₦airaland Forum

Aloy_Emeka:
Okay. Good one. Only if you are lettered enough to read and comprehend.

He is an Ibo man using Yoruba name to commit crime!
Na today
Anuofia!

The Nigerian amongst them is most likely Ibo?
What a shame on Iboland!

Thank God I am not Ibo!

350 billion ke
Not even up to that!

iyatrustee:
i said it. you be hired assasin. for one thread now, you dey talk about gun and for here sef?

Yeah, i have been hired to despoil you G-*spot

Pukkah:
Have you considered the possibility of Jonathan Goodluck running on the platform of ACN with Ribadu as his running mate?

Very good idea, if the votes would count and the people voting all live in Lagos, Abuja, PH, Kano, Kaduna, Ibadan and they all read SR
As long as money and election malpractices continue to be the dominant factors in the nation's electoral system and as long as the people are poor and lack the capacity to make effective demand from government, that idea will never fly.

I did not write the bible, did I?

^^^

God does not give us a problem we cannot handle, right?

^^^

Your support for ACN seems sentimental to me
You seem to believe that some how ACN can win the presidency, which is just IMO impossible at this time

For them to have a shot, they have to be as practical as the PDP
Until then, they will continue to be irrelevant natianally

What should I do?
Should I threaten her with a gun?

Please advise friends!

Mr Cork,
I bet she is IBO
Do you agree with me that the guy needs a gun?

it's on their website
Instead of visiting NL, I'd visit www.unilag.edu.

^^^ Ode ni e
I be real gun runner

Since she is Ibo
She is definitely a witch

I think the father did the right thoingy!

@DapoBear

The late sage, Chief Obafemi Awolowo in his books Voice of Wisdom and Path to Nigerian Greatness noted that the evils of foreign rule may be far less than the evils which may be perpetrated under self-governance by the affluent natives or the local moguls who, if left to their own devices may constitute themselves into class oligarchy and secure the supreme power for themselves in the form of tyranny and arbitrary dictatorship. He stated further that native tyranny and oppression will become more pronounced when a cabal or group of feudal lords seize political power and refuse to hand over to others outside his own hierarchy. For Chief Awolowo, the inability of a regime - civilian or military - to extricate itself from the 'sweet uses and chuckles' of power breeds tenacity of office. He defined this as a 'political monstrosity whose characteristics are inordinate and shameless love of power for its own sake, '

Exactly what PDP is. ACN should learn from PDP. Biuld it up and change the game afterwards. The fact is that as preparations for the 2011 national general elections take shape, one thing seems almost certain - the political entrepreneurs that produced General Obasanjo as the President of the country in 1999 and 2003 and Yar'Adua in 2007 would most likely produce the next president. Not many of the politicians in the opposition group recognize power as the essence of the political game. They often define their roles in the political process too narrowly sometimes on principles and sometimes based on misplaced priorities and self-interest. A classical example is the failure of the Alliance for Democracy, and by extension the ACN in past national general elections. The leaders of the party, because of their misplaced priorities and self interest, lost woefully to the Peoples Democratic Party. Greed and ethnic sentments were the main determinants of their political moves, they forgot that the political game is played by political parties and that individuals are only agents of the party

It is important to try to gain some insight into how the ruling class in the country perceive politics and power. Primarily because the political class evolve largely from a military system, politics is seen more as a battle of supremacy where laws and rules are only applied to losers in the political game. The losers of any war are often accused and/or tried for the same offence that the winner also commits. Similarly, a coup d'etat is only a crime if it was unsuccessful. The Ngige saga in Anambra and the Omisore case may be explained by this principle. For the ruling political leaders in the country, it is a supremacy game, and quite unfortunate that things turn out the way they did without a clear loser to punish. Mustapha and Bamayi are the unfortunate scapegoats of the Abacha government, just as Umaru Dikko and others were the unfortunate scapegoats of the Shagari government and Afolabi and others are the much needed prove of the anti-corruption campaign of the present government. There is absolutely no intention to convict anyone because they all still remain potential Presidents, Ministers, Governors, Senators, etc

In the end, The important point is to realise that good talk, principled actions and sound ideologies are not suff~cient to make realistic political impact in the real Nigeria. Money and election malpractices will continue to be the dominant factors in the nation's electoral system as long as the people are poor and lacks the capacity to make effective demand from government.

