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[quote author=Atheist:-D]I was kidding. I have never witnessed such. I just wanted to highlight where the religious angle fails with some people. it is not great if there is not appropriate reason but I believe we should judge. i am against women being pressured into it. But if they are steely and determined what choice is available? A backdoor means that could harm her? Taking dodgy medication that could harm her? Maybe going ahead and then dumping the child at birth? I dunno. These things need to be looked at. It is not black or white, it is gray with all sides having some strong points.




This is good. So sweetchecks, what do you recommend? Bear in mind the almajiris in the North being recruited by Boko haram and the many orphaned children turned touts and armed robbers. If the child ha a low chance of a proper support it is important to take that into account for decisions.[/quote]Quite correct! What I am saying we need to look at the laws of supply and demand. At the moment there has been lots of stories about kids being sold and teenagers kidnapped to be used as incubators. What that means to me is there is a need hence the crime in trying to supply it. The major problem in Africa is the stigmaassociated with those who cannot carry their own children if this was not the case and adoption was done above board within the law, adoption is still a best option in Africa.

booqee: [b][color=#000099] gbam!


but @op, imagine this, a POOR young girl was raped by several men, and eventually got pregnant. And she came to you for advice, on whether to abort it or not, knowing fully well dat she not okay financially?? Would you advise her to keep the child to grow up as a bastard, who would never know his real father or to keep the pregnancy. I know abortion is wrong..but unfortunately some reasons

In actual fact,there are less abortions done that are as a result of molestation than other reasons. In Africa there where about 29 million induced abortions done in 2008. Are trying to say these could be as result of molestation? That would mean African man need castration.

http://www.infoplease.com/science/health/global-abortion-rates.html

bennyraz: no woman has asked me to sleep with her jare.. (how serious) and you should stop the evevic theories. You talk about the problems, what we should do is find solution abi u no fit hold body cuz me i fit hold body o

Ok benny we are using as representative of guys but not you per se. However you seem to miss understand where this discussion is at. Problem = Abortion, Answer = Prevention, incl. Safe se**, Adoption or Forster care.

djeezy: i totally agree with you. The reason it can't be made a crime is because of the exception which ra..pe victims experience therefrom. If molestation becomes the only exception, which of course would be rare, you'll be perplexed at the high level which some people will abort and rely on the exception. It still baffles me, even in christianity, some justify abortion. In a criminal law class in the varsity, i argued about the challenge in the definition of a human being, i was made to believe law and morality are mutually exclusive, hence the dynamic of morality. To sum it all, religion alone cannot curb the high rate of abortion. People no longer fear God. If it's made a crime on the other hand without exception, there is no gainsaying that it'll create hardship. Allow the exception and many will abort and rely on it.

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You are right they substitute prevention and safe se** for arbortion becouse its a "freely"available option.

[quote author=Atheist:-D]So it is pre-marital sex that is the problem, not safe sex? We need better sex education classes. Imagine meeting a girl you harldy know and she has no problem going raw and isnt on any contraceptives... she doesnt even know her fertility cycle and has no idea when she is ovulating etc... how wont she get pregnant



I have a very sad tale about such stuff. I am not against abortion but I have witnessed it myself. It is a truly painful and cruel deed. i curse the person that aborted my baby... WHY GOD.... WHY DID YOU ABORT MY BABY WITH MULTIPLE MISCARRIAGES.[/quote]Atheist -D you are so right bro, a lot of education is needed to both males and female. Am sorry about your experience, hope the pic does not make it worse. Humans are the most vicious animals on the planet, we even kill our defenceless young before they are born with no guilt. Its a shame! And people start blaming God when they cannot get kids when they want them after doing these.

bennyraz: so males should be castrated abi? if it is an ongoing stuggle for women then i think women should be encouraged to say no to pre-marital sex!!! The two major factors here are pre-marital sex and Rape! if the Nigerian Government can make more stringent laws on the issue of rape, then it would be good for our country! the other factor is Pre-marital sex! and the solution is, if most women are contented with what they have and not looking up to a man to always foot their bills then pre-marital sex will reduce!! for a man, it's give and take! if a woman is independent then i see know reason why she would fall into the trap some men lay

@ Benny lets stop pointing solutions out there, you are the solution. Why dont you say no to women who want sleep with you? Lets stop the Adamic excuse, "its the woman you gave me" its old and exhausted joor.

