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Butterflyleo:
Calling you a dummy is being too kind.

Jesus was God IN THE FLESH but was also man.

He was God manifest in a body but that was not his essence. You talk too fast and never think before doing so.

This is obviously too deep for an atheist to grasp so I am not surprised

The body was just a means to an end but because he possessed the body he was still God despite it not being his essence. The body was not his physical side because he had none.

Atheists and zero spiritual understanding are 5 and 6

Jesus is flesh and blood but not a fleshy being. No contradiction there, abi?


Spiritual understanding indeed.

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Born2Freak:
Iranu! Ko make sense!

Jesus is not a fleshy being? A man that is flesh and blood?

I have truly found someone dumber than felixomoron

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winner01:
If you truly believe that God does not exist, how can you even begin to discuss if God is flesh and blood or a spirit?

Dey swear for you?

I know that you are not intelligent enough to understand a "hypothetical argument". Move along.

winner01:
Beating a slave was punishable by death. Read my last thread and stop being a bigot.

keep lying.

winner01:
Did you not see where I said that the economic and legal positions regarding slavery varied amongst nation, cultures and religion?

You really think slavery began with the bible don't you?

All the nonsense you're talking about are not found in the BIble.

Christians also rose up to rid the world of slavery.

Just read my last thread and educate yourself na

you are proud of your ignorance. smh

Butterflyleo:
Ogbeni stop sounding silly. Jesus was God MANIFEST IN THE FLESH but was not a fleshly being. The name of God is not JESUS. Jesus was simply an embodiment of God IN THE FLESH. As Jesus he was still God but also man. However that was not HIS BEING.

I predicted that butterflylion will get caught in his web of lies and lo and behold, it has come to pass.


Note how he has lied so much and now he has contradicted himself;


1. He claims that God is only spirit (not flesh and not physical) but yet he believes that Jesus (who lived and died as a man) is God.

2. He claims that Jesus is not a fleshy being but yet he agrees that Jesus was flesh and blood.





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winner01:
When people sold themselves as slaves, of course they were properties.

Beating a slave was punishable by death, I proved that in my last thread.

The bible has been human to billions of people and has been the baseline for most Democratic foundations. The bible records prostitutes being stoned to death and still records Jesus (the focal point of christianiry) standing against religious zealots who were ready to stone a prostitute.

You and your brother are born from the same root of lies. You are natural liars.


Beating a slave is allowed in the bible. Stop telling lies.

winner01:
Can you give me an example of a parent stoning his child to death in the Bible

Also, slavery was economical, cultural and ethical in ancient times.

Checkmate

Slavery was ethical in ancient times? Slaves that were sacrificed to ancient gods? Slaves that were worked to death? Slaves that were forced into wars? Slaves that were used as cannon fodder?

Please, do not reproduce. We already have enough foolishness in this country

winner01:
I explained everything perfectly.

Slavery is as old as humanity, people sold themselves into different forms of servitude due to financial reasons, criminals who otherwise should have gotten the death penalty were also forced into servitude. The bible gave human and legal conditions protecting such persons.

This is not similar to the transatlantic slave trade. No matter what you say, history is on our side .

The Bible clearly said that slaves are the property of their masters.

The Bible allows beating of the slaves except when he beating leads to death.

The Bible has never been human to normal people not to talk of slaves. Prostitutes and blasphemers were stoned to death. How well would a slave be treated in the Bible.

Butterflyleo:
And someone saying there is GOOD slavery does not mean he liked it?

You understand nothing

Where did I argue that he liked it or not? I said that slavery is in the bible whether he liked it or not. His liking it is not relevant.

There is no such thing as good slavery.


But then, you are proof of the title of this thread- religion has turned you, a black man, to a fool. Keep supporting slavery.

Butterflyleo:
Where did I say Moses saw the future? You copy and paste and do not read to understand what you copy.

God is not flesh. God is a spirit.

John 4:24



Gods purpose and nature (attributes) are made manifest via his creation but his being is a spirit.

Luke 24:39



^^^

The words of Jesus himself. Asking if God who is a spirit has a physical side is the height of being silly.

So, let me get you straight;

1. You are saying that God has no physical side

2. You are indirectly saying that you are not a trinitarian i.e Jesus is not God

3. Moses did not see God physically.


Please, state if you agree with the 3 points I listed, so I can put forth my own argument.

winner01:
Actually I like it, and I explained it effectively in my previous thread

You explained nothing.

