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Christistruth00:
The Document is not fake google it up the British Colonial Governor of Lagos definitely knew who the owners of Lagos were and said so

1. Provide a link to the document, I don't want to be talking about a document which might very well be a fake.
2. If the document were not fake, then you place too much trust on the magical powers of the "British governor of Lagos". The point in history is not to quote someone and say that person must have known. The point is to quote someone who saw !
3. I have posted older documents with link to the documents and they contradict the talk of the "British governor of Lagos" if your document is not fake. So I have more relevant documents. Your "British governor of Lagos" didn't have any magical powers to tell you what happened hundreds of years before he was born.
Say it with me: "I need eyewitness written documents".

forgiveness:
....

Your father is a bastard.
Your mom is a bastard and a prostitute, all your ancestors are prostitutes and slaves and cannibals. Also your Oni is a bastard and a fool and a prostitute.

As I said, the Oni of Ife is a big fat bastard, fake king, actually he was a village priest in a small village called Ife which the British started urbanising as from 1912.
The fool above knows nothing about history, he's just here to troll.

forgiveness:
Very correct. Aweri is Warr. The kingdom of Itsekiri. Another tribe of Yorubas.

Now, where was your Benin on that eko?

No Benin. Why?

I'm ignoring you from now on, you keep proving you know nothing and you are wasting my time.
Go to hell.

forgiveness:
Are you saying you Oba is dumb by given oral history in the first place?

No I'm saying your Oni is an idiot and a bastard.
Look, you are a fool who thought aweri was awori, while it is actually Warri !
You know nothing but to troll.
I'm here discussing history, while you are just trolling.

forgiveness:
Are you saying your Oba forefathers that passed down the oral history to your Oba were not eyewitness? Were they also fairly tales?

We could discuss your theory of "oral tradition" if you could provide me eyewitness written documents to back it up.
Notice how dumb your "oral tradition" hypothesis is.
Let us say we start oral tradition today. What do you pass down ? Do you memorise everything which happens in your life and pass it down to your son who adds to it all that happens in his life and passes it down to his son, and so on... In 1000 years what type of story do you have: I story which would take 10000 years to tell.
How dumb are you ?
History is the study of eye-witnesses written documents! Don't disturb me with oral tradition. And for the last time, stop mentioning the Oba of Benin ! Be warned.

forgiveness:
You map is fake.

See another map showing Ijebu Kingdom and Awori spelt Aweri in the same 1745. Thief.

Now, this map will clear your brain from your unsubstantiated ignorance.

You fool !
Aweri is Warri !
What a fool you are !
Such a fool !!!
I knew you were an idiot, but not to this point !
I knew you weren't making any sense but before talking I needed the link to make sure I wasn't talking in a void.
You have basically proven that you have been saying complete nonesense from the begining!
How a troll who knows nothing and confuses fairytales for history still manages to think he knows better ? 🤡

forgiveness:
This is map showing west Africa in 14th century. Your Benin was not in existence, right?

See people already inhabiting the coast. Where is Benin the so called founder?

https://www.vintage-maps.com/en/antique-maps/africa/bowen-western-africa-1747::1256

Now tell me how your map from the same author Emanuel Bowen, proves the map which I posted to be false ?

forgiveness:
That's right, you are bolding saying your Oba lied. There was no Eweka. He fell from the sky. Ogiso means fall from the sky. Kkkkkkkkkkkkkkkl

You are getting on my nerves and putting words on my mouth. Once again, I'm here to discuss history which is defined by: the study of eye-witnesses written documents.
I'm not here to discuss anything else. I don't discuss Royal speech, I study eyewitness written documents.
And for the last time, where is the link to the website hosting your map ?

forgiveness:
Your Oba said Eweka was your first Oba? Who was his father?

Or are your insinuating your Oba lied?

Dude, I discuss history here. Not Royal speech.
Stop asking me about Royal speech.
History: the study of eye-witnesses written documents. I don't do feelings nor Royal speech. You are confusing me with other people. I'm a cold hearted scientist to the core.

Where is the link to the website hosting your map ?