[quote author=Atheist:-D]Yuuuuck. I never looked like that

It looks like something they found at Roswell [/quote]Actually, this is majorly for guys so you should look and look hard enough so that if you happen to make a girl you do not like pregnant or someone you did not plan to marry, you will think twice before pressuring her to do an abortion as an option for you to get rid of her.

djeezy: @op, biblically it is wrong, consequently a sin but in law pursuant to our criminal code it is not a crime/murder. In the definition of a human being, the CC did not envisage the foetus. In my own opinion, it should be incorporated in our domestic law and made a crime apropos to same sex marriage. But forsooth some abortions are deemed to be "necessary evils" e.g a girl who got gang raped by brutal armed robbers may suffice to shed more light. Furthermore, nice thread.

Thanks djeezy. I agree but unfortunately democracy come with its evil, thus it would be tough to make it law in some countries. You know sometime choice is problem when one has enjoyed an evening of fun with boyfriend or girlfriend, one should always know there is a possibility of this happening thus abortion should not be an option. Now excluding cases of molestation.
Becouse I do not think the majority of abortions carried out are by molestation victims any where in the world but its usually school girls and you ladies who after a night fun regretsone thing or the other.

bennyraz: yea.. if the reasons are valid, it makes them right! and if the burden is only on the female alone, i understand that.. and i share your pain. You awareness should focus on preventive measures

Its not my pain its a ongoing struggle for women. Most women when interviewed do not want to do abortion but are pressured by their male counter parts.

If one gets pregnant the preventative measures have already failed and it happens same as with abortion there valid reasons given, mistake, forgetfullness, condom burst etc all valid as they do happen. BUT at this stage the focus is all having failed as a result of whatever reason and being in the situation at that moment what next!

Cusubaba: Honestly, something is wrong in ur life. Did ur father rape u again today? Mandela faught against Apartheid in South africa not Nigeria or anyother Africa country. Yes Nelson Mandela can be a hero to South africans, like Kwame Nkrumah is a hero to Ghanaians and Jomo Kenyatta is a hero to Kenyans but they are not heroes to me. My heroes are Nigeria fore-fathers who faught for Nigeria independence i.e Nnamdi Azikiwe, Ahmadu Bello, Tafa Balewa, Obafemi Awolowo, Micheal Enahero, Habart Marcurly etc.

I am sure you are smoking your gran's toe nails . Where did I nclude Nigerians or any Africans in my post? What exactly are you getting your underwear in a knot about? I will let this pass couse I trully believe you are a Yaba left patient who missed his tablets. The only explanation i can give.

By the way Nkwame Nkruma is an African hero without him the OAU might have not have been realised.

bennyraz: so how do you stop abortion especially in the case of unwanted pregnancy as a result of rape! you don't tackle the problem from the leaf, you tackle it from the root

As I have said Benny the reasons are always valid but it does not makem right! If one can live with doing it, then its upto her&him. But the challenge is that most of the time the burden is carried by the females as guys soon after that forget. But the woman has to live with it forever.

I think they should try giving the foetus to guys to burry after the act. To make sure the burden is shared becouse as it is, guys never get to be part of the experiance. True? I might
be wrong.

bennyraz: help stop pre-marital sex!help stop rape! then there will be no abortion

We can not help there becouse no one is getting murdered in cold blood. Imagine the steel rod or whatever is used in the abortion process, squashing the head of this foetus. Is that not unnecessary slaughter of the innocent?

I have a friend who was a succesful doctor running his own clinic. He one day out of the blue decided to abandon being a medical doctor, to date he is still unemployed and just runs small projects here and there. As a result of post traumatic stress from carrying out the abortions. It coursed him so much trauma he wants nothing to do with medicine. He now campaigns against abortions. It makes one think.

But its a choice nevertherless!

Get well soon Tata, God willing. We know you are old but will never get enough of your presence among us. You are a great Father to our Nation hence it is difficult to let you go. But may God who knows best do according to your heart's desires. We love you too much to let you suffer. So may God help us help you do what is best for you.

As Africans we love and treasure our elders that is why do not send them to old age homes and do not give up on them that easily. Getting old does not mean you stop being alive or having aspiration to continue to live. We will do everything in our power as long as God has not said it is the end off your road to help live and die in dignity!

You are not a burden to us like some heartless people feel your burden miles away. Taking care of you is a blessing on its own that the whole country of SA does with such diligence. We know God has the last word and willingly submit you to His will for
your life.

