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somehow:
@N3xt/Brabus/BrabusNG


Your game today is to flood the thread with irrelevance so as to crowd out the main issue.

Face your problem that you created yourself and refund what you deceifully collected and spent.


The above should be your concern right now if truly you're not a confirmed criminal from the getgo.

The fraudster would rather face everything but the issue at hand!

n3xt:
Smiles. I didn’t create a whole new account just because of one man. Just as you created several emails to carry out your mischievous acts in a faceless world.

I know you know that I know you by now. And I know you’d be surprised how I could do that despite your craftiness.

Check 96% of your post and tell me what you think.

Enjoy your temporary moment of fame! I’m out bro.

blah blah blah.

I am so scared.

Is that supposed to be a threat?
Will you come and plant charms or prayer stones at my residence? or bribe security to rob me?

Please save your morning hysterics for someone else

n3xt:
I was expecting the regular and well-intentioned pickup lines.

I can see that you don't have work to do today as usual

So you want to sit on this forum and engage in you usual antics.

No. Thank you.

n3xt:
When you’re in the faceless world, you’re everything and anything.

I’d caution you to be careful what you write. Not a threat but a piece of brotherly advice.

Go on.

more endless and pointless rambling as usual.

Save your caution for yourself....

n3xt:
Nothing personal bro. I have my own rules and I play by the rules. I play across borders.

Have you heard about ADL in New York, US?

ohhhh. I am so scared

You want to take me to the Anti Defamation league?
ooooo ... I am shaking in my boots ... oooooo

Please save your morning hysterics for someone else. Someone that cannot execute a simple refund want to take overseas "legal" action!

They do not take lame cases like yours

Maybe the "mob action/ cyber mobbing " Legal luminaires will tell us today what the fraudster builders recent actions and comments today constitute

n3xt:
Oh I never knew it has been waived. Thanks for the information.

How’s your construction biz bro?

First of all, I am not your "bro"


My business is going well.

How about yours?

Since we all know you are not asking with the best of intentions.

We try to be diligent and do a professional job
We have no clients we owe money to.
We have not stolen any clients money or materials.
We have not revealed private client information in a public forum
We have nor conspired with insiders to defraud clients
We have not insulted clients and called them names . Matter of fact We try to go above and beyond even when the client is asking over and beyond

Your petty attempts at getting personal and doxxing are noted.

You can always be counted on to be the complete scumbag that you are

Complete psychopath.

Consistently brings up the item of broken glass. When that is a tiny part of the cost of items already paid for and has apparently been waived by the owner.


The gas lighting behavior and lies are evident for the clear eyed to see.

coldcandy:
Reducing the matter btw Somehow and N3xt (and indeed btw N3xt & 11+ others) to an issue of debt is a misrepresentation of the facts.
If NL has an active policing system this Nxt would not have been here by now and no need for the "mob". Even in sane systems there are vigilantes.
So, oga, delete your mob and replace it with VIGILANTES.
Shout out to all the vigilantes in this thread who are working to prevent another victim from agony of substandard building. Let no vendor be swallowing semo with project money and be taunting the client at the same time!

Some people will never acknowledge the truth, even if the facts hit them across the face with a 2 x 4

somehow:
When it's time to put their money where their mouth is, they will disappear but come here to preach or label those who has chosen to expose and warn potential victims about a certain known character.

Today is 20th, rather than type epistle, you can as well help him out or just give him a project he can use the money to pay up the one he was paid before but spent.

Even with all the evidence(s) scattered all over Nairaland, they rather bury their heads in the sand and start asking silly questions answered multiple times already.

Nonsense upon nonsense.

I know the excuses I'm dealing with offline, that I'm quiet here does not give any bloody person not affected by the matter the right to dance in my garden.

Leave them.

When it comes to other peoples money, It is very easy to play "devils advocate" or "neutral observer"

But they have no problem calling people who warn others part of a mob or cyber bullies

FEGEITOK:
For the records, I have asked the vendor to show good faith, I have asked him to make partial payments if he is unable to make payment in full, I have also asked him to consult a lawyer.

