₦airaland Forum

zendy:
USA is not a forced Union. The 13 colonies of America fought and defeated the British in 1776. That same year, the leaders of the 13 colonies held meeting and decided to form "The United States America". And they all signed the American declaration of independence

American was colonised the same way as Nigeria was. Fact.

American was heralded together like Nigeria was. another fact.

America was brought together by the British without consultation of anyone. Fact.

There is no where in the history that says the Red Indians were consulted before the formation of America. Another fact.

The only difference is America fought a war of independence which we got through dialogue.

Declaration of independence is not different from motion for independence as moved by Enahoro and the eventual approval. Different methods with same objective in view.

Dedetwo:
Per the bolded, how is USA a forced union?

Read up.

I thought the southern and northern part of the country agreed to be one at the same on a platter of gold.

HiddenShadow:
Go back and study that era from a neutral military point of view

The neutral military point of view states that one side lost 2million children and women minus the men.

HiddenShadow:
And you think Kanu has not set in motion such

Let me tell you his game plan

If Nigeria fails to treat Igbos well , all Igbos will accept his view to breakout forcefully

This will see lots of Igbos invest in his idea leading to a forceful breakout

That's why Nigeria should negotiate now that there is time before it is late

Please breakout on January 1st. We can't wait.

All nah noise making and chest beating. We are used to your usual noise making of " We will we will" without doing nadal.

zendy:
I know the truth is hard to accept but Nigerians like you should start accepting. It's is not Lord Lugards job to come to from Europe,proclaim you a 'Nigerian' and give you your country. If you want Nigeria, you must ask the indigenous people like the Igbos, Ijaws,Efiks etc who have lived on their lands for tnousands what they want via referendum. Just because Lord came to west Africa the other day, you now tell these indigenous people that they are now named after a River? I laugh in Igbo. Sorry but you have no country. What you have is a forced Union and no forced Union ever lasts long

USA is another example,of a forced union and it's over 200years old and it is still standing gidigba.

Sincerely I want the dissolution of the union. It is the hateful message of Kanu that makes us to be spitting the likes of you.

HiddenShadow:
I don't need to waste my time arguing with you

Keep deceiving yourselves instead of negotiating on how to win them back

Let me tell you one secret

Why Nigeria waste precious time harassing Kanu, his men are using Nigeria's blunder to mobilize more people on their side

By the time Nigeria shortchanged the Igbos and her allies , what happened in Indonesia will occur in Nigeria

By then, his movement will take the bull by the horn.

I don't need to talk too much but remember time is running out.

Ojukwu said more than that and we all know what the history says today.

Allies such as Gabon and Cote'd Ivoire? Right. Don't come back Foaming about how world powers defeated you again.

To before warned is to before harmed.

zendy:
The constitution is greater than the people who made it? What a laugh. The people own the land, the land never owns the people.

Your constitution remains an illegal document because the union of Nigeria that created it is illegal. That's like saying that you going to court for a divorce when you were never married in the first place

Why doe the military set aside the constitution when they take over and they institute military constitution of Decree?

The constitution or Decree gives a legal backing to the people's activities.

You can say whatever you like about the constitution in the comfort of your room, the bottom line and the unfortunate part of it it is binding on you till tomorrow morning.

It is hard to seek a divorce when you have been legally binded, though you were minor and naive when the marriage solemnisation took place.

Dedetwo:
Per the bolded, I guess United Kingdom does not have a written constitution. We really have wise Nigerians.

Stating hey do not have a written constitution does not mean they do not have guiding documents they used as constitution which includes statues, treaties, verdicts etc.

That is their form of constitution.

Who says a constitution must be written as "We the people of ......"?

HiddenShadow:
I laugh at people who thinks that UN referendum can't take place in Nigeria when it took place in Britain/ Scotland.

Nigeria better negotiate now that there is time

Despite the fact that referendum is entrenched in UK constitution, it took Scotland almost 200years to enforce it. How much more you that your constitution does not recognise it.

zendy:
[b] Some people make me laugh. The constition is not greater than the people. When it comes to the issue of Nigeria and the secession question, there are important questions to answer:


Who mandated Lugard to create Nigeria?

Did Lugard seek the permission of the indigenous ethnic such as Yoruba, Hausa and Igbos before he lumped them together?

Did the ethnic groups willingly give up their sovereignty for the creation of Nigeria?

Answering these questions, one finds out that Nigeria is an illegal entity. A fraud has no legitimacy. When Lugard created Nigeria with the 1914 amalgamation, he inserted a clause in it that after one hundred years, any of the ethnic nationalities which was not happy with Nigeria was free to go. Something similar happend with Hong Kong. Britain signed an agreement to control Hong Kong for 100 years. In 1997 after 100 years, Britain withdrew administration of Hong Kong. The reason why referendum is very important is because it is the only thing which grants a country legitimacy. Nigeria remains an illegal entity without it [/b]

The constitution is greater than the people until it is amended to suit the people's wish. Infact the constitution will also state how you can amend it.

