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@wiegraf:

by wiegraf: 4:52am On Dec 03

Sweetnecta:
By the way, as an atheist, you have done a poor job because you have not convinced anyone to leave any religion to follow your religion, which you call "no religion". You have not convinced me or anyone who believes the existence of God that there is no God.


Not me this is directed at, I know, but I'll just point something out for the sake of clarity (and it irks me a fair bit tbh). This again....

This isn't some competition. I wouldn't go around assuming atheists are trying to convert you, or anyone else for that matter. Why should we care? Whatever belief or disbeliefs you harbor about allah, or Pikkiwoki, or whatever, that's your business, not ours. We'd like for you to reciprocate, that's it. Don't introduce religion into say politics, or your working environments, laws etc. Try not to be a bigot, be tolerant, etc. You are not the only people on this planet, and your claims to some sort of superiority are usually risibly tenuous. Either ways, regardless of the validity of your claims, you are not justified in any way or form to dictate how another man lives his life so long as he is not infringing on your rights. That's what I assume most atheists care about.

disingenuous statement. if my my way is religion to you. your way which is includes you denying my way, setting up rules for me so that i must be silent when you want me to is also a religion in my own view. when you deny me my right of expression and evidential belief, that is oppression. oppression is worse than killing.

by Logicboy03(m): 8:07am On Dec 03
1) How can it not be permissible to suspect in islam but taquiyyah is?

taquiyyah is not islamic. what is Islamic is in the Quran and Sunnah of The Messenger [sa]. Tell me about taquiyya in Quran or Sunnah. When yo give up, you will finally realize that it is not islamic.

2) Abdulsleek could also be short for "Abdul Saleek". As for you name "sweetnecta", it makes you sound like a gay muslim.

Saleek? Abdl is Servant/Slave. What is saleek? sweetnecta is instead of sealed nectar, which is a description of the holy prophet [sa]. there is no sugar in my blood. you know i am not some sweet boy of the british extraction. this is 100% prime nigerian male. we dont do on the down low.

3) Surely, a grown man doesnt need guidance unless he is a manchild! An overgrown baby!

unless you know everything, every time. that will be impossible. you need guidance. you just shown that you truly need guidance because you do not even recognize the truth.

4) Your whole comment makes one disgusting point; a muslim can never question islam and leave islam.

muslims question islam, all the time. the reason we have questions answered. people leave Islam. we just pray that whoever left to return and whoever has not entered it, to do before death comes. or you believe you will live forever?

How shameful. So, if Idont fast and do salah for sometime, I wuld become less muslim?

if you deny the importance ot salah, fast or any of the commandments, that is different from being neglectful. one is abrogating, the other is mere laziness.

However, the corrupt Nigerian governors in the north are real muslims?

islam does not depend on anyone. but everyone should evaluate himself by how committed he is to islam. the nigerian governors and each person bears his own responsibility and the consequence of doing good by mr. A. will not be transferred to mr. B. or his evil transferred. by the way, there are muslims in the south south where you come from.

advocate666: 9:22am On Dec 03
Muslims wish their mamas were like kim kadashian.

no muslim wants his woman to have the open door policy of kim kadashian. not even that of her mother, chris's. you're the ind of man who hump back whale anything? sorry o.

@Image123: it seems as if you forget that obedience is to God is a way forward to "salvation". When a Master leaves instructions to servants, the ones who obey by following the instruction will have the chance of being pleased by the Master. Those who don't will not find comfort so easily and readily.
Man does play a role in how God views him, because God has presented plainly how to seek His Face.

@Nuclearboy: People who wake up do not necessarily have to stand up. A crippled, Amputee cant. Your argument is very deficient.

@BigBashiru: If you are a christian, please change your name from Bashiru. If you are a muslim, I wonder what is the bottom line of your thread since you seem to be talking about blasphemy, etc?

is this the way to talk to an elder?

did you read what i wrote as my observation of abdulsleek? i said it is not permissible to suspect in Islam. if you suspect, you ask God to erase it from your heart while you are seeking forgiveness. it is not to suspect that made me even post on that thread. poor knowledge of religion was written all over you, from not making the daily salah to not fasting in the month of ramadhan told every one of us that we have a fraud on the prowl; a wolf in sheep clothing, a hyena pretending not to know how to laugh. you want me to continue? i can keep you up all night and deprive you of the needed rest.

there is no muslim who is happy that his mama is like kim kadashian. but that is what you made momma abdulsleek. even the name sleek was disgusting. i asked myself: how can a muslim call himself abdulsleek? i counted it as part of the hypocrisy of those we call abdudollar instead of Abdullah. they say they are muslims, but would do anything for the sake of dollar.

abdulsleek like discarded diesel oil. it is not only sleeky. it smells and dirty, too. how do you like your color now? good night because you need it.

by the way who is closer to guidance between the those who say there is God and those who say there is not?

Think of something that you cant think of?

name something that has no name?

3) Islam is strict with rules, therefore, many Nairaland muslims are predictable; This was how I was able to convince maclatunji, LagosShia, Sweetnecta, Vedacool and co that I was a muslim. All I had to do was say "salaam" and start reciting the Islamic mantra;

Islamic mantra of the modern day
-Westerners (non muslim) dont understand islam
-The non-muslims in the west are oppressors (oppresors in my place of work)
-Capitalist western comapanies invest and engage in riba etc
-Westerners (non-muslims) want to have premarital sex with women, even muslim women who are not allowed
-The westerners dont understand the limits of freedom of speech and blaspheme against the prophet etc

I have to say that I am not a westerner and I do not support some of their policies but I used the animosity towards the west to cover my tracks. The rules or laws in Islam that I understood perfectly were Riba, pre-marital sex prohibition and the islamic "attitude" to blasphemy.

if you thought you convinced all of us, it was your own opinion and definitely not the reality.

First, islam frowns on suspicion of anyone. If a person says he is a muslim, you must believe him and leave the truth of his statement for Allah to decide.

Further, the truth shall be revealed sometime within the process of conversation.


The situation with you is that your truth came so quickly when you began to side with disbelief so much so that you said your mom is a 44 year old woman, already divorced and now running around with a white christian man. If that didn't give you away, when you said that you the son of this 44 year old mother is now the financier of your niece's college education and dont care who she sleeps with. i knew right there an then that there is no islam in you.

you confirmed it to me when you said you were gulping down some glasses of brew[skie] and nigerian independence is a day for you to get wasted.

All in all, my participation in your charade was the same reason a christian tries to win a soul. We all saw you as a lost soul and we thought there is a way for us to get this prodigal son to become member of the family, again.


sincerely, i remembered being a mosque once and seeing how a brother ran to call back a brother that he felt he might have offended. he was eager to apologize so that if the man were to walk away, it would not be on his account.


no muslim wants to see a person in misguidance. Sincerely, you didnt fool anyone. You knew from the onset that you were fooling yourself. And no one lost any sleep about it.

