/article/20131125/DEFREG02/311250020/US-Firm-Aids-UAE-Military-s-Transformation

I have more proof if you want

Saudi Arabia
http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/agency/dod/usmtm.htm

Yemen

Failed Syrian rebel assistance program

You want more?

Henry240:
It is purely economics. Russia doesn't buy Nigerian oil, the west, and the U.S in particular used to be the main buyer of Nigerian oil. It's just the politics of business.


U.S training is no good, I mean, we've been here before, we've seen it. The stats are there to show that U.S trained forces do not make the cut.


It's not all bad with the Russians though, as they would be building our nuclear power plants.


Let me ask though, Do we actually buy from Russia?

You know after I saw your question I began to scratch my head to figure it out.

I believe we do. Perhaps scarcely considering the fact that we don't have a major arms supplier

@9jas. Does anyone know what has happened to the police spec ops program Jonathan imitated before leaving office? I'm not talking about MOPOL nor ATU

We've seen from the army but nothing from the police.

Henry240:
# Nigeria COIN

I always hear the Nigerian government giving props to US and western nations and not mentioning Russia when talking about those who stood by us.

While the Russian trained commandos seem to perform better than the US trained ranger battalion.

The Same thing happened during the civil war. We were abandoned by the west while the soviets backed us only for the war to end and we forgot about them.

Now this.

Henry240:
"Which is you won't consider that as FIBUA?"......... Konduga na bush?

The town is a built up area, they fought the insurgents there, same as in Bama, Mubi, Marte, Maiduguri, Gombe.

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My argument was as regards the complaint of that AMANI exercise should have been held in built up areas.

I believe the aim of the ATF is taking the fight to the enemy before they metamorphose to seizing territories.

I don't see anything wrong with the scenario that was provided.

When it comes to defending or fighting in urban areas, i believe the contributing armies should have been trained for that.

A cohesive organization of these different structures is the first step which they have achieved

Henry240:
That is were the actual Fighting is done. Konduga for example was attacked 13 times.

I wouldn't consider that FIBUA because BH were never allowed in. They were engaged in the open.

I like the arguments though. Someone can learn a thing or two

Henry240:
The Fightings in Kidal, Timbucktu, Gao and other Malian cities were what exactly?


Most of the engagements the Nigerian military has had with insurgents have been FIBUA and in close quarters, street-level figthings in urban areas and villages.

I'm really not in the mood to engage you in something you are clearly ignorant of.

As for the un-necessary abuse & gang-up on Agaugust, I find it rather unfortunate. Agaugust made important...... very important intelligent observations.

African militaries currently engaged in operations are not fighting an enemy in wide open fields, the engagements have all been street-level. We do not face a "Russia style" threat, I don't see why the training exercise would mirror that of an enemy you face in wide open fields.


Amani Africa II is in response to the lackluster deployment of African troops to Mali. The enemy in Mali fought in built up areas. We as Africans should learn to do things right, especially in the first instance, as we do not have the money or resources to afford making a mistake.

We are missing the point here, AMANI was an exercise not training. FIBUA training is solely the responsibility of the contributing nations.

I also share the opinion of the south Africans that MOST insurgent battles happen in the bushes or open fields where they have their bases.

The situation with boko haram that were engaged in settlements should be attributed to the Nigerian military failures to keep them out of these areas.

And even at the time they were engaged in built areas only small units with artillery and air support were used to push them out while Tanks and IFV were used to engage them in the open.

If the aim of the force is followed through as per rapid deployment to avoid scenarios where militants will not be allowed to seize territories, then I don't see anything wrong with the exercise.

My point is that AU has taken a bold step in making this happen and in my opinion should be applauded.

Perhaps this is just the first phase and corrections with inputs will be made in subsequent ones before it's fully operational.

K

MikeCZAR:
As seen in rugged7 pictures it is in Sambisa.

There's no heavy urban fighting.

It's not a bad thing to admit you have no idea than to pretend you do and end up looking clueless.

@augugust relax na . You don't expect SA to empty a town so African militaries can learn to fight in it.

That facility happens to be the same with most standard training facilities and I believe the responsibility of urban warfare training is on the contributing countries.

Don't forget you are talking about an AU that can barely fund it's budget. Not to talk of the poor countries that can't afford bulletproof vests for their infantry.

Simply put bro, what you are proposing is damn too expensive.

The key thing for this AU force is command and control which I believe was highlighted by frum.

iterator24:
i'm impressed with the recent transformation in the NA.. they're looking more bad@ss these days

My own happiness is not just the appearance, but that they are actually badasses.

I think we already learned from the Arabs that appearance and shiny toys alone don't make a mean army.