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Android17:
Okay sir.

I said clearly that I may be wrong. Now, bring a more reliable source than Wikipedia, and also show the year when the United States war college started delivering master's degree. It is all in the nuances.

If the war college started delivering master's degrees in 2010 and Buhari attended in 1970 then the the war college delivered 0 master's degree to Buhari.

Android17:
Please define the crime called forgery. I ask because the word can also mean to "invent" stuff

Thanks.

Look, I don't know about defining forgery, I only know tinubu presented a fake diploma to inec and that that is a disqualifying offense which also deserves prison time.

Timothy89:
A man with NEPA bill rule for 8yrs but you think a man with CSU cert will be disqualify



local clown

Again, it is yet to be proven that tinubu graduated at CSU. What is proven however is that he submitted a fake diploma.

Android17:
Questions will be raised by stupid people. You mean Dumbos who asked for WASSCE from Buhari even when he had military trainings in the US etc that are on the same level as acquiring a master's degree? Don't you see the ignoramuses that still make such

I don't know of any military training at that level especially in the era when buhari did his military training. Even up to today, the military sends its personnel to normal universities to get masters degrees. I think that nowadays, some specialised military courses can deliver bachelor's degree, I don't think they can deliver masters as of yet (I may be wrong). But they are few and recent. Military institutions are not there to give soldiers civilian diploma, they are there to teach them the best way to kill, how do you translate that to a civilian diploma?

Princewell2012:
I tire o. I lost my certificate but when I got a Job I sware an affidavit and got a replacement one that I submitted.

Some jobs don't accept affidavits, they want you to present the diploma.

Timothy89:
did Tinubu Graduate from CSU? CSU yes!



Case closed

Nope, and your claim is unsubstantiated, but the topic is: did tinubu submit a fake ? Answer: yes. Case closed.

Android17:
Can you define a crime without intent?

Or better yet, define the crime, forgery? Thanks.

Dude, did you mistake Nigeria for the USA and tinubu for Hilary Clinton and supreme court justice for Comey ?
If you submit a fake then you have commited fraud. Simple.

Bro, there is no such thing as 3rd party issued certificate. You guys just keep repeating your marching orders from tinubu's lawyers.

Ellexy:
You know the funny thing with the so called third party vendors is they act as intermediaries. They don't print certificates of Universities for people, they only act as the agency between the schools and individuals who for one reason or the other are not around to pick it up by themselves.

So that reach out to the schools on the behalf of the students involved, get the certificates from the school and send to the individuals wherever they may be but at a fee. The schools keep records of such cases. So the vendors don't go about printing certificates by themselves for anybody. It is a crime and punishable by the law.

I think it is more about payment. The vendors are there to sell some sort of stamp to the students, that money goes directly to the university. Once the stamp is paid and the form is filled, the university can then proceed and print the diploma, an operation which takes several weeks apparently. This is just my hypothesis. I agree with you however about the vendor being just an intermediary, anything other than that won't make any sense.

Ellexy:
Lol I asked Dayo earlier today where Tinubu got the certificate he submitted to INEC from, till now the answer never come.

It seems that all these pro tinubu trolls are getting their marching orders from tinubu's lawyers.
And notice their repeating the debunked "vendor" claim.
They want to portray replacement diplomas as a thing you can just have anybody who works in a shop do for you, as if it has nothing to do with the university from which the diploma is delivered.

patrickcollins:
And the third party gave him the certificate of secondary school in Lagos that he graduated from before the school was established

3rd party time traveler. 😂

liveLongNprospa:
How can you submit forged documents for an education you acquired?

He probably didn't pass the exams successfully, tinubu is hiding something more serious about his past.

"3rd party vendor" 😂

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nX_MY5JVE4o?si=lkBohTcTzgaziYnq
It is called "buying a fake diploma", it is fraud.

tabaralph:
Mumu the inec needed a certificate and not a transcript idiot, he got the certificate through a third party vendor and that would be cleared in the next 48 hours and you and your like would be back to square zero, Tinubu will rule you for the next 8 years.

