Olu317:
Just as word are borrowed during Language development,certain words that seem related are borrowed from one region to the other . Ancient Yoruba language are descriptive in nature. And these can be attested to as result of language development. IFA in Yoruba is AFA in Ibo. Does it not show one borrow from another? Despite the borrowing, there are certain characteristics at which language can be classified as related. Igala has traces of Yoruba language with 60+% . Still, it is not classified as YORUBA LANGUAGE because it needs to be up to 70% before it grouped as YORUBA LANGUAGE. Yoruba borrowed words and don't deny it. Either from Northern part or outside . And in all these borrowing of language, Yoruba did developed a city that was known by some many but couldn't be reached because of the location in the deep forested area we were located.

That's my own dialect.. I don't know what the other dialects call theirs or it is centrally Thats nt the only thing I've listed there

Olu317:
Just as word are borrowed during Language development,certain words that seem related are borrowed from one region to the other . Ancient Yoruba language are descriptive in nature. And these can be attested to as result of language development. IFA in Yoruba is AFA in Ibo. Does it not show one borrow from another? Despite the borrowing, there are certain characteristics at which language can be classified as related. Igala has traces of Yoruba language with 60+% . Still, it is not classified as YORUBA LANGUAGE because it needs to be up to 70% before it grouped as YORUBA LANGUAGE. Yoruba borrowed words and don't deny it. Either from Northern part or outside . And in all these borrowing of language, Yoruba did developed a city that was known by some many but couldn't be reached because of the location in the deep forested area we were located.

So where we dey borrow the words? So is it possible that only Yoruba words were convenient for Igbo to borrow. How come Igbo didn't borrow such words from their immediate Cross River, Ibibio neighbors?

Olu317:
It is really disheartening seeing this bitter truth when in fact, Yoruba have language similarities with Egypt as well as Israel. Hausa is classified as Afro Asiatic while Yoruba is classified as Niger—Congo when in fact is shouldn't be.
In linguistics , a noun class is a particular category of nouns . A noun may belong to a given class because of the characteristic features of its referent, such as sex, animacy, shape, but counting a given noun among nouns of such or another class is often clearly conventional. Some authors use the term " grammatical gender " as a synonym of "noun class", but others use different definitions for each. Imagine the classification with
Yoruba , Igbo , Fula , Shona and Zulu . How on earth will they classify Yoruba with the after mentioned tribes?
Yoruba have words related to Egypt and Hebrew
“B" is to rise in ancient Egypt and in Yoruba is bring forth.
Hebrew
Aya for bird is Éyé in Yoruba
Elija is the Lord is the Lord is my God and in Yoruba Éleda(that dwell in one's head) is My God
Ba'al is owner of a place as well as father And in Yoruba Baalè/Baalé is father(husband)as well as lord over a place /overseer
Eliasa is God has created while in Yoruba Ela(roo-waa-aaa) was the first created by Eledumare (God)

Whatever, cretaria that was used must be archaic

Which among the grouped people with Yoruba do share 40% of following same meaning with Yoruba language

African Star Apple is Agbalumo
Ground Hornbill is Akalamagbo
Eagle is Idi
Pouched Rat is Okete
African Teak Tree is Iroko
Grasshopper is Abutata
Bumblebee is Alabonbon
Mosquito Larva is Tanwiji
Parrot is Odidere
Tangerine is Ahoboro
Chameleon is Oga
Guinea Pig is Emo
Lawyer is Amofin
Television is Amohunmaworan
Gecko is Omonile
Dwarf is Arara
Sand is Iyepe
Chair is Aga
Gourd is Akeregbe
Trumpet is Kaakaki
Milk is Wara
Bald-head is Apari
Cassava is Ege
Roof is Orule
Lightning is Monamona
Squirrel is Okere
Lantern is Atupa
Mountain is Oke
Sky is Oju-Orun
Gorilla is Inaki
Herbalist is Alagbo
Mud is Erofo
Pot is Ikoko
Palmwine is Emu
Freshwater snail is Isawuru
Python is Ere
Handshake is I’bowo
Mirror is Jigi
Cowrie is Owo-eyo
Garlic is Aayu
Jewellery is Eso
Mouse is Eku
Catfish is Aro
Toad is Akere
Tiger is Ekun
Walnut is Asala
Tortoise is Alabahun
Road is Ona
Potato is Odunku
Star is Irawo
Pin is Okinni
Tamarind is Awin
Flower is Ododo
Lobster is Okasa
Ladder is Akaba
Canoe is Oko-Ojuomi
Rabbit is Ehoro
Anthill is Okiti-Ogan
Owl is Owiwi
Cloud is Ofurufu
Scorpion is Akeeke
Tilapia is Epiya

It is just one of the area linguist need look into

Unfortunately some of the words, I dont know their Igbo names, but Rat - Oke, Cocoyam instead of cassava is Ede, Lightening is Amuma, Python is Eke, Frog instead of Toad is Akiri, Tiger instead of Ekun is Agu, Owl is Ikwikwi, Cloud I think in my own local dialect is Orukputu... I don't know what they might be in other dialects and Perhabs the central Igbo names of them. However have you check parts of the body and see the similarities there. Aleast those ones are static words. I can list so many words in Igbo that are not similar to Yoruba. So, what do we say about the similar ones? That they are just coincidence? One thing I know and I've read is the Yoruba language and Igala langauge also sound similar too. And everybody knows that Igala is related to Igbo. Both groups (Igbo and Igala) claim they begot each other. So many stories and theories

AworiLagosian:
Igbo and Yoruba language can never be under the same Language family.