By the way, as an atheist, you have done a poor job because you have not convinced anyone to leave any religion to follow your religion, which you call "no religion". You have not convinced me or anyone who believes the existence of God that there is no God.

^^^ Saint Paris and others: Islam is my religion. It is what my fore fathers practiced. My grand father. His father. And maybe even more fore fathers than what i listed.

We have christians in my family, including my own siblings.


I am muslim and Islam is me. I am a nigerian. a yoruba. a man.

Why are you people tagging Islam with what some segments from it did, especially when it is not what islam teaches?
Can you show me where it says muslims can kill anyone in their places or Queen Isabella and king Fernando did in Spain?
Have you read me say all christians are guilty of the crusades from Europe that killed so many muslims? Have you heard me say all christians are responsible for the "CRUSADE" of King George Bush?


Are all christians responsile for the colonization, oppressions of muslims communities in the years of colonization?


Is the muslim blaming the ills of any christian on Christianity?


My religion is pure and i am at peace in it. In fact, we can not blame the Hausa/Fulani for the ills of a few of them. If there is a single hausa/fulani muslim who is against Boko Haram or not part of them, we must know that the Boko Haramites are to be blamed, not Islam or innocent muslims.


I feel sad that man does evil to another man. May God soften our hearts and not make it hard like the heart of Pharaoh of Prophet Moses [as]. Amin.


From God we came. To Him is our return. May God strengthen the people who lost their loved ones to be able to deal with the tragedy. Amin.

@Nakash:

by nakash: 12:41pm On Dec 01
And muslim apologists here say that islam is a peaceful religion that allows the diverse faiths to coexist in peace . Halleluya Amen.but with a caveat. Dont critic the violent teachings of the prophet if you want peace lest you incite the muslims to get into a murderous rage.

Quran itself and the example of the prophet [sa] have proven you wrong. Surah Kafiruun says to you is your way, to me is mine pointing out to you, definitely me that we can all co exist. Muhammad [sa] demonstrated the coexistence ability of Islam by the fact that in Madina, there were non Muslims living in her not while the muslim community was weak, but when Muhammad [sa] was the king, and definitely could have been the Judge, jury and executioner.

What an Imam or even a country or the whole muslim does is irrelevant, if it is different from Islam in principle, then it is not Islam. It will will be similar to Oyedepo slapping a young woman because she is a winch. Or Paul of the Bible speaking in the Bible as if it is Jesus of the bible speaking in the bible. Or saying that protestant Bible is Catholic Bible. Can the Pope speak and we say it is Archbishop of Canterbury is speaking.



@Seyibrown:

by seyibrown(f): 6:21pm On Dec 01
.... simply mind-boggling! Sentencing peole to death for saying how they feel about a dead man whose life-time character is questionable!

lets face it, many a christian nairalanders are using this medium as their booty call. I dont know a muslim who has done that. why dont the muslims, considering that we are all carrying the same nigerian hot blood?

The reason is that we in Islam are a guide for one another, following the sunnah and trying hard to imitate the prophet [sa]. As i have said to you before, if somebody of my age marries somebody in your age, people who are thinking like you will be lost in the reality of the morality. They will not notice that the most important thing is that there is a legal marriage. there is no illicit relationship in it. Other benefits include the fact that both husband and wife see each other as mercy from God, preventing the man and or the woman from being open to any illicit activity.


There are many benefits. But none of them you will see, but it is the age difference that you will focus on. Who says that after a man or woman reaches puberty he can not marry? if he or she can make babies, whats the headache? Aisha [RA] participated in writing her own marriage contract. I do not see a "not ready for marriage" participating in writing any marriage contract or prenuptial. If you think Aisha [RA] was not old enough, then she was a miracle in her ability to do what she should not have been able to do. It reminds me of what happened the Christian Holy Ghost and young Mary.


seyi will not complain about holy ghost because that will be blasphemy. I know. Muhammad [sa] was only a human being and he should be blamed for what you can not blame the holy ghost upon.

i often dont comment on politics and specifically in matters of tribes.
however, i will make an exception here because i am both yoruba and muslim.

i am old enough to remember years before the coup of January 15, 1966. the military men and if any woman were not seen, but maybe heard about if you are from families of influence or living near their barracks.

the yorubas, as much as i and others in my family starting from my father [ra] did not camp with Awolowo but Akintola when it comes to politics, yoruba, indeed the old western region which at that time included the old midwest had progress. progress based on their singular identity of one people within Nigeria. progress in free primary education. progress in economics based on Cocoa and others. to me, Yoruba could do better now without the oil and the saying that before the discovery of maize, the birds were eating something applies, always.

if the yorubas were not within the 75% in authority in Nigeria, but the igbos actually had the 75% choke hold on the population that is more than 60% only to control 25% of authority, why then the coup and why are you young igbo who got your stories from your fathers or grand fathers or even great grand fathers angry at the yorubas? people write history to fit their interest. the honest eyewitnesses are the one who could relate the story plainly.

my family as a who has not taken a single penny, even kobo from an igbo. we gave our sisters to them without asking for bride price since no female of ours is for sale. when we marry igbo women we make sure we act as husbands, responsible for all her needs, including what her people need.


if you have issue with awolowo, leave us the yorubas out of your grievances. I even wish to sue the Awolowo holdings and it is my older brothers who have been against this intention of mine. Akintola the last premier of the west didnt like him. so it is not like Awolowo is loved by every yoruba. same must apply to igbos when it comes to Azikwe and or Ojukwu, if we are sincere to ourselves.


As to islam. the north is not the owner of my religion and my great grand father practiced this very religion which must have been in my family for more than two hundred years now.


Today, the role of the yorubas is limited in the government. and when it comes to oil, all the so called engineers from all the nnpc documents that i have seen have been people outside the yoruba tribe. we may not need the oil because we may have ours soon. after all it is the land that contains the oil that continues to the west. if the east is blessed, since there is no biblical manifesto cursing the west, so can the yorubas.


I think the yorubas can do better without anything from anyone.

@saint paris:

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You see what am saying, you know of all this laws that supposedly protect women and you decide to keep quite and wait till someday? Till when? You know all this things but keep mute but when a non muslim points it out you start lecturing or are you lying to save face for Islam? If not what are you waiting for? Now you talk of fatherly figure how's that even possible when adoption is banned in islam? Yea well learned muslim here like Sweetnecta have told it's banned in Islam. So your idea of being a fatherly figure is already contradicted. Now what of the Sunnah of the Prophet? Did he marry any mother of orphaned? Why did he marry Aisha when he already had a wife sauda? Didn't he break this rule too when he married Zaynab and others like her? huh huh Good luck to whenever you feel like coming to the aid of muslim women.

nna. bia. biko. dont call me 'well learned'. muslim is sufficient. omo, abeg dont kobalize me. while adoption is severing the ties of bloodline, Islam does abolish it. Islam, however does not abolish foster parenting. In fact, Islam encourages all that is good in human relationship in every aspects of goodness.

