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History needs to be in the curriculum in Nigerian schools. That would avoid this level of ignorance.
The Oba of Benin is 100% right.
What the Oba of Benin said is backed by eyewitness written documents!
But in Nigeria, fat ignoramuses like that charly the crossdresser and this slowpoke pirate calling himself dokubo all believe they are professors. In a country populated by illiterates, the biggest fool (dokubo) will believe he is an incredible genius and will spew his nonsensical thoughts as if he were presenting research for the Nobel price of physics.

walezy14:
Is not new to me, Benin people always re-write history.

We quote eyewitness written records published several hundred years ago and to you that is "rewriting" history. Whereas your own claim is not substantiated and is laced with all kinds of fairytales, and you are the one telling the "true" history

Mccullum:
You meant Benin Republic or what..

Benin Republic got its name in the 1970's, the name originally belongs to the country of the Oba of Benin !!!
I am presenting documents which are several hundred years old !!!!!! These documents clearly talk about Benin kingdom in an era in which there was no such thing as "Benin Republic" !!!!!!!!
It is annoying how you guys know basically nothing at all.

You guys just go around talking fairytales and thinking you are talking history.

Benin Republic which was formerly called Dahomey names itself after us, and you in your ignorance proceed to change our name to "Bini" ?
When your son names your grandchild after you, does that mean you need to proceed and change your name?

Mccullum:
Part of Bini as empire not as indigenous people of Lagos that's called Ereko historically that later shortened to Eko nowadays.

Empire in the sense of large Kingdom. You Nigerians focus on words in a not very smart manner.

How can I make this clearer to you: the oldest eyewitness written records show Lagos as being part of a country called Benin kingdom or Benin empire ruled over by the Oba of Benin !
You are here talking about "indigenous" as if you have a magical document to define what that is, whereas I am giving you evidence but somehow you still believe your magical "indigenous" talk is a better argument.

tolue42:
Hope you can read where I said Britain colonized Nigeria? So what are you saying??

It was Britain who DISCOVERED Nigeria is that what you're saying??

Look at what you were replying. The guy was saying the Portuguese discovered Lagos and hinted that the Portuguese should also lay claim to Lagos. You replied by saying that you can not discover a place where people already lived and then you made the comparison of Britain colonizing Nigeria but not owning Nigeria.
I tried to make sense of your comparing "colonisation" with "discovering". That is why I reminded you that the Portuguese did not colonize Lagos. If that was not your point then you had no point.

Mccullum:
Shut up, Bini didn't own any part of Lagos. If truly Bini had any part in Lagos, why no single part of Lagos state speaking native language of Bini?

Egun people has little part of Lagos in Badagry as small as that part is in that local government, egun still speaking their indigenous language.

Where is that of Bini in Lagos state.

1. It is Benin, not "Bini"
2. Below is a map of Africa published in 1747 by Emanuel Bowen.
3. Benin was a large multilingual kingdom.
4. Scroll up and witness me showing eyewitness written documents claiming very ckairly that Lagos belongs to Benin. That and the Precolonial maps.

Eyewitness writen precolonial text stating clearly that Lagos belongs to Benin:

"Captain Horseley called it Eco, and that is how the yebous refer to it; but it is not their land: it belongs to Benin, whom have named it Korame, you can recognise the Curamo from older Portuguese reports, just like Eko represents the Ichoo from Holland Hydrographs. Long ago Korame was linked to its metropolis by a very narrow piece of land contained between the great Laguna and the sea; but it has been a while since the Yebous have seazed that very narrow piece of land of which the eastern extremity was invaded by ouyo pirates; and Karamé remained isolated at the extremity of the great Laguna, while it continues to receive from Benin it's governor or political chief."

https://gallica.bnf.fr/ark:/12148/bpt6k5806879x.r=Y%C3%A9bou?rk=21459;2

Precolonial map of the region showing that Lagos (in its currents form) and its environs were part of Benin (see below)
https://gallica.bnf.fr/ark:/12148/btv1b8595583b.r=Benin?rk=150215;2


Conclusion: Lagos and its environs were part of Benin.

I am not interested in debating things which have already been proven. Also I am not interested in talking to people whom have been harrassing me. (I also want to add that I am actually the only person whom has commented here who actually speaks french and that I am the person who posted the french caption and the book from which it is to nairaland. Some delusional people who don't speak a word of frecnh were trying to "debate" me on the translation of the text several months ago. Fools can only fool other fools.)