Check those words against my moniker. The relevant posts will appear

I have said before actions and inactions can create legal obligations. That A doesn't realize this doesn't mean that B will not. That C does not take action doesn't mean D will not take action to enforce his or her rights.

What I will not do is post the above everytime the vendor posts, I will not engage in such collective action, my license to practice is too important to join those who know no better to do what is patently wrong.

I came from a background in which words are currency, so I pick and choose my words very carefully.

I insist that the words "mob action" apply to the matter at hand. Every word or phrase has several meanings and I have clarified that the meaning under American law which makes it a crime is not my meaning, I used it in it's plain literal meaning and not legal meaning.

If there is any legal meaning attached under Nigerian Law, then the appropriate word is "cyber bullying" and there have been cases in that regard that you can look up to see if they don't apply.

When in a hole, stop digging.

I am well aware of your posts and their leaning in this case

The fact that you will not do something does not make it ILLEGAL.

I post when I want to.

Again show how I have bullied or participated in online mob bullying.

You made the claim, PROVE IT

FEGEITOK:
It doesn't matter whether the bullying is from the side of the vendor or the client.

I deal with principles, either way the same principles apply, it is wrong.

Once you determine a principle in law, all you need to do next is to find fact pattern matches.

issue #1: a vendor is owing a client

issue #2: the client asked the vendor to pay

issue#3: the vendor is either unable to pay or is refusing to pay

issue#4: the client said the vendor will have no peace until the vendor pays

issue#5: the vendor has sympathizers that insist that acting in concert with the client they will ensure the vendor has no peace until he pays the client

issue#6: ever since the public statements to the above above, see issue#5, whenever the vendor posts, the client and sympathetic monikers always post disclaimers, innuendoes, etc?

What is wrong then with calling the actions of the client and the sympathetic monikers mob action? online mobbing? cyber bullying

Is it impossible to discuss the action by itself (the actus reus) without the motive (mens rea)?

I said it from the get-go, that I am not concerned with the state of the mind of the posters but the actions of the posters.

The actions of the posters constitute mob action against the vendor, one or more of them have made posts to that effect in the past.

Don't just have the time to dig those posts out.

It is what is it, unpalatable as it maybe.

Even in the courts, the judges will take a look at both the actions and the state of mind individually and separately before attempting to make inferences from considering both together.

End of discussion

I come from a long line of lawyers on both sides of the family, so forgive me for seeing things legally and not just morally.

That said, I hope and pray the vendor resolves the contractual dispute with the client ASAP, I said that much in the past, that is my position today.

But two wrongs do not make a right, and it is my duty to spot the wrong when I see it
EDITED

Again show where my posts constitute harassment tor cyber bulling or whatever is newly alleged and the so called "Mob" behavior.

Like I told you before I do not coordinate. That people post similar things does not mean a mob or mob behavior. If so the same applies to the repliers/supporters/passive commenters with our fraudster builder.

While you are looking for patterns maybe look at the allegations against our fraudster builder, maybe you will find something....look at the list and go down that road.

I notice you did not say anything about the actual LEGAL CONTRACT , since you are legally inclined

It is interesting the direction your ire and condemnation has been trained to .

Anyways my lawyers have advised me not to discuss this issue further as there may be a case for defamation since you accused me of cyber bullying, mob action, harassment amongst others

FEGEITOK:
It is not always what is said it is also the implications of what is done.

If a third party sees a gang of motor park touts appear around a vehicle driven by a non member of the park to force his away for stopping to pick a passenger in front of their park does it matter that there was no prearrangement?

Didn't they gather together to achieve the same purpose at the same time?

I never used mob action in the meaning under US law.

Mob action is when a group of people come together to enforce their own version of right over another.

If it happens online it can be called an online mob or cyber bullying.

Check cyber bullying under Nigerian Law.

You are still here with all your legal mumbo jumbo

From mob action to flash mob to cyber mobbing to harassment to intimidation and harassment..

So it is not what is said now...it is implication hmmmm......

Please get your facts straight and illustrate clearly how I and by extension "the mob" you claim I am a part-of have bullied here

I will soon start charging you for legal advice

GoodFaith:
Vendors are the mob dude
Oh Boy use your head now na vendors gang up against other people here
n3xt or Bosu was sending me WhatsApp text regarding other vendor
n3xt or Bosu though I was the vendor client
What n3xt or Bosu did is what is called "harassment and intimidation"

What?
If true

you see am now?