You guys need to stop telling lies

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TK_WVKTU708?si=66qq_mnm0McpRRzI
Tinubu submitted a fake diploma from a 3rd party.

okeysoninv:
I don't minced words. Russia lands will be shared . Is going to happen. Mark my words. Russia is nothing. NATO is going going win at the end.

NATO was defeated by Vietnam and also by Afghanistan, but you think it will defeat Russia, slap yourself for this.

okeysoninv:
clearly Putin is insane , your not looking for a new land but you just invade another country. My happiness is that land you claimed is yours will be taken away from you. You're a loser

1. that land separated from Russia only in 1991
2. The people of that land still consider themselves as Russians and they or their parents witnessed the separation.
3. The russians of that land were being massacred by NATO backed western Ukrainians.
4. NATO and western Ukrain were threatenin to expand Nato to Ukraine.

Again, diplomas are official documents, not some ceremonial non entities. These guys with their parallel universe, just to save a tinubu.

Joysammy:
Thank God for accepting that he actually graduated even though you are vomiting rubbish!

Actually, only the authentic diploma will tell us that.
But again, the case is about submitting a forged f
document, not about actually graduating.

12inchess:
That is your unofficial transcript. Stop lying. No school allows you to download official transcripts as PDFs except it is an encrypted PDF that will be authenticated by an online server and made official with Internet connection. I have done official transcript multiple times and I also have the downloaded unofficial transcripts in my possession.

https://www.dscc.edu/content/what-official-or-unofficial-transcript#:~:text=Unofficial
It seems that yourself, you don't actually know what is referred to as "official transcript". A transcript delivered to you is by definition not an "official transcript".
Yet you have been shouting up and down about official transcript.
You guys come here and start playing on words as if it is good replacement for logic.
So tinubu doesn't have an "official transcript" which you are talking about and he also doesn't have an authentic degree. What in this is different from what I have been saying ?
Have I not been saying that transcripts are not official documents? I give up, don't quote me ever again, and try and understand debates before blindly jumping into them and confusing everybody.

blackslayer:
LOL.. I feel sorry for you! So are you admitting there is a such thing as "Official" and "Unofficial" transcript, now that you have learned to search for knowledge outside of what you think you know? The moment you think you are smart is the very moment you start being foolish! Think about that.

Well you may soon recieve an official slap or perhaps an unofficial one, who knows: just a joke to show that I can also add "official" to the name of something.
Dude, me and 12inchess were not debating the same thing. I was not claiming that nobody names a document "official transcript" and he was not claiming that s transcript delivered to a person was official.
I was claiming that any transcript delivered to you is an easily forged document and the only thing official on it is its stamp.
It is for that same reason that the the expression "official transcript" is reserved for a transcript which is transmitted not to you, but to the asking institution directly.

I didn't know of that nomenclature, ok, so what.
And why again are we even talking about nomenclature?

My thesis: the only thing official about your transcript is the stamp on it.

And again, I asked 12inchess the circonstances of him being asked to submit a transcript in order to understand the nuances of what he was talking about, he smugly refused to answer by claiming I was asking "jamb questions". The example which you have is that of a university using transcript, which is one of the cases which I previously identified.

12inchess dives into debates without full knowledge of what is being discussed and creates confusion by debating something else entirely.

blackslayer:
LOL...classic case of deflection when backed to the corner! You said there was no such thing as "Official transcript"!
Do you need me to hold your hands and explain to you to aid in understanding what you have written?

You have to be a troll! I have fed you enough! Have a good day dear sir/ma!

https://www.dscc.edu/content/what-official-or-unofficial-transcript#:~:text=Unofficial%20transcripts%20are%20those%20issued,to%20another%20college%20or%20university.

So basically this is what this guy has been fussing all about. It is just about the way of transmission that is all.

I was actually right in what I was saying, there is nothing official about a transcript, that is why these guys need the university to directly send them the transcript in order to make sure it is not a fake, and the sent transcript is what they refer to as "official".

