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Kobojunkie:
OK.. today is Saturday abeg!

Better oo

Kobojunkie:
You are still not making sense.

Jesus Christ distanced Himself from religion as a whole proclaiming that those who have religion are against Him— antiChrist. How then do you resolve what you have stated above with that which is of Jesus Christ?

English cannot be too hard nah....

Religion is bad.

Religion about christ is bad.

Those using christ to practice Religion are denominations.

Wetin you no understand

Kobojunkie:
Do denominations exist outside of religious circles? Can the yoke of an egg exist and form well outside of the egg that contains it?

This guy...what is the confusion about

Denominated part of religion.

In this case, I'm addressing denominations of christening...the religious part of christ believing people

What's the matter

Kobojunkie:
You are joking, right?

This kain cognitive dissonance get as e be.

Who is joking with you?

Point out the cognitive dissonance

You don't believe a person can believe in Jesus in a non religious way??

Kobojunkie:
You are not making any sense! God of Israel, and His Son, Jesus Christ, disavowed the religion of men and their many doctrines and traditions from even before the major religions you know of today showed up on the scene. Jesus Christ said anyone who stands with religion stands against Him — antiChrist. But here you are whining about how it is not religion but denominations that Jesus Christ is against. Are you for real?

Why would a Holy God use that which is unholy to bolster His Name? Why would a God faithful to His Covenant give support to that which directly violates His Covenant? Wouldn't that then mean God is unfaithful? Religion is AntiChrist, that is what Jesus Christ made clear in His Gospel, and so Jesus Christ cannot and will not use that which is against Him for the sake of His Holiness. You wish to believe He would because your gods of men have told you that lie to placate you in your unholiness but no, God does not change His mind at all.

Of course religion is evil.

But I'm not writing about religion.

You can do that.

I'm writing against the peculiar manifestation of religion amongst christ believing people...denominationalism / institutionalism

So calm downnnnnnnnnnnnn

Michael547:
Where is the dimension oga so that i can join you there physically? Do you know anyone else who is also in that dimension so that we can worship God together?
Or did Jesus say we can never worship God physically together?

Hmmm....

Unto the Lord shall the gathering of his people be.

When you hear the trumpet blast, then gather at the tabernacle of the congregation.

Those who don't get the summons can't go there.

The church us spiritual not physical.

Peace

Michael547:
So you have certainly not seen the true church all your life and gone there? So therefore, is it something probably on your mind and not in reality?

I have been there many times.

Jesus counselled the woman at the well against thinking of a place for worship.

My dear the church is not a place, it is a divine assembly.

It is a dimension.

Michael547:
Can we identify the true church? If yes how?

We can.

If we are saved we certainly can.

If we are not saved we may not be able to do that.

The true church is not an organization, it is the congregation of the tabernacle.

Recall the tabernacle of the congregation?

In hebrew ....elel moed...

The church is the moed.

In isaiah 33.20 zion is referred to as the city of our moed .

The church is the elect in moed .

Many things to say here but i don't know where to start. Or how.

AMINDA:
The post-election treatment of Elrufai by the Tinubu cabal has left a bitter taste in the mouth of most northerners who hitherto supported Tinubu. It has created an atmosphere of great distrust and I feel it was ill-advised. I hope Elrufai does not contest in 2027 but if he does, he would do a devastating damage to Tinubu's reelection campaign even if he doesn't end up winning the election. The current crop of northerners Tinubu has around him cannot galvanise the North the way an Elrufai would and no-one can handpick a leader for the North.

The North is waiting to pick a successor and heir-apparent to Buhari and Elrufai is looking like a prime candidate for that role. The opportunity cost of denying Elrufai the ministerial slot (which he doesn't even need, having been a minister 20 years ago) and the manner it was done will prove to be costly in the end. It would have paid Tinubu to pull Elrufai closer even if he regarded him an enemy. Elrufai has nothing to lose.

You have a point...
But what is el rufais electoral value outside Kaduna state?

How about inside Kaduna state with an uba sani in charge?

The north will always protect its own, so the I'll treatment of el rufai is being felt, but that will not make him a Northern messiah.

He has made enemies.