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FEGEITOK:
It is not one person but the actions of all accounts who post immediately after the vendor who is owing a client that constitutes mob action.

I repeat the actions as a collective.

That includes the harassment and intimidation meted out to other vendors who those monikers are assumed to have a soft spot for the vendor in question.

Pray tell which law backed the action of hounding a vendor and forcing him to make comments in support of your cause, going to his page to make derisory comments.

What's the difference between that and the mob action by those who believe in homosexuality against anyone who believes the opposite.

A mob is a group not one person.

The actions of all those monikers in concert is the issue.

I don't care about your cause whether it is right or wrong.

All I care is to call it by its name.

That does not take away from the fact that there is a debt that should be paid.

Separate emotions from issues and you will appreciate my angle.

Whether it is mob action, online mob, or flash mob (afterall all those monikers come out in a flash as soon as the said vendor posts) , it all qualifies as cyber bullying by the said monikers.

That's why I provided examples in the pasted links and pictures extract the principles ignore the parties there is no difference.

You keep twisting yourself with legal words and jargon you do not understand.

I have not harassed anyone on this platform. FACT
Posting the public record and client testimonials of a fake builder is not harassment or intimidation- FACT

I do not and have never coordinated my posts or been in PRIVATE communication with anyone on this forum- FACT.

Posting after or close to someone one is not harassment.

By your logic also. The folks that communicate with the fraudster builder by replying, supporting or lending him credibility can also be said to be in conspiracy with him to perpetuate his fraudulent scheme on this platform right?
I don't think so

Again posting buyer beware is not harassment

Finally I will take it that you do not fully understand the issues here as can be seen from your blaming the existing QS, pleadings for independent QS, and asking for independent arbitrator.

The contract is clear on what remedy the client has when the contract is breached by the contractor, and there is no dispute on who did not fulfill their end of the contract. see picture

The owner can complete the building and bill the contractor as appropriate.

[quote author=FEGEITOK post=112111062][/quote]So it is cyber mobbing/cyber bullying now ..

For the third and final time, I ask .

How is posting "buyer beware" and client reviews of a fraudster builder mob action, flash mob, online mobbing and now cyber bullying

So can I also say that YOU accusing me of mob action, online mobbing , and flash mobbing is also cyber bulling ?

I can see that you are a knowledgeable and learned person.
Please get your facts straight.

FEGEITOK:
For anyone wondering if the actions described constitute online mobbing aka mob action, here is some reading for you and some questions as well:

1. What is a mob?

2. Is one person or mob or is a mob a collection of people?

3. What does a mob do?

4. Can mob action be offline only? If no

5. Can mob action be online?

6. What drives mob action?

7. Do mob actions necessarily follow established legal rules for problem resolutions? If no

8. Is it not true that mobs have a mind of their own and that in the pursuit of such objectives they may inadvertently cross legal red lines?

9. Can mob action result in good or bad?

10. Does the end always justify the means?

You will understand my position if and when someone successfully brings an action on harassment, that actions have consequences.

I will not repeat my position on the contractual dispute, it was stated previously and I have no reason to restate, that said, I just wanted to point it what is happening for what it is.

It is no different from what the local government thugs or motor park thugs do.

The only difference is that is online.

It is YOU that needs to do the reading...

You made a claim that posts are some sort of mob action, then flash mob, now online mobbing . Which is it?

Maybe you should do more research on the claims you make.

Again I ask how is posting caveat emptor and reviews from a fraudster builder mobbing or whatever new term you come up with?

DUNKA:
I understand and it was Just a sarcastic reference to poster since poster is calling it "mob action" on calling out a record of misrepresentation and and deceit for more than 10 years by an identified building contractor (Bosun Davies Shoyeye) with loses of million gone down the drain.

NOTED

DUNKA:
Just leave them the mob action will continue as long as Bosun Davise Shoyeye a.k.a next/nexthome/brabus/kobocity etc,is freely posting his adverts, giving faraway advise that he does not do without restriction posting here without doing the right thing

The poster can assist him in refunding somehow his money that he had publicly agreed to do so and can also give him his building projects to handle for all I care. It is not by mouth I had supported and admired Bosun before so what else is new?