I do have children who call me daddy and i stand as dad for. But i am not their dad. their father's name[s] are on the documents of each of them. i can do what i will do for my own blood children and do treat them just like that. i will not absorb their father's privileges that God has given them and hence forbids consuming these privileges.

and as for quick way to divorce, only a fool divorces a good spouse. I tend to see the good and ignore the not so good part or value of a person. I hope my spouse looks at what is good about me and ignores my many bad qualities.


@Usisky: is there anything called "Sunni religion"?

@Frosbel:

by frosbel(m): 7:19pm On Oct 13

Logicboy03: You can only run away from the truth for so long. Frosbel in his own words;






https://www.nairaland.com/1068988/god-truly-god-justice-then#12545219




So Frosble admits that God of the OT is involved in sadism?



OLODO grin

And you left out my follow up statement which goes :
Just to add that the Lake of Fire is for real, but it is the means to an end, and this end is the death of sinners and fallen angels including SATAN,

is the bold the second death for sinners, because many non sinners have already died? From the non sinners who already died are Ishmael, Isaac, Job, Zacharia and John to name a few. If there is a sinner among them, please point him out and state his sin. There is at least a non [Elisha], sinner who know didnt die on earth but whisked off to heaven in a whirl wind. There is a sinner [satan], we all know that is not dead yet and has witnessed death of any a non sinner. I have used your Bibles as proofs.

forever wiping out wickedness from this world and everything and anything that blights the beauty of GOD's universe and creation.

Read my article on the straw man's arguement, this is a very good example, you misrepresent my position and go on the attack based on mistruths.

Don't let me call you a LIAR, oh dear, I just called you one , lol.

by the bold, are you saying that at Judgment Day, the people who will be thrown into the lake where they will "die" [second death for humans who have died the first death that everyone will experience], this death being the true death? what is the first death that we all shall experience, then? whats the difference between the first death and the death that the sinners will have in the lake because of their sinfulness?

let me ask: Why the first death, especially that the sinless experienced it?
do the sinless feel pain in this first death?
do they really die?

Please try to answer these questions and i ask that anyone in christianity to support him in explaining to me these points. I will come back to read and if necessary ask follow up question[s].

^^^ The fellow who needs his head examined: These "Islamic Scholars" that you are raving about, using their tangential position as the reality of Islam, are similar to Biblical Paul who was so tangential to Jesus of the Bibles in Matters of Who God is and the relevance of the Laws and prophets before Jesus arrived to the prophetic office.

Muslim scholars can have their opinions and even Fatwas. We in Islam will examine it and if found to come within Quran and or Sunnah of the prophet [sa] as transmitted to us y the companions [ra] and the 2 generations that followed them [ra], we will not reject it outright. It may call for further critical analysis before totally embraced.

But the case of the other nations is different. Let me use the christians to illustrate my point. The tangential position of Paul become the Footing, Foundation, walls and window and roof of Christianity. What Jesus said becomes merely the site; ground, pathway and garden surrounding the house Paul built. This means that they colored and wrap something that does not work with attraction. A jewsih rabbi explained the condition of the christians in the following: If a King is kind to his subjects, how appropriate is it for the people to recognize and honor the king's palace hand more than the King
especially when the palace hand told the people that all power and privilege belong to The King? How will the King feel towards the people who ignored him, but came running towards the palace hand with song and dance, singing his praise, embracing him and prostrating to him, instead of the King?


The jews have their Rabbis instead of Paul and Moses is just a footnote.

@Adamo84:

by Adamo84(m): 12:34pm On Nov 29
This thread really got me Laughing and Rolling on the floor, Please let's continue this discussion eventhough its as old as 10month ago because I may have to choose a Religion to follow, the Xtians here are not convincing Me enough and My Elder Sister wants me to become a Xtian. I will make a choice if I get a convincing response to the Question. Thank you all in anticipation for more.

you should invite anti, your elder sister to this thread. she should help the christians on this thread.

i am certain, she herself does not have an answer. are your parents christians, too? if they are not, i wonder why anti is a christian and wants you to be one? if they are, i think they may also help here.

me personally pity the christians of nairaland, of the world, too. many a times, the muslims have offered themselves as possible converts to christianity if the christians could tell us from the 'maybe' lips of Jesus in the Bibles where Jesus said he is God or all sincere and true worship belongs to him or where he is the actual son of God without any doubt or even that any of the 4 gospels is the gospel Jesus preached or Jesus was sent to the world and not just his Jewish nations or he is the only way to God for mankind, starting from Adam onward. you see, we give plenty of opportunities and many ways for the christians and chrstianity from their Bibles to try to put out the Light of Islam, guiding mankind from darkness to Light, plainly. i know the christians like to say they are extension of judaism. Yet the jews reject them and their religion, calling them gentiles as they call us all. the christian calls muslims infidels. but both the jews and christians conveniently forget that God gave Guidance to Noah and he was neither Jew nor Christian. Many people have been leaders of guidance, guiding some from their communities while majority refused guidance. we have the same here, today. islam, the true guidance is less than 30% of the world population, making it a non majority. there is telling sign when the christians have not seized on any of these paths of opportunity to win souls of muslims for christ.

they cant even prove who the 'that prophet' is when neither Jesus nor his cousin John was. Yet this that prophet must come. So is the another comforter who would lead to all things, including what should be relevant till end of time of the things Jesus led to and what Jesus did not lead to because he was dealing with community of people with little faith, not sufficient to absorb all. it is this another comforter who will correct lies that will be prevalent upon his arrival to the guiding leadership. another comforter means there was at least one comforter before. what work does a comforter? what is the role of comforter?

another comforter who will hear The Speech of God and repeat it, not just report it, but literally repeat it, exactly. that cant be a ghost or unseen, but seen, a human since his audience are to be seen, humans.


Read the Quran. Invite anti when she and all christians fail to answer the very simple and direct question you asked. or is theirs an author of confusion, when they say God is not The Author of confusion? read the bibles and find out and why is there no single bible accepted to the who christian world? that should tell you something.

I pray to God who creates that you and anti will find true guidance. if parents are not muslims, they too. Amin.

