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winner01:
A global atheist convention drawing less than 5000 people on both occasions was not poorly attended.

Are you normal?

Lol....given that it was in Australia and that atheism is a niche belief, that is a huge number

Butterflyleo:
Close-minded bigots.

The irony.

You that cannot stand atheists. You that spews lies about atheists from left to right.

winner01:
Ranchhoddas, make sure you attack such bigotry in your brother when next you wish to tell me that atheists are only bound by a " lack of belief". Christians are only bound by a "belief in Christ as the son of God". " Christian" mean those who wish to be like Christ. Whatever they believe outside that is their individual issue. Whatever they say may not really concern me. If a Christian wishes to love buhari, he's free.

Whatever a Christian does can be judged using the same Christ he looks up to.

All you said about christianity are your opinions and I'm not really interested in separating you from your bigoted opinions. You need it to feel good, to feel superior to religious people. Slave masters also felt the same way about their slaves.


The same topic of slavery that we have gone back and forth severally is what you still want me to come here to waste my time on?
https://www.nairaland.com/3210816/bible-slavery-answering-ignorant-atheists
You joke.

Fact is, Slavery did not begin with christianity. Christians ended slavery while atheists did nothing. Go masturbate on that.

You can cry all you want with your lies.

When it comes to the transatlantic slavetrade, christianity is a major player. That is a fact you cannot escape.

Christians are bound by the Bible and the Bible supports slavery. Deny it all you want but it is stain and shame that will always be with Christianity.

Christianity and Islam are the only things that can make a black man support his slave master.

Butterflyleo:
You can be such a dolt. Now you blame slavery ON RELIGION and not on greed, selfishness or politics or even culture but strictly on religion. Yet on winner01s thread you shamelessly lied that atheism questions other things besides religion.

Here you are doing exactly the opposite to your claim on that thread.

Besides all this slavery nonsense has been tackled before. Always check nairaland for threads to avoid opening similar threads where issues of this nature have already been trashed. Nobody has time to waste on repetitions.

There is no contradiction in what I have been saying. When it comes to black slavery, religion is the main. Culprit.

I am not in the politics section or romance section. I am discussing religion here. When it is time for politics I will discuss politics.

winner01:
Lol

You're not here to give me proof you mean

I asked for simple proof and your jumping all over the place.

Which proof? Did I not show you proof by quoting an atheist who blamed our country's problems on greed, corruption etc?


Ogbeni, you just want to repeat yourself.

CuteMadridista:
A discussion on this has happened here https://www.nairaland.com/4405316/thank-god-slavery

check it out sir

I have seen it before. I just want Butterflyleo, felixomor and co to address the issue here

winner01:
Every well meaning and reasonable person on this section must have observed that when atheists push their arguments, they coat it with all sorts of sugary names, pro-science, rational etc. However when they are being defensive, they retreat and teoo you atheism is just a rejection of beliefs. Deny it all you want, I can give you proof, just ask politely.

The dictionary has a definition of atheism and it has nothing to do with science.

Please, keep your lies to yourself.

winner01:
I know you can almost never find a thread on this section which an atheist created to blame any other thing apart from religion. I also know that you'll rarely find any atheist here blaming anything else other than religion. However im willing to accept atheist quotes. When quoting, refer me the thread link where atheists have criticized any other thing apart from religion. I'm interested in exposing the real intent behind those quotes and to let people know that for every time an atheist becomes honest enough to criticize anything else other than religion, he must have criticized religion a 1000 times.

I'm not here to do your research for you. I have already quoted one post that clearly destroys your claim.


Feel free to bask in ignorance. Thanks

winner01:
You don't know me. Those who know me here know my worldview over the years, they know from manybof my posts. That's a stupid conclusion. Its acceptable though with your level of bigotry.


I'm not questioning your belief so don't get worked up. I'm simply interested in pointing out the obvious flaws of atheism.

Stop changing topic abeg. You claimed that atheists don't question atheism. I gave you clear reasons why that is nonsense. For one atheists generally move along the -deist-agnostic-humanist-atheist spectrum. They question themselves too

cc. Butterflyleo, winner01, emmanystone, felixomor et all, come and defend your slave religion.

A Black Florida State Representative, Kimberly Daniels, clearly stated that she was thankful for enslavement of black people in America-


https://wp.production.patheos.com/blogs/sites/410/2018/03/DanielsFL1.png



This is a clear example of how religion has defiled and decimated the thinking faculties of the black man, both in the West and in Africa. Even here on nairaland, we have people who are happy that Europeans came and colonized Nigeria because they feel that the Europeans brought christianity and civilization to Nigeria.




