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Petalss:
Matthew 5:22. In this passage, Jesus says:

*"But I say to you that everyone who is angry with his brother will be liable to judgment; whoever insults his brother will be liable to the council; and whoever says, 'You fool!' will be liable to the hell of fire."* (ESV)

You missed many requirements eg "his brother". The way you spoke, you are not his brother.

Kingsempires:
men!! This is not Good. Why don't you face your own denomination and not putting mouth for others. No one knows what will happen on the last day. Don't be surprised when it will be the Catholic that you are calling fruad that will make heaven or the the jws that you are calling evil will make heaven.

I don't care what people say about the Catholic, after all when I was going to Pentecostal churches I no dey like to dey go church I no dey even go throw my Bible

It was went I became a Catholic member that I started understanding Christianity. So that is why you see me sometimes I ask questions. Whether jws/Catholic/Pentecostal i ask them questions.

I no get time to dey condemn people's church all I know is I study my Bible do what is right and I pray to God

Even the peticostal church are not one dey judge themselves so anyhow you see the church that's your own business

See you are studying church instead of studying God. For if you have studied God, you would see that He never changes and

1 Corinthians 6:9-11
9 Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind,

10 Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God.

So, no catholic, jw, pentecostal, muslim.etc guilty of unrighteousness like the guilty in the bible will ever ever make it to God's House..

And of course, a thief cannot condemn a thief., that is why you cannot condemn others.

jaephoenix:
If we use your format, do you know we can have the whole debate and he'll end up not answering any questions from me? So no, we'll use my format

Only in your mind especially as you atheists do not like to play defence/defendant because you already know you have a very bad case if and when put on trial and examination/cross examination, exactly how criminals do not want to go to court and stand in trial.

Truth Rules and wins whether defence or offence because "There is no valid argument against the Truth"

So, you don't win because you play offence and aske all the questions you can imagine. There are rules of debate and it is your fallt if you do not know them.

Kingsempires:
As you can see this thread is not about all this criticing catholic.Go thrown is thread and understand what the person that made this thread is talking about

Sorry, where there are questions to be answered, they should be answered.

jaephoenix:
Its unfortunate youre this daft. Covid mighta started from China but they weren't the [b]most hit. [/b]Italy suffered the worst covid mortality more than china. And Italy is a predominantly Christian country

Who said "most hit" daffy?

Secondly, who did not know that China doctored carpentered its report of deaths?

See how satan dey invite people.

Na relax na im Atagja relax die, go hellfire!

Ubenedictus:
You are trying to be cleaver by half.
In the entire bible Mary the mother of Jesus is only addressed as the mother of Jesus. No other..

Now, you.have shifted to another leg since the one you used has fallen.

If you were truly sincere, you would see that the bible is about Jesus and not about Mary and her children, exactly how in Genesis,it focused on Abraham and not on his brothers.

And secondly, it is known the bible has always described lineage in terms of the father, in this case Joseph and not on mothers which is where Matthew 13:55-56 shows your church is lying in saying
55 Is not this the carpenter's son? (Joseph) is not his mother called Mary? and his brethren, James, and Joses, and Simon, and Judas?

So your church has lied to you!

"There is no valid argument against the Truth"

Or is there any other leg of argument you can make?

Ubenedictus:
You are the one claiming that if something is not explicitly recorded in the bible then it didn't happen...

See, it! Instead of addressing the issue, you have resorted to accusing me.

Where did i say "if something is not explicitly recorded in the bible then it didn't happen?

Ubenedictus:
You are still the same person here now agreeing with me that the bible doesn't claim to paint a full picture.

If the bible doesn't paint a full picture, as you admitted, why do you expect to find every Christian belief and practice explicitly stated in the bible?

You are being snaky in pretending as if you do not understand that the argument is about you saying "Acess and full picture" whereas, the bible has given us the relevant and sufficient information we need like that boy's thread. And no one went outdide his report lookong for any full picture.

So this is you not liking what you see, so like Isreal you went out looking for what you want which clearly are Lies because, it is liars who go looking for what is not missing..

Anyway, your life and your death!

Ubenedictus:
You have descended to insults and to be sincere I'm too old for that rubbish. You can go play in the sand with your age mates where you can decide to call them liars...