@saint paris: deols is a muslim woman. she ought to know about the laws and rulings of muslim marriage and roles of muslim woman, at least better than you. you are not a muslim, even if you are a woman. and if you are not a woman, how on earth are you an expert on matters of muslim woman and muslim marriage more than a muslim woman who will be married or already married? if you need to know what islam calls husband to do, even the process of divorce, you need to consult the Quran and examples acceptable in the sunnah. such examples must agree with Quran, not against it.

by Saint paris: 9:36pm
Nah am not married. That a man is head of family does not mean he should act like a dictator.

a muslim who is a dictator is not acting accordance to the Quran or the least accepted in the examples in the sunnah. i know many muslim men who are not dictators. not like the donald trump's type of dictatorship. guliani, the former mayor of new york city announced his divorce to tv personality donna hanover, the mother of little andrew 'it shall be so', in a tv news conference. donna who lived in the same home with the mayor that same day heard about her own divorce at the same time as the rest of the world. he replaced her with a girlfriend. well. this is what christianity teaches, if you are saying over the phone or by texting is what islam calls men to divorce their wives by?

Pushing responsibility solely to the woman is irresponsible is wrong, it has to shared.

almost all wealthy christian males throw the whole responsibility of raising children and keeping the homes to their children.

And for to say a rich woman doesn't have to spend a dime in her family is equally wrong.

equally wrong? how? have you asked any rich woman or any woman about this? everyone wants a freebie. no one ever turned down 'your money is no good here'.

Does that help to solidify love απϑ unity between the husband and wife?

so double dutch helps?

How would you feel if suddenly your wife receives a huge inheritance and becomes a multi millionaire but does not share a penny from her wealth with you and at the same time demands you to maintain her with your meager salary?

any muslim husband who understand marriage in islam will have no problems with wife keeping her inheritance.

Can such marriage survive?

obviously you have no loyalty to anything but mulla; money. marriage where husband and wife understand their individual and joint responsibility and commitment will not hang the survival of the marriage on the sharing of the wife's wealth. or even the husband's wealth.

Relate? That's news to me, why do you need to do that when there's surah4:34 2:223, 33:50?

everything is always new to you. the question is can you show something of equality from your book? whatever your book is?

4 verse 34: Men are in charge of women by right of what Allah has given one over the other

i am stronger than my wife. so i will step forward to protect her and our home against intruder

and what they spend for maintenance from their wealth.

regardless of her wealth or lack of it, all her freebies and your money is no good here, my darling is on me

So righteous women are devoutly obedient, guarding in the husband's absence what Allah would have them guard.

wife has one husband in marriage. so woman keep the family jewels away from other men

But those [wives] from whom you fear arrogance - first advise them;

if saint paris is a woman, you may have to send saint bernard the dog to keep her in check. people like her as stiff necked

then if they persist, forsake them in bed;

resist the urge of se.x with a person who is not on your team

and finally, strike them.

no one who is decent wants the lover to even tap her when he is angry, unhappy. if you strike without hurting, then it is a mere tap to call attention, a reminder to order

But if they obey you [once more], seek no means against them.

no discomfort upon her. so be happy family, once again

Indeed, Allah is ever Exalted and Grand.

believers shall obey your order, oh The Exalted and Grand Lord God

in my analogy, a non-Good man may not be able to show love nor have the patience to tollerate his wife. no one is a perfect creature! while the non-Good man will find it easy to say divorce 3ce on a phone, the Good man will be willing to support his non-good wife to be a better person.

you seem to assume that non-good man is only in islam? ask the world and you find out that problems in marriages is not on man or woman alone. sometimes, the two are bad for each other. so what do you do when both hate the gut of the other spouse? before the phone, or text, people have been marrying and divorcing. many a christians must have started their divorce proceeding in the most unusual way; a husband shared bed with his wife, wake up in the morning and announced to the world and the woman that he is no longer married. saint paris, this is your way of life.

Yea, he can do that on the phone it's quite easy.

the poor and wimpy man is by phone or text. real man needs to consider many things before thinking about divorce. if she is my sister, how would i like this? but the strong christian male, like rudy guilliani of new york city calls a press conference to announce to the mother of his son, the woman he shared bed with last night, that he is no longer her husband. he already kept a secret relationship brewing on the side.

What do you guys take women for?

i asked you first. so ask rudy for me. or alfonso demalto. both are conservative christians, catholic and republican. they will think that you are a pagan, still.

so a christian american drew amercan president with the backdrop being the ol glory. now the nigerian christians are using their not rioting about this to show the world muslims that they are no killers of souls.

interesting. the nigerian christians need to know that america does not care for anything but dollars. almost everyone in this society called usa has a co God with what he/she tells the world based on his/her spirituality. because everyone wants to be like the jones, 'almighty dollar" is the other God. few rejects this God. another few struggle to reject it, too. but many has a shrine where they bow to it in their hearts. sometimes it is because of poverty or trying to climb up the ladder to a greater height of affluence.


now. we have to agree that christians have killed because of religion, in cases where they are forcing people to convert, bibles in one hand and guns and or swords in other. colonialism may have started out because of national glory if it had no religious underpinnings. i seriously doubted it because you will see crosses on the ships/vessels and on the individual men as colonizers. the truth is that christianity did not affect the hearts of these evil forefathers of the christians to know that they should have stayed in their homes. even when satan drove them to other lands, they should have resisted the temptation of satan as they read Jesus did. they should not have punished, maimed, killed people who were indigenous as their hosts. the bibles have been used to dehumanize people as cursed, less than peers in the human race, enslaving men an women, old and young. it is from the bibles that jews were able to call us gentiles and chritians calling us infidels.


finally, christianity didnt stop either King George to invade Afghanistan and preemptively decimated Iraq nor stopped Emperor Barack to kill Osama. both were justifiable actions in spite of chrstianity in the lives of both leaders. turning the other cheek is easy on the tongue, but it is not possible for the speaker of it to simply literally practice it. thats hypocrisy.


if the muslims do not blame the christians when the muslims have a rancor in there ranks, do you christians need to drag islam to your problems? clean your homes and put things in order and leave us out of your mess and while you are at it learn to stay in your lane.


muslims do not drag christians into shia and halawi and ahmadiyya and other sunni and even nation of islam's wahala. we either pray about it or deal with it by speech and some misguided people take arms to harm others, instead of showing mercy.

i bet you dont have coherent opinion. and explanation is more refined. Bible is not Quran.
Bible has versions and editions and revisions.

Quran is 1 in original language.

this destroys the proposition of frosbel and his cohorts that soul remains with the lifeless body and that spirit is different from soul and it is spirit that keeps the body alive.

the fact is that spirit is what soul is, essentially the unseen part of the living man. and for a man to die, the soul has to leave the body, as unseen [spirit].

the man is made of body [physical] and soul [spirit].

there is no body, spirit and soul. but body and soul [spirit]. science has come to what islam has stated in the Quran.
no one knows the full nature of soul. only God knows it.

truthman2012. dubious as in you putting evil before days, where the truth is days in mine is before misfortune.

misfortune is continuous as just 1 unbroken even from start to finish.

in yours it seems there was a break in the punishment [evil is the end]. and then the punishment begins, again as if there was a rest period.

we know the story of the people of Aad. and their remnant remains which is their lofty homes calved in rocky mountains.

