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Re: The Oluyares: The Igbo Aborigines Of Ife Who Still Live There by laudate: 12:15am On May 20, 2017 |
SUNNYsparkle: SUNNYsparkle: SUNNYsparkle: Stop trying to justify your recycled fallacy. It doesn't matter how many links you paste here. You are still a confusionist and a revisionist!! |
Re: The Oluyares: The Igbo Aborigines Of Ife Who Still Live There by laudate: 12:23am On May 20, 2017 |
SUNNYsparkle: Guy, go back and re-learn the facts, and stop trying to elevate your false hypothesis to a high art. I have told you before, the fact that certain tribes belong to the same 'kwa family, does not mean their languages will not be mutually unintelligible to each other. Stop trying to force a wrong identity on different ethnic groups. |
Re: The Oluyares: The Igbo Aborigines Of Ife Who Still Live There by laudate: 12:52am On May 20, 2017 |
SUNNYsparkle: Why am I not surprised? You got called out on your attempts to rewrite the history of whole ethnic groups, and so the next thing you decided to do was to throw out insults? You just asked: "Are you this foolish?" You really ought to direct the question to yourself, maybe it would give you the opportunity to conduct a thorough introspection and proper self-appraisal. Once you have done that, kindly give us an answer. So let me ask you now...."are you this foolish?" |
Re: The Oluyares: The Igbo Aborigines Of Ife Who Still Live There by Probz(m): 2:24am On May 20, 2017 |
Laudate, laudate, laudate. How many times I don call you? |
Re: The Oluyares: The Igbo Aborigines Of Ife Who Still Live There by SUNNYsparkle: 6:58am On May 20, 2017 |
Olu317:That's my own dialect.. I don't know what the other dialects call theirs or it is centrally Thats nt the only thing I've listed there |
Re: The Oluyares: The Igbo Aborigines Of Ife Who Still Live There by Olu317(m): 10:08am On May 20, 2017 |
SUNNYsparkle:Now,let me further str8n certain facts here,that there are in Enugu enclave that had Yoruba related words. However, these were partially due to either few elements of migrations or inter-marriages. Has anything been done on language classification of the South East (Ibos) language? Igbo(Igbos) . Take for instance, Eastern Kogi State ,Northern Enugu State , Uzo Uwani , Igbo Eze North,Nsukka Local Government Areas have words slightly related to Yoruba language which could be as a result of slight migrations or inter-marriages. But we are different. Ptah’s rule over Egypt began as early as 21,000 BC! If his name and the collective name for the gods of Egypt, Neter, were Igbo in origin, it implies that an ancient civilization of Igbo extraction existed in West Africa, where the gods, and not men ruled, by at least 22,000 BC; that Egypt was an originally Igbo-speaking civilization and that early Egyptians were Igbos. One Yoruba author seeking recognition went and spew trash when he said YORUBA AND IBO PARTED LANGUAGE 2000 years ago when if in fact heavy studies had been done on Ibo language that had SPANNED OVER 21,000 YEARS AGO. ISNT IT FOOLHARDY TO ACCEPT SUCH CRAP? People just come on here to churn out trash when they have no knowledge of history. Go through this piece.