They are too different to be in the same family. Have you ever heard people speaking Igbo, especially those Abia people? na die compare to Yoruba.

Yes it could be as a result of mixture of population, interaction and nearness of Eastern and North Eastern Igbo with Cross River and Kwa - Ibo people. By the way some lands in those areas were inhabited by the Ibibio and Cross River people before some of them were displaced by the Igbo living there today. A typical example is Arochukwu and Onicha Ngwa. Also along the line there were migrations from Cross River and Rivers into North Eastern and Eastern Igbo land. Typical Example being Ohafia, Abiriba, Abam, Igbere, Okpoto, Effium, Ntezi, Edda who also mixed with the people they met their and developed into what they are today.

Olu317:
You will be amazed reading this:“WEST-AFRICAN ORIGIN OF LANGUAGE: THE CASE OF IGBO –
DISCUSSIONS ON A NEW YORK TIMES ARTICLE ON THE WEST
AFRICAN ORIGIN OF MODERN LANGUAGES"

Have you seen most of the physical Structure of older Egyptians ?Their noses were always BROKEN OFF, WHY?
The Egyptians may claimed they don't have link with sub-Saharan Africa but they do, even if Islam changed the face of their HISTORY. Though there different Pharaoh that reigned which was due to one conquest or the other but they had link with Sub-Saharan Africa. The ancient Wahibre, One of the Pharaoh .Wahibre Ibiau (throne name: Wahibre ; birth name: Ibiau) was an Egyptian king of the 13th Dynasty , who reigned c. 1670 BC for 10 years 8 months and 29 days according to the Turin King List .However, from the period of Babylonians,Greeks ,Romans and Islamists, Egypt went through a lot which made them have diverse origin. According to the project's calculations, the majority of Egyptian DNA is comprised of 68% North African genes. However, Egyptians DNA makeup also shows that 3% originates from Southern Europe, 3% from Asia Minor, 3% from Eastern Africa, and 4% from the Jewish Diaspora. What is most staggering about the report is that nationals of the "Arab Republic of Egypt" are only 17% Arab.

Olu... I like your contributions. I will sure read this and learn more even. Thanks Bro

laudate:


Yes, I have always accused the IPOB-ian Igbo people of forcing their ethnic identity on others. Going by their antecedents on NL, I have no apologies for asking them to stay in their lane. They have opened several threads on such issues.

As for the Igala thread, yes I do not deny asking the Igbo to stop trying to declare to the Igala what their identity was, or what they felt it should be. They have done so in the past, on different threads. I believe it is the indigenes of a place that can state exactly what they are, or where their origins emanated from.

A lot of tribes have diverse, multicultural origins, and many of their people like to identify with their diverse origins. Most of the time, it is the Igbo who are not even related to such communities or tribes, that try to foist a mono-cultural identity on these tribes, and get very offended when members of such tribes do not subscribe to their assertions. This same attitude was displayed on the Ika, Igboid vs. Anioma thread, too.

Oh, please give my regards to your grandma. She must be a great woman.

http://www.google.com.ng/url?q=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_Egyptian_hypothesis&sa=U&ved=0ahUKEwiPhKev9PnTAhVJZlAKHcgWCAoQ0gIIDSgAMAA&usg=AFQjCNE6u4h-cZuTzb0YSD1ueIJQ4OC9fw


http://www.google.com.ng/url?q=http://www.lisapoyakama.org/en/the-ancient-egyptians-were-black/&sa=U&ved=0ahUKEwiPhKev9PnTAhVJZlAKHcgWCAoQFggTMAI&usg=AFQjCNEDWXU-Nu33iIDCns2yU3Ad4r1Ilw

http://www.google.com.ng/url?q=http://www.lisapoyakama.org/en/the-ancient-egyptians-were-black/&sa=U&ved=0ahUKEwiPhKev9PnTAhVJZlAKHcgWCAoQFggTMAI&usg=AFQjCNEDWXU-Nu33iIDCns2yU3Ad4r1Ilw

http://www.google.com.ng/url?q=http://atlantablackstar.com/2013/10/25/10-arguments-that-proves-ancient-egyptians-were-black/&sa=U&ved=0ahUKEwiPhKev9PnTAhVJZlAKHcgWCAoQFggWMAM&usg=AFQjCNHqO3x_Fsrkku71s1P_JVrsdc39lQ