When their punishment began, it did not stop, they were destroyed in one shot; as long as it took.


you see the weakness of translation. you see what happens in versions and editions must be worse than mere translation.


Quran is still in Plain Arabic.

@truthman2012; So We sent upon them a screaming wind during days of misfortune to make them taste the punishment of disgrace in the worldly life; but the punishment of the Hereafter is more disgracing, and they will not be helped.


there is a big difference between your dubious "wind in evil days" and my truthful "wind during days of misfortune".

the wind in that verse is one wind lasting as long as it lasted. at the end of it, the evil people were in misfortune.

but you seem to be telling us as if the wind happened in this day or days. then it happened in another day or days as it to allow them opportunity to a break in the misfortune or punishment. when the punishment began, it was continuous and lasted as long as it lasted to achieve its goal; misfortune reach all that needed to reach.

se.x is even done by sons of God. they loved it so much in heavens that your bibles said they couldn't resist daughters of men on earth. unless you dont read your bibles and lack the knowledge of interpretation. i am wondering if the daughters of men are better looking than what the christian heaven has waiting for christians? Jesus of the bibles was reported to have said you dont get married. he didnt not say you dont have se.x because even here on earth you have se.x while you are not married. go and sin no more, mehn because as u dey do for earth is the way you gonne do in your heaven.

Just that you know, Adam was the husband and mate of Eve before they ate the fruits. Thats from your Bibles and their punishment is that the woman will have pain of birthing, not pain of se.x. se.x is enjoyment and it may be the reason no pain is associated with it, but with having and children. children have their growing "pain".

Your christian brethren has a thread

)There Will Be A LOT Of SEX In HEAVEN?? (1)
by Kagawa. 36 posts & 266 views. 8:52pm (Mr knowitall.)

where they are discussing se.x with angels in your heavens. go to it and argue, blindly as usual. you will be "like' angels doe not mean you will be angels. God created Angels minus sex. While man was created with appetite for se.x. Or you dont have any appetite for se.x? You are like Paul, i take it, eh?

@Truthman2012:

by truthman2012: 4:35pm
From the testimonies of two or more the truth shall be established.

Who told you that 2 or more is enough? even more is enough? Where did you get that from? I will tell you that 1 is enough. That 1 is God, while I am going to take it that your 2 or more is not and definitely they will be fake God as gods.

There is no evidence that islam is from God as no one testified to it.

plenty of evidence in the Quran. even plenty of evidence in the OT, Psalm and NT; There was belief in the time of Adam. Believers in his time were Adam and Even and their children; one child was sinless. Another of the first set sinned and repented. The belief in their time was neither judaism nor christianity. you will have to accept that their belief system was monotheistic and which of the 3 so called monotheistic belief system left for them except Islam?

in the time of Adam [as] there was a disbelief and the one who disbelieved was satan. i am hoping that you are learning as much as i am here?

Even God Himself did not speak once in the whole of quran.

You wanna bet your christianity on this because I will quote verses that has nothing to do with Jibril [as] but only between Allah The God Almighty and the Messenger [sa]. It happened in the Night Journey known as Isra wa Miraj.

Every revelation there was by proxy.

you know it was proxy because Muhammad [sa] was honest to say it was. So where he says it is between God and he [sa], you will have to apply the same barometer. It was his honesty, again.
i know Moses spoke to God because Quran recorded it. I know that Muhammad spoke to God because it is memorialized in the Salah that we make. It is the tashahud part. The direct Talk of Allah to Muhammad [sa] without Jibril [as] are the last 4 verses of the 2nd Chapter.

How are we sure the Gabriel that spoke to Muhammad was God's Gabriel and not a demon from the pit of hell as God did not promise sending him

how did you come to this conclusion/ if you use your Bibles, you will know that Angels were sent to prophets who were always men [as]. Jesus did not say he was the 'that prophet' asked of John, son of Zacharia. Jesus was only affirmed as the "christ". period. from the quality that you guys assigned to Jesus, he was 50% correct and 50% wrong. He was wrong when he said John was Elijah. John ought to know who he himself was more than anyone, consider the fact that Jesus said John was the greatest prophet born of woman. Jesus was born of woman and if Jesus was your God, he did not know enough about John.

The fact of the matter, further, is that Jesus said the another comforter [remember the 'that prophet'?], shall come to people of greater not little faith who can bear it, as he teaches, leads and affirms what was true of Jesus, etc. The people of greater faith who didnt bother their prophet and didnt abandon him were the companions [ra]. there was no betraying like Judas, denying like Peter, doubting like Thomas. they did not have satan in them like Peter.

neither did He (God) confirm sending him in the quran.

if you wager christianity on this point, i will quote not less than 5 verse to whet your appetite so that you can become a newly born again to islam, the natural religion you came with before your parents changed you to christian.

God's prophets hear directly from God.

like Jacob when he defeated Yahweh and like Jesus when Jehovah refused to answer his prayer of protection fro death? please clarify. I have said Isra wa Miraj was a journey from earth to heavens and returning to the earth. when Muhammad [sa] was in the heavens in that journey, he heard the Voice of God, talking to him, directly.

Why did Muhammad not hear from God directly?

Read Surah Isra [verses 1 and 2], Surah Najm talks about his seeing Wonders in heavens.

Why was every revelation in the quran through an angel?

tell me if you are not seeing the last 4 verses of chapter 2? which chapter of the bibles did God revealed, directly to the receiver? remember that you do not have anything word for word in original language of revelation of Torah or Sabur or Injil? Please dont tell me you believe that Paul saw Jesus who was a prophet?

i have the right to marry my wife 3 times: the first marriage and 2 remarriages. it is the divorce in after the 2nd remarriage that makes the marriage end in that cycle of marriage and divorce.

heck. i just read about a woman in the northern nigeria's city of kaduna who wants out of the marriage, seeing divorce from her husband.

st paris, that will teach you a lesson that woman can seek divorce from the husband, just as much as husband can.

what a man can do, woman can do better in almost all cases.


@saint paris; i read you loud and clear. when deut disagrees with gospel, any gospel, it means deut disagrees with Jesus, unless Jesus is not about the gospel, any gospel.