You only claimed that there is good slavery in the bible. How silly

I just want to clarify this notion of God being only a spirit after having this debate with a christian apologist

superhumanist:
So wait. God, has no physical side to himself?

So when his backside was seen by Moses what was it? Spiritual?

Clown that doesn't even know the God of his religion.

Butterflyleo:
Moses said he wanted to see Gods glory.

God instead said HE WILL CAUSE ALL HIS GOODNESS TO PASS BEFORE HIM BUT WILL ONLY ALLOW HIM TO SEE HIS BACK PARTS.

BACK PARTS OF WHAT? HIS GOODNESS

What is the goodness of God? His creation!

God showed moses all his might has created and this was how moses was able to write Genesis despite not being there.


Exodus 33: 18-23

His hind parts is the past. His face is the future. Moses was only permitted to see into the past. John the one who wrote the book of revelations was now the one who saw the face (future).

So, the question is simple

1. Does God have a physical side or is he totally spiritual?

2. Did Moses see God literally or see the future?

winner01:
Do you believe everything an atheist says?, I have some quotes to show you.

there is slavery in the bible whether you like it or not

Too many razz people nowadays.

These wrestlers mentioned are the ones that local Nigerians know from watching the local channels.

If you had satellite back in the day you would have known far more legends like

1. Rick Flair

2. Sting

3. Randy Savage "Macho Man"

bobowaja:
Shouting something and pasting pictures up and down cannot and will never affirm your claims. I have seen several of your posts, and fallacies is all they are. Jam packing and cherry picking is all you do.

It is called the gish gallop.

The Gish Gallop (also known as proof by verbosity[1]) is the fallacious debate tactic of drowning your opponent in a flood of individually-weak arguments in order to prevent rebuttal of the whole argument collection without great effort. The Gish Gallop is a belt-fed version of the on the spot fallacy, as it's unreasonable for anyone to have a well-composed answer immediately available to every argument present in the Gallop

Ishilove, the disciplinarian, any comments?

winner01:
Of course, any rebuttal against atheism is false

firstly you have no proof of this.

Secondly, human logic always acts in the best interest of individual humans. And this has always been proven to be selfishly oriented. For instance, why won't I rob a bank if it will make me richer

Human empathy is also not a prerequisite for morality. All the humans who enslaved Africans had empathy, yet they didn't deem it fit to eradicate slavery until Christians took a stand.

Na you know. Atheists are atheists. Whatever sugar you wish to coat it with is your headache.

Its not a contradiction. Its only proof that morality is innate, it is god-given. You must steal from God while still claiming the God does not exist. This is the only justification for anything condemned by an atheist. I pointed out all these in the op, you people don't read.





Loo, you've said nothing dude. Why is slavery wrong if my actions are calculated to satisfy me, did your grandma fix a standard for my morality or that of everyone on earth

You have started being silly again. How can you say that all atheists are the same? Are all theists the same? Are all theists christians? Are all atheists like Chairman MAO Zedong? Why do you just want to be ignorant?


Oga, morality is a function of both logic and empathy. Both are needed for balance. Logic is true but cold and calculating while empathy balances the cold side of logic with love.


To illustrate this and also show why religion and god are useless when it comes to morality, I have an example for you-

WHY IS IT WRONG TO RA.PE A LADY?

1. BECAUSE IT WILL HURT HER PHYSICALLY AND MENTALLY
2. BECAUSE THE BIBLE SAYS RAPE IS BAD
3. BECAUSE YAHWEH DOES NOT LIKE IT
4. RAPE IS NOT WRONG. MORALITY IS AN ILLUSION



THE CLEAR ANSWER IS NUMBER 1. YOU WOULD EVEN RELY ON THE BIBLE FOR MORALITY BECAUSE THE BIBLE IS SILENT ON MANY ISSUES.

winner01:
Read, read and read.

Christians ended slavery when atheists had all the chance to show the world how moral atheism is.

Stop repeating lies and revelling in ignorance.

1. There were freethinkers in the slavery abolition movement. Stop telling lies as if it was only christians that worked against slavery

2. There were also many christians who wanted slavery to remain the status quo. There was even a war to keep slavery in America.

3. In fact, christians enjoyed black slaves for over 300 years before abolishing it. So please, you cannot eat your cake and have it. Christianity supported slavery since the early catholic church- that is over 500 years and after enjoying it thoroughly, you want to take the glory for ending it.

winner01:
11. Do atheists have the moral rights to blame anyone for slavery?