Like most Nigerians, including that fat ignoramus calling himself dokubo, you guys know nothing about history but you just believe you are at the level of professors.

History is not about your feelings or what you believe in nor is it about the present day observations. Things change with time !

History is about studying texts written by eye-witnesses.

You guys confuse Benin city with Benin kingdom.
Benin kingdom was a large precolonial African country, Benin city is just a city within the kingdom, Benin city is the capital of Benin kingdom and the city was first written down as Edda.

seunayantokun:
Good response.
I also commend Asari Dokubo's video reply.
The former Oba of Benin started the falsehood in 2004, I think. He published a book and launched it in Lagos then setting off a wind of controversy. He wanted to run away from his own identity as a descendant of a Yoruba prince, Oranmiyan.
Ọba Ulẹ̀ Ùbínú is a Yoruba king.

There was never any oranmiyan, learn to differentiate fairytales from actual history.
I have documents written hundreds of years ago in which eyewitnesses clairly claim Lagos as being part of Benin. I posted some of them here, which makes me wonder why you posted this.

tolue42:
Illiterate that's what you are. How can someone DISCOVERED a place where people are already living in?

colonization is not thesame thing as "discovered". Britain colonized Nigeria ( including bennin), can we now say Britain discovered Nigeria?

Portuguese never colonized Lagos, nor did they discover it, you and the guy whom you are replying are both wrong.

Precolonial map of west Africa
https://gallica.bnf.fr/ark:/12148/btv1b8595582x.r=Royaume

Racoon:
The first Oba of Lagos was a Benin man. Beside the Portuguese were the first discoverers and named Lagos. So what is all this fuse of ownership of Lagos?

The Portuguese who visited the region wrote down what they saw: Lagos is a part of Benin.

Stoplying:
Precolonial maps of Lagos have Benin written all over them:
https://gallica.bnf.fr/ark:/12148/btv1b8595583b/f1.item.r=Benin.zoom
This more than settles it. Lagos was a part of Benin.

WriterrNig:
⚡Most of the US financial aid for Ukraine is spent on US territory, WaPo reports

Thus, of the 68 billion dollars in military aid approved by the US Congress, almost 90% remains for the Americans.

These funds are used to create new U.S. jobs, opportunities for local suppliers, stores, restaurants and other businesses that support the defense industry.

In that case, why not just give the money to poor Americans ? How is making weapons for Ukraine going to better the lives of Americans ? Why not use that money for healthcare instead ? Why not use it to build infrastructure instead? Why not use it to sponsor student debt ? Why not use it to sponsor small businesses?
No, the money must go into the pockets of the mega wealthy and peanuts shall be given to poor workers to produce weapons for Ukraine. Are American homeless going to eat those weapons ?

ablejesus26:
Loll You actually sound like the uneducated one here.

So I called out someone to tell him not to enjoin ragtags here in doing senseless tribal hate bcus it is a very low and degrading thing to do,what was Your first response??
It is Your Yoruba brothers!!😀😀 how can You claim to be educated when you navigate and religate tribalism to tribe?
Are You saying only people from Yoruba are tribalist?
Does this concept have any bearing on the reality We have at hand?

There are Tribalistic hatefilled morôns in every tribe,Facts!! I likened you with the pro APC niggas we have here bcus their minds works exactly like Yours,anyone who says anything against tifnubu automatically becomes Igbo,but the reality of the Presidential results totally crushes such lame and senseless mindset for even Tinubu's direct family in Osun voted against the disaster tifnubu

So in your so called educated mind,its OK for someone mentally sound to do senseless tribal hate bcus another person is doing it too You are plainly a product of the wishy washy educational system We have running down here
I was not talking on a tribal sentiment when I made that comment on racoon He is one of the peeps I like their comments here,I just feel its quite low for him to cower to such banters as senseless as tribal hate bcus others are doing it,I feel He is too smart for that nonsense. When I see anyone doing senseless tribal hate shenanigans, I call them out directly.

BTW You are a tribalistic hatefilled fellow so its impossible for your mind to be half as sound as mine so just rest😜.

I guess your charade of English "mastering" is over, I exposed it is a useless form of pretention which doesn't show any trace of useful education, therefore you dropped the act and you are now using words like "nigga" and "tiefnubu".
I guess you are a politically motivated hater. Indeed, your hatred is out here and undeniable in your comments.
You are not acting rationally and you are making false accusations against people for the only reason that they are not towing your own line of hatred.