Get a gun
If you talk to her yourself, she wont bulge
With a gun, she'd better listen

Go in the middle of the night, again, with a G U N
Girls respect guns
and my friend thats the only language they understand

If you need help, I can connect you to a friend of mine in Akoka
He is a professional
He'd do it OJ styleeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee.

Again, get a gun!

^^^
This is not a serious thread
You need to be able to differentiate serious from non-serious threads

So that you dont waste your time and energy replying to dimwits like the OP

The poster is on drugs!

DapoBear:
Let us not overreach. Let us only take what can safely be taken. We can take the VP position with 50%+ probability with an old man in Buhari as president. Even if we are somehow not able to gain the presidency after old man Buhari's tenure, we can leverage our new position into something else. That to me is a better proposition than the 2% probability we could take the presidency directly (and at the cost of great political capital.)
The beauty of this too is that we aren't spending much political capital achieving this objective. All we are doing is taking advantage of the fact that both PDP choices are very weak in the North, and can be defeated there. So we are not directly spending our own political capital by making deals to get the SS, SE, or North behind us. We are only taking advantage of a mistake the PDP made.
This is the weakest the PDP is ever likely to be, with Atiku and GEJ going at each other like this. All of the material they use to slander and tar each other, we can use when it comes time for the ACN candidate to attack the PDP one. If GEJ is defeated, we can directly use statements he himself made that suggest that Atiku is a poor choice! And vice versa.
If the PDP comes out of 2011 with the presidency intact, then they'll probably hold onto it forever. If we unseat them now, then their party is broken and scattered to the four winds. And then this leaves a new political dispensation, one in which the ACN is one of the more formidable parties in the land. This is the time to strike, and to hit as hard as you possibly can, imo.

This is all American talk.
This style of politiking works quite fine in America
Nigeria is a different environment all together
Do you honestly think the average northerner gives a shyyt about what some Yarubawan politicans have to say about their leaders?

Even if PDP were to be defeated, it sure won't be by ACN
The greatest politician " AWO" could not do it, what makes you think these dimwits will?

Go read any of Awo's books, especially The Strategy and Tactics of the People's Republic of Nigeria and Path to Nigerian Greatness, and it will give you an idea as to the kind of heavyweight political intellect he was. And it will also enlighten you as to why ACN, formidable as they may be regionally, aren't really a force to reckon with nationally

There is nothing new about Atiku
Everything about him is in the public domain, even at that, he is still being worshipped in the north

Nigeria politics is still at a very rudimentary stage, people vote for the biggest crook. And, he who has the money to pay the area boys, for rigging, wins the contest.
There are no debates
Campaigns are funded by individuals, unlike in America
I will never forget in 2003 when the trio of Adenuga, Dangote and Atiku donated about 150 million naira to the Obasanjo/Atiku campaign organisation. Just three people. Tell me will that be allowed to happen in "God's own country?" NO.

You have to play dirty in Nigeria, and the only party with the reach at this point is PDP
ACN is just not up there
ANPP and CPC can try, but definitely not ACN
It's like an Ibo man expecting an APGA candidate to win the presidential election, aint gonna happen anytime soon.

APGA and ACN are regional parties and won't be winning any national election in present day Nigeria, at least not anytime soon.

^^^
Why is that?

ritual is better
use yourself though

^^^

Blazay, is this how you treat madam?

Be more gentle with Tpia, as you can tell she is hurting
She has her own agenda, valid or not

She has a point though, but she is exhibiting what in psychiatry we call, misplaced aggression.

Anyway, how's life
and how are your escorts?

Saw a black escort yesterday, and it was bananas.

There is the court of public opinion
Nigeria is different from America

Just because OJ got off easy does not mean that he is not a murderer.
He is a murderer. Simple.

American court system is easy to manipulate as long as you have a good lawyer and solid CC.

Bola Tinubu is an ex-convict, a fact, which makes him neither fit nor proper to govern a state.

Again, who knows if his name is actually Bola Tinubu? This man who had no class mates, who cannot recall the name of the secondary school and university he attended and who laundered drug money but did not get a criminal rap sheet.