It is the manual that shows the working and modes operandi of a nation and her people.

For referendum to even stand, or refere-whatever, the constitution must even recognise it or else it is null and void, as seen in the case of the catalonians in Spain and Quebec in Canada and UN CANNOT do nadal, as in zilch, about it.

The approval of anybody was not sought before we were lumped together as a nation. That is a well known fact.

However, the world powers and divided the continent among themselves in 1878 and there is nothing you cannot do anything about it except by going to war or your constitution is amended to recognise referendum and plebiscite .

TRUTHTOPOWER:
United Nations by its charter of 1945 IS NOT a supranational government. The Corfu Channel case, 1949; Nicaragua case of 1986. laid to rest the principle of non-interference and territorial sovereignty. This principle itself became part of customary law of nations (jus cogens) as far back as 1648 under the Treaty of Peace (Westphalia).

Territorial Sovereignty being part of just cogens is also regarded as a pre-emptory norm that cannot be modified except by another norm of similar character. The famous exceptions are under humanitarian laws. for you to invoke IHL, there must be armed conflict to such an extent that shocks the conscience of humanity. Think of Libya Syria, Sudan, Rwanda and Somalia. this will bring about the principle of Responsiblity to Protect or Uniting for Peace.

Remember that UN was already in existence prior to the civil war of 1967. the humanitarian conditions then only attracted sympathy of the international community. Nigeria has assumed greater status in the UN now. Keep the Palestine struggle in mind.

From the above the rule is clear: no interference. successes in separations such as USSR was internally achieved by relevant parties.

Will Biafra be an exception to the UN rule? who knows. but you cannot invoke UN without the abhorrent levels of humanitarian conditions as we have in every other place where UN intervened. At that, Only South Sudan after 30 years of civil war could lay claim to success.

Is there a way to Biafra. Yes. Dialogue! The alternative under UN HAS BEEN war - WITHOUT A SINGLE EXCEPTION.

Keep in mind that Diplomacy is the language of UN not threat or insults of whatever kind. UN has never considered threats and insults as a legitimate mode of communication in any of its august meetings. cheers!

N.B. Kayfra. you may wish to expand your original post in the light of international principles above.

God will,bless you beyond measures in 2016.

Some are just mentally lazy and prefer to dwell on their propaganda to make themselves feel good and happy.

Both routes , whether dialogue or war, are very long tortuous path. The only difference is one will bring mystery, woes, destruction and blood along with it.

kayfra:
Let's keep it civil guys.

Whatever insults are thrown. Facts don't change and facts are stubborn.

The scallywag is picking the abusive game with the wrongest person. Even the iPod e-warriors won't thread the path he is trying to thread with me.

Worst case scenario I will be banned. He should be assured that i will gladly tell him who his fathers and grandfathers are in this country, as well as their cannibalistic history.

Dedetwo:
What a dingbat!!! IPOB and MASSOB have no interest in you wasteful land yet you are twisted out of human form because protesters do not want have miscreants as compatriots.

Nincompoops are meant to be ignored.

Dedetwo:
Only a dumbass fool will expect that secession will explicitly stated in a nation's constitution. There are enough provisions already in the Nigeria constitution that support the actions of IPOB and MASSOB. The rant and noise of dingbats are quite irrelevant.

Your shallowness is legendary and I pity who ever calls you a son or a father!!!

When will wailers ever task their vestigial brains for once?

The question is is the amount of weapon available and the quality commensurate with the amount expended so far on ammunition purchase?

Dedetwo:
You are a renounced dunce if you cannot see the reasons for self determination in the basic rights guaranteed by human rights charter of 1999 Nigerian constitution.

I will rather ignore your brainless igbotically and odoriferous buccal cavity diarrhoea.

By the post of some people, you will know they are osu caste, conquered Nigerian slave and 5th class citizens of Nigeria.

Dedetwo:
Only a fool thinks that next war in Nigeria will look like that of 1967. There is nothing absolutely wrong for any group of people to exercise their fundamental human rights as stated in human right charter enshrined in 1999 Nigerian constitution. If it is going to lead to war, so be it.

We have asked you which of the 1999 constitution is your dream self determination enshrined, but you have been foaming in the mouth rather than giving a simple logical answer.

How shallow can you be?


Be rest assured if 2million people were suyanised the last time, I hope 20million will not be used for target practise this time around. No thanks to the sophistication of modern weapons.

kayfra:
Thank you. Hardly any country on earth without separatist movements and no extreme case of persecution against Biafrans exist in Nigeria. Extreme being the keyword.

Their problem is that they are intellectually lazy.

UK can never back the breaking of Nigeria and you can rest assured other western powers will be less bothered, most especially US. Russia does not give a hoot, in as much as it can sell its own ammunition to all sides. China will stand aloof.

Maybe they are counting on Gabon, Tanzania and Cote'd Ivoire once more at the UN.

Dedetwo:
What an inveterate ninny. No constitution explicitly guarantees secession. However the fundamental human rights charter guarantees the three basic rights to self determination as long as the people have territorial home land. They are:

Right to personal liberty
Right to peaceful assembly and association
Right to freedom of movement

Illiterate joker.