Told northern elders to their face, he doesn't respect them.

He is just trying now to build bridges...too little too late.

FiftyFifty:
Stop shifting the post in the middle of the game. You mentioned achievement, you weren't being specific. BTW, so winning a state like Kaduna from a sitting Governor who is also on the ballot is not political achievement? Making Kaduna among the only six states that can survive without federal allocation isn't achievement politically? Tinubu's "victory" in 2023 won't have been easy, if at all possible, without Elrufa'i's political sagacity. That too isn't isn't an achievement? Do you remember when Tinubu followed him all the way to Kaduna telling him that he must be part of his government when he mentioned that he was going back to school? Don't allow hatred to be-clowed your sense of judgement, pls.

You didn't mention his contributions to tinubu election earlier


That's an achievement, I concede.

But el rufai cannot take over from buhari as northern leader.

He is hated by the christian north.

Kwankwaso could have stepped into those shoes, but his advisers are not helping matters.

For now the north has no leader and their block vote is at risk.

Atiku has the clout to gather votes across the nation.

El rufai is terribly hated in the south.

tommy589:
It serves northern interest more if Jonathan that would use a single term stands for presidency than Obi likely 2 term

The north will neither vote obi or Jonathan...Christian North will vote obi more

FiftyFifty:
He graduated with a first class from ABU Zaria during his time. He was the only African to pass the Royal British Quantity Surveying examination at first sitting during his time. He became a dollar milloinaire before reaching thirty. He turned around the FCT as minister, achieving what even Obasanjo thought was impossible. You need to know Abuja before, during, and after his tenure to fully understand this. He did the same at BPE. As Governor, he changed Kaduna for good. Kaduna can now do without the federal allocation, thanks to his initiatives. Above all, he can stand scrutiny for he abhors corruption, unlike Tinubu. I can go on...

I agree 100 percent with all this.

But gonthrough your list and see that there is no political achievement there.

That's why I say he's a political infant

FiftyFifty:
This has exposed your political naivety. How is Ningi (PDP man) become Elrufa'i's? This is not the right time to fight Tinubu, the northern caucus are intelligent enough to know this. Tinubu's is in his first year, after all. So you don't need to be another Niccolo Machevelli to know this. The North will fight at the right time, mark this. Whether Tinubu is really "savvy" is left for Nigerians to say. But one thing is that he can't win the south south, not to talk of the South East, most of his Yoruba kinsmen aren't happy with his performance so far, and he is fighting the North at the same time... And you can't see all these.

He goaded the north into a fight with the senate president and defeated them.

Public defeats are not good in politics.

What is el rufai doing in ningis House, if they are not together?

Of course el rufai is shopping for a party , a tinubu apc will not accommodate him.

Uba sani at home is not his good friend.

El rufai is really fighting for his political life.

That's not a guy to lead a coalition against a sitting president.

The yoruba will vote tinubu even if they eat rocks in this his tenure. They see it as part of their fight with the Igbo. So his base is intact.

He can still bribe senior northern leaders to secure their support, and the north will follow their leaders.

So tinubu will not be easy to remove, and the only person who can do it is atiku....if he gets igbo support

tommy589:
Only Jonathan not Atiku

If Pdp knows what's good for them in 2027

Which Jonathan

Igbos will not vote Jonathan again. Obviously Obi will run, so a Jonathan candidacy will not work.

Only hope to oust tinubu is a grand northern arrangement led by atiku.
And if obi accepts to team up with atiku, tinubu is brown toast

BreconHills:
I like your exalted view of the church and this is certainly the position of the NT.

I used to say what passes for church on Sunday is at best a public crusade. I think people mistake the crowds following Jesus for his disciples.

The challenge is we have a low entry bar for church and the level of fellowship/collectiveness is also low - because we are bargaining and negotiating with the flesh. It should be high bar, high fellowship/collective.