Look, let us end it here, you are just an other nairaland hypocrite. You guys are like big time armed robbers who accuse someone of stealing an orange.
I don't need to exchange with you anymore, I've figured you out already.
As I already said, your ethnicity doesn't matter, what matters are your words and that is what I address, but you seem to not understand that and you focus on "proving" your ethnicity by using words of hatred. That doesn't prove anything and again your ethnicity doesn't matter. I have seen Arabs who have a racist hatred towards Arabs, a person can insult his people to "prove" he is from a different people. There is no way to prove ethnicity on nairaland. All that matters are your words. If you speak yoruba-centric propaganda, it is going to be addressed as such, no one gives a rat's ass if you are yoruba or not. However, if you come here, make a claim and provide real proof, then again you would be right, irrespective of your ethnicity.

Again, don't quote me anymore, you are a hypocrite with nothing to offer except hypocrisy and hatred and false grandstanding.

ablejesus26:
Loll You actually sound like the uneducated one here.

So I called out someone to tell him not to enjoin ragtags here in doing senseless tribal hate bcus it is a very low and degrading thing to do,what was Your first response??
It is Your Yoruba brothers!!😀😀 how can You claim to be educated when you navigate and religate tribalism to tribe?
Are You saying only people from Yoruba are tribalist?
Does this concept have any bearing on the reality We have at hand?

There are Tribalistic hatefilled morôns in every tribe,Facts!! I likened you with the pro APC niggas we have here bcus their minds works exactly like Yours,anyone who says anything against tifnubu automatically becomes Igbo,but the reality of the Presidential results totally crushes such lame and senseless mindset for even Tinubu's direct family in Osun voted against the disaster tifnubu

So in your so called educated mind,its OK for someone mentally sound to do senseless tribal hate bcus another person is doing it too You are plainly a product of the wishy washy educational system We have running down here
I was not talking on a tribal sentiment when I made that comment on racoon He is one of the peeps I like their comments here,I just feel its quite low for him to cower to such banters as senseless as tribal hate bcus others are doing it,I feel He is too smart for that nonsense. When I see anyone doing senseless tribal hate shenanigans, I call them out directly.

BTW You are a tribalistic hatefilled fellow so its impossible for your mind to be half as sound as mine so just rest😜.

I guess your charade of English "mastering" is over, I exposed it is a useless form of pretention which doesn't show any trace of useful education, therefore you dropped the act and you are now using words like "nigga" and "tiefnubu".
I guess you are a politically motivated hater. Indeed, your hatred is out here and undeniable in your comments.
You are not acting rationally and you are making false accusations against people for the only reason that they are not towing your own line of hatred.

Look, let us end it here, you are just an other nairaland hypocrite. You guys are like big time armed robbers who accuse someone of stealing an orange.
I don't need to exchange with you anymore, I've figured you out already.
As I already said, your ethnicity doesn't matter, what matters are your words and that is what I address, but you seem to not understand that and you focus on "proving" your ethnicity by using words of hatred. That doesn't prove anything and again your ethnicity doesn't matter. I have seen Arabs who have a racist hatred towards Arabs, a person can insult his people to "prove" he is from a different people. There is no way to prove ethnicity on nairaland. All that matters are your words. If you speak yoruba-centric propaganda, it is going to be addressed as such, no one gives a rat's ass if you are yoruba or not. However, if you come here, make a claim and provide real proof, then again you would be right, irrespective of your ethnicity.

Again, don't quote me anymore, you are a hypocrite with nothing to offer except hypocrisy and false grandstanding.

ablejesus26:
Loll this one go be pro ipob anyone who tells the truth automatically becomes Yoruba.
You are as useless as the APC urchins we have to deal with here on a daily basis, anyone who tells the truth becomes Igbo

So bcus one idiotic tribally bigoted hatefilled coconut head from Yoruba spils tribal hate, that's the perfect excuse to also join in the show of shame right?
I hope You are not portraying yourself to be Igbo here. Nwafors don't go about doing senseless tribal hate wit useless lazy idiots, all We do is run our business and do the doings of Odugwu.