These are the things that religion does to the black man

1. Christianity makes blacks worship a white (Italian looking) Jesus

2. Christianity makes blacks to praise their slavemasters because they brought christianity

3. Christianity makes black to become slaves to Isreal. Pilgrimage and supporting Isreal over Palestine. Also see the clowns called "Igbo Jews".

4. Christianity makes religious Nigerians to support a madman like Donald Trump over Obama.

5. Islam.........Just take a look at Northern Nigeria.....enough said.

winner01:
Bullshit!!!

Question atheism and let people see that you really question atheism. Don't just say you question atheism using an atheist's scale.

Is it not still questioning atheism? Please, stop saying things that do not make sense. The Dawkins scale works for everyone. Even christians use it. I remember having a debate with a christian who said that he is a "1" on the scale- meaning that he 100% believes in God.


I have been a christian, deist, agnostic, atheist etc......I have been through the rabbit hole and back.

You have always been a christian. Sincerely you are an unqualified novice when it comes to questioning beliefs or disbelief.

winner01:
1. What stupid massive global conventions. The first 2 conventions were poorly attended. Give me examples of local atheists conventions.

2. Darwin was great in the circle of atheists that unfortunately constitute less than 4% of the total world population. If he actually contributed meaningfully to humanity like several religious scientists did, then he could be qualified using the adjective "great".

Why are you lying that the fist 2 conventions were poorly attended? One event had 2500 people while the other had 4000 people.




"The same convention in 2010 included Dawkins (perhaps near the height of his post-God Delusion fame) and PZ Myers (whose Pharyngula website was head and shoulders more popular than any other atheist blog at the time). Approximately 2,500 people attended the event.

In 2012, not long after the death of Christopher Hitchens, the guests included the remaining “horsemen” (Dawkins, Daniel Dennett, and Sam Harris). They were joined onstage by Ayaan Hirsi Ali. The other presenters included philosophers Peter Singer and A.C. Grayling, physicist Lawrence Krauss, and science advocate Eugenie Scott. That event drew over 4,000 attendees"
http://www.patheos.com/blogs/friendlyatheist/2017/11/22/what-can-we-learn-from-the-cancellation-of-the-global-atheist-convention/

Butterflyleo:
This dummy never reads anything in order to understand it.

Can you show me one place here on nairaland when an atheist has ever blamed the Nigerian government for anything. Do they not always blame religion?

Even Seun knew he was stuck so took the easy way out but not you.

I really do not know where to even begin with you. Ahhhh!

First, I addressed different points the op made and he has replied defending some of them. So, it is you who does not understand.



To show how dense you are, let me show you where atheists have criticized the Nigerian government.



First, here is an atheist blaming not only religion but politics and greed also for Nigeria's problems-

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PROSCRIBING THEM AS TERRORISTS IS NOT ENOUGH TO DENT THEIR INTERNATIONAL REPUTATION.

THEY'RE MINDFUL, PROUD PEOPLE WHO CARE ABOUT EACH OTHER, AND ARE NOT WILLING TO ACCEPT KOBOS FROM SPONSORS TO THROW BOMBS AT EACH OTHERS, LIKE THE NORTHERNERS.


IT'S JUST A SHAME THAT OUR ONCE MIGHTY RICH, PEACEFUL, AND POWERFUL NATION HAS BEEN TORN APART BY GREED, HATRED, TRIBALISM, RELIGION, AND POLITICS. [/quote]When I have time, I will search and post more


cc Winner01

winner01:
Ad hominem


2. I'll like you to point me a thread where atheists blame anything else except religion for all those evils. I can give you proof of several atheists blaming religion for evils. Can you give proof?

Please stop posting nonsense meme pics then. Your pic clearly stated that atheists blame only religion for evils in this world


www.nairaland.com/attachments/4284754_s17716603edit_jpeg9ab558c6ad86ebb9149411d826434815

winner01:
Ad hominem



1. Nowhere in the op did I opine that atheists define atheism as science. Many atheists bring up science during arguments and this has been clearly observed by several people active on this forum.

See lies! What is the sixth defintion of atheism in your nonsense meme pic? Is it not claiming that atheists define atheism as "science"?

www.nairaland.com/attachments/4014016_1203889711153861451720936240045213250362501o_jpeg4f6aff35b721e5ac3edf7cf4c753f218

winner01:
That's the point I was trying to make in the Op. No atheist questions atheism.

Which summarizes the nonsense written in the op.

