₦airaland Forum

rvp2018:
There are so many indices by so many bodies that clearly shows Kenya is ahead. Common sense alone would tell you that a barren country without arable land or natural resources - and doing so well like Kenya - can only be because of HUMAN Resources.

Can your Human Resources be compared to that of Nigeria?

Nigeria has Oil &Gas, Iron, Gold, Bitumen, Uranium, Tin, arable land(one of the largest on the continent

Mention the ones your country has?

Better put respect on the name(Nigeria) when you're speaking. we nor be your mate

rvp2018:
Infact they would have fared much better if they stuck with palm oil - where they were world leaders during colonial period. Palm oil value chain is great - from farm - and it's used to manufacture almost 1000 of finished goods - maybe apart from metalic or wooden things - everything has some palm oil in it - and Malyasia/ indonesia have benefitted greatly. But Nigeria dropped everything and got high on crude oil - military left the barracks and joined the party - and the country is still high when oil prices go high - but mostly dealing with withdrawal symptoms.

Natural resource curse or the Nigeria curse.

And the Obaboon is wishing Kenya was suffering from the same fate

Nigeria is energy secure forever gas is a transition fuel.

Europe will force batteries down your throats.

we'll force gas down theirs.

W Africa is energy secure as a result of Nigeria's benevolence.

We will be adding more territories to our EEZ without any fuss from our Neighbors

https://businessday.ng/news/article/nigeria-ll-gain-additional-maritime-territory-without-war-buhari/

There are Trillons more cf of gas in the territories we will possess

While Kenya is struggling what rightfully belongs to Somalia because she is weak.

Outright stealing(there's no gas there)

You can't bully your way to the UN courts you'll loose.

Your claim is ridiculous

GeneralDae:
Nigeria also is not exporting enough finished goods.

That's because it's being consumed here, this is where the market is.

Go to W/C African countries and see the influence of Nigerian manufacturers from packaged foods to galvanized steel.

rvp2018:
This most nonsensical post of the day.
The economy is not just manufacturing - it's the entire spectrum of economic activities - from agriculture, education, healthcare, transport, construction, real estate, hotels & accommodation, retail & wholesales, trading,
A country that develop sustainably does so by developing all these sectors - they diverse their economy.
So that if you get a problem in agriculture (say drought or disease) then retail & wholesale will sustain you.
If you have problem with tourism (due to covid-19) - the other sectors can sustain you.
Of course manufacturing is very important - because it's highest multiplier (of 10) - meaning one manufacturing job will create 10 jobs
And to get manufacturing working - you need basic of electricity (cheap), roads & railways, and of capital (investment).
Countries that have pursued what you're suggesting - import substitution (replacing imports with domestic goods) have not gone anywhere.
In fact those that had contrary thoughts - export led manufacturing - are the ones that have developed.
That seek first to manufacture and export - to rich countries - use the money you get from export to develop - and grow economy
Once you're rich - then you can manufacture for domestic economy.
If you start from manufacturing for your local economy - who will buy those things - yet people are POOR?
The same for food - dont grow flowers - grow yams.
But if people are poor - who will afford your yams? It's better if we grow flowers, get the dollars, use it to buy yams from you.
In short Africa countries should follow beaten path - that South Asians have proven - export led manufacturing.
Manufacture these stuff you dont need that people out there need first- for example Veitnam are making 12B dollars manufacturing bicyles for export.We dont biycle in Africa - but Europe need bicyles - and they are paying money for it. We surely can build bicyles.
From the proceeds of exports - grow your local economy until the time people are rich enough - to afford manufactured goods.
Import substitution FAILED in 1980s in Africa.
Stupid Nigeria and Ghana now are REPEATING THE SAME MISTAKES.
Nigeria and West Africa with excess labour should be doing what Veitnam and Bangladesh are doing now - export-led manufacturing.
Kenya too is not seriously engaged in this....and we know have about 15M idle labor force that should be manufacturing things for export.

Nigeria has a population of 200M, that's the market the manufacturing sector would serve before export.

Nigeria produces a lot of goods but exports predominantly energy because Nigeria is the market.

Nigeria has 600Tcf of gas (cheap energy) to support its manufacturing sector.

the AKK gas pipeline is close to completion, it would aid in reviving a lot of manufactories adding 10s of millions of jobs lost in the 80s and 90s to cheaper Chinese alternatives.

No country on this continent has the advantage of Nigeria.

Cheap energy, market.

China, India, and Europe are energy-dependent, and Nigeria is not.