Strange that I managed to not insult you. But you responded by a mountain of insults, and still you claim that I am the one practicing hatred ?
You see, one of the problems of Nigerians like you is that you are uneducated. You think mastering the English language is the highest form of education, and therefore anytime you talk, you try to show your level of English.
Man, your level of logical reasoning is at zero. Everybody can claim to be telling the truth and that is what all ignorant Nigerian say. But what actually matters is to provide evidence to back your claims, and that is what I have done.
It is strange how you are replying my comment, yet you are too lazy to actually read my comments.
"Odugwu" 🤣, Nigerians and subculture. Why don't you guys go and learn fields of science instead of endlessly creating subcultures out of thin air.
You are calling someone a "hater" while what he is saying is backed by proof. I point that to you and tell you where the hate is coming from, then you proceed to insult me and talk about your "odugwu" and claim to not be yoruba. (Look in reality, your ethnicity doesn't matter, there is no way to verify it. All that matters is what you say and that is what I address).
And you are supposed to be the person standing against hate 🤣 to prove it, you throw insults and show your hatred 🤣

ablejesus26:
Stop doing this senseless tribal hate banters, it makes people sound somewhat stupid.

Don't use the fact that others are doing it as an excuse to engage in such nonsense.

All the hate is coming from your disrespectful yoruba siblings who know nothing about history.
So stop being a fat hypocrite by calling people hateful for not joining in your people's hate campaign. Defending the truth is now what you want to call hate ? While ignoring all the threats to life and insults coming from your brothers ?
You guys live in an alternate reality. You created fake history, and now you create fake present reality.

itsene:
Use your biology to compass tiny England and populous India, a former colony.
Ditto Japan and China.

They don't think with their brains.
They don't know what they are talking about, you present proof, they ignore it and go into reciting unsubstantiated fairytales or reasoning like 5 year old children.

No such thing as oduduwa or oranmiyan, all those fairytales are meant to hide the true history of the yorubas: they descend from slaves whom the Europeans brought to our shores.

True history of the yorubas, part 2:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l2hU-ibkPfg?si=FsDNXaotUanBsoSx

Yoruba need to learn their true history rather than always going around talking fairytales when discussing history and rewriting other people's history.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I0f53aYJElw?si=muAyIPiRkLAvVCtd

https://gallica.bnf.fr/ark:/12148/btv1b8595582x.r=Royaume

Ok, enough.
Yoruba don't know their history and rely on fairytales.
In reality most Yoruba descend from slaves who were brought to our shores by Europeans.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=llporKrPsbU?si=aj1iSlXQRhBNEhLZ

Raf4:
Stop dogging this. Can you dispute the below facts:
One of the evidences that Ife founded Bini is the name of the City
Yoruba ancient surnames that are everywhere in Bini (Nobody is bearing Bini name in Lagos or anywhere in Yorubaland) eg Obasuyi, Alonge, Oyegun, Balogun, Ojo, Ajayi, Ogun......, Ade....Oye....etc
Yoruba/Ife deities are being worshipped in Bini e.g Ogun, Osun, Olokun, Sonponna, Obatala etc. They have Orunmila and Ogboni temples in Bini
Another evidence is that they celebrate Odua (not ekeledaran or whatever) and Oranmiyan festivals in Bini - Igue Oodua, Igue Oranmiyan

This was written by a person who knows nothing about Benin. It is all trash, and again even if these were factual, it is still not what we call historical proof of Benin being founded by Ife !
You are incapable of accepting clear evidence, instead you want to push complete rubbish as evidence.

I've given you enough free lectures.

End.

Raf4:
If you aren't daft and heavily beclouded by hatred, you wouldn't have stated that. You believe that Oba of Bini exists, but his ancestors never existed. Stop being a disgrace to your alma mater as you claimed to be a literate

The problem is that none of your claims is substantiated and that actual proof, which I show, goes against your claims.
Everybody has ancestors, I never said the OBA of Benin doesn't have ancestors, but there is a difference between having ancestors and having an ancestor who came from Ife. Do you understand that?
You are not smart at all.

Raf4:
Let's assume that all you stated about the map are "correct" who drew the map on the first place? You don't believe the records of Yoruba, but believe the colonial masters from thousands of miles away, just as you believe they discovered rive Niger.