Enkosi Madiba,
Sophitsho,
Velabambentsele,
Prince of the Thembu's,
Son of the soil
Madiba O'mde!
Dankie
Thank you!

NKOSI SIKELELA IAFRIKA'

murimoney: will u just die n REST IN PEACE.

mandela 2day Mandela 2morrow

He might just outlive you carefull bro! You do not even have access to good medical treatment.

otijah: Hi ancestors are truly disturbing him. Maybe he shuld just go and join them, and stop wasting the country's money on his dying health

Taking panado for another man's head ache, thats what Nigerians say? Exactly what you are doing. Did we complain about his medical bill? Just keep quite if you have nothing intelligent to say!.

Ojeremi: HIV AIDS plenty for south Africa. I hope baba don get am 2 or the enemy is at work again

Uyanya straight! Masipa mawu!

Excuses are made to do abortion and most of the time they are valid reasons to do so but they are never right. A foetus at medically allowed stages to abort is already a human being. Just a picture to remind us of the action.

HELP STOP ABORTION, IT IS MURDER!

Idowuogbo: *blushing*

Now I'm calm...

u want egusi soup?

Nothing but love, girl!

Idowuogbo: Haaa! See as dis babe dey contradict herself, eeeemm... U no u voted Nadia cus she hails from ya side, so ex ur principle BS joor! Mrs ten different mouth. We can read between the lines o! Na2day?

Hush girl insults are not going to get you anywhere I am free to agree or disagree with anyone. Get it! Now be civil we know you are somekind of celebrity on NL.

And by the way its all good, am not disputing Lupeys win or anything she deserved it. I also voted for her in all the semis. Calm down,missy. Dont get your panties or a knot now.

[quote author=nadia_SA]I can try hey..coz some wanted to vote but weren't able to.. If dey interested they'll come.. But u no some sections are'nt friendly for south african especially us women (we all have hiv/Aids in some ppls eyes cheiiii) so I'm not really sure if they should come on here.. But I'll let them decide okEy..[/quote]I truely do not think its a good idea unless you bring more mature minds. Many of us are here becoude of our commitments to Nigerians and are not planning to go anywhere. We fight get angry and be rude to some extent but would not be the same to people who have nothing to gain or loose. You see our friends will further judge us for having foreign man if they could be exposed to some of the discussions. I would be carefull if I were you, you do not wanr to further promote negetive sentiments. My two cents!

[quote author=luvable sam][/quote]Am beggining to love NL, atleast we must be honest at times. Thank you jare!

n0m0705: Sorry to say this, you are the perfect definition of everything that is wrong with Nigeria. So because they are friend, she should vote her as miss nairaland even when it is obvious she is not, the fact that she made the top 5 is something I still can't accept, and coming out as the 1st runner up ahead of the other 3 is baffling. So if anyone has to complain it shouldn't be her or her team.
Ada, please no offense, I just can't stomach the trash this guy is spewing.

You so right! 100% agree on the principle.

[quote author=nadia_SA]idowu was already rooting for another contest .. I don't like drama that's y I said he should leave her ..so whatever way u take it its all good with me.. Reality my inlaw nd he knows I wasn't being serious cause we do talk much even before contest.. The other posts u quoted angazi ..[/quote]True girl, no appologies we are all an equal footing here as members of NL it does not matter who or from where the platform was originated once its on the web its public domain period. Anyone who is pained needs deliverence. Kwaaaaa!

shizzle11: On that of Reality, I saw it. Dude was kinda trying to take it to another level and he asked her to e-mail him first, dafuq? Who does that. That prompted her response. You're a lady, u know what I'm talking about.

On the first case, babe, are you telling me you've never had an argument or gotten angry at someone on NL before?. She obviously was arguing with someone on something and infact she also said, ....its just for fun. C'mon, if having and argument or getting angry is termed being rude, then we all including yourself are rude

Thanks jare you showed true sportmanship, hope we all can learn one thing or two from you. Great campagn. I salute ya!

swtxt: u got that right... when this miss nl thingy began, I said to my self "this sa chick gonna win this shit" bt inasmuch as I was rooting for her, I decided to go tru her posts then I was like "damn, chick kinda rude" so I kinda stopped wishing she'd win...
Then along came lupey and I tot she was defo beautiful, went tru her post and fell in luv wif her personality and I think that's one reason I voted her.
facial beauty has never been an achievment cos u were created with it. A killer shape to an extent too... To me, its all about your personality because at the end of the day, that's one of the things u have totall control over...
Nadia love, its nt about u being from S.A trust me, U are very beautiful and only a blinf man can say otherwise but in life as u ve probably learnt, beauty can only get u so far...
keep being beautiful

So everyone else is allowed to speak their mind but becouse she is from SA when insulted she must keep quiet and say thank you mam or sir? So sorry to disappoint you in Mzantsi, it does not work that way. The more you are not a walk over the more strength you show.

