₦airaland Forum

Normality:
Before ISIS came on board, why was Sunni and Shi'a Muslims killing each other?

Why was Taliban attacking moderate Muslims?


Nawa o.

Taliban/radical Muslims are politics. It's all world politics. The Arab world trying to gain control of the world using Islam as cover-up.

X3n:
why does ISIS kill muslims? All these conspiracy theories will only divide us further.

They're not Islamic. Islam is just a cover up. Any real Islamic group will follow the basic tenets of Islam. Chief among these tenets is obeying the rules of ramaddan.

Mynd44:
*side-eyes her to my bedroom*

bukster:
And ISIS is!? You're not helping the Islam is a reliogon of peace argument with this. ISIS was the one who called for renewed terror this Ramadan and since BH is now the west African arm of ISIS, it obeyed. ISIS has also taken responsibility for the Tunisia Beach attack last week that killed almost 40 foreigners.
BH and ISIS may not be Muslims but they are using Islamic teachings to justify their actions. They're attracting misguided youths by making them believe that their actions are somehow part of a noble religious cause. They attack other religions specifically and force them to convert to Islam or be killed. They attack and try to assassinate Muslim clerics that preach peace between all Muslims.
Boko Haram and ISIS may not represent the beliefs of a majority of Muslims but it is still a sect of the Islamic religion. One that is very dangerous and needs to be stopped. The sooner other Muslims accept responsibility for the creation of these two groups, the faster they can be stopped.

then that simply means ISIS in not islamic group but just using Islam as cover up. Simples!

Mynd44:
This back and forth is not sexy at all.

You too honey.
We are saying the same thing basically. Maybe you just hate that I am being more suave here?

Mynd44:
In this same post you said people can use religion (in this case Islam) as cover up for terrorism.

Now imagine a deluded idiot somewhere who believes his religion asks him to kill or he has to kill to prove his worth and that person comes in contact with a guy who has a shipment of illegally gotten weapons he wants to sell.

Where is the political gain here? You need to think beyond the usual scope and think economics for a while.

1. The deluded i.diot knows he cannot shed blood during Ramaddan. We are talking about Nigeria's BH. Please don't forget that.

2. The guy selling weapons who is he? Most likely a foreigner right? (world politics to make money off sensitive countries)

Mynd44:
Look I am not saying BH are Muslims or backed by Islam but they can easily use Islam as an excuse to cause terror.

My point is that we need to see BH beyond politics and religion.

Honey, your first line is exactly what I am saying here. Islam is the cover up for BH.

Lol. beyond politics and religion? You not talking like the Mynd I know! Please what else do terrorists want apart from power or religious coercion which all boils down to power anyway?

Mynd44:
I said they might be sponsored by politicians. Politicians are not the only ones who can gain from terrorism, in Liberia and Serria Leone the politicians thought they were the ones gaining but it was really the mining companies.

It is all about vested interests. Someone feels he is angry with the state and someone finds that he can be used. There is a whole lot of money involved in terrorism, top on the list are the arms suppliers.

It is not only politicians.

Ok not only politicians, but in this case where we cannot see core Islamic brotherhood concepts here, it is politics. Pure undiluted politics.

Mynd44:
When people who are blinded by some dumb religious reason join forces with people who just want to sell guns and drugs, you will find the most brutal and savage news known to man

Honey Muslims WILL NOT bomb other muslims, not even Christians during ramaddan. They don't shed blood during ramaddan. Ramaddan is the most holy of holies time for Muslims. For instance look at terrorism in the world as a whole, how many times has ISIL abi ISIS struck since ramaddan?
These beasts, BH, are NOT Muslims.

Mynd44:
How many Christians has ISIL killed in relation to Muslims? How many people has the LRA killed?

Terror is their business and job description and your being Muslim or Christians does not matter.

Mynd dear. We are talking about BH now and the Nigerian situation. Not ISIL.
Then again you have reinstated that terrorists are sponsored by politicians. It could be world or country politics.

shachris:
you are So not making any sense. Boko Haram is more political than anything. Why else would a Muslim bomb a mosque? Why else would a Muslim kill his fellow Muslim?