http://www.google.com.ng/url?q=https://m.youtube.com/watch%3Fv%3Dc-wyBXnYgXI&sa=U&ved=0ahUKEwiPhKev9PnTAhVJZlAKHcgWCAoQtwIIKDAJ&usg=AFQjCNEO-0dkwcMGNNjhN4i5aPG5nGSnRw

http://www.google.com.ng/url?q=https://m.youtube.com/watch%3Fv%3D0OY3jsaOGAA&sa=U&ved=0ahUKEwj7o_qm9fnTAhVIZlAKHZZUC984ChC3AggOMAE&usg=AFQjCNGv2V3SDuA1169yVADqtdJDhsJE0g


http://www.google.com.ng/url?q=https://m.youtube.com/watch%3Fv%3DXYXE3tnXVKo&sa=U&ved=0ahUKEwj7o_qm9fnTAhVIZlAKHZZUC984ChC3AggRMAI&usg=AFQjCNGWzDOerfdnO4p8yqDK2jZRct4zQQ

http://www.google.com.ng/url?q=http://realhistoryww.com/world_history/ancient/Elam_Iran_1.htm&sa=U&ved=0ahUKEwijvpLa9fnTAhWHJ1AKHS52A8QQFggYMAU&usg=AFQjCNEG9VLtRzqaOmvNAP5IYH4qcIAqgg



http://www.google.com.ng/url?q=http://www.lipstickalley.com/showthread.php/584849-The-Ancient-Iranians-and-Iraqis-were-black-part-1/page4&sa=U&ved=0ahUKEwijvpLa9fnTAhWHJ1AKHS52A8QQFggjMAk&usg=AFQjCNHfmfWxE6EpDH9j7ApmPONb5_TvYA

I studied Human Ecology in Vrije Universiteit Brussel (VUB) - Brussels - Belgium.

Read! And say confusionist

laudate:


Yes, I have always accused the IPOB-ian Igbo people of forcing their ethnic identity on others. Going by their antecedents on NL, I have no apologies for asking them to stay in their lane. They have opened several threads on such issues.

As for the Igala thread, yes I do not deny asking the Igbo to stop trying to declare to the Igala what their identity was, or what they felt it should be. They have done so in the past, on different threads. I believe it is the indigenes of a place that can state exactly what they are, or where their origins emanated from.

A lot of tribes have diverse, multicultural origins, and many of their people like to identify with their diverse origins. Most of the time, it is the Igbo who are not even related to such communities or tribes, that try to foist a mono-cultural identity on these tribes, and get very offended when members of such tribes do not subscribe to their assertions. This same attitude was displayed on the Ika, Igboid vs. Anioma thread, too.

Oh, please give my regards to your grandma. She must be a great woman.

http://www.google.com.ng/url?q=http://venturesafrica.com/yorubas-are-99-9-genetically-igbo-study/&sa=U&ved=0ahUKEwjE06bV8fnTAhXMJcAKHXGsDMEQFggLMAA&usg=AFQjCNFT6etAL-E7qwLqPcGmAO80ipfJPw http://www.google.com.ng/url?q=http://newsrescue.com/yoruba-are-99-adangbe-study/&sa=U&ved=0ahUKEwjE06bV8fnTAhXMJcAKHXGsDMEQFggOMAE&usg=AFQjCNHwgjJtFhdFpTEVFIygs4dH3nbdHw

http://www.google.com.ng/url?q=http://www.herald.ng/yoruba-genetically-99-9-percent-igbo-study-reveals/&sa=U&ved=0ahUKEwjE06bV8fnTAhXMJcAKHXGsDMEQFggUMAM&usg=AFQjCNGofLa9ikNVjUWwmszyjrvvZ_dYdQ


http://www.google.com.ng/url?q=http://bmcgenet.biomedcentral.com/articles/10.1186/1471-2156-6-38&sa=U&ved=0ahUKEwjE06bV8fnTAhXMJcAKHXGsDMEQFggXMAQ&usg=AFQjCNENfYYMMjzYzy4k5gfcQjfSm7yG9w


http://www.google.com.ng/url?q=https://www.ancestry.com/dna/ethnicity/nigeria&sa=U&ved=0ahUKEwjE06bV8fnTAhXMJcAKHXGsDMEQFggZMAU&usg=AFQjCNG8ou6YWcQQI6FQxkJkHeN07nDX9Q


https://tracingafricanroots./2015/06/03/specifying-the-african-origins-of-the-african-american-genome/

laudate:


Yes, I have always accused the IPOB-ian Igbo people of forcing their ethnic identity on others. Going by their antecedents on NL, I have no apologies for asking them to stay in their lane. They have opened several threads on such issues.