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Re: The Oluyares: The Igbo Aborigines Of Ife Who Still Live There by Olu317(m): 12:12pm On May 20, 2017 |
SUNNYsparkle:The contact with Ibo started more during the iron age era. If you check part of the places mentioned Kogi axis connecting to Northern Enugu, you will understand part of history. Eastern Kogi State , in and around the areas of Dekina , Ankpa , Idah , ibaji , Omala, Igalamela-Odolu Etc. Ife, Ankpa, Dekina, Ibaji, Ebu, Idah Eastern Kogi State , Northern Enugu State , Uzo Uwani , Igbo Eze North, Nsukka Local Government Areas The partly side in Enugu enclave were the reason for the sporadic connection because some people from part of Ibo land are IGALA GROUP. So, if you have language connection to Yoruba, it is essential, you find how your ancestors arrived at the present location you have as place of ORIGIN. 1 Like |
Re: The Oluyares: The Igbo Aborigines Of Ife Who Still Live There by Olu317(m): 12:25pm On May 20, 2017 |
AworiLagosian:The cloud encompassing the sky. However, the sky is acknowledged as Ofurufu. I am not too familiar with such . Anyway, thanks for the new additional knowledge. The point here is about engaging Ibos claims to know terms used for things,places ,animals etc having same meaning with Yorubas. |
Re: The Oluyares: The Igbo Aborigines Of Ife Who Still Live There by Probz(m): 12:41pm On May 20, 2017 |
So much stupidity on this thread. |
Re: The Oluyares: The Igbo Aborigines Of Ife Who Still Live There by Nobody: 1:40pm On May 20, 2017 |
laudate:See intellectual contribution. See open mind. No bringing in of facts to prove or disprove the message- just bitter rudeness at the messanger. |
Re: The Oluyares: The Igbo Aborigines Of Ife Who Still Live There by laudate: 1:49pm On May 20, 2017 |
igbodefender: (yawn) We have seen your own so-called 'intellectual' contribution. It was anchored on a flawed, faulty premise held up by straps of fallacy. Well done. Clap for yourself. |
Re: The Oluyares: The Igbo Aborigines Of Ife Who Still Live There by Nobody: 7:25pm On May 20, 2017 |
laudate:Nairaland is a discussion forum were ideas are brought out proven to be true or debunked with valid facts not abuse and trolling. Quit the abuse and trolling. |
Re: The Oluyares: The Igbo Aborigines Of Ife Who Still Live There by laudate: 10:53pm On May 20, 2017 |
igbodefender: Haba, na you get the Ph.D for trolling and abuse for dis side. You sef check am, nah. You really should learn to take your own advice. Or do you want me to cut & paste all the nasty epithets you have churned out on this thread? |
Re: The Oluyares: The Igbo Aborigines Of Ife Who Still Live There by ewa26: 12:19am On May 21, 2017 |
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Re: The Oluyares: The Igbo Aborigines Of Ife Who Still Live There by Nobody: 1:31pm On May 21, 2017 |
laudate:Please do. |
Re: The Oluyares: The Igbo Aborigines Of Ife Who Still Live There by Nobody: 4:06pm On May 21, 2017 |
MannyAgyeiK: The word Yoruba orginated during or after the Kiriji war. Each tribe in the now SouthWest has different names for their tribes. The most General word used to describe the people of South West was Lukumi or Ulkumi or Olukumi. Most Yoruba's in the West Indies still refer to themselves as Lukumi. The Ugbo's are different from the Igbos. The Ugbos they were chased out of Ife by Prince Ekaladerhan aka Oduduwa are the Ilajes in present day Ondo state. 1 Like |
Re: The Oluyares: The Igbo Aborigines Of Ife Who Still Live There by Nobody: 4:38pm On May 21, 2017 |
opal4real:And how are you so sure it is not the present day Igbos? The distance between Ife, Osun State and Ife, IMO State is not that far (they are both in Southern Nigeria). Yes, the Ugbo are among the Ife aborigines referred to as Igbo by Yoruba history, but research shows that they aren't the only aborigines of Ife. You also have the Owu, the Anioma (Ugbodu, Onicha -Orisa- Ugbo, Ugbokko Araba- like Idi Araba in Eko, etc.), and many other groups that today are either Igbo or Yoruba. But when Oduduwa The Great arrived in Ife, these are the people he met- ruled by Obatala, the Oba Igbo, the Obi Osere Igbo. As for what you said about Olukumi, the only place it is spoken indigenously in Africa is in Aniocha Local Government, deep in today's Igbo land. |
Re: The Oluyares: The Igbo Aborigines Of Ife Who Still Live There by baby124: 3:49am On May 22, 2017 |
Lol, stupid thread with lots of tales by moonlight and other fake stories. 1 Like |
