₦airaland Forum

teepain:
I have taken the liberty to quote you verbatim as I understand the content of your post. As correcting the inherent errors could make me liable to committing the act of forgery, I implore you to correct those typos yourself. Now, jokes apart this your post is your interpretation of the transcript and it doesn't represent the position of the registrar of CSU based on his deposition. If Tinubu, violated any rule in the U.S, it is very easy. Forgery is a big deal in the United States, it is easy for Atiku to file a suit in the American courts and to get the courts to pronounce Tinubu of forgery or otherwise. The determination of forgery of U.S documents or otherwise cannot be done by Nigerians on the social media. Atiku has relied on the independence of the American judiciary thus far, he can still stretch his luck a little bit more. Who knows! He might just strike gold, I date him to.

1. So America now has jurisdiction in Nigerian affairs ?

2.By the way, it is legal in America to print fake diplomas, there is even an advertised business for that, however, it is illegal in America to submit fake diplomas to state agencies or employers or any official setting while claiming they are genuin.

3. What I said was not my interpretation, but just facts, objective facts which are inconvenient to your cause:
a. diplomas are official documents in the USA
b. Diplomas are issued by the universities not by some random shop owners of your choosing.
c. Universities are not printing companies, so they give contracts to high end printing companies in order for those companies to print the university's diplomas
d. The order to print the diploma is given by the university registrar (who keeps a trace of the order) to the "vendor" (contractor under contract to print diplomas for the university) and the request has to reach the registrar's office before the order is given ( the request is also recorded by the registrar's office)

raumdeuter:
Did he graduate from CSU? That's the accountability

Try going through costums with a passport printed by a random shop owner. I bet you the question will not be: is he a citizen of the said country ?
Direct to prison.

Submitting a fake document to an official state agency is against the law . It doesn't matter if you are entitled to a legitimate document or not.

Alamkir:
Where are the mods obomet lalasticlala seun

Hard truths need censorship? 😅
Hug your feelings mate.
#slavelifematters

BreconHills:
Bros ALL criminal acts have mental element mens rea and physical elements actus reus. That's the first thing you learn in criminal law. That's how get the difference between manslaughter and murder.

Even stealing has " intention to permanently deprive..."

I am 47 years at the Nigerian bar and the criminal procedure act has not been changed to exclude intent.

Eventhough I don't have much respect for lawyers (I think they are not very smart). You would need to play your role well enough and provide me with the official texts which talk about "intent" in Nigerian law and which are relevant to this case of forgery.

On an other note, I really don't respect lawyers' intelligence for the fact some of you think it is logical to consider what is going inside someone's head. An information which is not accessible to anybody except the person whom the head belongs to.

Shattuck:
by my understanding the third party vendors aren't just any cyber cafe or anyone with Photoshop skills they are accredited entities, and I also understand that not all institutions does the third party thing, just like how companies outsource recruitment to other firms and also certificate are to Nigeria what transcript is to america, america would not allow you to use an unofficial transcript or visa when you have an original for anything. Official Nigeria does not deal on transcript what we deal on is certificate, official america does not deal on certificate what they deal on is transcript as I have come to understand but america can never compromise on the authenticity of it's official document.

Diplomas have the same value in Nigeria as in America, don't let tinubu's lawyers fool you.

iamoyindamola:
Bro I am a Muslim
Israel hardly strike first without been attacked
Yes or No?

So you mean all the unprovoked Israel strikes on Damascus were retaliation?
So you mean Israeli killings of Iranian nuclear scientists were "retaliation" ?

teepain:
First, the authority to issue certificates to students lies with the institution (CSU) and if it is agreed that they authorize replacement certificates by 3rd parties, that is the end. It would have been a different case if it was a Nigerian institution because replacement certificates are issued by the school themselves.

You are confused about the language. The expression "3rd party", when used by Americans in this context, means: company in contract with the university to print the diplomas of the university. Basically, in our own language, we would say "contractor".

You guys are confusing the legal coded words of the Americans on purpose. The university doesn't recognise diplomas printed by random shops as its legitimate diplomas. The legitimate "dipolma-vendor" works for the university under contract and the request for printing a diploma has to go through the university registrar who would then give the order to print or not to print the diploma to the dipolma-vendor.

Timmi:
will the document which is not even a legal tender in the US be admitted or deemed as a false document in Nigeria?

Diplomas are legal and official documents everywhere in the world, forged diplomas however are not legal nor official anywhere in the world.

1. For the last time, dipolmas play the same role in the USA as they do in Nigeria and anywhere else. People are trying to create an alternate reality to protect tinubu.
2. Even if these tinubu supporters (who want to portray themselves as neutral) were right, which they are not, tinubu submitted the fake diploma in Nigeria where the law of the land doesn't recognise a self-made diploma as a genuine diploma.
3. No, transcripts do not have in America, the role diplomas have in nigeria. Diplomas have the same role in every country on earth.
4. American legal language calls "vendor" a company which is in contract with an other company to produce specialized services. That is why the companies in contract with universities to produce diplomas are referred to as diploma vendors in us legal language. It doesn't mean you can just go into any shop and print a diploma for yourself.