Don't you dare disrespect the Oba again ! Now let's get back to discussing history, ok ?
Again, where is the link to the website hosting your map ?

forgiveness:
Don't be lazy. It all over the net. Your map is fake. Drawn by Benin.

Awori was already on the land long before our Yoruba king from Ilu Ibinu (Benin) came around.

Why has it become a problem to just post the link of the website hosting your map ?
You do want to prove me wrong, right ?
So why hide your "proof" ?
Before I comment on your map, I need to make sure it is authentic. I reserve my comment untill then.

forgiveness:
So, you didn't have a runaway prince again? He was also a fairly tale?

What is proof?

Is Eweka also fairly tale? Who was his father?

You think you are making a point ?
I'm a scientist, I don't discuss fairytales.
You are asking me questions while the answer is what you are quoting to ask your question. What sense does this make ? Am I supposed to just repeat the comment which you have clearly quoted ?
Dude, post the link to the website hosting your map so that I can comment on it. I don't like to talk in a void.

forgiveness:
You map is fake.

See another map showing Ijebu Kingdom and Awori spelt Aweri in the same 1745. Thief.

Now, this map will clear your brain from your unsubstantiated ignorance.

Before talking, post a link to the website hosting the map. I can't talk while I'm not sure if the map is not just a drawing by you.

forgiveness:
Oduduwa was real. Nothing like fairy tales.

He became a diety after his death due to their believe.

Nothing like prince in Edo land. You only had Ogiso and you were called Igodomigodo not Benin which is corruption of Ule Ibinu in Yoruba.

Of course, you claim a map published in 1747 to be fake because it doesn't show things which exist today (2023). Then you go and claim oduduwa fairytales and igodomigodo and ogiso fairytales are real.
So as I thought, you see proof and you say it is fake, you see fairytales and say it is real.

Your lack of proper education is a crime against humanity. You are the opposite of what an intelligent person is.

forgiveness:
Where is Oyo in your map? Where is Bornu in your map?

Are you saying there was no Oyo or Bornu empires in so called 1700th?

Your map is fake.

I gave the link of the website hosting the map.
It was published in 1747, I wasn't born yet, so asking me questions about the map is a stupid thing to do.

But let me help you to use your brain:
1. You are judging the map by your unsubstantiated beliefs. You are supposed to judge your unsubstantiated beliefs with help from the map. Because the map was drawn by a person who witnessed 1747. Your beliefs however are just beliefs.
2. Have you thought of the fact that countries are born, they don't exist right from the begining of time. Countries break up and give place to other countries. Take a look at a map of Europe from 1400, you will see that you can't find some countries of today and you will find countries which do not exist today.
3. The map is not fake, you just don't reason properly.

I think a civil war is coming in Nigeria. I'm buying my plane ticket to come and fight.

Oba Gha tokpere!
Isse !

If a person invents a time machine and takes yarri.ba back in time to show them Lagos being part of Benin kingdom, the yarri.ba will still say: "this proves nothing".

KoshCAD:
Na you give the Benin the territory they have?

Precolonial map of west Africa showing that Lagos is a part of Benin:
https://gallica.bnf.fr/ark:/12148/btv1b8595583b.r=Benin?rk=150215;2

Instead of talking all sorts of nonesense, just bring proof. I have been doing this since page 5, but you guys seem to go blind each time I bring proof.
Proof-based talk rather than insult-and-feelings-based talk.

VEHINTOLAR:
They did not conquer the Aworis,go and read or listen to Oba Bamigbade again. He was quite explicit enough !

Again, just fairytales. No proof to back them up, their only backup is their mouths, yarri.ba. You guys are just fraudsters.
I bring pre-colonial documents, you bring your mouth and that of an other yarri.ba. How typical.

Procashtips:
I don't have access to it.

You can drop your email or digits instead.

It would be flooded by these yarri.ba trolls.
Anyways, what I want to say is that we can not descend to the level of yarri.ba by discussing fairytales.
They do this because they have no history !
We do have history and can just bring up precolonial documents !
This is how we can end this cycle of shouting matches.
You reason like a scientist and bring out proof, therefore exposing the ignoramuses for what they are. You don't go down to their level of discussing fairytales. You would be doing them a favour by doing that.