Nigeria's economy is currently being recalibrated, even Nigerians are unaware

rvp2018:
How do you plan to beat India and likes of South Korea very efficient refineries? You'll likely be buying very expensive oil. Kenya we had a refinery until 10yrs ago but it more expensive to buy kenya refined oil than import refined oil.

Dangote has built a refinery in Lagos - and will have to ship the crude oil from south east - and you can bet his refined oil will be more expensive that oil that land in Lagos.

And of course because you've total inefficient downstream business - by the time - oil snake itself from Dangote refinery in Lekki to your petrol station - it will have incurred days if not months of transport and storage.

In short you cannot beat Indians in refinery business - focus on building the internal downstream infrastructure.

I think what you are failing is in is the lack of imagination.

As the energy giant of the Continent, you would have thought we would have the grandest scale of pipeline infrastructure on the continent

but eh..

Its crazy the things we take for granted in this country.

NoneisPerfect:
Something is not right with all the stories coming from South East, there is a motive by Nigeria military/government to kill Igbos. They are killing people in South East using unknown gunmen (remember unknown soldiers by late FELA) they will use the media to label IPOB/ESN as the killers. This is to justify the invasion of South East. Please read between the lines. Recently 2 soldiers (Igbos) was killed and body deposited in Imo state, the Nigeria military/government was quick to label IPOB/ESN as the killers.

Where were the soldiers killed, why was the tribe of the soldiers mentioned by Nigeria unlike soldiers killed by Bandits?
Are They Setting Up Ground To Invade Igbo Land And Massacre More People? The news about the kị́lling of two Military officers is not clear. It is questionable. And I still don't know why people are not asking questions.

Questions like...
How did the kị́llers managed to spot this soldiers among many commuters?
Were they on their private car or public vehicle when they were caught and kị́lled? Where exactly were they kịlled?
Why is it that the report didn't answer that question?
Why say on their way to Imo State when you can mention where they were actually kịlled?
Was it inside Imo State or outside Imo State?
Were they on uniform?
Can someone that has been retired wear military uniforms while travelling?
Will a reasonable person still head to Imo wearing his military uniform with what is happening in Orlu?
How come the kị́llers were too fast to put a call through to the alleged family or friend and post it online? What point are they trying to make?
Are they trying to send out information?
Will IPOB really go after a soldier, kill him or her and make a video saying they did it. And even mention Mazi Nnamdi Kanu's name, when they know that same Mazi Nnamdi Kanu is facing terrorism charges? Do you think they are this foolish or could it be that those believing this lie are the ones that are actually foolish?
Even if you don't like IPOB, I still know you can still reason properly.

These things are not adding up. Can't you see it? I think this two soldiers were expendables. One is that they have decided that they want to marry, and the military must at least retire one of them compulsorily. In fact, report say the male soldier have been retired. And this made them expendables. While not ha-rm them and accuse IPOB? After all they are no more in the military.
We have seen Boko Haram kị́ll soldiers and claim responsibility. No terrorists in the world deny their actions. In all the soldiers kịlled by Boko Haram, Nigerịa military have never mentioned their tribe. So why did Nigerịa military mention the tribe of the slain soldiers? Could it be that it was planned just to achieve one thing. Demonize IPOB? And give room for massacre of Igbo youths?

Could it be that it was done to work on the minds of Igbo soldiers in Nigerịa military? The government know that invading Igbo land will cause uproar and bad blood among the Igbo soldiers in Nigerịa Army. So targeting an Igbo soldiers about to marry will get the Igbo in military annoyed. Meanwhile, an Igbo soldier have already started threatening IPOB online and the screenshot is flying on twitter. Should this be the case, then the plan worked and is still working. With the rate things are going, it seems the government after working on the minds of the Igbo soldiers will be using them against the kị́lling of their own people.
Probably, Igbo soldiers might be taking on ESN and for sure it will be Igbo people against themselves. I think a very high agency is behind the scene controlling events and playing everyone against each other. Southern soldiers were mainly used against Boko Haram and many of these southern soldiers perished. Today, the government is playing on the mindset of the Igbo soldiers so that they can go after their own people and kị́ll each other. What a game.

Now is the time to be vigilant. The government is not only using a dangerous campaign against IPOB, they are preparing ground for the mass-acre of Ndị Igbo. I strongly feel that a lot will start happening. But if you can raise this awareness, it might save lots of souls.
It is certain that IPOB did not kị́ll these soldiers. They were expendables used by the government to prove a dubious point against IPOB.
I advise the government to use referendum to settle the problem of Biafra. Should they go offensive, Nigerịa will be the loser, for this fragile country can't survive a second civil war. Referendum is peace. Finally, I condemn the barbarous killing of these soldiers. Such should not be happening.

continue living in denial.

something de happen koro-koro for your eye.