[/b]I suggest however that restoration not focus on sounding a clarion call to the world but first building the model that others can be invited into. God will bring those in whom he is working and add them to his kingdom himself.[b]

I don't understand this

FiftyFifty:
Lol. Same Tinubu that lost in Lagos and Osun, the whole of South East and south south (if not for Wike's mago mago in Rivers) on one hand, and won Jigawa, Borno, Yobe, Niger, Sokoto, Kebbi, Katsina, Zamfara, and came second in the remaining northern states including Kano (after Kwankwaso)? Tinubu's saving grace may be Igbo people... The North is done with him. They put him there and they'll remove him from there. No amount of Gandujes can save him. Not even Elrufa'i, anyone can beat Tinubu at the poll at the moment. The man is a colossal failure, highly overated.

I'm not a tinubu guy. I will never be.
But I think he has enough political dexterity to use his office to his advantage in all things.

See how he shot down a looming coup against akpabio in the senate, sent ningi home on suspension, and got the northern caucus to stand with him publicly.


He knows the game.

He has penetrate northern elders forum, employing hakeem baba Ahmed in a shocking move,

Only atiku has the clout to fight him in an election for now.

El rufai is a political infant

FiftyFifty:
He might have learnt that from him (Obasanjo). Obasanjo's treachery is known to all, except maybe you.

El rufai should write a book and list obasanjo treacherous acts, the sMe way OBJ outed him. Until then, el rufai is the treacherous one

FiftyFifty:
None of your family tree dead or alive can achieve a quarter of what he has achieved.

Name his achievements

Kobojunkie:
So what you are trying to say is that the God of israel who inisisted that men do their belief stictly by His standard(Holiness) was mistaken in his expectations?

The God of Israel said He will have nothing short of strict obedience to His Law and standard by each and every man who desires citizenship in the Kingdom of God. You dey talk religion and denomination as though any of that has power to bend God's established Law. Na wa oo!

But this is what we're discussing isn't it?

People have founded denominations against God's will. And want to pass them off as God's will.

Others have studied the word of God and have seen the lie in that position. And want to follow God's leading.

Which part of this is confusing

BreconHills:
I understand what you are saying but the conclusion is not as clear cut as you make it.

True that denominations are not of God, even the modern day church setting with a speaker - spectator, worship leader - worshipper distinction is not the model of the church. The true model has everyone participating These gathering are closer to what we call house fellowship today - except that they are not controlled by the format of the study notes.

However the fact that they are man made or sub optimal shadows of the original does NOT mean that God cannot use them as channels of his grace.

God by nature is invasive in love and wherever he can find expression His presence will be there. An example is the text below.

John 11:49-52 ESV‬

[49] But one of them, Caiaphas, who was high priest that year, said to them, “You know nothing at all. [50] Nor do you understand that it is better for you that one man should die for the people, not that the whole nation should perish.” [51] He did not say this of his own accord, but being high priest that year he prophesied that Jesus would die for the nation, [52] and not for the nation only, but also to gather into one the children of God who are scattered abroad.


Caiphas was an anti Christ by nature but by office he was high priest and so he prophesied.

I am not suggesting that anyone should go and sit down anywhere and start serving whether the pastor is speaking by the spirit or not. What I mean is that God's nature does not permit the waywardness of man's heart to shut him away from people sincerely desiring him.

Honestly I appreciate this comment of yours; this is what I want disagree with intelligent arguments and others will learn.

Thanks for your civillity.

Now, my view is that these denominations are not of God.
But we know that God can and does use anything, Good or bad.

That's a different matter though.

We're talking here about what can be called God's group, or family or people.

Their mandate is wider than just being used by God .

The church is Jerusalem that is above, that is the mother if us all.

The church is the magisterium of God on the earth.

In the church there is no one lost, outside the church there is no one saved.

The church is approved of God, babylon is not

In that context, the denominations are as different from The church as an amadioha shrine .

This distinction is what makes me wary of these groups.

softtorce:
You live a pathetic life of hate bigotry tribalism n excessive foolishness. Save your soul from this pathetic foolish way of life. The Elrufia you are wailing about does not care about you existence neither does Tinubu.

They both have mutual respect for each other unlike you that do not have respect for anyone or yourself. Save your life from your foolish senseless way of reasoning nobody care about your existence.