Jesus tightened up this popular and loose interpretation of Deuteronomy 24:1, in order to protect women. Divorce is permitted only for intimate unfaithfulness. No man should divorce his wife for trivial reasons.

you people make mockery of jesus and his Lord. who revealed or instructed Deut. 21.1, above; Jesus or Jehovah? If it was Jehovah, you are saying that the Jesus who has now tightened up "it" is of better understanding and greater moral quality. If the one who revealed the Deut. 24.1 was Jesus who now tightened up "it", we should ask what was the thought when he allowed it before he deemed it necessary to tighten[ed] up "it"? we ask if this is not changing mind and being inconsistent? ol' boy, or sisi, you make people see the frailness of unsteadiness. God is firm from the beginning. If God hates something, He does not love it later. God hated sin because it is disobedience. so He forgives when people repent because repentance is obedience. there is no reason for you to say the real God permits divorce before and now disallowed it. what has changed from the time of permission to now disallow it? are people better now or more evil? why should you tie together people who do not want to belong? this is evil.

Moreover, to deduce from the doctrine of reconciliation, an over arching theme in the Bible, neither the Old Testament nor the New Testament prohibits a remarriage of the original couple to each other after their divorce(see Isaiah 54:5-8 and Jeremiah 3:8-14). This desire to reconcile demonstrates that the divorced couple has set aside their grievances and decided to start afresh, which is always welcomed in the Spirit of Christ. The Bible would never deny this righteous desire.

i guess the same spirit of christ was working in deut. 24.1? isaiah 54.5/8 and jeremiah 3.8/14 are opposing deut. 24.1

you are supposed to marry and divorce if you must, then within the period of iddah can comeback. or remarry each other anew if you waited past iddah. you can marry each other 3 times and the 3rd divorce is final until somebody else marries the wife and consummate the marriage and divorce and has the chance as you did to go through the iddah periods and may have to go exhaust the 3 marriage periods.

Thus, the differing patterns for the divorced couple in the Bible and the Quran work out in the following way, as the couple seeks to reconcile and remarry each other (the capital letters standing for the key words in the process):

The Bible: Marriage-Divorce-Remarriage (M-D-R)

The Quran: Marriage-Divorce-Marriage-Divorce-Remarriage (M-D-M-D-R)

in Islam it is actually m-d-r-d-r d. there are 2 possible remarriages and actually 3 marriages and 3 divorces. the 3rd divorce is final for the cycle and some other spouse will have a chance at love. stop a second. step back and wonder if you are a woman [maybe you are]. will you want the man who plays with your heart, divorcing and remarrying you, without any end to that type of unstable romance? maybe you will find true love from somewhere else, instead of with the guy who loves to keep you unsettled, divorcing you as his emotion dictates. I am a man and i will not utter divorce to a woman unless i mean it to be final between the two of us. i dont go back for seconds.

It may be true that Muhammad cursed(as usual) schemers who misused remarriage to get their own way. But his ruling opened up the door to scheming in the first place.

the reality today is that the rate of divorce and disregard of marriage is higher than those who are not followers of Muhmmaad [sa].

Clearly, the Bible is simpler and promotes and protects the sanctity of marriage, particularly of the first marriage, and it promotes and protects a straight path towards reconciliation and remarriage.

no it does not, unless you are denying the reality of the book. Quran insists that there is a contract of marriage to protect the woman and act as a manual of justice and reminder to the stronger man. today the powerful among the non muslims are using muslim inspired contract of marriage. they call it prenuptial.

Conclusion

Here is the essential difference between the Quran and the Bible.

The Quran prohibits reconciliation and remarriage of a couple to each other after; divorce

3 divorces, not a divorce.

but it also requires and demands a second marriage and divorce before permitting the reconciliation and remarriage of the original couple.

if you dont know what you are talking about, just ask question or keep your mouth shut. there is no place that says what you said now in the Quran. what purpose is the waiting period if first marriage followed by first divorce means marriage to a different man is a must? waiting period is both a cooling out and reflection period. the people can get back together for second marriage. or if they wait after the period, they can get back in remarriage whereby wife can ask for another dowry. husband and wife thereby in islamic process of marriage and divorce have the exclusive right of 3 marriages before another man has a chance to enter the picture.

On the other hand, the Bible allows reconciliation and remarriage after a divorce without requiring or demanding an intervening second marriage and divorce. This follows the Biblical themes of reconciliation and forgiveness (Isaiah 54:5-8 and Jeremiah 3:8-14).

let me ask if Jesus says you cant divorce and those who are cant remarry, what good is what Isiah and Jeremiah verses above? who do you follow or you are a follower of hybrid of Jesus, Isiah, Jeremiah and Deut.? what role is paul playing here in marriage and divorce? I see you keep him far away from the discussion. how many times can marriage and divorce and remarriages happen in the above before the man takes the woman for granted and the woman dislikes her condition, that the holy books have made her a slave of the loveless man?


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M-D-M-D-R vs. M-D-R

if each marriage period is 5 years, the muslims couple will have 15 years before another man can enter into the equation. how many 5 years marriages do the bibles impose on the woman as an unwilling subject of the loveless sick in the head "crown on the head of the woman"?

Therefore, Muhammad’s old-new law on this specific matter is confusing, whereas the Bible’s righteousness promotes reconciliation and forgiveness after a divorce, without confusion.

in Islam, marriage ceremony calls for both spouses to be conscious of God in their relationship and of course the treatment of each other. again, the marriage of muslim has 3 possible lifespans of christian marriage.

by nakash: 7:59pm On Nov 26
Besides preventing death allah could not even foresee that his prophet's grandson would be murdered in the battle of Kerballa where the Shia like Lagosshia spill their own blood to remember how the prophets grandson and 72 (virgins) were slaughtered. Allah disappoints me a lot by his lack of foresight.

death is part of human's life you mor.on. [sorry; you mo ron]. Allah created death for man, just as He create having babies for man.

Unfortunately, you have made your Yahweh or Jehovah equal to man, so much so that in all the parts and forms he appeared as father and son, he could not accept his own prayers not to all few jews and some romans to kill him.

there is a good answer for you. but i will leave it until you push yourself to the edge of the cliff so that all i have to do is to kick your dirty self with the answer so that you can fall off the cliff. satan carried your god to the edge, a believer will kick you down so that i can see you and yours perform the miracle that two gods failed in.

nakash: Allah is so fake that he thinks that washing rasulullah (his prophet) heart with water from a well adds wisdom and belief while he should have increased the amount of rational brain cells. This muslim allah got it all wrong scientifically and yet he is supposed to be the creator. Allah sucks and he is not attuned to our world today because he lacks the capacity to foresee the future. Allah's muhammad is fake

i know that your god is always changing, just to meet the requirement of man like flavor of the month. he is baskin robbins. man needs to meet the ruling of God and the Real God is One and His Way is one. The Book of God is One. Not the revised standard version. I bet there will still be more revised versions of fake book.

by nakash: 8:30pm On Nov 26
If allah is the real god why are there so many sects top being shia and sunni? Is that he did not know that the sects would engage in an Fun of killing each other like they are now 1400 years later? Today in Pakistan sunnis slaughtered shia using a roadside bomb like they have been for eons. Shia have been slaughtering Bahais in Iran. What is wrong with this allah who cannot let people live in peace like christians, buddhists, atheists,hindus, etc? Whats the problem with this allah who cannot let israel be?