I saw a video this morning of >60 men parading the streets of Aba with dangerous weapons.

people hailing dem "Na men dem be"

yet you still look for ways to blame others for problems you caused for yourself

All tribes in Nigeria De Maiduguri fighting together.

That's how brotherhood are formed and cemented in blood, sweat and tears.

It's called the Nigerian Army for a reason.

happy birthday, bro, I wish you love, peace, and prosperity in your life.
good things abound for you, Anim!
say hello to your little girl for me

kikuyu1:
Hmm...that's rather open ended needing a long explanation! Idk much about wider EA but ofc Somalis feel superior to everyone and have beef with ALL BLACK PEOPLE in the diaspora. Caribbeans in London say the same things Black Americans in Ohio or Minnesota say:" why are they like this? Do they hate everyone or is it just blacks?"
They're extremely attached to their phenotype and have derogatory words for non Kushites,'adoon,' meaning sub human or 'jareer.' You should know Somali bantus suffered possibly more than any any other minority on the continent. What makes it worse is that Somali males who traditionally tightly controlled their women have to see them get dicked down regularly by despised outsiders-its also happening here in Kenya with many Somali women increasingly marrying out.
Ethiopians,especially Habeshas are similar but IME,not nearly as attached to the conceit of their phenotype. I've noticed a lot of them incl Oromo are surprised when they land here and find so many Kenyans with Semitic and Kushite features-I'm often confused for Borana even by Kikuyus! There is however a definite racist element in their society-many use the term barya, slave for non Kushites and Semites like the Southern Omo river peoples,the Hamar (Amarkoke),seen here with whom we share DNA from ancient migrations. I had a Nilotic Anuak pal early 2000s who told me they're openly despised.
The truth is historically we cooperated more often than not-not just intermarriage. Kikuyus and Masaais were so close we would've merged! Here's my 4G grandfather on mum's side,waiyaki wa hinga,buried alive by the Brits: his great grandson,IIRC,had a daughter,Ngina,who married Jomo in the late 50s. Like many Southern Kyukes he was adapted from the Maasaai. I met his youngest bro in 1980 when he was at least 110.


https://nairobilawmonthly.com/index.php/2018/08/03/lawyer-traces-kikuyu-warrior-waiyaki-wa-hinga-to-maa-roots

Similarly Chief Lenana of the Maasai was Kyuke!


https://www.theeastafrican.co.ke/tea/magazine/strange-misunderstood-relationship-1293278


A very interesting read on cultural links: the author assumes we dropped a matriarchical culture due to the Masaai but imo,it may have happened in S Ethiopia. These links are replicated with all other groups though Idk the details-Luos/Kalenjins,Luhyias/Luos,us and Kambas all cooperated more often than not.

I do know in Ug,the Baganda should rule,with their money,population and proximity to the centre which counts for much more than most know or accept but made some strategic blunders at Uhuru. They demanded only their king should rule and caused friction exploited by M7 decades later.
As for the Tutsis we've already covered them.

Edit: We're ALL Lilliputians. We've only just begun manufacturing rifles last year. You guys with your oil wealth should at LEAST be on the level of Malaysia economically speaking with their 12500 $ GDP per capita. Instead you're near our level. All my pals who've been to the capital,say yes,KL looks like this! Saffas likewise with their mature arms industry should be far ahead with more platforms incl extra Grips,Rooivalks,frigates and even subs but that's not what their real leaders,a tiny Anglo Jewish elite want.

Thanks for your response Sir, It was a very interesting read.

Racial discrimination is still stark in Mauritania.

Recently experienced by a Nigerian biker on his way through the Sahara from London to Lagos

https://twitter.com/lionheart1759/status/1521396274955943936?t=6Bc3TZ0SgFNWPLLXbOogNg&s=19

it's really sad.

gallivant:
None.

Thank you

gallivant:
Nigeria also has crisis.

And which country doesn't?

gallivant:
Why don't you spare us the typical hubris and prove it in the general elections by not voting in another corpse as president.

National policy would remain consistent irrespective of the leadership.

Focus on your debt problem, and fuel crisis instead

Saddamochieng00:
Niqqa please. We've already debunked all this nonsense and already know that Nigeria is no better than Ghana and all those other WA sh*tholes. In fact it's just another Mali without the cooked figures.

I'm an avid explorer of Google earth and for the sake of peace let me not post the real street view of all those chicken coops you mentioned above.

show workings with the investments you attract, not bogus loans you have no idea of how to repay.

I hope you are learning how to speak Chinese?

while not letting a good crisis go to waste

Meanwhile, A Nigerian is in charge of OPEC and has successfully lobbied OPEC and the EU for the Nigeria - Morroco gas pipeline while the construction of NLNG train 7 which would add 30% to Nigeria's gas production capacity Is ongoing

https://www.thisdaylive.com/index.php/2022/05/01/opec-signs-deal-to-fund-feasibility-study-of-25bn-nigeria-morocco-gas-pipeline/
https://www.icirnigeria.org/opecs-feasibility-studies-support-for-25bn-nigeria-morocco-gas-pipeline-signals-hope-of-nigeria-as-gas-hub/

GeneralDae:
Aka Ibom even has its own Airline.

They built their airport themselves. They have been blessed with good leadership compared to Delta or Bayelsa States.

They are making very significant progress.

They were able to attract >$bn of FDI with the construction of the BUA petrochemical facility about to commence

https://guardian.ng/business-services/bua-to-complete-200000bpd-refinery-before-2025/

also, A $1.6bn Fertilizer plant

https://allafrica.com/stories/202104060405.html

And Nigeria's first nuclear power reactor with a deal with Rosatom in Itu LGA


https://constructionreviewonline.com/news/bids-opened-for-construction-of-4000-mw-nuclear-power-plant-in-nigeria/

rvp2018:
You should have at least 4-5 Nairobi to start with.
But you dont. Your next city Abuja is below Mombasa.
We have other cities..and towns.
And we are not yet urbanized.

I think you are thoroughly misinformed. All of Nigeria's geopolitical zones(and they are 6) have at the very least 2 cities above the level of Mombasa.

SW - Lagos, Ibadan etc
SE - Onitcha, Awka, Enugu
SS - Calabar, Uyo, Port Harcourt, Warri, Benin, Asaba etc
NC - Abuja, Lafia, Jos etc
NW - Kaduna, Kano, Zaria, Sokoto etc
NE - Maiduguri, Jalingo

Each of these cities with their uniqueness.

Nigeria is a Federation so all her states compete with themselves for IGR and infrastructure

for instance, I'm a South southerner. Rivers state is lobbying for the resuscitation of the Port Harcourt - Maiduguri Railway.

Cross-River is arguing that it's the shortest link to Nigeria's NE and is lobbying for funding for it's deep seaport and Superhighway.

CRS is the only Southern State in Nigeria where you can move through it's territory alone to the North

Akwa -Ibom/State(being oil-rich) is beating everyone to the game. They have money to fund a deep sea port. And has excellent infrastructure leading to Cross-River State

These Regional competitions don't even make national news.

Now how does Kenya fare?

GeneralDae:
Well I don't blame them anymore. Check all over YouTube and Twitter, you'll see it's Nigerians who debase themselves the most. You'll see a YouTube channel where a foreigner is so interested in visiting Nigeria, and a Nigerian goes on the comment section to say: Don't go to Nigeria, bla bla bla bla.

Very true, I see this a lot too. This is very sad.

A lot of them think this is how the majority of Nigerians think of themselves, It's good to see this is changing albeit slowly.

GeneralDae:
For them it seems to be 90% Nairobi. Meanwhile, Nigeria's first smart Airport coming soon, where?? Not Lagos, Abuja, PortHarcourt, or even Kaduna and Kano, but rather Uyo.

And these are the people calling us a Zoo, See finish overload

rvp2018:
Nairobi expressway final touches

everytime Nairobi, Nairobi, Nairobi.

pesin go hear word like this? This is the only place in your country worth mentioning

shadowprimezero:
Looks like another armored vehicle recovered from ISWAP in MNJF's renewed push into ISWAP strongholds in the Lake T'Chad. This time, from the extict species of the REVA MRAP. Probably captured years ago.

NNSBS, NAAB, and MNJTF troops.


They thought the clearance Operations would be winding up by now, dem no know say Gen.L Irabor mean am


The Tumbuns must fall!

shadowprimezero:
Looks like another armored vehicle recovered from ISWAP in MNJF's renewed push into ISWAP strongholds in the Lake T'Chad. This time, from the extict species of the REVA MRAP. Probably captured years ago.

NNSBS, NAAB, and MNJTF troops.


Good one

Agbegbaorogboye:
Read what I wrote well. Politicians supported them. Support for them has waned now because they no longer serve the purpose they did to the elites and well of course, they went fully rogue
Do you know a governor went to the US to claim the Jonathan administration was engaging in ethnic cleansing in the name of fighting BH?
Baba Buhari said an attack against BH is an attack against the North. They also ensured the US did not sell weapons to FG.

What about bandits? How did they come about? I hope you don't buy the story of innocent Fulani herders defending themselves

The political class being the political class, classic opportunist.

You talked about how they milked the sharia situation, now they got the power the seeked and seem to see BH and ISWA for what they really are.

I know the bandit situation was exacerbated by the fallout from the 2015 election.

a classic situation of when you give people guns and you run out of use for them, they'll find uses for themselves

Agbegbaorogboye:
I think you type like a scholar, I see myself as a student however

If anyone thinks secularism is Christianization, such person needs to have his head checked. You buy a phone, do a video expounding whatever ideology you believe in and upload it on the net. No one arrests you for that but you think the phone and the net are agents of Christianization?

Do you know Abaribe stood surety for Kanu? OUK visited him and other Igbo political elites have advocated dialoguing with him. The problem is really how to use it to their advantage not that they are against it.

Frankly speaking you really think the Nigerian society revolves around merit? Really?

Yes of course, not the way you'd want merit to be defined but they are rules laid down that are peculiar to the Nigerian reality.

Abaribe was milking a political situation

When MK went AWOL it caused a conundrum for him but I think the sensitivity of the situation got him out of trouble, he was not arrested.

he got more popular and that was his reward, he's now seen as a legitimate face for Biafran agitators.

The political elite have to show leadership they have to be the "go-between" The FG and the seccesionist. That's the potential for them to gain more political capital within the Nigerian state

Agbegbaorogboye:
Lol"
Ganduje caught drinking beer? I'm not aware of that video. But let me help you with two popular incidents. The Gandollar bribery video and former Yobe governor turned senator caught pants down with a lady in an hotel. Unfortunately, both cases as well celebrated as they were did not draw any outrage from any quarters in the north. As a matter of fact, Ganduje was reelected same with the senator. They were voted by the same low people you claim are the custodians and enablers of sharia. As a matter of fact, Ganduje even deposed the Emir and still the low class cusodians of sharia have not revolted. Even recently, his son reported his wife for arrest on some contract scam and the custodians are still not asking for sharia to be implemented against them. What does this scenarios tell you. Sharia is not a threat to the political elite so there's no reason for them to stir the religious waters and become an unpopular gov among the masses. Do you know Makarfi who instituted sharia in Kaduna was derided because he was said to be too friendly with Christians?

What i'm pointing out to you is that Sharia is an instrument of the political class. FYI, even among the poor, they hardly go to sharia courts to resolve legal issues especially of the criminal kind. I have had cause to interfere in such cases in my sojourn and most of them were resolved by vigilantes, police or the emirate council. What i'm showing you is the poor and the rich hardly care for the existence of sharia in the north. It is the religious and political elite that whip it up when they need it as an instrument. It is also for that reason it is hard for them to abrogate it. Because it leads to political suicide and loss of control. It is actually the misguided poor who then buy into the need to push the frontiers of sharia that join such groups as BH. Do you know Buhari promised to expand sharia throughout Nigeria in 2002? That's one of the reasons for his popularity in the north if you must know

IPOB has support of the political elites in the East I tell you. The problem is that they don't know how to go about exploiting it to their own advantage due to the hardline posture of the Central govt and the treasonable colouration the agitation is being given. It's just like BH. No governor in the north would come out to show support for them but we know some govs and politicians were supporting them and some still are.
Politicians only want a situation they can exploit for their goals. IPOB does not present such yet. But they know the dynamics can change anytime and given its popularity in the East, it is political suicide to be against them. Just don't bring them to the mainstream.

I still don't agree with you that politicians are active supporting BH and ISWA

These guys pretty much running their own show

Most BH are Kanuris and Budumas.

In their power hierarchy only Kanuris can get in to senior leadership positions.

It was this discrimination that lead to a schism which the group Ansaru emerged.

Ansaru is made up of majorly Nwestreners and they moved to NW (Birnin Gwari, KD) to try and form their own caliphate

How would a politician at the top of Nigerian society, actively support a power grab from supposed ursurpers?

They are working to crush them.

NAF deployed Mi-35P/M choppers to the SE see the outcry it had to be redrawn in favour of semi - urban/urban warfare

Bandits and Jihadist get blown to pieces in their hundreds by NAF, applaud and commendation from the political class, what does this tell you?

Agbegbaorogboye:
Lol"
Ganduje caught drinking beer? I'm not aware of that video. But let me help you with two popular incidents. The Gandollar bribery video and former Yobe governor turned senator caught pants down with a lady in an hotel. Unfortunately, both cases as well celebrated as they were did not draw any outrage from any quarters in the north. As a matter of fact, Ganduje was reelected same with the senator. They were voted by the same low people you claim are the custodians and enablers of sharia. As a matter of fact, Ganduje even deposed the Emir and still the low class cusodians of sharia have not revolted. Even recently, his son reported his wife for arrest on some contract scam and the custodians are still not asking for sharia to be implemented against them. What does this scenarios tell you. Sharia is not a threat to the political elite so there's no reason for them to stir the religious waters and become an unpopular gov among the masses. Do you know Makarfi who instituted sharia in Kaduna was derided because he was said to be too friendly with Christians?

What i'm pointing out to you is that Sharia is an instrument of the political class. FYI, even among the poor, they hardly go to sharia courts to resolve legal issues especially of the criminal kind. I have had cause to interfere in such cases in my sojourn and most of them were resolved by vigilantes, police or the emirate council. What i'm showing you is the poor and the rich hardly care for the existence of sharia in the north. It is the religious and political elite that whip it up when they need it as an instrument. It is also for that reason it is hard for them to abrogate it. Because it leads to political suicide and loss of control. It is actually the misguided poor who then buy into the need to push the frontiers of sharia that join such groups as BH. Do you know Buhari promised to expand sharia throughout Nigeria in 2002? That's one of the reasons for his popularity in the north if you must know

IPOB has support of the political elites in the East I tell you. The problem is that they don't know how to go about exploiting it to their own advantage due to the hardline posture of the Central govt and the treasonable colouration the agitation is being given. It's just like BH. No governor in the north would come out to show support for them but we know some govs and politicians were supporting them and some still are.
Politicians only want a situation they can exploit for their goals. IPOB does not present such yet. But they know the dynamics can change anytime and given its popularity in the East, it is political suicide to be against them. Just don't bring them to the mainstream.

At last we've reached the same conclusion, as far as humans are concerned everything is about politics and power.

We might want to ignore it but social classes exists and politicians sit on top of it

Your secular and liberalism could be interpreted as Christainization and westrenization by others

And the politicians would feed fat on those sentiments

If Biafra will emerge, the political elite would want to lead it, not some ethno-fascist who they think is an opportunist

If you want to play the game at their level you have to pay your dues and climb the social ladder by merit

Not with the barrel of a gun because they control the resources of the state and have the ears and as a result control the narratives of information to the global elite

you'd never match them

Agbegbaorogboye:
You are going round in circles and I fear you want to take me with you

Simple question. Is sharia enactment in the states a product of referendum? You claimed it was driven by the low end of the social class and the political elites simply bought into it. And I have opened your eyes to the fact that agitation for sharia came through the political class, the low class were the ones who actually bought into it. If we want to go with your logic, it means the political class simply rewarded itself.

But you still insist on a referendum for IPOB. Same thing I still point out to you that no one requested for a referendum for the sharia issue. Why should that of IPOB require a referendum.

IPOB actually have the support of the political elite in Igboland. The two issues are they are not bold enough to give teeth to the matter as those in the North did with sharia and of course, the agitation did not start from them as a political cause like sharia did with the northern elite. Those in the north had a vendetta to pull with the then central govt and they saw sharia as a cause to do that.

My point about BH is that it is a religious group that came out of bad politics played by the north. That does not remove its religious nature. The cure also has to be religious through the political angle. No two ways about it

I know your moniker, so i'd reckon that you've been on Nairaland long enough to see when Ganduje was caught drinking beer(which is against Shariah anyway) and the outrage it caused.

Now tell me why he needed to hide when he can just stop sharia virtue of being the Governor of Kano state.

A vast majority of their elite do not agree with Sariah law, the religious class want to retain their power as they could see what happened to the traditional elite who has had their powers taken away by the political elite who would not shy away from putting them in their places when they clash(e.g the Emir of Kano saga) turning them into mere "Custodians of culture"

If IPoB had the support of their political elite my brother, dem for show workings for Abuja.

What you think is support is actual political exploitation which is typical of politicians anyway.

Politicians would not throw their future and power trajectory into uncertainty, the most likely stick to what they control

Nnamdi Kanu has been heard and seen to be calling them all sorts of names even going as far as threatening them.

As the self-proclaimed "Supreme leader" of IPoB, what do their political elite stand to gain for supporting a group built around a cult like figure with a tendency for narcissism?

Agbegbaorogboye:
It is politically dishonest for you to in one breath ask IPOB to request for referendum through their representatives while you describe the introduction of Sharia as reward for agitation. Is one agitation better than the other?
There is nothing in our laws that says request for secession must be through the route of referendum just as nothing in our laws says agitation must resort in the enactment of religious laws. If it were not so, Shiites should have had their own brand of sharia recognized too and people like Wole Soyinka who has suggested our traditional religions be employed when swearing oaths should have got a look-in

It is also not true that BH was from the lowest of the society. It might indicate you are not conversant with the feudalistic nature of the northern social structure. Mohammed Yusuf who pioneered BH was a well known Muslim cleric in the North. He can't be referred to as the lowest of the society just as you can't call Ahmadu Bello or Aminu Kano lowest of the society. As a matter of fact, the BH founder had access to the government house in Borno before he went rogue. A video surfaced recently of him in a debate with Pantami a minister with the present government.

There was Islam in the North before Dan fodio truly, but there was no Sharia. In fact, the traditionalists ran the royal systems in place then before he started his revolt. It's just as the present Ooni of Ife is Christian. It does not mean Ife kingdom have abandoned their iseese for Christianity.

Do you really think the northern low class really wanted sharia or were prodded to it? Boko haram does not mean "Give us sharia" it means "Western education/way of life is sin". It is an ideology propounded by the salafists. So to claim the poor in the north were the one agitating for sharia is to stand logic upside down. It's just like claiming it's the poor in the Nigeria that clamoured for independence!!

Yes, they got rewarded for their agitation, but to who? The political class!

There are no laws that are follow come, all laws are man made.

You want a referendum clause in the Constitution you have to work really hard for it by building bridges.

I'm sure they are a lot of Nigerians from other geo-pol zones that would want a referendum conducted too

The Ooni of Ife is not a Christian.

Yusuf ran the show, but Yusuf was not as radical as Shekau.

In 2016- ISWA was able to establish a dawla in the Lake Chad(after Shekau lost his caliphate to the MNJTF)

It was Yusuf's son, Habib that ran it. He was now not only a political figure, but a spiritual one too sort of like a monarchy, you see how power works?

A bulk of their fighters come from poor and destitute backgrounds

so in a democratic state, how the hell would IPoB get a referendum without the legitimacy and blessing of the state?

IPoB does not have the support of the political elite so they are wasting their time.

As far as the state is concern, they are illegitimate

Agbegbaorogboye:
The flaw in your argument is in the caveat "What the people want"
Do the people want to be lumped together in one country called Nigeria by the British? Let's start from there. Mind you, sharia law was never the prevailing law for hundreds of years as you claim. Dan Fodio's political Jihad started in 1804. The British came in the 1860s. That's not even up to one hundred year to start with.
But that aside, Sharia is not a culture. It's a religious law and it is disingenuous to equate it to a cultural law like the customary law which is a form of the English common law. The English abandoned the religious canon laws to replace it with the common laws just as was done in the rest of Europe after Bismarck propounded the separation of Church and State. To introduce Sharia law is to bring back that separation and its observed weaknesses which is what has led to the BH we are all talking about today.
Let me also point out the fact to you that sharia was a political weapon used by the Northern Muslim political elite to fight back at a perceived Chrisitian president. BH was also used as a weapon by that same elite to fight the next Christian president. Shall we replicate such in the south? Ordinary IPOB and we see how much bad blood it has generated in the North! Just imagine a religious angle is now added to IPOB like CAN was advocating for at the last constitutional amendment!
The constitution recognized Nigeria as a secular state and the country as a multi-religious and multi-ethnic one and says no one religion shall be exalted as the state religion. Is that not exactly what the enactment of Sharia law does.

And to put it to you straight. The North had customary courts too. And they are quite different from Sharia courts. If you've lived in the North, you will realize they have diverse cultures which even Sharia negates in some instances.

If the people want a referendum, they know what to do.

don't they have senators and house of Reps members? abi you want military decree for referendum? Habajama!

BH was an organic reaction from the lowest of the society who didn't feel like they were part of it and were treated so
.
All their leaders came from themselves not the elite so I don't know what you're saying if you know how power works, why would the political elites want to ceed power to anybody?

These are guys that want to create their own state where they would be on the top of the society they create.

what would be the fate of the elite?
these people are not stupid, that's why they are in power.

Sharia law was used to appease the agitation of the northern society the marabouts agitated for it, the people join in the agitation, their political class gave them what they wanted.

that's how politics work, it doesn't care about how you feel


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They was Islam in the North before Usman dan fodio's Jihad. he didn't agree with how the people interpreted it hence the Jihad.

his Jihad propelled people who were considered to be the lowest of society and inconsequential to to be the ones running it.

This is what groups like BH and ISWA are aiming to do again.

This time their political class won't allow it

Agbegbaorogboye:
Go and preach your sermon to the twelve states practicing Sharia in the North. If those states did not embrace sharia, these terrorists would have no starting point. That is the starting point of this whole mess.

There's nothing wrong with Sharia if that's what the people want. it's a democracy isn't it? you don't have to like it.

Same way you have customary courts in the South is the same way you have sharia law or courts in the North. it's a cultural thing, it's been the way of life of the people for hundreds of years before the British invaders came.

Let people decide what they want for themselves. as they say "when in Rome, behave like a Roman"

Advocate500:
you have said it all, i think the hate has gone beyond biafran perception to unexplainable bitterness, because most time when you have opportunity to interact with most of this hate mongers, you will find out that most of them demonstrate this without any conscious reason.

It can be likened to racism against black ,were most of the racist just demonstrate it without any provocation .

you can say this again

Rascism, Tribalism, Fascism, colourism etc are all the same.

Nigerians are the biggest hypocrites they are.

at least in the west when someone is racist, they'll be a massive outcry and the person would be made to apologize.

Here we don't even hide our tribalism, but we will be the first to insult others for being racist or xenophobic, na we go carry am for head, wey our nyash no clean

dem just de look us de laugh.

Agbegbaorogboye:
Shekau believes in Muhamaad and Allah. He hates Jesus. He is antichristian

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Agbegbaorogboye:
Taqiyya. They only want you guys to replicate what you did in 12 states of the north all over the federation

Anything outside that and you're not Muslim enough. But their main grouse is with Christianity and Western ideas

Besides, you all should have known when they were attacking and killing mainly Christians that they will later turn on you when they are done with us

lol I'm not even Muslim....or Christian.

There's no us v them, it's only in your head.

most people just want to live their lives in peace with others.

I grew up around all ethnic groups and religion you can think of that exists in this country, even Liberians and Sierra leonians
Muslim kids playing with Christian kids, Sharing food on Sallah day and Christmas, normal fight and quarrel like normal people.

you just lack exposure, you need to work on yourself and travel to get rid of your bias and hate, it's hard I know, but your life would be soo much better.

Agbegbaorogboye:
You mean the number of Chibok and Dapchi girls are not high enough to prick your antichristian conscience? Why are you people this evil?
They terrorise Muslims to create the excuse you're bringing forward. Everyone knows who they're against. The Muslims they kill, they see as martyrs. The Christians they kill, they see as infidels.
The curses in the Bible are for those who don't believe in God and his Son Jesus

Muslims are the most terrorised in the NE this is the reality.

These terrorists see anyone that don't follow their crazy interpretation of Islam as Infidels or "arne"

Advocate500:
some of you have continued to lie and believe in your lies ,i continued to ask if this hatred is as result of what igboman did to you guy's in the past, now that you have gotten all you guy's desired for,is expected that the level of hate would have died off,just as between you guy's and the ijaws?


The kind of hatred ikwere man harbours for igboman is not different from yorubas, hausa, fulani and ijaws shared, my question have remained, the igboman offend all of tribes? If yes ,how? Why is its that other igbo speaking tribe don't share in this hatred? Only the ikweres , the ijaws and ogonis share in this hatred why?

One word Biafra, It's the thing the ethnic minorities of the area fear of. and very often what you fear is what you hate.

The same way Ibos feel about the perceived Fulani hegemony is the same way minority ethnic groups In the lower Niger area feel about Igbo domination.

Most of the Biafran proponents are of Igbo origin they did(do) not seek the opinions and feelings of the inhabitants of the area before you include them in your seccesionist maps.

The hate is just sub-conscious fear, apart from the politics the peoples of the area have more or less asmilated.

Take the politics away and apart from the different languages you would not be able to tell an ibibio man from an Igbo Ijaw or Iwerre man.

The people from other parts of Nigeria is people of these area as the same people.

This is what I have observed