There is no peace for the wicked

For the record. I do not support mob action of any kind on this forum.

FEGEITOK:
I did not pass judgment on the good or bad of your methods.

Simply describing your methods for what they are.

Nice try.
I was not sure you were referring to my posts, but now that it is confirmed,

Yes. You did pass judgement. You called it mob action.



1.You described the posts as "mob action" not "flash mob".
I am sure you know they are 2 different things and mob action is a criminal offence. Also my posts are not "flash mob" like you claim . Read the definition again

2. I have never called for the silencing of any member of this forum. This is an open forum and I always encourage discussion.
If the fraudster builder want to continue to advertise here, other forum members have the right to make his record clear for new members.

The client reviews and testimonies speak for themselves

3. I believe if someone has

a Questionable ethical behavior,
b. Not a professional but claims to be one.
c Insults and abuses clients
d. Publishes clients private information in a public forum
e. Has SEVERAL CREDIBLE CLAIMS of theft, diversion of funds, financial misappropriation against them
f. Colluded and attempted to collude with insiders/family members to defraud a client
g. Other dubious conduct too numerous to name


I will give such a person a very wide berth That is just my opinion

IMO giving any sense of credibility to the resident fraudster does a disservice to the purpose of this thread and the newcomers who may be ensnared.

...maybe I have a different way of seeing things

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Hmmm....

It is interesting that the frequent posts to warn newcomers on the activities of our resident fraudster could be described as "mob action"...

If so, what can the frequent posts/ spam advertisement masking as advise from the resident fraudster be described as

Riddle for the day

The " jack of all trade master of none" fraudster builder is back...

BEWARE...

THE HUNGER IS REAL AND THE RESIDENT FRAUDSTER BUILDER IS BACK


BEWARE.
So you don't fall into badluck

Fraudster builder is back...

watch your wallet .
ole is on the prowl.

BEWARE

our resident fraudster builder is back!!!

BEWARE

The fraudster builder is back again...
The hunger is REAL.

BEWARE

MMotimo:
This Van bottel na crazy guy! I gave up on him when he asked me to bring out my shoe collection to compete with the okrika ok Anyway, nice to see your energy directed to where it’s needed.

My beer parlour analogy from 6/7 years ago still applies. Honourable gentlemen should not allow a club member who has shown his stripes over and over again to mix freely.

It’s not that hard to make money in this industry and on this thread. You just need to gb’ori duro (set your head straight), behave yourself, execute with excellence and see referral business expand your coast. Many can testify to that.

When you treat your customers well, it’s easy for them to testify and recommend you. . . . . . easy money! Unless you are a fly by night vendor, there’s no need to get greedy. Be fair and honest in your dealings and watch the money come, along with peace of mind, the sacred alafia that money cannot buy. Make money that you can enjoy without disgrace and abuku, insults.

Just because you are a builder does not mean you should make all the money you want in life from one project. Slow and steady is not a bad term. The thing about dishonest money is “easy come, easy go.” With all the millions that have passed through his hands, what is N3xt’s net worth today? How much liquid cash can he boast of after more than 10 years as a builder? Not customers’ money o, money that 100% belongs to him.

The thing about riches is when you are jeje doing your own thing, working hard and with integrity; one day you’ll look up and realize that you have more than you could imagine. True, enduring, peace-accompanied, permanent blessings are from God not from theft.

Thanks to all that have spoken and continue to speak up against this scourge. Special mention to Dunka and Stopthecap, may God protect all that belongs to you. It’s easier to just keep quiet but you gentlemen have not. God bless una flenti flenti.

Thank you for the kind remarks.. be rest assured there will be vigilance on this thread.

Good to hear !!

It is refreshing to see positive reviews from clients and vendors on this thread again ..

whew!!!!

somehow:
Who were the people you report to on site?

Post evidence, u no fit, na to dey dribble yourself up and down wasting people's time with your idleness.

That is all that is left to do:
Waste the forum's time with non-pertinent information and endless talking in circles.

That is all that is left to do when there are no new victims here