As for the Igala thread, yes I do not deny asking the Igbo to stop trying to declare to the Igala what their identity was, or what they felt it should be. They have done so in the past, on different threads. I believe it is the indigenes of a place that can state exactly what they are, or where their origins emanated from.

A lot of tribes have diverse, multicultural origins, and many of their people like to identify with their diverse origins. Most of the time, it is the Igbo who are not even related to such communities or tribes, that try to foist a mono-cultural identity on these tribes, and get very offended when members of such tribes do not subscribe to their assertions. This same attitude was displayed on the Ika, Igboid vs. Anioma thread, too.

Oh, please give my regards to your grandma. She must be a great woman.

http://www.google.com.ng/url?q=https://www.africaresource.com/rasta/sesostris-the-great-the-egyptian-hercules/the-greater-igbo-nation-by-ishaq-d-al-sulaimani/&sa=U&ved=0ahUKEwjlgbr28PnTAhXsCcAKHaazBDkQFggLMAA&usg=AFQjCNFtVZ5RrfYZKjMFLkoC8lk6V9xw9Q

laudate:


Yes, I have always accused the IPOB-ian Igbo people of forcing their ethnic identity on others. Going by their antecedents on NL, I have no apologies for asking them to stay in their lane. They have opened several threads on such issues.

As for the Igala thread, yes I do not deny asking the Igbo to stop trying to declare to the Igala what their identity was, or what they felt it should be. They have done so in the past, on different threads. I believe it is the indigenes of a place that can state exactly what they are, or where their origins emanated from.

A lot of tribes have diverse, multicultural origins, and many of their people like to identify with their diverse origins. Most of the time, it is the Igbo who are not even related to such communities or tribes, that try to foist a mono-cultural identity on these tribes, and get very offended when members of such tribes do not subscribe to their assertions. This same attitude was displayed on the Ika, Igboid vs. Anioma thread, too.

Oh, please give my regards to your grandma. She must be a great woman.

I have few questions for you which you have to answer satisfactorily or you keep mute and go and read. Questions: Why is Igbo and Yoruba under the same Kwa Family? What were the criteria used in this classifications? Why wasnt Igbo classified with their closest neighbours Ijaws in the South and CrossRiver in the East, Why with Yoruba? Were the two groups grouped together even without glaring similarities? Was this classification done by specialized anthropologist/ethnographers/scientist or was it done by quacks orally? Has there been any DNA test relating Yoruba-Igbo-Edo? After answering these questions satisfactorily I'm sorry for your outbursts, Truth is bitter they say. Your outbursts have no bases... Only in-built envy... Shake it off and open your eyes to new superior horizons and views. It is not a matter of opening your mouth and talking

laudate:


Yes, I have always accused the IPOB-ian Igbo people of forcing their ethnic identity on others. Going by their antecedents on NL, I have no apologies for asking them to stay in their lane. They have opened several threads on such issues.

As for the Igala thread, yes I do not deny asking the Igbo to stop trying to declare to the Igala what their identity was, or what they felt it should be. They have done so in the past, on different threads. I believe it is the indigenes of a place that can state exactly what they are, or where their origins emanated from.

A lot of tribes have diverse, multicultural origins, and many of their people like to identify with their diverse origins. Most of the time, it is the Igbo who are not even related to such communities or tribes, that try to foist a mono-cultural identity on these tribes, and get very offended when members of such tribes do not subscribe to their assertions. This same attitude was displayed on the Ika, Igboid vs. Anioma thread, too.

Oh, please give my regards to your grandma. She must be a great woman.

http://www.google.com.ng/url?q=https://www.nairaland.com/604492/igbos-yorubas-nupe-edo-idoma&sa=U&ved=0ahUKEwjVjuy-6fnTAhXLLlAKHU3aACIQFggLMAA&usg=AFQjCNFtizDc0pfBgYJdPJ2avUEONlX6Ng http://www.google.com.ng/url?q=https://www.nairaland.com/721357/ancestral-dna-results-nigerians&sa=U&ved=0ahUKEwjVjuy-6fnTAhXLLlAKHU3aACIQFggOMAE&usg=AFQjCNHUeUu1T5u8EPRTfmd3weiBQogIsQ http://www.google.com.ng/url?q=http://www.emeagwali.com/photos/yoruba/photo-essay-on-yoruba.html&sa=U&ved=0ahUKEwjVjuy-6fnTAhXLLlAKHU3aACIQFggWMAQ&usg=AFQjCNEGKkk9rm7dnmMHXDlY_V3YuIbvng http://www.google.com.ng/url?q=https://www.nairaland.com/1496083/igbos-yorubas-cultural-comparison&sa=U&ved=0ahUKEwiKv9K16vnTAhVEaFAKHateDKIQFggVMAQ&usg=AFQjCNFGZIZZljSUBulsfY2qWRzCQ7SFgg http://www.google.com.ng/url?q=http://venturesafrica.com/yorubas-are-99-9-genetically-igbo-study/&sa=U&ved=0ahUKEwil3YHc6vnTAhVHaFAKHVRqDGw4ChAWCBMwAw&usg=AFQjCNFT6etAL-E7qwLqPcGmAO80ipfJPw

laudate:


Yes, I have always accused the IPOB-ian Igbo people of forcing their ethnic identity on others. Going by their antecedents on NL, I have no apologies for asking them to stay in their lane. They have opened several threads on such issues.