Think about it

DapoBear:
A lot of the problem here is that you guys think that America is like Nigeria. If you commit a crime here and are captured, there is no escape. It isn't like Nigeria where you can do whatever you like and escape justice indefinitely. Here, they will catch you sooner or later.
This is why it is mindboggling to me that some of you claim that Tinubu is/was some sort of powerful drug lord, yet able to be coming and going to the US. If he is who you say he is, and did what you guys say he did in the US, he will be jailed.
There is no escape. You cannot bribe or pay someone off to let you go free, like in Nigeria. Tinubu cannot bribe the district attorney. He cannot put money in the hands of the customs official to let him in. They will pack him off to jail, if he is guilty of what you claim.
The facts are that Tinubu was accused by the DA of holding drug money. They didn't accuse him of being a drug dealer or directly involved in drug trafficking. Again, if the DA had a stronger case against him, they will extract EVERY pound of flesh they can. DAs and the authorities in the US are not nice and kindly grandfather figures. They will build the STRONGEST case against you they possibly can. If 1 KG of cocaine is a felony but anything less is a misdemeanor, and you were found with 1.000001 KG, they will charge you with a felony.
The authorities charged Tinubu with the strongest case they were able to. He settled, gave up the $460K, and moved on. Now, if evidence later comes out that he did something worse, then if they catch him they'll lock him up. But somehow, given that it is now 17 years after the events, I doubt any sort of evidence like this will ever come up. In part because of the effects of time, but in part because Tinubu very likely did things in such a way that it will be very, very hard to ever pin him down with concrete crimes. Say what you will about the man, but he is not a mumu. Very likely the worst thing he did was launder money. It is very unlikely that he was foolish enough to directly deal drugs himself. He would have found some dummy do it instead, so that his hands are not directly tainted.

According to the document, signed by the United States Government Narcotics Attache in its embassy in Nigeria, Andre W. Kellum, Tinubu operated an organisation that distributed cocaine.

Kellum said that though Tinubu was not subjected to criminal prosecution, the fact that he acceded to forfeiting funds to the United States Government was on its own a conviction.

BRB with the article from SR
It seems you really do not know this Tinubu

He is such an enigma, I guess!

http://www.thenigerianvoice.com/nvnews/5904/1/tinubu-lied-us-customs-and-immigration-official.html
http://www.compassnewspaper.com/NG/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=12157:pointblank-tinubu-lied--us-customs-and-immigration-officials&Itemid=7966

Will be right back, stay stunned!

DapoBear:
Out of curiosity, how many times did you edit the above post? It is very poor form to edit a post after someone directly debunked you. OK, going forward I know that I'll need to quote you from now on before I respond to you.

Kobo can be a pain in the you-know-what sometimes
However, she is right on the Tinubu issue
I guess, she must have lived in Lagos, like me
She is spot on
Tinubu cannot enter the US freely like you and I. However, he was in DC for Obama inauguration. And according to SR. he was arrested and questioned for three hours, despite his attempt to disguise his identity. My suspicion is that Tinubu has some sort of diplomatic passport, making it illigal for US authorities to arrest him on a foreign soil, and since he committed those crimes long timeago, and he is presently not a threat to America, they might be willing to allow him in under some strict guildlines. I do know that he can't come in as a private citizen though. As a government official, may be.

Again, Tinubu is not well liked both in Nigeria and overseas.

Dr. vu!!:
@ stranger, definitely u do not stay in Lagos or Nigeria to say a lot of tr**sh, what success has the PDP recorded,GEJ himself has no achievement to show the he is able to stir this country in the right path, the same auto pilot Yar'dua left this country on is what GEJ has held on to. Nothing significant has been done.
Atiku is just an hustler with a whole lot of drama, globe troting from one party to another trying to achieve his selfish ambition, he is not even accepted in the PDP of his state.
Tinubu carries a lot of Drama, but he is still accepted because he can deliver. If u are in doubt ask Obj. Fashola, hit the ground running because of the foundation and pillars which Tinubu has laid in Lagos. Personally, Buhari /Tinubu ticket is like the best of both worlds because they will be able to curtail their excesses, How much does Buhari have to fight an election or an election tribunal ? the answer lies with Tinubu.[size=8pt][size=8pt][/size][/size] [color=#000099][/color]

Definitely, you are a Lagos based ACN card carrying member to believe the trash you wrote above.
Think broadly for once
Stop drinking paraga, not good for your sense of judgement!