Re: The Oluyares: The Igbo Aborigines Of Ife Who Still Live There by Nobody: 10:13am On May 22, 2017 |
baby124:Another 'intellectual' contribution that has made the thread more popular. Next. |
Re: The Oluyares: The Igbo Aborigines Of Ife Who Still Live There by Olu317(m): 6:50am On May 23, 2017 |
igbodefender:You are WRONG about OWU as well as your PERCEPTION OF OLUKUNMI /OLUKUMI. No Yoruba will deny that Olukumi are from Yoruba offshoot and has nothing to do with “UGBO". People been referred to at the period when rebel came up prominently at ILE IFE were few members of Obamakin family, who was a descendant of Obatala. And they invaded ILE IFE marketplace and stole goods, kidnapped ILE IFE people as well being dressed like moving bushes .They were covered in Raffia and were marauders. As you can see, they were part of ILE IFE group from the beginning before the rebellion. As for Owu, he was born by Odu'a 's daughter. How can you now come up with information you don't know? Stop all these connection with Ibos. It seems ,you are from OLUKUMI because, the way you kept dragging Yoruba of Olukumi and connecting them with Ibos is just uncalled for and a waste of time. 1 Like |
Re: The Oluyares: The Igbo Aborigines Of Ife Who Still Live There by Nobody: 10:59am On May 23, 2017 |
Olu317: Sir, it's either you know the truth and you are trying desperately to hide it or you don't know the truth. Now let me tackle your last post. You say that the first Olowu (Ajibosin) was born by Odua's daughter. Now that is a big.... TRUTH. Now let me ask you, who was the father, who was the husband of this Oduduwa's daughter? he was non other than Obatala, the Oba Igbo, the Obi Osere Igbo, the King of the Igbo Nation. Let me stop here for now, but take a look at the except below: Obatala: Husband of the first princess of Ile-Ife, Iyunade, and father of Ajibosin, the first Olowu. He was also the Ifa High Priest and Spiritual Consultant to Oduduwa among many other monarchs in the now the West African sub-region. Ifa divination ability was second nature to Obatala being reportedly the son and scholar of Agbonmiregun Setilu, the acclaimed Ifa progenitor from Nupeland. Obatala also had considerable farming interests as the owner of vast cotton plantations located adjacent to the River Niger in the Savannah region, presumably acquired from his vast earnings as an International Ifa Consultant – which earned him the appellation of ‘Olowu’ or cotton owner. Obatala was larger than life and was no less prominent than Oduduwa, the acclaimed patriarch of the Yorubas. In fact, he has been deified as the head and oldest of the Orishas who created the physical world at the behest of Olodumare.It is also claimed that Obatala had arrived Ile-Ife down a mythical chain long before Oduduwa arrived by similar means, and ruled the people before the latter came to stage a civil war which deposed Obatala as leader. The two were later reconciled and Obatala agreed to assist Oduduwa’s reign through his Ifa Divination. Oduduwa granted his first daughter, Iyunade, to the Ifa High Priest perhaps as part of their truce concessions.As a roving Ifa consultant, Obatala became very wealthy and invested heavily in vast land holdings in the savannah region which he employed in cotton farming, an occupation that earned him the appellation of Baba-Olowu (cotton lord). Ajibosin was to inherit a large chunk of these which formed the bedrock of his original Owu Kingdom at the fringe of the Nupe country.As an Orisha, Obatala has some of the largest followings and worshippers both at home and in the Diaspora, being matched perhaps only by Orisha Ogun and Sango adherents. Source: https://owulakoda./2014/02/28/owu-historical-facts-and-myths/ |
Re: The Oluyares: The Igbo Aborigines Of Ife Who Still Live There by Olu317(m): 11:26am On May 23, 2017 |
igbodefender:You lied my dear. There was nothing like obi osere. Useremagbo had nothing to do with you people. Get it to your medulla oblongata. Who told you, Obatala was the direct Priest? How many priests existed during Odua period? You make me laugh . This is because, you have begun to turn up as Edo to look for information to hinge on. Kindly inform me more on what you know about the family that made up of ILE IFE? You know nothing bro. If you claim they are Ibos, how come ILE IFE don't have knowledge of ONETARA OF THE IBOS? If you don't have information to this,then silence yourself. Apart from the information I screenshot,let me inform you that Yoruba language is coded in IFA. So, do yourself the needful.