Your university is in charge of giving you a diploma and only your university can, however, to do that task, your university has given a contract to a high end printing company which would handle the technical task of printing the diploma on behalf of the university.

The show is still being ran by your university for which the contractor is working, and your university gives the order to the contractor to print or not to print the diploma after the request arrived at the desk of your university registrar, you don't get to just go to any shop owner out there and tell him to print a diploma for you.

Ramsak1:
Your darling US, but your name na Ayo.
😂😂😂..
Dem suppose find sugar plantation for you for US, make you for actualize your slavery calling.

Na, you are mistaking, his ancestors were slaves in Brazil, not the USA. Most "oduduwa" guys descend from South American slaves whom Europeans dumped on our shores.

BreconHills:
Forgery is not the act alone, it requires an intention to deceive.

You are confusing USA law with the law of other countries. The only country I know of which talks about "intent" is the USA. Nigeria doesn't (to the best of my knowledge) have that "intent" nonesense in its law.

There is a deliberate confusion by tinubu's lawyers. They are trying to confuse contractors working for universities under contract to print dipolmas and "vendors" whom are private and random shop owners.
The Americans use the name vendor when talking about contractors. It is just a coded word. The Americans are not referring to random shop owners but to contractors who work for universities under a contract to deliver diplomas.

Kukutente23:
I totally disagree with Prof Kperoogi on two premises.
Firstly, the American tradition and jurisprudence does not extend to Nigeria. If a certificate is purely ceremonial in the US, it is not so here in Nigeria. The Nigerian system recognises a certificate as a legal document which must not be tampered with under any circumstances and which can only be issued by an entity with the authority to do so. Tinubu himself is very aware of this which is why he sought CSU to authenticate the self- manufactured certificate which they obviously refused to. In any case, CSU has provision for replacing certificates which is the route Tinubu should have taken instead of going about the whole thing in a shoddy and illegal manner.
The Nigerian system takes certificates very seriously which is why there is provision of statement of results issued to students at completion of studies pending when certificates are ready to be picked up. In the absence of that, a "To whom it may concern" note can be sought and obtained as a stand- in. The Nigerian laws and system does not envisage a situation where a student will become the certifying authority just because he graduated.
Secondly, I have taken professional US exams before and the website usually refers you to another third party website to pick up your certificates. I believe that's what Prof is talking about but what is important here is that it is the certifying institution which gives the third party site the authority to print the right to print and also those to print for. I believe that's what CSU was saying about third party vendor printing certificates and not the erroneous impression flying about that anyone can go to any printing centre of his choice to print certificates.
Lastly, Prof Kperoogi should be mindful of the impression he's creating in the minds of Nigerians about the US system. If US certificates are not worth the papers they are printed on, the question is why print them at all? Why not just hand over the transcripts to the students as proof they graduated instead of giving them worthless certificates whose validity and authenticity can't be relied upon? What about the signature of the school's principal officers? Is he implying that students in the US are at liberty to allocate signatures of the school's officers on documents without their consent and notice so long as they graduated? I want to believe this is not so.

There is a deliberate confusion by tinubu's lawyers. They are trying to confuse contractors working for universities under contract to print dipolmas and vendors whom are private and random shop owners. The Americans use the name vendor when talking about contractors. It is just a coded word. The Americans are not referring to random shop owners but to contractors who work for universities under a contract to deliver diplomas.

There is a deliberate confusion by tinubu's lawyers. They are trying to confuse contractors working for universities under contract to print dipolmas and vendors whom are private and random shop owners. The Americans use the name vendor when talking about contractors. It is just a coded word. The Americans are not referring to random shop owners but to contractors who work for universities under a contract to deliver diplomas.

aremubabs:
He doesn't need to arrest everyone. A few scapegoats is enough.

So this is what you guys mean by "democracy" 😅

And this is what you wanted Niger Republic to revert back to 😂

And you guys day "civilian rule is better than military rule" 🤣

Let us just face it, this is not a democracy, it is a rigged-electoral dictatorship. The president is nothing but a civilian dictator who does an electoral coup to become president.

When the military wants to remove this corrupt regime the people will welcome it. 🥳
Congrats yarr.iba your ethnocentrism has finally exposed you.

kabillionaire:
But we are not in America, are we?

They are making a confusion on purpose:
1. Professors don't print diplomas
2. Therefore universities everywhere in this world have professionals printing their diplomas for them, those professionals are called diploma vendors. They have contracts with the universities for which they print the diplomas.

Stevebuffet:
3rd parties don’t do replacement certificate, not for Chicago State University which he allegedly attended.