DapoBear:
I'm not sure this is true. There was some sort of AC affiliated lecture/conference in North Carolina a couple of years ago which he was supposed to give a talk at (at least, this is what the flyer said.)

I didn't go myself so don't know if he actually ever showed up, though. I'll see if I can find the flyer for it in my mailbox or wherever I saw it.

EDIT: typos, highlighting

Yeah, that mofo was INDICTED
The report is out there, you just have to search for it

He had to forfeit a huge amount of money before he was let go
That guy is a convicted criminal fo sho!

na_so:
I hope the guys in ACN have the right readings. Mimiko(Not tinubu) single-handedly ousted PDP in ONDO state with an unknown labour party flag. why? because of the general discontent with the PDP governor in that state.

ACN's victory  in the other states, is just the people voicing their discontent with PDP leadership, just the same way they were disatisfied with AD leadership in 2003. Forget all the story about OBJ foxing AD governors and Afenifere leaders in 2003, people were just tired of them. Lagos was a very close call, Funsho williams gave a good fight. in some circles it is believed that if the votes really counted, funsho would have won lagos.

Correction: Tinubu, not Mimiko, with the help of the Judiciary, ousted PDP in Ondo. Mimiko will soon decamp to ACN as part of the agreement he had with Tinubu before Tinubu started supporting him. Tinubu is fighting a good fight. I just dont like him personally. That said, better with him , than without.

As for 2003 election, OBJ rigged that shyyt massively. He couldnt get into Lagos because Tinubu, with the help of other Lagosians, just do not like the guy. Also, Tinubu had all the area boys firmly under him them. And yes, Funsho Williams WON that election. That is a very well known fact!

DapoBear:
This aspect of Nigerian politics is soooo silly. If it is the reality on the ground that every is pro zoning/rotation, fine, I'll live with that. But to be quite honest, it has lowered my opinion of Nigeria as a country if that is the case. Political office should be taken by the BEST/SMARTEST/ most astute, not zoned, affirmative action-style.
If Buhari and the ACN can defeat the incumbent PDP, what right does anyone from the SS or SE to cry foul play? It is silly. With all the advantages that the PDP has as a party, they can also basically get to use zoning to stay in office?
[b]So you are telling me that no matter how clever I am, no matter how good I'd be as a candidate, I cannot run in certain years because I'm from the wrong ethnic group? That this year is the SEs turn, or the SSs turn?[/b]If that is the case, then that really changes my feeling about Nigeria a lot.

I don't buy the idea that certain individuals are better or more clever than the others
No one runs the country alone
You always need others to help out, and on that basis alone, all you need is someone who can get along with other people and manage people well, a very important skill, but not very difficult to acquire IMO.
There is always someone able to do the job from every group, and in the spirit of fairness, every group needs to be given a chance

Nigeria is not a peculiar case, Obama was not the smartest person in the last presidential election
Hillary was, but for reasons known to Americans, they voted for Obama
Also,when Bush became the president, he wasnt the smartest candidate around, Gore was the first time, and Kerry was the second time. Americans voted for Bush because unlike other candidates, he was more like the ordinary guy on the street, with a lot of common sense.

The reason American politics does not favor zoning per se is because a huge proportion of the country is white
And for a long time, Blacks were not allowed to vote, so they do not matter
And moreover, even in American politics, the parties always strive for geographical balance when choosing their president and VP slots, which is what we call Zoning in Nigeria

It is actually not a crazy idea.
And as a party you have to be able to react to your opponent's permutations. Remember why Michael Steele became the president of the GOP?
So its the same in Nigeria
There is zoning in America as well, they just don't call it zoning the way we do.

That said, it is a temporary thingy
I expect things to change overtime, not in my lifetime of course
Until then, ZONING 4 LYF

DapoBear:
Why do people keep saying this? Who is not going to fly among? Look, me personally, I will never vote for a FANATICAL Muslim type. But a moderate, Westernized Muslim like Fashola? Guys like him are ordinary, sane, and not going to cause any religious harm. It makes no sense to me that people would be against a ticket like that.

Not going to fly among middlebelters, 95% of SE and SSoutherners,20% of Northerners and roughly 40% of SWers
And that my friend is a pretty significant percentage