As for the Igala thread, yes I do not deny asking the Igbo to stop trying to declare to the Igala what their identity was, or what they felt it should be. They have done so in the past, on different threads. I believe it is the indigenes of a place that can state exactly what they are, or where their origins emanated from.

A lot of tribes have diverse, multicultural origins, and many of their people like to identify with their diverse origins. Most of the time, it is the Igbo who are not even related to such communities or tribes, that try to foist a mono-cultural identity on these tribes, and get very offended when members of such tribes do not subscribe to their assertions. This same attitude was displayed on the Ika, Igboid vs. Anioma thread, too.

Oh, please give my regards to your grandma. She must be a great woman.

http://www.google.com.ng/url?q=https://oloolutof./2012/08/31/oduduwa-saving-history-from-ethnic-propaganda-chukwu-eke-lagos-nigeria/&sa=U&ved=0ahUKEwiZvv2b5_nTAhWMKVAKHY2vBBQQFggaMAY&usg=AFQjCNHGRlzgmssqmkwh79z5SL6ROJGYHw

laudate:


Why are you offended? Were you not the same person who stated earlier that "I am not in for that ethnic rubbish, loud mouthedness and sacarsim, cos I don't think anyone has monopoly of it." Or have you forgotten? I merely threw your words back at you. So why are you complaining? let me just refresh your memory. Others have cited sources and facts to buttress the fact that the old Ugbo people of Ile-Ife were not the aborigines related to the present day Nd'Igbo of the South-east, but you persist in recycling your own brand of revisionism.




My words were not extreme. I merely returned the favour he had earlier extended to me, by using the same kind of language he had used to respond to my previous post. Obviously, both of you chose to ignore his earlier rants. What can we call that?

Yes I said I am not into the ethnic rivalry rubbish! What is it you have against the statement. Are you this foolish? Where have I gone contrary to my earlier statement? That instead of bringing out a superior study to prove yourself right you resorted to calling me confusionist! Didn't you call me such? And you expect me not to talk straight to you. Get lost if you have nothing meaningful t cntribute to this topic! Nonsense

laudate:


Guy, you are not just confused, but totally clueless. So blo*dy what if they belong to the 'kwa family? Do you know how many tribes belong to the kwa group, yet their languages are mutually unintelligible to each other? Do you think everyone is gullible enough to swallow the lies you are trying to recycle and pass off as 'truth' here? The only person spewing ethnic rubbish, loud mouthedness and sarcasm is you!! You know what? Never mind....

I don't notice plain empty talkers. I can only accept disproving something constructively with academic illustrations devoid of babaric gutter language. Rubbish!!!

Olu317:
Oral is part of human history and from it fact can be deduced..
The thirteen groups attached below

Can't see that well. Can I have a link? So I can study this very well: However, You can't compare what is gotten orally with what is gotten scientifically, Cos even lies when said for a long time become truth. Oral history is good but not when there is nothing scientific or factual backing it

Olu317:
Unacademic fairy tales? What Academic do people have? When some people don't have knowledge on my history and denied migration from Far East. My own ancestors migrated to ILE IFE. And the movement was in different waves. ILE IFE, has record of families. Anyone who claims to have connection to Yoruba must have link with the families at ILE IFE. Just like people are in Lagos with different identities and can still twist and speak Yoruba language till infinity. It doesn't make such a Yoruba. If some people claim ILE IFE, they must have families linked to ILE IFE. Proof it. Oral history and evidence close to it showed that Olofin Adimula fused the thirteen small units to Six groups. The sixth was headed by his younger brother. And each been acknowledged as Oba.

Sounds so oral. It should been more elaborate and clear. Don't bother yourself I can read more on works of Scholars of Yoruba history. I've read and enjoyed lots of books on Yoruba. Especially on Egba, a civilisation I love so much. I also love works done on Remo, Akoko, Owo and Ijumu. I love the works. I'm eager to study on Ikale/Ilaje/Odigbo/Ile-Oluji etc and also about the People of Ese-Odo LGA

Olu317:
Scholarly you claim? ILE IFE, has record of families. Proof it. Olofin Adimula fused the thirteen small units to Six groups. The sixth was headed by his younger brother. And each been acknowledged as Oba.

I didn't claim. Oral history

9jakool:

the kwa languages are related, however the Ugbo of Ife have nothing to do with Igbo of Eastern Nigeria. Igbo means forest and it doesn't have the same intonation of Ndi Igbo.