1. I should believe yoruba instead of myself and my own people with respect to my people's history 😂
2. The maps were drawn by people who visited our region hundreds of years ago and wrote down what they saw, and you want to compare that with people of today who didn't witness that period of time (several hundreds of years ago)
3. You have difficulties understanding the concept of time. In your head, you can't even imagine that the world existed 500 years ago and that people could travel and write 500 years ago, and that some people from Europe who could write did travel to our region hundreds of years ago and wrote down what they saw ! It is those texts which I am consulting today ! You think I'm reading something written by a person of today ?🤣
4. Your lack of knowledge of history is amazing, you think like a 5 year old child!
5. Do you understand that "year 1747" is an actual year in which people existed ? (It is not the name of a movie) I posted a map published in year 1747 and write down the year in which it was published, but you seem to believe it was published by a guy whom is still alive today 🤣
6. You don't even know the history of colonisation, these documents were made hundreds of years before colonisation.
7. This guy doesn't understand the most basic things.

Raf4:
That's why I rightly put it that you're neither a Yoruba nor Edo, but simply a meddlesome Interloper. Stop pretending, we know where you came from.
No freeborn of Edo will say Oranmiyan was a fairytale that never existed. Without Oranmiyan, there won't be anything like Oba of Bini today.

Dude, who gives a fcvk if I'm Edo or not ?
Your reasoning is stupid. Are we debating my Edoness or history !
Again, oranmiyan, oduduwa...all those are fairytales!
I'm an educated man, I won't fall for your illiterate tricks.

Raf4:
First, it's the map of Africa you posted and how it turned out to be map of Benin or Bini might be a product of your turbulent imagination.
Second, at the stage of yours, I don't want to believe that you don't know the difference between Benin city and Benin Republic, and that both do not have anything in common. Yes, no relationship between Bini city and Benin Republic.

1. I posted several maps. (You are so lazy that you can't even look at page 6)
2. Benin kingdom is what is on the maps
3. When the maps were drawn, Benin Republic didn't exist yet.
4. Benin Republic took its name from Benin kingdom in the 1970's (several hundreds of years after the maps were drawn)
5. Benin city is the capital of Benin kingdom, not the entirety of Benin kingdom, you can see it on the maps
6. You are basically a child, you know nothing at all.

Mosba:
Just assuming you are a biologist studying Yorubas and Benis as species, The only conclusion you will reach is that the dominant specie(Yoruba) spread to and gave birth to Benin and not the other way around.
However, for the sake of our other brothers from the east let's call Lagos A NO MAN'S LAND

Map of Africa published in 1747:

Raf4:
If truly you have any connection to Edo, not to talk of having an Enogie as an uncle, you'll never say Oduduwa and Oranmiyan never existed. Even Oba of Bini will curse you if you say it to him that Oranmiyan, his progenitor, never existed.

Your level of discussion of history is strange. Look is this your historical argument ?
Am I now to argue about this nonsense which you just typed ?
Again: oduduwa, oranmiyan never existed. They are fairytales, not historical figures ! Do you want to discuss history or fairytales ?
If you want to talk about fairytales, I prefer to talk about Peter Pan.

Raf4:
What nonsense did you post? You just posted a map and what exactly is the map showing that you want to call evidence?

A map drawn hundreds of years ago which shows Lagos as being part of Benin, to you that is less of a proof than your oranmiyan fairytales and all those your nonsensical claims ? Also a text written hundreds of years ago in which the author clearly says that Lagos is a part of Benin !
Cognitive dissonance, that is your illness right now.
You have problems comprehending what you see.

Raf4:
Tell us the history of Oba of Bini you know. Also tell us the evidence of Bini founded Lagos that you have

Why don't you just read what I have already posted ? Are you too lazy to do that ?
You are asking me to basically repeat what I have already done on this thread because you are too lazy to just look at previous pages.

Raf4:
Even the same Oba of Bini said it with his mouth during his coronation that the 1st Oba of Bini was Oranmiyan from Uhe/Ife. It is you that's neither Yoruba nor Edo that's doing overheating on top of another people's (who are not even your immediate neighbours) history. Medlesome Interloper!

One of my uncles is an Enogie, an other of my uncles is the governor of Edo-state, not that it has any importance in the discussion. But this is just to show that you talk without knowing what you are talking about.
Also the Oba of Benin said that oduduwa was a Benin prince who landed in Ife and his son oranmiyan came back to take the trone of his grand father.
And again, all that is not relevant to history, it is just a story. Oduduwa, oranmiyan...they never existed.

Raf4:
Oba of Bini should also accept that Ife people founded Bini.

Lagos being founded by Benin is supported by evidence.
Your claim of Benin being founded by Ife is supported by Yoruba mouths and zero evidence.

Benin is not limited to Benin city, Benin city is only the capital of the Kingdom. And Benin is much older than little Ife !
Map of Africa published in 1747 below: