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Raf4:
Has Oba of Bini ever told you he wasn't a descendant of Oranmiyan of Ile-Ife? Meddlesome Interloper.

Oranmiyan is a made up person, not a historical person.
Oranmiyan is like Peter Pan or batman or superman or father Christmas or captain America. You know nothing about history and that is why you confuse a fairytale with actual history.
But like most ignorant Nigerians, you believe you know better.

GUNITGuy:
You think with your head does it makes sense to you .....

Look, I'm not paid to be your tutor, I have better things to do, no more time to waste.
We have had our last exchange.
You suffer from cognitive dissonance.
You can't accept proven facts. You create an alternate reality to fit your beliefs even while your beliefs have been proven false before you.

GUNITGuy:
Then they lost Lagos to Nigeria or Yorubas....
And they stop speaking Bini Language
No kingdom was lost till today they're still there ... The British never took any Monarchy from anyone they are still there till now

Your case is clinical.
What don't you get in the fact that the ownership of Lagos went from the Oba of Benin to the king of England then to the federal republic of Nigeria?
Where did I say "yoruba" in there ?

Reason with your brain, not your feelings.

Spandau:
You be mumu for saying that. Ignorant mumu!

I guess being educated in some of the best universities in the world makes me a mumu, then mumu I shall be.

GUNITGuy:
Ok you can Ask him to join the Meetings in Edo state whenever theyre doing their Meeting if he's so attached to them and anytime they're Doing a Council of Lagos Obas meeting he might decline since he isn't Yoruba ........
You're funny honestly so funny
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So he should give up his kingdom because he is not a hypocrit ?
Man, you suffer from cognitive dissonance.
All Lagos true monarchs (not the fake self claimed ones) were under the Oba of Lagos who himself was under the Oba of Benin.
The only person funny here is you, your lack of knowledge of history and of current events is astonishing, it is as if you were born yesterday.
You talk solely based on your feelings, not based on facts nor logic.

GUNITGuy:
Ok go and add it to your own Land .....

It is Nigeria's land as we speak !
The ownership of Lagos went from the Oba of Benin to the British then to the federal republic of Nigeria. I don't know if you are aware, but what you have today is Nigeria !

Pristine664:
Oba of Benin is a Yoruba man.

Edo people said so.

The Oba of Benin has no relationship with Ife, his father is the previous Oba of Benin, his father's father was the Oba of Benin ...only the first son of the Oba of Benin can become the next Oba of Benin, so one of the few people whose ancestry can be traced for more than 1000 years, that would be the Oba of Benin, and it leads back to Benin empire and Benin city to be more precise.

GUNITGuy:
That has been clarified that's Lagos culture of greetings....Inu mi ni Inu e....
And has been spoken by Oba Akiolu himself.....
None can rebuff OONI OF IFE....He's the most respected monarch in Yoruba Land followed by Alaafin of Oyo

You are deluded. Lagos is not part of your imagined "yorubaland".

GUNITGuy:
Show me a video of the Oba of Bini and Any Lagos Oba

https://twitter.com/africafactszone/status/1468227240785817603?lang=zh-Hant

Were you born yesterday ?
You guys just keep talking on topics you know nothing about.

GUNITGuy:
Has Oba Akiolu ever gone to Edo state for Anything pertaining to Lagos or Bini...
Oba Oyekan never did
Oba Adele as well
That royal stool is rotation......
Did you see him paying respect to Oba of Bini Or Visiting him or any Lagos king ...But the Governor has to welcome him because he's a First class king........
But if Ooni comes to Lagos All the Obas in Lagos would welcome him including Oba Akiolu and pay him to respect... Same Ondo, Ekiti,Oyo Ogun....Even Kogi and Kwara except Ilorin......
The Alaafin and Ooni might be having issues but yet they respect each other

1. Oba of Lagos rebuffs Oni of Ife:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xS4ijYragbw?si=R0UGpleS1Og9FdQ-
2. Oba of Lagos visits his "father", the Oba of Benin:
https://twitter.com/africafactszone/status/1468227240785817603?lang=zh-Hant

akigbemaru:
Exactly, Yorubas don't wear skirts. Bini people used to be under Yorubas until Portuguese set feet on West Africa's soils.

Show me a precolonial map which shows what you claim.
Below is a map of Africa published in 1747.


Now this is complete nonesense

akigbemaru:
Bini laganguage is a mixture of Yoruba, Portuguese and their local dialects. They worship Olokun, Shango, Ogun, Ogoni till this moment and all copied from Yorubas.

Spandau:
Ehn, give us your history as it was written naah

Written by whom and when, why can't you understand what I told you ?
History is not about telling a story !
It is about studying eyewitness written documents!

Christistruth00:
Go and ask the Ijebu Remo if they didn't drive Benin out of Lagos

The Text clearly states that the Yebous had seized the Narrow piece of Land linking Eko to the Metropolis

1. So history to you is about asking people of today to tell you what happened several hundred years before their grand father was born ?
2. You are moving the goal post. Just a reminder: it is my translation which claims the jebu had seazed a narrow piece of land linking Lagos to the metropolis. And since you still lack braincells, let me tell you whom the jebus seazed that narrow peace of land from: the ijo pirates whom had invaded that narrow peace of land.
The text also claims that the jebu were Benin vassals !

Christistruth00:
All the Obas of the Yoruba Ifon Towns are of the Obatala dynasty of kings
They are real people with real Thrones

Here you go again confusing obatala fairytales with history, yet you think you are credible in discussions about history ?