I may have misunderstood that fellow @12inchess, but again, he was talking out of topic. It seems his aim is just to say that there is such a thing as "official transcript", my thesis was that the transcript delivered to you is not official. We were both right. Since whatever transcript is delivered to you directly is not and can not be official.

https://www.dscc.edu/content/what-official-or-unofficial-transcript#:~:text=Unofficial%20transcripts%20are%20those%20issued,to%20another%20college%20or%20university.
So basically this is what this guy has been fussing all about. It is just about the way of transmission that is all.

blackslayer:
Here, this is an excerpt from Stanford University's website for example :

You must list and provide your unofficial transcript for every post-secondary institution where you were enrolled — or are currently enrolled — in an undergraduate or graduate degree program.

Stanford considers unofficial transcripts to be sufficient for the review process. If you are offered admission to Stanford and accept the offer, you will be required to submit official transcripts/degree conferral documents.

https://gradadmissions.stanford.edu/apply/transcripts

And where does it say what is considered "official" and what is considered "unofficial" transcript?
Where does it say that "stamped university results" are not official transcripts ?
It would have been smarter for you to provide official links in which "official transcript" was defined and "unofficial transcript" was also.

12inchess:
I don't have time to waste discussing with you.If you don't know that there is both unofficial and official transcript in America then you don't know enough about U.S university system to be discussing with me. You can go on Google and search for it yourself

Nope, stamped university results are only official to people like you. To actual educated people like me, they are mere information papers which are very susceptible to be forged. You are yet to say the circumstances in which you were giving a transcript.
Were you applying for a job or for an other school ?
Where was your diploma ? Did you even have a diploma ?
You are remaining vague.
As soon as I asked this question, I became a person who "didn't know enough about American universities to talk to you "

12inchess:
Not in America. I have attempted to submit one with a stamp on it in the past and the school rejected it. I had to go to my University to send them the official one directly from them.

They thought your transcript was a fraud. There is no such thing as "official transcript" it is all the same. But it is a document which can easily be faked. And as you said, you had your university send them the transcript. Your problem is more about the people you submitted your transcript not trusting you.
You haven't said in what circumstances you were submitting your transcript. It seems you don't have a diploma.

blackslayer:
Stop lying!

Where is the lie on what you quoted ?

12inchess:
That is your unofficial transcript. Stop lying. No school allows you to download official transcripts as PDFs except it is an encrypted PDF that will be authenticated by an online server and made official with Internet connection. I have done official transcript multiple times and I also have the downloaded unofficial transcripts in my possession.

The only thing official about a transcript is the stamp on it. Transcripts can not and will not replace diplomas.

12inchess:
You guys again didn't read the deposition or look well at the transcript because it shows clearly there that he not only ATTENEDED the school but also GRADUATED WITH B.S in Business Administration with a Major in Accounting.

You replied the wrong message, stay on topic.
I'm taking about something and you jump in with something completely different...stay focused!

12inchess:
Maybe in Nigeria. But in America what makes a transcript authentic is that it comes DIRECTLY from the school i.e they must be the one to mail it directly to the requesting individual. Even if the school prints it and stamps and you mail it yourself, then it can be agreed to be official except it's in a SEALED and UNOPENED envelope.

I studied in a developed country (France) with the same exact system as in America.
A transcript is just a stamped paper with your results. You can download them nowadays from the university website. Back in the days, you needed to go to the secretary of the university and spend a whole 5 minutes pending the printing and stamping of the transcript.

blackslayer:
It will cost you! I accept paypal or cashapp! I just lost my job anyways so i could use some cash!

1. What is the transitive closure of the empty set ?
2. Give me 3 valid ways of defining the transitive closure of a set of couples.
3. Without infinity axiom, is the transitive closure of belonging a setlike relation ?


Unlike you Nigerians I don't lie as second nature.

zomby:
Again, say hello to your people at Ogbomosho polytechnic

Holy shtt, you are so hooked on tinubu propaganda, it is clear you don't even know what a transcript is and have never seen one, yet you fanatically defend your blind beliefs.

blackslayer:
Got it! Look up inference and i can guarantee you are not a logician from my interaction with you thus far! How do you graduate from an institution without attending it? Because your bone of contention is that i used the word attend! And by the way, i can break apart your arguments which is rife with errors and illogical statements, but i am not in the mood. I just might change my mind if i want to!

Please change your mind and "break apart" my "arguments which is rife with errors and illogical statements".