Exactly. It's all P O L I T I C S

Mynd44:
Sponsors are not political parties. Politicians want money and power not terrorized people.

Those who sponsor terror are fundamentalists, sometimes conservationists, people who sell arms, businessmen and general mad people.

Now these people might belong to a political party but that is not the role of the party. It is just like saying because some Yoruba boys break hearts, all Yoruba boys want to do is to break hearts.

For all we know the sponsors of BH are within the PDP and APC. As long as they gain what they want, they don't mind.

This was the mistake the past administration made by saying it was a political party and some countries outside Nigeria that is behind BH to discredit them. Don't make that same mistake

We are saying the same thing.

Fundamentalists you say? What kind of fundamentalists? What exactly are they fighting for in the case of BH?

@ the bold, you have said exactly what I'm trying to say on this thread.

obailala:
The moment Nigerians will start seeing bokoharam as a terror organisation that is out there to steal, kill and destroy, the better for us all. But it is obvious the brain of a Nigerian is only configured to see things as politics and that is very unfortunate.

This was the exact mistake the past administration made; assuming and believing that bokoharam was politics by APC. While they continued to delude themselves that it was all politics, the terrorist group continued to grow from strength to strength.

Now some people have still not learnt from that experience. The typical Nigerian only myopically sees things from the microscopic prism of politics.

Terror organization from where? Terrorists don't just wake up one morning and start wearing bombs do they?

Sorry I meant Arab world not western.

Mynd44:
All these conspiracy theorists won't allow us rest again.

BH is a terrorist group. Terror is their business. No political party needs to be behind them as they are capable of terror on their own.

Keep your bullshìt party fights for election time, it is darned boring

Terrorists have sponsors remember?

Since May 29th, there has been an increase in attacks. Have you also noticed that BH usually do not strike during Ramaddan? But this ramaddan hardly a day has gone by without an attack even in mosques! (I’m sure this has removed any doubt about BH being an Islamic agenda because it should be clear to all now that it is pure politics)
Let me explain why I believe this BH thing is either a PDP project or an Arab thing.
During PDP rule, PDP kept on blaming attacks on APC, stating that they want to “sabotage their government” there was a deliberate attempt to blame northerners, and make Christians hate Muslims. I remember so well how they did this wrecking havoc and discord in the minds of gullible Nigerians.
Fast forward to APC rule, PDP is now saying that we will beg them to return. Please what the hell is that supposed to mean? What arrogance! Look at NL for instance; we can see I-regret-voting-Buhari inducing threads all over the place. Never mind that this started right from the first week of Buhari’s take over which is totally unrealistic no matter how and where you look at it. I'm also thinking that GEJ's Facebook remark on BH was also Is there a calculated attempt to make Nigerians "aww and eh yaa" that he's such a sweet man that we threw away. Definitely they are trying to make Nigerians regret voting APC and some gullible peeps will fall for this. Let’s never ever forget the Azizi “BH is PDP” saga just before the mysterious helicopter crash.
The only other suspect here is the Arab world, although I won’t be surprised if they are not directly involved. My main suspects are PDP and the traitors in the APC.

I give kudos to APC for not playing the blame game so far even though they inherited this mess from PDP. Instead, Buhari has taken responsibility and promised solution. Unlike PDP/GEJ who kept on blaming everything and everyone until the last weeks to the elections.

From what I have observed so far, BH is either a PDP project or an Arab world project.

Nigerians? Or you mean GEJiets?
I see there seems to be a desperate calculated effort by some quarters to make us "regret" voting out GEJ.

Well e no go work. I voted Buhari/APC and I am VERY sure I will not regret it.

Those of you who accused Buhari and APC of sponsoring BH to sabotage Jonathan's govt what theory have you been able to come up with now?
Perhaps PDP is now sabotaging Buhari and Apc?