Islam is One. sect are different. if sects disqualifies Islam what happens to christianity that has sects under sects? Northern Ireland and England killed each other for decades. Jerry Adams just stop killing only in the late 1990s. Christian England killed Argentine Christians. Christian Germans killed Christian England, Poland, etc, etc. You must have just been smoking herbs to forget all about the atrocious deeds of christians and christianity through the ages. Go ask the Congolese what Belgium Christian did. Hutus and Tutsi in africa. How about France against Algeria? sick puppy nakash.

by nakash: 8:47pm On Nov 26
I am sure a nutcase muslim will mention wars fought by christians to justify their endemic violence. The last christian wars were fought long time before societies became secular unlike the muslims who are still stuck in a time warp.

so secularism is now the drawing line for hiding the truth of 1980s or the war that broke up Yugoslavia, etc and the many blood baths of Europe? You have a violent mind that quickly forget the recent past and wishes to highlight the faults of others. Mumbai India killed Muslims.

Christian societies fight for economic reasons not mohamedan reasons.

so christianity cant impact the mind to be just? no wonder people like you are governed by GEJ. Alhamdulillah, i dont care too much for the dude.

Good night you violent muslims I have expressed my reasons on why you should uphold peace and forget about bringing Jerusalem under your control. You have no claim over it. Your kith and kin living there have more rights than all of you living in the sharia world of islam. Taqqiya is what you lousy people know. We are wise now and you will not win, the kufr knows what you are upto.

I am an infidel in your Bible. is there a greater reason to lay claim on Jerusalem other than following the religion of Abraham? Was Abraham a jew or christian? if either religion was established after he was long gone, can we call either one of them his religion? there was no jew as people or religion in the time of Abraham. christian and christianity came much later. Islam has claim over Jerusalem than any one group based on the relation with Abraham. Just because muslims are misbehaving does not mean that islam is misbehaving, also.

@nakash: the topic is the heavenly se.x in the bibles. no muslim has entered any post against christianity or christians here. i know you will deny the bibical se.x because you are pretending as if it is only in marriage that christians have se.x. i know you are not a virgin and it is not because you are married. no sir. illegal se.x is your middle name and the poster child for denial is the very you.

you will not be married in heaven. that does not eliminate your having se.x still because it is the way of your life on earth. and you are told it is the way of life for your heaven that you are living on earth. read it in the Lord's Prayer that erroneously begins with "our father". you will probably have the 'chancey dey' group, too.

in Islam, we are not ashamed to say our Paradise will be filled with the best of the best of this world. i am looking to being the husband of my sweeties. pretty women are good to have as spouses.

@Olaadegbu: http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=endscreen&v=NrHlRBd14iI&NR=1

nakash is sincerely sick. unfortunately, no hospital in 9ja can cure him. none on earth can truly cure him. Allah Who is above His Throne is the Only One.

Look, it hurts me to argue with you. You seem like a honest and cool guy compared to some of your fellow muslims that are like animals.

Chapter 4 verses 4 to 10 of the Quran speaks about giving and gifts of the estates of the deceased including the role of the executrix and how the portion of the estate can extend to families and even the poor who are not blood related. I doubt that should be be spoken of to those who are not familiar with it by a single liner.

Your arguments have holes

has holes like quadratic equation or any formula where on casual look by untrained eyes in complex problem, there is always a no solution.

If the Quran was perfect as you say, you wouldnt have to write biographies just to defend simple problems.

Allah proposed so many forms of situations. each form stands on its own. i am assuming you do not have problem with where you think a form is clear? your problem however is when you have a situation wherein many forms are together present in the "situation'. it reminds me of math problems where there are multiple unknowns and they occur in different values in more than one formula. How do you combine two formulas to arrive at the value of each unknown so much accurately that if you were to plug them into the original formula, they will fit and work without fail. try multiple variable equations math problem for size.

If the numbers do not add up, then the division or sharing scheme is nonsense. Simple.

thing we know in the sharing of estate is the value of the estate. so when it is a simple formula as God has stated in each of the situation, you do not have problem with it. But you have problem when you have multiple formulas. but you are not being a progressive thinker if you fail to realize that two issues are here, first the estate cant suddenly become larger or smaller. secondly, no one of the beneficiaries will go away without receiving something, which in essence is addition to what they had before the distribution.

the issue now is to ask you again, if we are to share 5 oranges between 10 people, shouldnt 1 orange be shared by 2 people? if suddenly we have 3 more people to share the same amount of oranges, should it be a viable solution that we peel all the 10 oranges, break them into individual peels where we can now count the many peels and share are close to equality as possible, since no one is willing to take less?

my wife makes plenty of money and never at anytime i asked her what she does with her money where they are kept or what they are spent on. if she needs an advise, the moment she asked, i give. as a husband, it is my duty to provide 100% for her and i do not double dutch. this is my islam.

here is a problem solved by Ali bin Abitalib [ra]: a man left 17 camels. he requested the a particular son be given 50%. another 2/3 of the first and the last 1/3 of the 2nd. The problem is how do you get 50% of 17 without killing any animal? if the major portion is impossible, then the rest below it cant hold through, similar to things fall apart.

But God is Merciful to the muslim community and the commander of the faithful Ali [ra] summoned that they bring one of his own camels. He added to to the 17 making it 18 hence division. he gave the guy for 50% 9, the guy that will receive 2/3 of the first 6 camels and the guy that will get 1/3 of the 2nd guy 2 camels. Add them together you will get 17, the amount of the estate. Ali [ra] took back his original camel back. If this much knowledge is in Islam, now how difficult is it to share the wealth of a deceased?

let me talk about the estate of my late father [ra]. Many of us did not take anything for whatever reasons. Relationship is fostered in Islam for the pleasure of God. hence, a good believer will gladly accept what he is given and continue doing any good he can do, including being responsible for his sisters, still.

If you assume that women will always need less than men, you are a sexist.[/ quote]sexist dont allow his women folks to have a full life. I take care of my women folks as God demands and I am in defense of those in my ward. I do not run under the bed when i think there is an intruder, but gets up and be ready to take whatever as long as my women are protected.


[quote]What makes you think that all women dont want to work? My mum would be twice your age and she still works for the dignity of labour.

your mother cant be twice my age and still hold down a job. impossible. not all people want to engage in manual labor which is the reason you have business owners so that they employ those who want to work.

I thank Allah that she would never have the mentality of any woman you have control over.

i may be older than your mother.


below is individual formulas. thinking people will simply combine the formulas applicable in the situation to arrive at the formula for that solution so that each person gets what is the aggregated benefit relevant

verses 11 and 12 of chapter 4 of the Quran explaining each simple situation an you may thereby combine situations to solve complex situation:

Allah instructs you concerning your children: for the male, what is equal to the share of two females.