This is not to say that you have to believe in God to be a good person or that atheists are immoral people. Some atheists live more moral lives than many Christians. This is not also to say that atheists don’t know morality. Everyone knows basic right and wrong whether they believe in God or not. In fact, that’s exactly what the Bible teaches (see Romans 2:14-15).

What I am saying is that atheists can’t justify morality. Atheists routinely confuse knowing what’s right with justifying what’s right. They say it’s right to love. I agree, but why is it right to love. Why are we obligated to do so? The issue isn’t how we know what’s Right, but why an authoritative standard of Rightness exists in the first place.


Atheists are caught in a dilemma. If God doesn’t exist, then everything is a matter of human opinion and objective moral rights don’t exist, including all those that atheists support. If God does exist, then objective moral rights exist. But those rights clearly don’t include cutting up babies in the womb, same-sex marriage, and their other invented absolutes contrary to every major religion and natural law.

Now, an atheist might say, “In our country, we have a constitution that the majority approved. We have no need to appeal to God.” True, you don’t have to appeal to God to write laws, but you do have to appeal to God if you want to ground them in anything other than human opinion. Otherwise, your “rights” are mere preferences that can be voted out of existence at the ballot box or at the whim of an activist judge or dictator.

This your point 11 is laughable and false.

1) Morality comes from 2 sources; human logic and human empathy. God is not necessary for morality. In fact, religious people and countries are usually the most confused about morality.

2) There are different kinds of atheists. Some are humanists, some are buddhists, some are liberal and some are conservative. Some believe in objective morality grounded by religion. Some believe in objective morality grounded in logic and some, do not believe that theres any objective morality.

3) You even contradict yourself by admitting that there are atheists who live a more moral life than some christians. How then are they able to live such moral lives if they cannot ground it? If one cannot ground his morality or beliefs, the person will never be consistent in that belief. The truth is that morality is and should be grounded on logic and empathy which is common to all humans (except the mentally challenged).



In summary, atheists have every right to question the immorality of slavery in christianity. The argument that atheists have no right to crtitize wrongs because their moral beliefs are different is just foolish. It is the equivalent of slapping an atheist and telling him not to complain because his morality is not grounded in God- you will find yourself in Jail

winner01:
3. Slavery in the Bible.
These issues, and others like them, necessitated that God institute some form of humane regulations for “slavery.”

Below are some laws in the Bible that regulated slavery and protected slaves:
-Injuring or killing slaves was punishable - up to death of the offending party. (Exo 21-20, Exo 21-26,27)
-Hebrews were commanded not to make their slave work on the Sabbath. (Exo 23:12)
-You must not slander a slave (Prov 30:10)
-You must not have sex with a woman slave (Lev 19:20)
-You must not return an escaped slave (Deut 23:15)
- A Hebrew was not to enslave his fellow countryman, even if he owed him money, but was to have him work as a hired worker, and he was to be released in 7 years or in the year of jubilee (which occurred every 50 years), whichever came first. (Lev 25:39-43)
- A slave owner was encouraged to "pamper his slave" (Prov 29:21)

2) There was hard slavery in the bible. This is a fact that the op is trying to twist and deny.

You could beat your slave in the bible;
Exodus 21:20-21
20 “Anyone who beats their male or female slave with a rod must be punished if the slave dies as a direct result, 21 but they are not to be punished if the slave recovers after a day or two, since the slave is their property


The bible makes it clear that the slave is the property of the master and you can beat the slave as long as the slave does not die.

The op of this thread is a wilful slave (of christianity) and so, he must defend slavery.


However, lets examine the silliness in denying slavery in christianity as per the op

1. The op claims that the transatlantic slavery by Europeans and Americans was "raced based" but that of the bible was not "raced based". This is a lie because we know two things that happened in the bible;

a) Yahweh only cared about the slavery of Isrealites. He did not care about the slavery of the Canaanites and other people. Yahweh only acted when the Isrealites were enslaved by Egyptians- he sent Moses to save the isrealites.

b) It was a crime in the old testament to enslave a fellow Jew but not other people. A jew could only work 7 years as an indentured servant.

Judas2013:
This is an idiot who believes Jesus died for him. What a fool.

The guy is a professional liar for jesus.

solite3:
so the only things you know are those you see, smell, hear or touch? Not different from beasts.
Psalms 32:9 Be ye not as the horse, or as the mule, which have no understanding: whose mouth must be held in with bit and bridle, lest they come near unto thee.

Tell me one thing you know that you can't see, touch, smell and hear.