VEHINTOLAR:
Lol,so Oduduwa is no longer "Izoduwa",right ? You guys are getting there small,small,lol !

When did I mention "izoduwa"? look you are having a discussion with someone else and confusing him with me. I have been extremely clear.
Oduduwa is a fairytale. I don't know how to be clearer, obatala is s fairytale, oranmiyan is a fairytale, all of those are just like Spiderman.

Anybody who wants to claim someone existed needs to show some documents written by an eyewitness which talks about that person.
You can't magically discover an "oduduwa" with no eyewitness written documents to prove that there was such a person.

Procashtips:
Oduduwa that fell from the sky never existed.

Izoduwa existed and was a banished prince from the Benin kingdom.

You have no brains

You still couldn't comprehend what was written?

Even if it's forcefully fed into your brain, it's still going to slip off.

Talk to me in private message.

VEHINTOLAR:
Ask the idiot like you who just said that your "missing Prince Izoduwa" was fairytale;that is, he never existed !

Now you are putting words in my mouth.
I said Oduduwa never existed !
When quoting me, get the quote right !
Here it again: Oduduwa never existed, he is of the same reality as Spiderman!
When dealing with history, you have to prove what you say, not hide behind the fact that other people believe in your fairytale. History is not decided by votes, it is decided by the study of eyewitness written documents !

https://uniquemaps.eu/products/rare-old-map-of-africa-1747-by-emanuel-bowen-pre-colonial-handcoloured-slave-trade-negroland-ethiopia-barbary-nubia?currency=EUR&variant=42258879840486&utm_medium=cpc&utm_source=google&utm_campaign=Google%20Shopping&cmp_id=20303908446&adg_id=&kwd=&device=m&gad_source=1&gclid=Cj0KCQiAgqGrBhDtARIsAM5s0_l-nBpsH4W1fm0fxGh3__U9yguK_6gTWi4lkrWOgu8nZN5SqdxxifIaAphwEALw_wcB

VEHINTOLAR:
Lol ! So Oduduwa is now "a fairytale character" ,he is no longer the missing Prince "Izoduwa" or "Ekhaladeran" or whatever idiotic name you guys called him,right ?! Trust me,some of you guys are begining to exhibit strange symptoms which may not have medical explanation(s) !

Unlike you yarr.iba who just repeat the same thing like a bunch of photocopies, we actually use our brains. I've been saying this on nairaland for ten years, oduduwa is a fairytale. There is no eyewitness written document to back him up, actually literate visitors have been writing about our region since the 1400's they never wrote about any oduduwa despite meeting the Oba of Benin several times and writing about him many times.
The fact some people like the fairytale doesn't make it real !
You talk like a child. We are discussing history and you are bringing up fairytales like Spiderman, oh sorry oduduwa.
Look, it is not my fault that you have the intellect of a child.

charsoso:
If Asari Dokubo is your heroe I deeply weep for you People like you and your heroes have nothing to spread other than insults and hatred. From his views I am very sure Asari had never picked up history books to read not to talk of him reading the Quoran. The first thing you need to ask your Asari is, how was it possible for him to become an alhaji? a Kalabari chief.... And if that was possible for him then he should have picked different history books before coming to the internet to give opinions that can be compared to a toddler or better still an illiterate

It is the Nigerian mentality, all Nigerian illiterate believe they are professors. They will come out and talk confidently on things they know nothing about.
I expected that dokubo fool to come out with eyewitness written documents to substantiate his claims, but none of that was seen, instead just insults and claims...
I brought proof here that the Oba is right, the Yoruba pretend to have become blind and continue with their unsubstantiated claims.

TheOgaBoss:
did the oba of Lagos himself not confirm the fact that their ancestry is Benin?

Yoruba reason with the same fanatism as bokoharam.
They blind themselves to not see proof that their belief is wrong. They believe that their ethnocentric beliefs should become the gospel of everybody else.
No matter how many proofs you present, the Yoruba will always repeat his fanatical claim which you have proven to be false.