Even atheists question atheism. Using the Dawkins scale, many atheists slide between hard atheism and agnosticism because one must always leave room for a possibility that something could exist and we may not know about it.

winner01:
www.nairaland.com/attachments/4284754_s17716603edit_jpeg9ab558c6ad86ebb9149411d826434815




In reality, the ones who question reality and others areas of reality are theists. This is why religious people have always majorly been the

So Nigerian atheists don't blame bad politicians, greed and bad policies for evils within the society eh? We only blame religion?


You sir can keep posting your false memes/pics up and down- they will be exposed as lies

Winner01 and butterflyleo are experts in the kitchen sink or gish-gallop method of arguing.

You post a verbose wall of nonsense for the opponent to unravel.


The Gish Gallop (also known as proof by verbosity[1]) is the fallacious debate tactic of drowning your opponent in a flood of individually-weak arguments in order to prevent rebuttal of the whole argument collection without great effort.
https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Gish_Gallop


Just look at the number of falsehoods in the op

1. Atheists define atheism as "science"

2. Atheists only blame religion for the evils of society. (REALLY? So atheist nigerians dont blame corrupt govt?)

3. Atheists only question religion and don't question other areas of life. (Note that there are religious atheists)

4. Atheism is a belief

5. Atheism has caused more casualties than religion


What nonsense

sonofthunder:
you are detailing sir, pls try and get in line with the op.

Detailing or derailing?

Butterflyleo:
LMAO those are your own cooked up reasons. I guess these reasons were not there when they successfully held the first 2 conventions.

You forget that this is the third one

You never think at all.

1. If you hold 2 massive global conventions that leads to many local conventions, how would the third global conventions have any novelty? Are you thinking at all?

2. Dawkings was great until his misfirings against feminists and muslims

Nonsense.

In the UK, schools are rated by exam performance, facilities and employability after graduation.

Only here in Africa that a baboon wants to rate school by how religious it is.

It comes as no surprise that conservative websites made fun of the cancelled atheist convention.

It shows where butterflyl1on aka butterflyleo gets his mom's formation from.

From simple research, there were numerous reasons why the atheist convention failed. As usual, the op failed to give any of the real reasons....


1. Novelty has worn off- atheist conventions are no more new and exciting.

2. Local conventions have arisen and now suffice for many atheists....so why pay expensive tickets to Australia?

3. Not everyone likes Dawkings who is one of the chief speakers at the event.

Butterflyleo:
It doesn't!

This is what you have descended to? Shameless denials?

Butterflyleo:
Will you make an effort to me smart for once in your life? I did stop and I did think and as long as atheists see themselves as subjective and reject religious morals then they are ALL nihilistic.

I wonder why you think all the atheists whose quotes I put up are all singing the same song.

Make an effort to think next time if you would.



Any atheist who is a pessimist is a nihilist because both cannot be separated and so far all atheists who hold the subjective moral position are nihilists whether you like it or not.

It is this rejection of objective religious morals that has made atheists to be REALISTS and just like those who have commented here earlier they never see a brighter or better future because they believe in NOW because they reject the "imaginary" better and brighter future that religion offers.

But there are religious atheists...... which defeats your point

Butterflyleo:
I am sure you read the comments on this thread right from the beginning.

Do you mind carrying out an analysis of the comments? Unless you are saying that the atheistswho made those comments do not have good hearts.

Besides, what is a good heart? What is the basis for morality for an atheist? How do they rationalise "good" from "acceptable" because to an atheist, morality is subjective which in itself is ridiculous. This means that "they" decide what is good or bad and can choose to do bad because they feel that at that point, that bad is a good thing.

Can you please help me join in my clarion call by asking any atheist here to list out what atheism has to offer since they as atheists believe in this reality as of today and never imagine a future that isn't tangible to them. So where is the hope Coming from?

These are honest words from atheists below who do not pretend about anything same way those who commented here as atheists stuck with their worldview and spoke about the hopelessness and emptiness of their worldview





He also said and I quote

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If that’s not enough, the atheist chemist Peter Atkins goes as far as to call us

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The atheist Jon Casimir, as cited by Marsden, is forthright with his own comment and I quote him:



Existentialist Jean-Paul Sartre goes on to articulate his nihilistic epiphany thus:


The religious are seen as objective while atheists see themselves as subjective. I could show you what they think of objectivity and how silly it is and this has made them (atheists) to hold absolutely NO VALUES.

So tell me again where their hopes, encouragement, motivation, comfort, etc comes from.

You need to read up and find out why ALL atheists are nihilists.

This is your problem- YOU NEVER STOP TO THINK WHETHER ALL THE ATHEISTS YOU QUOTED ARE NIHILISTS/PESSIMISTS. YOU JUST AASUME THE REPRESENT ALL ATHEISTS (SOME OF WHOM ARE RELIGIOUS)