I await your "sensible" reply

Butterflyleo:
Lmao for the umpteenth time. John saw the future which was why he was able to write REVELATIONS . This face of God in that context is his creation or future creation/events as outlined by him and not his literal face.

When Isaiah said he saw the lord in Isaiah 6:1 did he say he saw the literal face of God? Context is all there is. One place talks of his goodness and the other talks of a literal figure on a throne but not his face.

If you say there are so many other explanations that is used to explain away those verses kindly list them here Mr ignorant liar. Drop the SO MANY other explanations here let's see

You are such an ignorant dummy for sure.

Isaiah clearly said the glory of God was his creation and that was why I put the scripture there for you.

I am still waiting for you to tell me what God meant when he said I WILL CAUSE ALL MY GOODNESS TO PASS BEFORE YOU. And to tell me what this ALL MY GOODNESS was.

You really need to stop spitting your usual nonsense everywhere in deep ignorance.

Lol.....you are going to be shamed soon for your fake time travel interpretation

winner01:
Okay. May God help them.

Winner01, is this you?

I can't believe that you agree that these people are not right. Nice one

dalaman:
He is a usless remixer. His God's back parts are now the past while his face is now the future. Despite his God saying that no man cam see his face and live he still said John daw his face. See how he is remixing things uselessly.

If you don't know, I am enjoying and bookmarking that comment of his.

He will still change mouth and say that it means another thing.

I have read debates about seeing God and I have never come across butterflyleo's time-travel interpretation before.

Cc butterflyleo, winner01, emmanystone, felixomor



Here is another slave mentality problem with black people and religion-

Ugandans had to employ a white/Arab looking guy to play Jesus on palm Sunday.

Butterflyleo:
Dummy!

Moses said he wanted to see Gods glory.

God instead said HE WILL CAUSE ALL HIS GOODNESS TO PASS BEFORE HIM BUT WILL ONLY ALLOW HIM TO SEE HIS BACK PARTS.

BACK PARTS OF WHAT? HIS GOODNESS

What is the goodness of God? His creation!

God showed moses all his might has created and this was how moses was able to write Genesis despite not being there.

This is why I keep telling you that you need his spirit to understand anything about God. You read scripture as a novel but forgetting that the inspirer of those words was spiritual.

Go and take several seats. You know nothing!

Exodus 33: 18-23



His hind parts is the past. His face is the future. Moses was only permitted to see into the past. John the one who wrote the book of revelations was now the one who saw the face (future).

see lies!

I hope you know that remixing the bible is a sin to remix the bible......

Butterflyleo:
Do you see how foolish you are. You said people have WISED UP and you are being corrected and instead of taking it you are claiming right by saying WISE UP is a British slang.

Was it WISE UP YOU SAID OR WISED UP?

Your English is foolish and so are you. Wise up is a slang but WISED up is not even a word. Its either you say HAVE BECOME WISE or you say WISENED UP!

This is why you will never know anything. Olodo atheist!

The correct past tense is "wised up" in the Cambridge dictionary.


See how you fool yourself?

Butterflyleo:
At the bolded is why you will remain a móron. God is a spirit so when the bible says he created us in his image it meant SPIRITUAL QUALITIES and not physical.

The bible says in John 3:6



This is why as Christians we say we are a spirit who has a soul and resides in a body. This body is not the real us. It is simply a temporary vessel. The real us emerges when this body becomes no more. So for us to have communication with God it is a spiritual exercise which is what we truly are but a natural or carnal man such as you, who does not have his spirit cannot understand the things of the spirit because you do not have the tool for this understanding.

So wait. God, has no physical side to himself?

So when his backside was seen by Moses what was it? Spiritual?

Clown that doesn't even know the God of his religion.

Butterflyleo:
Being a móron such as you are those not mean you have to infect others with it. God IS A SPIRIT. I hope you realise the import of the word spirit.

Yet you expect to have. a relationship with God through taste, smell, hearing or touch without realising that to achieve a relationship with God you would FIRST need his spirit aka holy spirit to give you enablement.

Why you never think at all is always surprising to me.

And oga there is no word such as "wised up" it is "have become wise". Atheist Olodo!

"Wise up" is actually a British slang that now officially entered the dictionary.

Ogbeni, stop using an outdated dictionary. When there is Google.



You shouldn't call people foolish when you are the biggest fool in the section.

Also, God is more than a spirit. I mean, if he created us in his image, he must have a physical side to himself. Use your brain.



DON'T FORGET TO TELL US HOW YOU INTERACT WOTH YOUR GOD