I did not insalt you, it is you who is putting yourself in a very bad and indefensible position, like a thief trying to defend his stealing and even trying to say it is right.

So, every condemnation you get feels like an imsalt

Ubenedictus:
When a man gives birth to his first son, is he mandated to dedicate him or must be wait to have a second born before he can dedicate him. Since you claim that only child cannot be a first born?

You are being fraudulent in making the issue look like the argument is about the fedicstion of a child, whereas, it is not!

The issue is and had always been do you see anywhere in the bible where they called "an only son or child" "FIRST BORN"? . And iasked you for an example .

And clearly, you did not see any one or single case where an only child is called firstborn
.
So, you are wrong!

Ubenedictus:
The place you wrote "off point" answers the first question. It is not my fault you didn't read
this was also answered

Off point means you did not answer the point of the question and clearly, you cannot amswer it, which i the op said, none of your people could answer it.

author=Ubenedictus post=131546480

We also call a woman who was pregnant a virgin.I didn't see you complain, that pregnant people are not virgins.[/quote]See you are now resorting to lies like jws do to asdert their point.

Abeg, where? Where has anyone called a pregmant aunty let say Amaka, Charitu a virgin? Anyway the argument is going on in the thread.

author=Ubenedictus post=131546480

There is no passage in the entire bible that says Mary had other children. The bible actually says Jesus had brethren and later the same bible told us the mother of those brethren was not Mary the mother of Jesus.[/quote]There is and i showed you and i am waiting for your response on the thread., so need.

[quote author=Ubenedictus post=131546480[/quote]I guess now you have omniscience to know who I worship so that you feel confident to presume to tell me who I worship or don't worship after I have clearly informed you.[/quote]See we not see you bowing don and rubbing statues of Mary &co and rolling on the floor?

https://www.nairaland.com/5573290/evidence-catholics-worship-mary#84773924

https://www.nairaland.com/4214787/worshiping-idol-now-traditionalist-asks#62980404

[quote author=Ubenedictus post=131546480[/quote]If kneeling and bowing immediately means worship, that means I have been worshipping my parents.[/quote]Exactly how jws argue when they have lied by using truths to hide and cover their lies.
1) Your parents are alive and not idols.
2) We see you greet your parents, and not bowing and worshiping them. Which is why if and when the greeting is excessive and heading to worship, people would warn you saying "e don too much o, wetin, e never do" and you stop. But you do not greet yout parents up to that extent.
3) And you dont spend up to 5 minutes greeting your parents compared to the hours you spend worshipping Mary.

[quote author=Ubenedictus post=131546480[/quote]no bro, maybe you don't read your bible.
The bible says the calling and promises of God are irrevocable....[/quote]Off point.
We are talking about David's wrong doing and God leaving him and not about God's promises..

[quote author=Ubenedictus post=131546480[/quote]It doesn't need a counter. If your church also has sinners that means what you claim of the Catholic church as deserted by God is also true of your church.
I don't think you know the implications of the argument you are making[/quote]See yourself, you have already countered with.a fallacy of reversing the burden of proof and yet you are lying that it doesn't need a counter, when clearly you had no counter.

[quote author=Ubenedictus post=131546480[/quote]So you did not see division as one of the sins listed in Gal 5 as condemnable? Are you dishonest or just didn't read well?

idolatry and witchcraft; hatred, discord, jealousy, fits of rage, selfish ambition, dissensions, factions

New Living Translation
idolatry, sorcery, hostility, quarreling, jealousy, outbursts of anger, selfish ambition, dissension, division,

According to Gal 5, division is a sin that will make you not enter the kingdom of God, so you and you pastors who a busy causing division with new churches everyday should know where they stand according to scripture[/quote]True, division, is there, i missed it but clearly you have overstretched it exactly how jws do using truths to lie because Paul knows and people know that not all divisions are sins. Eg the levites stayed away from Isreal when they went aworshipping the golden calf. Even Paul was at variance with the disciples on circumcision and he argued with them and thankfully, they appreciated his correction, hence why no division occured.

So, we know the division that is sin and evil, which clearly is what is captured in Galatians. And your church is full of lies hence why roghteous people must leave it.