Christistruth00:
Did you notice that it said the Ijebu had taken over the Lagos Metropolis and it also said it was the Ijebu that called Lagos Eko and not Benin who called it Korame


Now read this
Document from Sir alfred moloney
British Colonial Governor of Lagos
Confirming Lagos is Yorubaland in 1890

1. You didn't provide a link to the document which you claim to quote.
2. Instead you provided only a snapshot, which makes it possible that the document might be fake !
3. Be more specific on what you want to quote in the "document".
4. Each document I provided is older by at least 100 or 200 years than your maybe fake document.
5. Even if your document were not fake, it remains irrelevant, indeed the documents which I provided are older and eyewitness written!

Christistruth00:
Did you notice that it said the Ijebu had taken over the Lagos Metropolis and it also said it was the Ijebu that called Lagos Eko and not Benin who called it Korame

You've started again !
The text says no such thing. We've already had this discussion. It seems you still don't understand that the author didn't witness the naming of the geographical zone! He was writing down the names by which the people were referring to the geographical area.
You don't speak French and you lack logic, and you are a liar. I have already explained all this in your presence, but you keep pretending and making bogus claims.

Krismas:
Obatala is not the same as Oba.
Obatala is more of a mythical figure deity.
This subject of Oba has already been covered on Nairaland
https://www.nairaland.com/2922205/how-word-oba-came-into#42753304
Do well to enlighten urself

If we keep getting down to the level of yoruba then this cycle will never end.
For 10 years now, I have been trying to educate people on nairaland about the meaning of history and how it is researched. But logic always fails to stay long in the brains of most Nigerians:
1. Oduduwa, oranmiyan, obatala...all those are science fiction novel creatures, they have nothing to do with actual history, they are fairytales.
2. History is the study of eye-witnesses written documents!
3. The Yoruba keep talking about fairytales while discussing history because the Yoruba either don't know their history or they are too ashamed to say that their ancestors were slaves !
4. Now why would I, an Edo, be talking fairytales while I could very easily bring up eyewitness written documents to show Benin history and prove Benin claims?

5. It is very hard to educate Nigerians. yoruba so called history professors are talking fairytales and nobody is countering them by remarking they are talking fairytales and nobody is presenting eye-witness written documents ! Instead people want to join in and discuss fairytales as well?

Spandau:
Hey, anumaanu! Give us a brief history of your people. Especially where they came from. I will if you can't though.

"Brief history", you mean fairytales ?
History has nothing to do with what you guys keep discussing.
History is what I am showing you:
You look for eyewitness written documents and you consult them, that is how you deal with history.

You are supposed to bring evidence, not "brief history" !

An other map published between 1600 and 1699:
https://gallica.bnf.fr/ark:/12148/btv1b8595582x.r=Royaume%20du%20Benin?rk=150215;2

Map of west Africa published between 1600 and 1699:
https://gallica.bnf.fr/ark:/12148/btv1b530530714/f1.item.zoom

As I keep presenting eye-witness written documents to back the fact that Lagos is just an other part of Benin, I would like everybody to notice that the Yoruba bring absolutely no evidence, all they do is throw insults and recount an unsubstantiated story.

Map of Africa published in 1747:
https://uniquemaps.eu/fr/products/rare-old-map-of-africa-1747-by-emanuel-bowen-pre-colonial-handcoloured-slave-trade-negroland-ethiopia-barbary-nubia?adg_id=&cmp_id=20819953600&device=m&gad_source=1&gclid=Cj0KCQiA35urBhDCARIsAOU7QwmvgdmsZy_2hSDgUpPf6U_xC6omUkZc9D2yAWVEpqYXJ5glrQm6SXUaAjA7EALw_wcB&kwd=&utm_campaign=Google%20Shopping&utm_medium=cpc&utm_source=google&variant=43501503906022

Precolonial maps of Lagos have Benin written all over them:
https://gallica.bnf.fr/ark:/12148/btv1b8595583b/f1.item.r=Benin.zoom
This more than settles it. Lagos was a part of Benin.

History is not about feelings, it is about research, eye-witnesses written documents !

Proof that Lagos was a part of Benin kingdom in the pre-colonial era. I quote a precolonial text in which the authors clearly say it.

Here is the translation:

"Captain Horsley called it Eco, and that is how the yebous refer to it; but it is not their land: it belongs to Benin, whom have named it Korame, you can recognise the Curamo from older Portuguese reports, just like Eko represents the Ichoo from Holland Hydrographs. Long ago Korame was linked to its metropolis by a very narrow piece of land contained between the great Laguna and the sea; but it has been a while since the Yebous have seazed that very narrow peace of land of which the eastern extremity was invaded by ouyo pirates; and Karamé remained isolated at the extremity of the great Laguna, while it continues to receive from Benin it's governor or political chief."

Also:

As can be seen in the third caption, "ouyo" doesn't mean "oyo". Ouyo refers to a bunch of pirates whom were also called Jos and Usa. The ouyo pirates are most likely ijo people ! Gbam !


https://gallica.bnf.fr/ark:/12148/bpt6k62093119/f11.image.r=Yebou


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WriterrNig:
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WriterrNig:
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So Armenia's president was expecting Russia to keep doing business with Armenia inspite of his hostile actions against Russia...

WriterNiiig:
⚡Kremlin: The gathering of Finnish forces on the border is a threat to Russia.

Bro, wrong image.

WriterNiiig:
⚡Foreigners entering Russia could be required to sign a “loyalty agreement” upon arrival, pledging not to criticise Moscow’s offensive in Ukraine

Good idea.