How does your right to left and right to centre translates to constitution guaranteeing self determination?

Some of you are either too lazy to read up or you can only read and write but lacks comprehension capacity.

kayfra:
I already posted it and yet to get a response.

It's just more obvious this whole Biafran thing wasn't well thought out and it's no wonder the very educated are staying away from it. Just a few checks here and there identifies gapping holes in any strategy.

And we've not even talked about the steps to even get a referendum at play!

The only way to activate referendum is through constitution amendment which can only be done by the National Assembly. If we are really serious about the insertion of that clause, the elected parliamentarians from SS, SW, SE and NC only need to build bridges and they will have their way.

It can never happen or might be difficult to see reality because those politicians are mostly after their interest and not the interest of some jobless and dirty looking riff raffs observing early morning jogging exercise in the name of protesting for one online and imaginary nation.

OfoIgbo:
The UN can do a great deal to Nigeria, if the country is not united. A faulty and fraudulent constitution has already created the disunity. The only way to be impervious to UN manilulations is the discarding of the 1999 constitution and the adoption of the People's constitution. That will ensure every section of Nigeria sees Nigeria as protecting their interest, hence worth fighting for.

As things stand, the UN can easily destroy Buhari or Nigeria because a huge section within Nigeria, feel marginalised. Igbos alone can easily defeat Nigeria, if Nigeria is not supported by the west, let alone in a situation where the UN gives them the legal backing and weapons procurement rights.

That is why the only way to go, is the adoption of a people's constitution, thus giving everyone a sense of belonging

Don't you get it. Which super power will support it, when each of them have secession cries in their backyard.

In USA, the southern states are crying to pull out of the union.

In China, Tibet is crying like a child that was abandoned by his mother.

In Russia, Chenchya is there.

In Spain, basque and Catalonia are in a constitutional log jam.

In Canada, the plebiscite and resolution of Quebec To break away from Canada was null and void.

In Britain, we just had Scotland referendum sailing through after 200years of agitation and what was the end result?

Secession of Eritrea, East Timor and South Sudan came with blood and water that was shed for years.

Kosovo is the only country that seceded with UN resolution, which was borne out of slobodan milosevic genocidal acts. Hence, the special status it is accorded.

Dedetwo:
The right to Self-determination is supported by Sections 35, 40 and 41 of the Fundamental Human Rights Charter of the 1999 Constitution of the Federal Republic of Nigeria.

You are a sexy joker.

Tell the world what the section of the constitution saysand see your folly and illiteracy at play.

Dedetwo:
Are you sure that 1999 constitution did not guarantee the freedom of self-determination?

The constitution does not recognise referendum, self determination and secession. Advocating for any of these is a transgression on the constitution. The present constitution recognises the present entity and taking an inch away from the entity is null and void.


The first thing you must all clamour for is a genuine constitution amendment that will recognise REFERENDUM.

Based on referendum, you can call for plebiscite. Based on the result of the plebiscite, you can secede peacefully.

Other than this process, it is a clear case of invitation to anarchy.

Some people died to uphold the supremacy of the constitution during the last war and their deaths cannot be in vain, until the constitution is amended.

The OP must be a Yoruba!!!!!

I will vote for a Female President, provided she is in the league of Funmilayo Ransome Kuti, Dora Akunyili.

If she is in the class of Etteh, Diezani and Stealer Oduah, forget it,

Please we do not want ordinary buildings, Mr. minister.


Let it have basic instruments and equipments, drugs and personnel to make it functional at an acceptable standard.

EasternPride:
Is that your best shot?

Naaaaaahhhhhhh.


That is just testing-testing aka "Hello Chief Chief".

MTN has been strategically sabotaging Nigeria's security.


For the chest beaters, the bringing down of Nigeria by December that you promised us remains 2days.

We are waiting.

The guy should be tied to a horse and dragged throughout the federation, passing through all the 36 state capitals.

Wish we were still in medieval ages, he would have been fried in the pot of boiling palm oil.

The Lunatic Albino will live his remaining days on earth in the dungeon of DSS.

Another good news coming from Nigerians of O'dua descent.

I thought some jokers said they are the only ones that travels.

APCHaram:
He is fighting a cause that will give him a name for life while the likes of you are busy doing online touting for your useless politicians.

When he becomes am internationally respected figure in future where will you be?

Taju tout like you have no guts or spine.

The likes of Tompolo and Asari and Kanu are carving a nation while your Sowore's are selling their future and conscience for peanuts.

No wonder you remain cowards and subservient to your oppressors.

How has that saved the Lunatic Albino from the dungeon of DSS, where he is eating half cooked beans, despite all your early morning joggings like cannibals.

He will die the miserable death he wished us and remain the inconsequential toothless lion that he is.

..... and his incarceration continues.


How much is it to watch the toothless lion and lunatic albino in the DSS Zoo, at least we have enough time to do that during this long hols.