Illustrate why they are not related. Any proof apart from intonation? Expantiate more on your statement

Olu317:
People can claim anything irrespective of their location .However, Ibos are not from ILE IFE. I know this too well. I can't be surprised .I have revealed the name of Ogboru. Unveil them and let see if it is true. Lemme tell you one bitter thing now. Irrespective of anyone link to ILE IFE,there is a chain link of lineage of ancestors.

It is just plain. Please I don't understand this chain link of lineage you are talking about. Hope it wont end up being some form of unacademic fairy tales. Please elaborate and illustrate more on it so we can see and understand.

Probz:


All I'm seeing is another ode who thinks using block caps makes him sound smart. Yaba needs more beds.

The English came from Denmark, Germany, France and later on colonised by Rome. Are they now Danish, Germans, French and Romans? I know your type. Nobody is dragging your ethnicity with you! It isn't a matter of dishing out all gutter languages you can muster but that of articulation

laudate:


The guy you quoted is nothing but a confusionist and a revisionist. He keeps turning logic on its head, and twisting facts to suit his preconceived notions. 9jakool's rebuttal is factual and authentic. Tell your brother Sunnysparkle to take lessons from him. Those who have conducted proper and adequate research into this area, can easily tell you that the old Ugbo people of Ile-Ife, have nothing to do with the present day Nd'Igbo of the South-East. They share no historical links, and no similarities whatsoever.

They don't share anything in common yet they are placed in the same African Family of Kwa, where I can mouth - Onu and they call Mouth - Onu, I call Ear - Nti and the call Eti, Where I call Spring water - Omi and they call water - Omi... You see you are out here not to make any sense. You have refused to illustrate something systematically and academically. In science you prove and not state or deny. You are not quarrelling with anyone. I am not in for that ethnic rubbish, loud mouthedness and sacarsim, cos I don't think anyone has monopoly of it. What is the confusion here? That your ego wouldn't allow you identify similarities between groups? If they are not related, then they don't have any business being in the Kwa Family group of Black Africans! Talk and behave like an educated personality if you are one!

lawani:
YOU SAY OLUKUNMI ARE ON IGBO LAND? HOW ARE THEY ON IGBO LAND? THEY BORDER FULL IGBOS TO THE EAST! ARE THERE IGBOS BEHIND THEM? OR TO THEIR WEST? WE HAVE EDOID GROUPS BEHIND THEM NOT NECESSARILY IGBOS. SO THEY ARE ON THEIR LAND AND NOT NECESSARILY ON IGBO LAND!


YOU SAY IGBO IS ANCESTOR OF YORUBA LANGUAGE? THAT IS NOT AN ACADEMIC STATEMENT! YOU SAY IGBO IS THE PROTO FORM OR ANCESTOR OF YORUBA? THAT ISNT ACADEMIC! WHY? THERE ARE DIFFERENT IGBO DIALECTS THAT ARE NOT MUTUALLY INTELLIGIBLE, THEN YOU YOURSELF MENTIONED EKPEYE A LANGUAGE YOU SAY IS SIMILAR TO IGBO. SO THAT SHOULD TELL YOU THAT THERE ARE PROTO FORM OF LANGUAGES IN FAMILIES! AND THE ANCESTOR OF EKPEYE AND IGBO ISNT EKPEYE OR IGBO! CANT YOU DEDUCE THAT? SO HOW MUCH MORE YORUBA AND IGBO? THAT IS THE LOGIC.


THEN THE ANCESTORS OF IGBOS MADE A LOUSY DECISION WHEN THEY REJECTED KINGS. THAT WAS A LOUSY DECISION. IT WAS HOW THEY SEPARATED FROM YORUBAS!

LET ME TELL YOU, IGBO UKWU DOES NOT BELONG TO A KINGLESS SOCIETY! THOSE ARTWORKS ARE NOT NRI BUT IFE.

Please did you attend to any school at all? This is the most unacademic thing I've seen of recent. What course did you study? Who are you quarreling with the you have to descend so low to go against proven studies. Nowadays people are not into this low life ethnic rivalry and politics, we are only interested in studies not outbursts.

Well, this is one heck of a speculation. The linguistic evidence doesn't quite support this. What linguistic evidence suggests is that Igbo and Yoruba (plus Idoma, Nupe, Edo, etc) are sister languages that diverged from a common ancestor-language, i.e., one sister language did not grow out of the other (Igbo did not grow out Yoruba, Nupe did not grow out of Idoma, etc, but all sprang apart from this common linguistic ancestor.)

Illustrating with an European example: French, Spanish, Italian and Romanian are also sister-languages that developed out of one proto-language. This doesn't mean that Italian grew out of Spanish, or that Romanian is a 'spin-off' of archaic French. They all separately grew out of one proto-language.

Omi in Igbo also mean Spring Water

9jakool:

Yoruba was the name that Oyo empire was referred to by surrounding states.

First of all, "igbo" comes from the standardized modern Yoruba. The original people were known as Ugbó in the in the local Ife dialect, which translates to forest. In standardized modern Yoruba, Ugbó is known as Igbó. According to some oral sources, the people in the kingdom of Ugbó in present day Ondo state are from from ancient Ugbó of Ife.

Igbo is just a word in Yoruba with different intonation. If you speak a Kwa language, then you know how different intonation can affect or drastically change the meaning of a word. Ndi Igbo people(Eastern Nigerians) in Yoruba are referred to as ígbò or íbò, which is different from igbó (forest) and the Ìgbó in Ìgbómìnà (Yoruba subgroup). They don't have the same intonation, so they are not the same in meaning.

Ulukwumi is a Yoruba word in actuality. ígbò/íbò has no deep meaning in Yoruba. It's just a word Yoruba people used to refer to the people in the East. It has no ethymology context in Yoruba. Ulukwumi/ulukumi/olukumi/lukumi means my companion or my friend in Yoruba.

See that question is not for Yoruba people, but for Igbo people. Look into your oral sources or something.

I just explained it, they are not the same. Big difference in intonation.

Even though they refer to the same place, they have no relationship in meaning as they originate from different sources/languages. Lagos is Portuguese word meaning lake and Eko means farm or war camp.

This does not say anything to the questions I posed. Lagos is a Lagoon and not a lake. Lagos should be a corruption of the word "Isaleko". The Portugese that sailed all the way from Porto through the Atlantic Ocean know the difference between a lake and a lagoon. If you are passing the question on how Igbo of today got their name, then I stand to say that the Igbo of today are similar to the aboriginal Igbo, reason the similarity in the name of the groups, the migratory pattern of other neighbouring groups like Ijo, the aboriginal Igbo dwelled in the forest, the present Igbo still found their way into the forest Eastwards. Why must it be forest they settled? The aboriginal Igbo of Ife had a masked secret society that fights high class wars, the Igbo of today have same masked secret society that engage in fierce wars, in Delta Igbo they are called the Ekumeku and in Eastern Igbo they have different names ranging from Ekpe etc. That the Igbo of today are forest dwellers means that both aboriginal Igbo and present day Igbo livelihood depended on the forests of West Africa as gatherers and hunters, and there were certainly no boundaries then. Thats the reason despite the distance existing between the Yoruba of today and Igbo of today there are still some words that are same between the Yoruba and Igbo of today, and also some towns that sound the same, eg Oka in Ogun waterside/Oka in Ondo - Awka (Oka) in Anambra, Ijebu Ode in Ogun and Ode in Anambra, Ife in Osun and Ife in Imo, Oba in Ondo/Kwara/Kogi and Oba in Anambra, Onicha Ugbo in Delta and Ugbo in Ondo, Ara in Imo and Ara in Kwara etc. in both Languages you have words with same meaning, Orisha in Yoruba and Orisa/Olisa in Igbo, Owu (thread), Mouth (Yoruba - Enu and Igbo - Onu), Masquerade - Egúngún (Yorùbá) and Egwugwu (Igbo), Rat/rodent - Eku (Yorùbá) and Oke (Igbo), Ear - Etí (Yorùbá) and Nti (Igbo), Divination - Ifá (Yorùbá) and Afa (Igbo), House - Ilé (Yorùbá) and Ulọ (Igbo), Elephant - Erin (Yorùbá) and Enyi (Igbo), Nose - Imú (Yorùbá) and Imi (Igbo), Stone - Yoruba: Okuta and Igbo: Okute/Okwute, Amen - Yoruba: Ase and Igbo: Ise, A Twin - Yoruba: Ejire and Igbo: Ejime/Ejima, What - Yoruba: Kini and Igbo: Gini, He/she said - Yoruba: Oso and Igbo: Osi... I wish God will take us back so we can see the past and unravel all these instead of distortions, rivalry and argument. My focus is on the similarities, I am not into politics nor ethnic rivalry as concerns these findings. I am into studies, history and research. All these doesn't make one less Igbo, or less Yoruba. Some Britons migrated from Britany (Britania) in France to the present British Isles where they were fused with the Angles and the Saxtons who migrated from Denmark and Germany respectively and they Became the present day English people who were later assimilated more by the Romans. That is why there are some indigenous words we find in German/English/France. What is hard between this Yoruba and Igbo mystery? Mere looking at the maps of both groups you'll first decode that the Yorubas and the Edos were the expansionists while the Igbo on the other hand look more like the people pressured and are running and conserving on a smaller portion reason for the high population density. Before now Europeans were presenting Ancient Egyptians as Caucasoids but recent findings, logic, common sense and scientific proofs show they were black and dark-skinned Africans like us. Also recent findings proves that Blacks and Dark-Skinned people inhabited ancient Iraq and Iran. There rulers were black negroes who looked same like the Original Afro-Asiatic Hausa people, Ethiopians, Nubians with their wooly hair. There are certainly more to Yoruba-Igbo relationship than the politics and ethnic rivalry that exist between both group. More studies and research should concentrate on these similarities and more scientific history.

9jakool:

the kwa languages are related, however the Ugbo of Ife have nothing to do with Igbo of Eastern Nigeria. Igbo means forest and it doesn't have the same intonation of Ndi Igbo.

What is the meaning of Yoruba? Why are there two different types of Igbo? Yet they are not Igbo? Who gave them the same name, yet different meanings? If Ulukwumi is Ancient Yoruba, what makes the ancient Igbo Oduduwa met not the same with Igbo. Is the distance to far to be true? Remove sentiments from these and answer with facts and figures. It must be convincing not mere telling us "this is not this" without any thing to show for it. Who gave the present day Igbo the name "Igbo"? Why is it the same name with the ones Oduduwa group met? Also bear in mind that Eko and Lagos are same but yet different pronounciations.

NegroNtns:
@Post,

Have you heard about Oromo people? They are also called Oromifaa. Oduduwa did not come from Bini. Oduduwa came from Axum or Aksum in Ancient Abyssinia, known today as Ethiopia. The Oromifaa people are Cushites and their ancestral home is Aksum, they are in the Aramaic group of languages. They share a very similar culture with the Egyptians.

In fact it is believed that Aksum itself was settled by Jews escaping persecution from Egypt, they went on exodus and rested at Aksum as their final home. Of course this was at a time in their history when they did not even know where home was and wherever they found solace and hospitality, there was home.


Here are few pointers to draw on the background:

1. The Ife obelisk is considered an evidence of the spiritual connection between Ife and Aksum
2. The terra cotta of the Ife Head is seen as a production from different times but without doubt the creation of a single consciousness with cast heads excavated from tombs of the Kings in Memphis, Egypt.
3. Cults and Ritual practices are symmetrical between Ife and Egypt. Some of their deities bear resembling names (example - Yamm is the god of the sea in Egypt. Yemoja is the goddess of the sea in Yoruba)
4. Name semblance (example - Akhen ; Akin. Binis also share in this name semblance - Aken.)


Anyway, read more on these stuffs and the dots wil begin to connect for your understanding.

Hahahahaha... How long did the journey take him? Na leg or plane he use come? Na you be the pilot? So he came all the way from Axum passed many kingdoms and empires just for the purpose of dislodging the Igbo people/Obatala group he met and just to set up an Ife kingdom. Please common sense points to Benin city which existed before he came to present Ife. He came from Benin. It is as simple as that

AKYEMITE:
indeed you struggle to answer these questions. it is laughable that people can twist history to favour their point. 1.if your account is true and your alafin is so powerful as you claimed he should not have allowed the son of a slave of all people to take over his father's stool.
2. why would alafin be the only one out of oduduwa children and also a last born to dare challenge his fathers arrangement when others accept the authority of ooni.
3. why did that alafin bowed to take authority from ooni aderemi.
I asked those questions to appreciate your effort in answering the previous questions. as your account of ooni stool is only known to road side historians because it is full of contradictions and cannot stand the test of time. Let ife be it is a sacred land for all Yoruba and no amount of intimidation can change the truth. I am a pure Yoruba boy.

He bowed because the then Ooni was made Governor of Western Region by the British colonialists and it was a norm to bow and collect your certificate then. Ordinarilly this question doesn't prove superiority or inferiority in the right sense. It was courtesy of that era. Today that the Ooni is no longer governor or western Nigeria, can an Alafin bow to him. I really doubt

ifyalways:
You are absolutely right !
I speak a little Yoruba so i tend to get things mixed up.Thanks for pointing that out.

You are absolutey right: The Domestic Cat in Igbo is Ologbo or Nwa Ologbo, while the wild or bush cat is Nnanwere: Bush rat is Odu

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kite for us is 'nkwo'

Kite is Egbe while Hawk/Falcon is Ogankwo and the Stripped Black-and-white Raven is Oga, White Egret is Chekeleke

dubem3:

we call the frog 'awo' but there is a specie maybe the toad called 'mbala'

Frog is Akiri, Toad is Awo

0key:
fly~ ijiji
snake~ agwo
snail~ eju or ejula
ant~ agbisi or ndanda
pig~ ezhi
scorpion~ akpi
python~ eke
monkey~ enwe
fish~ azu
horse~ inyinya
?hyena~ edi abali
hipopotamus~ enyi mmiri
dove~ nduru

Please Civet is Edi abali not tiger. I think theres an Igbo saying "Nduru na-egbu agwo" meaning Nduru that kills snakes: How then is dove Nduru?

odumchi:
Duck :: okuko ugbala (I don't know the central version of this)



Dove :: nduru

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Cental Igbo Duck is Obogu or Oboguma: DOVE is Kpalakuku in Owerri side

odumchi:
Dog :: nkita

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Donkey :: jaki

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Dnkey is Inya or Inyinya: Jaki is not an Igbo word