OLAADEGBU:


Below are the false teachings of the Roman Catholic Church

1) The Catholic Church is the one true church (CCC 2105),
2) Infallibility of the Catholic Church, (CCC 2035),
3) Only the Roman Catholic Church has authority to interpret Scripture (CCC 100),
4) The Pope is the head of the church and has the authority of Christ (CCC 2034),
5) The Roman Catholic Church is necessary for salvation (CCC 846),
6) Sacred Tradition equal to scripture (CCC 82),
7) Forgiveness of sins, salvation, is by faith and works (CCC 2036 CCC 2080 2068),
8] Full benefit of Salvation is only through the Roman Catholic Church (Vatican 2, Decree on Ecumenism, 3),
9) Grace can be merited (CCC 2010 CCC 2027),
10) The merit of Mary and the Saints can be applied to Catholics and others (1477),
11) Penance is necessary for salvation (CCC 980),
12) Purgatory (CCC 1031 CCC 1475),
13) Indulgences (CCC 1471 CCC 1478 CCC 1498 CCC 1472),
14) Mary is Mediatrix (CCC 969),
15) Mary brings us the gifts of eternal salvation (CCC 969),
16) Mary delivers souls from death (CCC 966),
17) Prayer to the saints (CCC 2677),
18) The Communion elements become the actual body and blood of Christ (CCC 1374 CCC 1376).

FxMasterz:
If you have the Holy Spirit, you won't be creating threads to curse people and calling them mad people because they do not believe in God...

See it, Tu qo que.

Secondly, proof of evil spirit if not you would have seen that i. I did not.curse them for their unbelief but for their blasphemies,.

But, no wahala carry your evil spirit go.

Kingsempires:
men!!, why would you be saying that the roman C are liars. Are they the only church that teaches that mary was a perpetual virgin ?

The catholic church is a church of Lies as proven by many atheists here whose hatred for God.stems from the lies they were taught and many are catholics.
https://www.nairaland.com/7600700/why-catholic-church-evil-majority#121547568

So Mary's perpetual virginity is not the only lie as you can see from the other thread of forgiveness and taking communion is another one,

Kingsempires:
men!!, this thread is not all about critcise a religion. See as you dey insult catholic,latter you will insult JWs. You can see a catholic person talking about someone faith. Were you stand self ?

You have seen what my insalt looks llile, so this is not it. This is only a decription and declaration of Truths we all have.seen and say about catholics/jws and it was interesting sto see him lie using the bible, exactly what jws do.

jaephoenix:
How debates work is both ways. If I keep on answering his 'clarity questions' then he won't answer mine. If he answers my question, then I answer his. That's how it works. I know in your world, logic is redundant, so you won't understand

No! he has a duty to answer yours as soon as clarity is given to the issue. There after he responds to you the case you have made. And he might address the question you asked in line with the case. And if he does not, then you have a right to remind him to answer it for the burden of attending to your case and question has moved to him.

That is how debates works everywhere, whether in court or in clubs or in public podiums.

Ubenedictus:
The word translated as "brethren" in that passage also means relatives.

It is the same word used in Gen 13:8
And Abram said unto Lot, Let there be no strife, I pray thee, between me and thee, and between my herdmen and thy herdmen; for we be brethren

We know Abraham and lot aren't real brothers, they as relatives uncle and nephew ..

We know, the wide meaning of the word breathren means relative.

But we also see and appreciate the narrow meaning of brethren which means biological brothers as we see in Joseph and his brothers/Judah's sons, Er and Onan.

And whsat differentiates these 2 meanings is their lineage.

They were relatives of Jesus that is why the Bible calls them is "brethren", but they were not children of Mary the mother of Jesus.
Do you understand?[/quote]If bethren.means relatives, then Mathew will not say brethren because him, matthew and the whole of Isreal, whether Nazareth or Capernaum or Jerusalem are his relatives.

Ubenedictus:
John 19:25
standing by the cross of Jesus were his mother and his mother 's sister, Mary the wife of Clopas, and Mary Magdalene.
Matt 27:56
Among them were Mary Magdalene, Mary the mother of James and Joses, and the mother of the sons of Zebedee.
Mk 15:49
There were also women looking on from a distance, among whom were Mary Magdalene, and Mary the mother of James the younger and of Joses, and Salome.

See it many Marys, James, Johns, Salomes, Joses, simons etc Names are replicated in their families, so Mary and Joseph have their own James, and Joses, and Simon, and Judas. You can even see you said "the younger james" meaning, there is an older james.

And see Simon and Judas are not mentioned in that family, so you see, lineage proves you are wrong and your church lied

Ubenedictus:
I already gave you the biblical definition of a first born as one who opens the womb, even though he might have no siblings. If you are not satisfied with that, have a good day

I said "Cite examples where the bible decribed an only son as a first born." i did not ask for definition or redefinition. I just said give us an example.

And clearly, you see, THERE IS NOT ONE CASE WHERE THE BIBLE EVER CALLS AN ONLY SON, "FIRST BORN"

So, you see you are talking rubbish and have therefore fled away as all liars must do when they are caught.

Ubenedictus:
the letters of Abraham Lincoln as lovely as they are do no give us a full picture of what was happening in America in his day nor does it purport to record every American culture, belief and practice. s

Who can give full picture of anything? Who needs full picture of everything? Even you cannot give the full picture of your neigbbourhood.

See this guy's case https://www.nairaland.com/8186055/been-scammed-neighbor#131518390
Has he not already given us the picture we need? Who has asked for more pictures?

You are just showing you are one of those sucessfully scammed by the Romans. because you failed to think and therefore you fell for their scam of removing you from the Book of Truth (bible) so that you can see and accept their inteligently woven lies in other books

And that is why you do not know what is True for you are corrupted and full of lies.

It is people like you who make atheist call Christians brainwashed meanwhile you are never there to defend the lies they have seen and experienced because they too were catholics but they were watching to see if the lies held up especially the fact that lies always raised up more questions and more lies.

No reasonable person requires anybody to tell the fullestest story only the Truth, the sufficient and the relevant part. And if clarity is needed, questions would be asked as seen in that thread. No extra threads required.

Truth exists; only lies are invented.Georges Braque -

Having is one, retaining is another.

bloodofthelamb:
How I received the Holy Spirit.

This is not having The Holy.Spirit, this is experiencing the touch of God that comes through praises and worship.

When you have The Holy Spirit, you would know the difference and you be able to tell us, (Trap)

FxMasterz:
I don't know maybe you're one who only believes what you think or what the Bible says:

My very close friend received the Holy Ghost when we were prayed for. I didn't receive that day. I received the Holy Ghost in my room many months later in 1999.

Anyone who confesses Jesus as Lord is a Believer and has the Spirit of God in him. The next stage afterwards is the Baptism. Read the Bible my friend, especially the Acts of Apostles. I'm not a conventional Christian. If you believe in the Bible and not just on your own thoughts, I would show you numerous scriptures regarding this. But since I do not know your stand, I'll just show you something in Acts 19. Paul met some Believers in Acts 19:2 and asked them "Have you received the Holy Ghost since ye believed?" Read below:

Acts 19:1-7

""And it came to pass, that, while Apollos was at Corinth, Paul having passed through the upper coasts came to Ephesus: and finding certain disciples, He said unto them, Have ye received the Holy Ghost since ye believed? And they said unto him, We have not so much as heard whether there be any Holy Ghost. And he said unto them, Unto what then were ye baptized? And they said, Unto John's baptism. Then said Paul, John verily baptized with the baptism of repentance, saying unto the people, that they should believe on him which should come after him, that is, on Christ Jesus. When they heard this, they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus. And when Paul had laid his hands upon them, the Holy Ghost came on them; and they spake with tongues, and prophesied. And all the men were about twelve."

Read Acts 8 where Philip evangelized in Samaria and got many who gave their lives to Christ. The apostles heard in Jerusalem that people in Samaria had given their lives to Christ, they then came to Samaria and laid their hands on them that they might receive the Holy Ghost.

Please read the Bible. We Christians have the Bible as our final authority on any subject matter. We don't live by some head knowledge.

God Said "let us reason together". And reasoning involves head and its knowings.

What you say is a half truth and because i can see your intention is in saying the Truth, is why your statement looks right.

However, there is a part where you are wrong.