1. Precolonial maps showing that Lagos was a part of Benin: the Yoruba would say it means nothing.
2. Precolonial texts clearly saying Lagos is a part of Benin: the Yoruba would say, it still means nothing.
3. Instead the yoruba will bring fairytales and toddler reasoning as "proof" that Lagos was founded by "yoruba".

VEHINTOLAR:
Ask that fool if Oduduwa was a speaker of Bini language or any Edoid one for that matter ! Those Bini cretins from that little hole of their are quite stupid.

You are confusing a fairytale character like oduduwa with a historical person who existed, yet you dare to call anybody stupid ?
For the 5th time, below is a map of Africa published in 1747 by Emanuel Bowen.
Locate "K. of Benin" on it, tell me if it is small.
Actually, tell me which is bigger, Egypt or Benin kingdom.
The map is visible by all.
https://uniquemaps.eu/products/rare-old-map-of-africa-1747-by-emanuel-bowen-pre-colonial-handcoloured-slave-trade-negroland-ethiopia-barbary-nubia?currency=EUR&variant=42258879840486&utm_medium=cpc&utm_source=google&utm_campaign=Google%20Shopping&cmp_id=20303908446&adg_id=&kwd=&device=m&gad_source=1&gclid=Cj0KCQiAgqGrBhDtARIsAM5s0_l-nBpsH4W1fm0fxGh3__U9yguK_6gTWi4lkrWOgu8nZN5SqdxxifIaAphwEALw_wcB

I call upon all the people of the vast empire of Benin. The emperor is under attack, therefore we all are under attack!

OBA GHATO KPERE !
ISSE !

Mccullum:
Stop being manipulative, go and read with open mind, my narrative is clear for unbiased person.

So you still believe that the documents which I posted which clearly mention Benin kingdom and which were published before there was any Benin Republic nor any colonized Dahomey or colonised Benin, you still think those documents were actually talking about a place which you claim the French would name "Benin" in 1883, more than 140 years after the youngest of those documents was published ? 🤡

Do you understand that a document published in 1747 (youngest document I posted) can't be talking about something which took place in 1883 ?
Being smart ain't your thing, but there's got to be levels to stupidity.

At least all Edo people who thought the yorubas were our friends will finally open their eyes.
All that talk of "sophisticated" tribe has been blown away. Finally my people will unite and see our enemies for whom they are.
You disrespect the Oba, you've disrespected all of us, you don't know us. You think you do, but you will soon learn what EMPEROR actually means.
You guys mistakenly think Benin city is the extent of Benin kingdom 😂
Benin city is only the capital of Benin kingdom !
Now we know you guys, don't you come up claiming "the Oba of Benin is a Yoruba man" ever again !
You've shown your true colours once again !

Mccullum:
Stop stealing other people history, you people were known for fabrication of history, find the truth below 👇.

The colony was at first called Benin (from the Bight of Benin, not the precolonial kingdom of Benin, which is in Nigeria), but in 1894 it was renamed Dahomey, after the recently incorporated kingdom. From 1904 Dahomey formed part of the federation of French West Africa, under the governor-general in Senegal.

And where did the bight of Benin get its name from ?
Notice that the maps which I presented predate the French colonisation of Dahomey !
You can clearly see that the map is that of Benin kingdom ! Apart from "Kingdom of Benin" being written on it, the geographical position of it is clearly not that of Dahomey ! Are you blind ?
This map is from 1747 !! Dahomey was not a colony as of yet !!!!!!!

This is what I hate with Nigerians, you guys know nothing but you just believe you know better. You believe you are actually a professor.
You see "Benin kingdom" written in front of your eyes and you think it is Benin Republic 🤡
In the date of publication of the document there was no such thing as Benin Republic, but you still believe it is magical time traveling Benin Republic🤡

It is amazing that you don't understand that in a PRE-COLONIAL map of Africa, there is no such thing as "colonial Dahomey which the French first called Benin".

Do you by any chance understand a little bit better what I have to deal with when talking to complete ignoramuses like you ?

🤡!!!!!The French colonized Dahomey in 1883 !!!!!!!!🤡