Unlike you she got an amazing support from people she was fighting with. Her campaign managers where actuallu the same people she was fighting with in those threads you dug up in case you failed to notice, that showed amazing maturity and sportmanship. You on the other side keep leveling scores!

dasparrow: Please go and sit down. The travel warnings were for certain states within the federation. Always read and comprehend a thread before posting. Besides, if you hate Nigerians so much, you should not be on a Nigerian forum interacting with the same set of people you so despise. Don't you think?

How old are you? I am sure you are two. You are not suppose to be on an adult forum.And those certain states are in England, I suppose not Nigeria. You are the one who seem to have no ability whatsoever to comprehend. AND Why is it that when someone state facts the likes of you will quickly attribute that to hate? Have I ever used the word "hate" in this forum? Only you people say all the time you hate SAns and we have never returned that favour becouse there is nothing that we can hate you for. Got it, toddler! You people need to get off the self pitty trip and being crying babies or you will never grow to make a positive impact in this world. Take criticism as yard stick to get better. Your rantings " they hate us" and "they jealous of us" are really old and tired. Word!

[size=18pt]CONGRATS TO LUPEY, ADOABI, NADIA, GRAISE & SLICKCHIC. WELL DONE LADIES, YOU ARE ALL TRIPPLE B'S ( BEAUTIFUL, BRAINY AND VERY BRAVE!)

#TEAM NADIA YOU ARE AMAZING, THANK YOU!

#NADIA -SA YOU ARE ADORABLE LIL' LADY, YOUNG & GENTLE BUT WITH THE STRENGTH OF AN ELEPHANT.
WELL DONE!

MUCH LOVE BABY GIRL

SINCE NO GUY HAS OFFERED RED ROSES, PLEASE LADIES ACCEPT YELLOW ROSES FROM ME, ENJOY! [/size]

[quote author=dd_jay]yes and dats wat airtel is doing (infact d 1st telelcom) most of the foreigners are managers and d number is reducingwhile naija abt 99%,no wonder dey pay d lowest.bt we tnk God 4 bin nigerians na,d most important tin is employment creatn, dats all, and notin follows,job hazard care and compensation,security (if under attack),job benefits (company product benefits for staff) etc are nt important,jst create or produce employment dats all.dis companies are making money piple and dia countries are enjoying d tax (GNP) if u doubt me,shut mtn down and jacob zuma will b in naija same day even b4 u do say it,same goes to oda foreign companies.if u can rememba boni
yayi of benin republic was in abuja wen obj closed seme
border.simple tin is pay well.someone once said ''a small scale
industry has less dan 20 workers and has d protection govt''
fine and good,bt wen u hear mtn having dat amount of
workers because the rest av bin outsourced to dealers and
contractors,mayb u will understand beta.[/quote]What the hell are you on about?

Billyonaire: Hope you pay the Nigerians the same remunerations you offered the Foreigners. Anything less will be unacceptable by me, my Nigerians are not second fiddle. We are a golden pacesetters. Ask Dangote, a potential world richest human.

For your monikers sake show some little, tiny business savvyness. Why would you incentivise locals the same way as exparts? Being a billyonaire is as distant as earth is to the sun to you.

JideTheBlogger: Hahaha..

The coy simply wants to reduce cost by employing Nigerians they can be paying peanuts.

You people just love to complain. MTN has set the foundation and exparts are expensive as they are paid in their country of origin's currency plus incentive for leaving their place of origin. In Naija it includes body guards, transport ( chauffering, power, phone calls and travell allowances. And it shows more commitment to train locals to run their business enlarging the employment pool in the host country. Exparts always have an end of contract dates as they cannot leave their countries of origin for ever. They are there just to train and set up.

[quote author=gree-die]Nadia is as real as she is innocent and cuddly.....[/quote]Isn't she just the most sweetest, cute and cuddly thing you have ever seen? Ncoooooh!

I VOTE FOR NADIA!

with love!

#Sweetcheecks