And if you indeed had the Holy Spirit then you would not be lying and behaving like a mad person as you did in the polygamy threads

No, that was not a holy Spirit but a very unclean spirit.

jaephoenix:
Serious stupidity dey worry the guy sotay he dey see a different china far from reality

See madfinish dey mad dey gooooo!
Him no see say na from back tilll 2023/2024 reports na im i drop plus people dey always hear wetin dey happen to.china eg corono wey.wipe thousands for china in 2019.

Your mumuness don permanent na onoda reason you dey permanently mad, madfinishx

Ubenedictus:
What lies did the Catholic church tell?
"

We were talking about 2 now,
1) calling a woman who gave birth a virgin.
2) doing like jws in denying the bible which.Saith she had other children.
3) Lying you don't worship Mary whereas you are.
4) Lying you don't worship images whereas, we are looking at you bowing and kneeling to them.

https://www.nairaland.com/7600700/why-catholic-church-evil-majority#121547568

Ubenedictus:
It is funny that you claim "the Catholic church has...done so many great evils such that no reasonable righteous loving person can be unified with the.and then you went to quote David. Are you ignorant of scripture?
Is David not the king who did "many great evils" and yet God did not go back on his word to confirm his descendants on the throne?
This same David was the one who was to unite the righteous in Israel.

And he admitted them and stood guilty for them.and God left him in those days thereby showing the way that when you do a wrong righteous people will leave you, so you have nothing here.

Ubenedictus:
And I'm sure your church is filled with all holy people. This isn't an argument

Fallacy!
Clearly, you cannot counter.

Ubenedictus:
Gal 5:19-20

See it. You have nothing. Galations is about sins and schism is about division and separation from a group eg cult, church political party, band of kidnappers.

You people and jws are the same. Liars and frauds!

Ubenedictus:
the prayer for forgiveness at the beginning of mass does not make a person a practicing Catholic

Off point! No one said it does.

Ubenedictus:
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the bible actually says God does not hear the prayers of sinners. That is why the Catholic church will tell you that the penitential rite is for minor failings like venial sin and for venial sin you should use the sacrament of confession.

We know hence the importance of the prayers for mercy and forgiveness, hence the question,
1) "Does it mean God did not hear our prayers for mercy? (at the begining of the mass or during the mass or the one just before the communion is given) which yoi have still not answered.

Ubenedictus:
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However if you have perfect contrition for all your sins then the word of God applies "A broken and contrite heart o God you will not spurn". In such a case all your sins are forgiven even at the penitential rite.

Off point

The question is
1) "Does it mean God did not hear our prayers for mercy? (at the begining of the mass or during the mass or the one just before the communion is given), which you have not answered.

Ubenedictus:
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He hears a lot more than that, but he also has his process.

I did not ask about Him hearing more than that i asked a specific question nor His process.

I asked
2) Does it mean God hears only the confessions we make before the Priest?"

jaephoenix:
Idiot. He made an original post, then I answered his question and asked him my own. Then he ignored mine and asked his. You can't even read

Stupid. I read. Your response needed clarity so he has a right to ask you more questions while you fraudulently tried to switch the burden of proof by asking him a question. You are a fraud always.

Ubenedictus:
on point

It is off point. We are talking of virginity after birth..you are talking of a virgin getting pregnant, clearly a different topic, so off point.

[quote author=budaatum post=131522117][/quote]Definitely talking bout yourself.

Ybigp5:
So your God died and came back to life on its own?

Clear proof that He is God for God must be greater than alll including death.

Ilamina:
don't you feel frustrated about life sometimes and asked why you exist

I feel that sometimes, so stop being harsh. On me

Only those who are enemies of God feel so.

So ask yourself

1) Who benefits when men are turned anti God?

2) Why are atheists desperately bent on destroying belief in God and God followership?

3) Who is fueling and pushing these devild to do these things?

4) How and why is God belief and God followership very painful to the people to the extent that they have gone all these miles to see that God belief and followership is termimated?

Steep:
three but two persons are seated on the throne

I did not ask you about 3, but 2.

I asked "is One, Two?"

Steep:
How does evil overcomes someone?...

Error.
How does evil overcomes someone is not the same as how to overcome evil.