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Re: The Oluyares: The Igbo Aborigines Of Ife Who Still Live There by Nobody: 12:06pm On May 23, 2017 |
Olu317:Please, Sir, go and study more of Yoruba history before typing things that put you in bad light, even among people who support your position. You are showing that there is a deep abysds where basic Yoruba history should be in your tank of knowledge. Go and read up or do some research or something to put you up to speed, then come and comment on Nairaland or wherever. Which true Yoruba historian would attempt to infer that Owu was not fathered by Obatala as you did above? And please, go to an Ifa priest and tell him there is nothing like Obi Osere Igbo and see what would happen. Lol. Finally, what's with the 'dear' you typed up there. Please, kindly take it out. |
Re: The Oluyares: The Igbo Aborigines Of Ife Who Still Live There by Olu317(m): 12:22pm On May 23, 2017 |
igbodefender:I mentioned dear because it does more honour to be humble despite my silver lining. You only replied by showing YOU DON'T HAVE EVIDENCE.SO KINDLY TAKE AWAY NONREALISTIC INFORMATION YOU SEND ONLINE OUT OF YORUBA HISTORY. I CHALLENGE YOU TO DOLE OUT INFORMATION THAT SHOWS “ONETARA" IN YORUBA LAND. PLEASE, PLEASE KEEP OFF FROM WHAT YOU HAVE NO KNOWLEDGE ON. |
Re: The Oluyares: The Igbo Aborigines Of Ife Who Still Live There by Nobody: 1:20pm On May 23, 2017 |
Olu317:Prove that the Igbo aborigines of Ile Ife are not the Igbo of today, and stop all this you are typing. By the way, researchers have been commissioned to find out if there are any links between the people of Ife in Osun State and the people of Ife in Imo State. |
Re: The Oluyares: The Igbo Aborigines Of Ife Who Still Live There by Nobody: 1:15pm On May 24, 2017 |
Igbo, first settlers in Ile-Ife—Igwe Achebe Igwe Achebe said the Igbo society existed beyond what Achebe recorded in his books, disclosing that a recent history book has ascribed to the Igbo as the original settlers in Ile-Ife and whom Oduduwa met, other than the present contest between the Ife and the Ugbo sections in Yoruba land. Igwe Achebe, therefore, tasked the academia in the University of Nigeria to conduct further research that would either authenticate the new study on Igbo settlement. Read more at: http://www.vanguardngr.com To read more on this, buy this Kindle eBook: https://www.amazon.com/History-Igbo-World-Ancient-Civilization-ebook/dp/B01K4AIUO8 |
Re: The Oluyares: The Igbo Aborigines Of Ife Who Still Live There by Olu317(m): 7:56pm On May 26, 2017 |
igbodefender:What is their Oriki? You seems to have an idea like some land grabbers . Come to ILE IFE, and tell them that Ibos are the Obatalas. It is then, your eyes will be cleared of the reality . I screenshot work done along Ibos scholars as well ethnographers to show the extent people are studying people's language and their societies. But instead to go through them for a defence, you are here derailing. Have taken your time to study what I screenshot? Or should I infer here, that, are you obsessed to Yoruba Race? Perhaps, a lot of your mind boggling questions will be treated. If you are old enough and you have elderly Yoruba men as mentors or friends , you need to ask them this questions if it was truly that IBO women in past ran away with Yoruba children after being married legally or not married at all but had children for Yoruba men? This was a norm in the 1970s .In fact, my father's distant matrilineal cousins, a boy and girl were taken to the East in early 1970s by her mother ,and the man was about 10 and 8 years respectively and never return. He hasn't been seen since then. If you doubt this allegation, verify from elderly Yoruba men. This is the only way some Ibos may be connected to Yoruba Race. Anything else is false because Ibos are Bantu groups that lived also in Egypt. 1 Like |
Re: The Oluyares: The Igbo Aborigines Of Ife Who Still Live There by Nobody: 9:10pm On May 26, 2017 |
Olu317:Nobody is grabbing any land. Ile Ife and Lagos, etc., remain Yoruba Land. Learn to distinguish between history and landgrabbing. As for some of the other things you asked about, the Igwe of Onitsha has asked the University of Nigeria to conduct further research. One is sure there will be more discoveries on the subject matter. |
Re: The Oluyares: The Igbo Aborigines Of Ife Who Still Live There by laudate: 10:46pm On May 26, 2017 |
opal4real: Guy, save your breath. Everyone has been telling them the exact same thing that you are saying here, but no... they prefer to manufacture a non-existent attachment that is blatantly fake, between the Nd'Igbo and the people of Ile-Ife. Silly revisionists! |
Re: The Oluyares: The Igbo Aborigines Of Ife Who Still Live There by Nobody: 11:29pm On May 26, 2017 |
laudate:Guy, there is no tribe like Nd'Igbo. Nd'Igbo simply means Igbo People in Igbo language. The name of the tribe is Igbo, Ibo- some spell it as Ebo, Eboe, Egbo, etc. Same tribe/ethnic group. |
Re: The Oluyares: The Igbo Aborigines Of Ife Who Still Live There by laudate: 11:34pm On May 26, 2017 |
igbodefender: Guy, I purposely used Nd'Igbo in my response, to indicate that I was talking about the present day Igbo people of the South East. Why are you upset because I did not write Igbo tribe, in full? |
Re: The Oluyares: The Igbo Aborigines Of Ife Who Still Live There by Probz(m): 7:40pm On Jan 09, 2019 |
bigfrancis21: I thought as much. 1 Like |
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