We never even start el rufai people don dey beg...
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Toluwanise247:
Is working for 2031not 2027 . He trying to bring things together

Hahahaha 2031
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Vinnie2000:
You Pple are so Full of BIAS and Selective HATRED.😕😕🤦

Didn't Tinibu also Gang up against Jonathan, A southerner😏

Didn't Tinubu Gang up against his own Yoruba person Mulikat Akande, to stop her from becoming Speaker under Goodluck Jonathan?😏😏

Tinibu and El-Rufai are like WITCHCRAFT Coven Members.
Him, Bisi Akande, Tambuwal, Aminu Masari, Ameachi,etc all Ganged up to fight and Remove Jonathan.🙁

Don't leave out Tinibu and try to Demonize El-Rufai.😏😒

Between two evils , I go for a lesser evil.

El rufai is a more wicked person than tinubu...ask kaduna christians

tommy589:
Obasanjo chronicle his acts of disloyalty. Tinubu won't forget how he was part of the gang up against him in Buhari's first term. The way he became a turncoat and rallied against Buhari to support Tinubu won't be forgiven by Buhari's loyalists too

Tinubu cut him to size by not bringing him on board. Whatever he is planning won't shake the table

He is finished politically

Vinnie2000:
Hehehe!

Tinubu CANNOT frustrate El-Rufai!😏

Tinubu's main Ally in the north now is Ganduje, whom the Northerners calls BARAWO and do not respect.

On the other Hand, El-Rufai has NEVER been involved in any Corruption Case!
This is a Virtue Hausa/FULANI Pple exhols. It is the MAIN reason they adored Buhari.

As I told you, El-Rufai will Embarrass and Deal with Tinibu, if he really wants to take that Step.😏🙂

So why has tinubu defeated el rufais man ningi in the senate

And the Northern caucus is denouncing ningi?

Oga you can't.defeat a savvy sitting president

Na goodluck jonathan mumu himself

Vinnie2000:
OP, In the 2023 election, El-Rufai fought hard for Tinibu.

He Stuck out his neck and was Attacking tinibu's opponents, including Peter Obi.

He even almost Quarrelled with Buhari during the Naira redesign saga,
Which tinibu also Opposed.😕

So If he is Aggrieved that he has been Sidelined, he has the Right to feel so.

But, do NOT Underrate him.😏

El-Rufai is a FORCE in the north and can Pull a Heavy Political Storm!🙂

Well, I want tinubu to frustrate that storm.

El rufai can't do jack to a sitting president who is not foolish

helinues:
Apc now.

Forget about the fake news online

Hmmm...we dey watch.

El rufai has no loyalty...ask obasanjo

helinues:
El Rufai is a party loyalist

Which party? APC or SDP or arewa??

😄

Kobojunkie:
I am not perturbed about being labeled an antichrist by religious nutcase who don't even realize what they in fact believe and would rather cling to ignorance rather than reject the lies they have been fed by their gods of men though.

Young man.

It's intellectual deficiency of a severe type to attempt to teach another man his own beliefs.

Beliefs are innate.

Even within a religion individual beliefs differ.

The question remains, are denominations the true church, his answer and my answer is ...no.

Start from there and dispute our claims if you can.

Trying to paint strange beliefs on anyone will not work.

Our beliefs are clear, don't lump us together with anyone.

El rufai has been all over the place like a dog on heat. Trying to shake his tiny ass .

Very restless.

Some say the north is cooking something.

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Listen.

I voted his excellency Peter Obi in the last presidential elections.

I don't like tinubu. And it's not a secret.


But listen again....


You see the useless midget? I will be very happy to see tinubu serve him breakfast.


I am waiting to see how this his ass shaking turns out.


On this I am fully with tinubu, for me el rufai does not represent the north.
My stand is not against the north but against a very prejudiced human being who managed to become governor in a multireligious multicultural state and turned it into a hotbed of religious discrimination.

See as e be

Righteousness2:
If only someone close to her will tell her about the GOD of CHOSEN!
She will simply run down to Nigeria.

This is a moimoi akamu case for the GOD of CHOSEN

Stop this nonsense.

I'm a believer as well, and it is an insult to think you can preempt God or chosee who and where he gifts his miracles to.

I respect your public stand for christ, but this is in bad taste

teadrake:
Before April, Naira will likely trade N800 against the 1USD.

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