I know, as a person who went to a university in a developed country. These guys just go on creating an alternate universe in which tinubu did not commit fraud.

tolue42:
Ogbeni (Mr) stop disturbing yourself.
I checked a school in California, it is boldly writing on their website that to get reissued certificate from them you will pay 25$, but for you to get it through their vendors you'll pay 50$. Please go and make research yourself. Stop dwelling on public opinions.

1. "their vendor" ! Not a third party ! Their own vendor which works for them ! You guys are annoying.
2. Produce proof for your claim ! What stops you from posting a link to the page in which you saw that and a screen shot ? I am supposed to go and prove your own claim for you? Right now you have me discussing about a thing which might not even exist.

I give up talking to you, I have better things to do with my life than wasting it with a fool.

tesppidd:
Relax geee 😁

Just giving the benefit of the doubt.

You seem to not realise how all this nonesense hurts people like me who worked hard for their diplomas, and now you guys are making it seem like one can just go into a shop and have the shop owner print a valid diploma for him ?
Benefit of the doubt for an obvious lie, that is nothing but stupidity.

dNortherner:
I know but if 'am not mistaken, the school has also clear the air that "a third party can issue a replacement result". What evidence are we still looking for?

No, that is an obvious lie. No 3rd party "can issue a replacement result".
It is very hard for me to understand how a functioning brain can get fooled by this obvious lie.
You guys are very gullible.

Phantom233:
if The so called thid party are the ones producing lost certificate in America then who verifies what they produced to ensure that there's no discrepancies?,🤔🤔

The fact people are not busting out with laughter when they hear tinubu's paid trolls repeat the "3rd party" lies of tinubu's lawyers is what makes me fear for the future of Nigeria.

VIKTO83:
Continue.
U will learn d hard way.
As long as d law is concerned, even if Tinubu write his certificate with Biro pen, it is still acceptable as long as d law of the court try he obtained d certificate is concerned.

So people like u expected him not to submit any certificate at all...
U guys reason same way.

🤣 I don't think I need to respond to this. Your delusion is obvious to all.

tolue42:
Something the registrar talked about under oath? Now I understand, you're one of the people David Hundai always interpret English to

I don't know who you are, nor do I know who David hundai is. What I do know is that tinubu presented a fake diploma. I also do know that "3rd party vendor" is a scam. Universities who use "3rd party vendors" only use them to collect money while the document will be printed by the university and chipped to the former student.
Some other universities have their own diploma vendors, not a 3rd party.
CSU has none of that, you fill the following form and pay the fee to get a replacement diploma from CSU.

dNortherner:
Guys to be realistic, even if 'am not supporting Tinubu since the school where he said he graduated says he actually did. What exactly are you guys looking for again? A US school for that matter. Oh God! Why are we Nigerians like this?

1. The law is the law. You go against the law, you get punished like everybody else. Submitting a fake diploma is against the law.
2. It is not about someone saying something, people can be bought and lie, it is about producing evidence.

Dsimmer:
As stated by who? You should mention it first or shut your hole!

As stated by tinubu's lawyers.
The "3rd party vendor" thing is a lie, no "3rd party vendor" can print a university diploma.
Also the signature on the diploma must be that of the current (at the time of issuing the replacement diploma) president of the university, not oluwole !

VIKTO83:
I pity person way dey go sue for defaming the president.
That person go suffer ehhhh

Telling the truth is not defamation. Tinubu presented a fake diploma. Your threats won't shut people up

tolue42:
Then schooling in the North America is a crime for Nigerians based on your position. Abi how do you people think?

Someone schooled abroad and did what is legal there on his academic records, you're here talking jargons in mouth?

It's all about sentiments and hatred towards this man, nothing else.

But the problem is that "3rd parties" don't actually deliver university diplomas in the USA. That lie is straight from tinubu's lawyers and repeated by tinubu's trolls.
By the way, any replacement diploma mist be signed by the current president if the university.

casualobserver:
Thankfully the value of the opinions of minions like you is zero!

And I shall know your document is not fake because ?
Dude, again I don't care if tinubu graduated, it is your obsession, not mine ! I care that he submitted a fake diploma !
Defending fake diploma with other fake documents 🤣

StOla:
Stop confusing yourself.

Paradigm is a 3rd party vendor to any of the schools that it prints for.

https://www.brown.edu/about/administration/registrar/academic-records/diplomas/replacement-diplomas

Interesting, the signature of the current president of the university is supposed to be on the replacement diploma.
Yoruba, the lying tribe.

StOla:
Stop confusing yourself.

Paradigm is a 3rd party vendor to any of the schools that it prints for.

Even when a school has Paradigm as the only provider of its certificates, did it not refer to Paradigm as a 3rd Party vendor?

https://www.brown.edu/about/administration/registrar/academic-records/diplomas/replacement-diplomas

Where is there a claim that paradigm is a 3rd party vendor as opposed to "our vendor" ?

casualobserver:
I am not claiming anything, the university said under oath he was their student and he graduated with honours.

This is your claim, it is up to you to prove it.
Also, as I already stated, I am not concerned about his graduation status but about the fact he submitted a fake diploma.