But if there are [only] daughters, two or more, for them is two thirds of one's estate.

And if there is only one, for her is half.

And for one's parents, to each one of them is a sixth of his estate if he left children.

But if he had no children and the parents [alone] inherit from him, then for his mother is one third.

And if he had brothers [or sisters], for his mother is a sixth, after any bequest he [may have] made or debt.

Your parents or your children - you know not which of them are nearest to you in benefit. [These shares are] an obligation [imposed] by Allah . Indeed, Allah is ever Knowing and Wise.



And for you is half of what your wives leave if they have no child.

But if they have a child, for you is one fourth of what they leave, after any bequest they [may have] made or debt.

And for the wives is one fourth if you leave no child.

But if you leave a child, then for them is an eighth of what you leave, after any bequest you [may have] made or debt.

And if a man or woman leaves neither ascendants nor descendants but has a brother or a sister, then for each one of them is a sixth.

But if they are more than two, they share a third, after any bequest which was made or debt, as long as there is no detriment [caused]. [This is] an ordinance from Allah , and Allah is Knowing and Forbearing.

Sorry guys. If you read my posts, you would have realized the direction of the discussion. I know you are embarrassed by the actions of some of your Muslim brethren and don't want it highlighted, but since God's name is mentioned while perpetuating these heinous crimes, its gotta count somewhere in understanding the fundamentals of Islam and how it governs Muslim behavior.

tiarabubu must accept her own logic that those who wear the cross and even shout Jesus and Jesus christ when they commit evils go the same way on the fundamentals of christianity and what is permissible by its holy text; stealing, killing, homosex.uality, all sorts of illegal se.x and acts.

Sorry guys, its the hard, cold truth!

we may grudgingly swallow it as the truth you thrust on us as soon as you accept what happens that we say is evll as the doer shouts Jesus and or a cross wearer.

maclatunji is being objective, honeychild and tiarabubu are not satisfied but insist that Islam and Muslis must be responsible for the ills that frequently happen in the northern nigeria. while you ladies fail to see the forest, are these rioters and killers in the north just muslims and nothing else? There are muslims in the south and outside nigeria, you know. most american muslims regardless of color and social status will confess that it is Islam that has improved their humane quality.

I know that when I finally understand Islam, i began to improve and it is Islam being the source of my God consciousness that stops me from evil and not because of the laws of the land because you see criminals and hearing about crimes daily.

@honeychild:

by honeychild(f): 7:40am
@maclatunji
Have you ever seen a Muslim mob in action?

He is a muslim and he does not have a mob mentality. have you honeychild seen a mob in action? everyone in the mob discards his personal quality and take on the singular demeanor of the group. it is "wilding" ike wild animals. I have read about university students as a mob killing other university students. are those in Aluu near Port Harcourt muslims?

Who exactly should be treated as a criminal? Is it the 8 - 12 year old almajiri boys who are usually the front guard of the 'holy force'?

a person who consciously commit crime that is so heinous that only criminal adults can commit it is actually charged as an adult in societies where there is rule of law. people are not let off the hook just because they are underage. somebody must be responsible, they when it is criminal, their parents when it is civil litigation. children are not left unsupervised.

They have been fed a steady diet of nothing but hatred, ignorance and bigotry. Some of them have been abandoned with their Mallams since they were as young as 3 or 4 years old. They have no recollection of their homes or even what their parents look like. They've no orientation of right and wrong.

then it is their system that is unislamic that must be held accountable. a person in authority in charge of the young is responsible for the evil action of the youth. America knew osama did not fly the planes, but says it was his speech, idea and encouragement that made the people who did it go ahead. the mallams should be responsible for the actions of their wards. I was raised in the south and i knew many who were raised as you are saying the northern al majirins are raised. none of these people from the south in my time did not go to school, hold job and none turned out to be evil.

Do you even know the mindset of the Northern Hausa Fulani Muslim? I remember then in Zaria,

then blame the hausa fulani because if it was Islam, i will be doing the same, so will maclatunji. or as youth each would. i will not even say blame the hausa fulani because the evil doers are just a small percentage. blame evil where evil is and not the innocent Truth that you say may have geared them on just because they perceive in your own eyes to associate with it. they could be completely ignorant of the truth in the same way that some prostitution, stealing and drugging are practiced in Saudi Arabia.

when the Muslim riots start, the only place if refuge was the Army Barracks because the local police would stand by and watch (and secretly root for the mob, I presume). The entire set up in the North, from the Emir down to the littlest 2 year old believe in the rightness of using violence to defend their religion.

violence is the means of defending islam. read the Quran and study the hadith. there is no battle or war started without the other side making the first move. defense is an obligation of all individual and group towards self preservation, otherwise your enemy will not stop until he eliminate you.

And you sit in a civilised place and say 'criminals should be treated as criminals'.

so its the civilization that stops a man from evil, if i follow your logic? no wonder there are several assaults on muslims in america and other places, by red necks, skin heads, white supremacist, conservative christian individuals, etc, which went to over drive after 911 as if all muslims conspired and committed the tragedy. heck, you have this same mindset because you are just short of blaming all muslims in nigeria, including maclatunji. you have already blamed even the emirs. i am not defending anyone because i do not side with evil. but it will be hard to believe that there is no single muslim with dissension mindset in the north is what i read from you here.

Everyone in the North is in on it.

i didnt misunderstand you.

The police man who is supposed to do the arresting would actually prefer to pick up a matchette and join in the spree.

and there is a president in this country? the duty of the president includes the effort to safe guard the life of each citizen. the president is not doing his job.

I can assure you, maclatunji that to your Muslim brothers in the North, you are nothing but an infidel for believing that Islam should be peaceful.

the world infidel is from the bibles and there is no direct Quranic equivalent. if the muslims in the north feels as you said he feels about maclatunji, that is an inkling that their action against those they do evil to is not borne out of their Islam.




@tiarabubu:

by tiarabubu: 7:59am
Leave Maclantunji,

What I saw with my own eyes during one the riots in the North is that it is purely beyond "Government dealing with the culprit". Kids as young as ten perpetuating unspeakable violence, Children brought up in Quranic schools! What they teach them there is beyond me!!!!!!!!!!!!!

i say without any reservation that they are not teaching them the islam revived by Muhammad [sa].

Admitting the problem is the right step towards taking action to stop it and it largely rests with Muslims themselves

it does not rest with the muslims, but the individual who commits evil, the community that encourages evil, the leadership that is silent about it and the president and citizenry that do nothing about it even though they have the law and the ability to effectuate the change. evil can not be allowed to grow in any society regardless of the religion of those who are committing it.