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Quote from: Sweetnecta on Today at 04:21:08 PM
There is no reality in calling them sons of God. There is no authority to it. No evidence. You can't prove it. o you made it up without reality or evidence.

This is not a make up, There are a number of Biblical facts stating Jesus Christ as the only beggoten son.
weather u beleive it or not.

His birth was prophesy by Isaiah's [b].( "Therefore the Lord himself shall give you a sign; Behold a virgin shall conceive, and bear a son, and shall call his name Emmanuel." ) Isaiah 7: 14.[/b]Apart from the fact that no one ever called him Emmanuel [if you have a proof, present it, is this an evidence that he was a begotten son of God? How did God beget him? Can you search the dictionary as tell us what beget is except by actual sexual act is the only way to arrive at it?



[Quote](Behold, a virgin shall be with child, and shall bring forth a son, and they shall call his name Emmanuel, which being interpreted is, God with us. Matthew 1:23 U beleive in the kuran teaching so do i beleive in the bible.[/Quote] IShmael is God hears. Does it make Ishmael God? How about Israel?



[Quote]He is the son of God by his resurrection: 1 Corinthians 15:1-9(KJV)
1Moreover, brethren, I declare unto you the gospel which I preached unto you, which also ye have received, and wherein ye stand;

2By which also ye are saved, if ye keep in memory what I preached unto you, unless ye have believed in vain.

3For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures;

4And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures:

5And that he was seen of Cephas, then of the twelve:

6After that, he was seen of above five hundred brethren at once; of whom the greater part remain unto this present, but some are fallen asleep.

7After that, he was seen of James; then of all the apostles.

8And last of all he was seen of me also, as of one born out of due time.

9For I am the least of the apostles, that am not meet to be called an apostle, because I persecuted the church of God.[/Quote]These are your evidence? Paul? Giving his own opinion as he wished? Do you want me to quote verses from him that makes him a liar? Are the above word of God or Paul's? And you still call the Bible absolute word of God? If I quote verses of the Bible from the mouth of Paul and you find him a liar, will the Bible remain word of God, still?



[Quote]By his divine preaching/teaching:The great Gospel writer Matthew tells us, in Matthew 7:28-29[/Quote] is this from Jesus or somebody not jesus? You see why you can't even say the whole of Matthew is from Jesus?



[Quote]And so it was, when Jesus had ended these sayings, that the people were astonished at His teaching, for He taught them as one having authority, and not as the scribes (Matthew 7:28-29).[/Quote]he was a prophet. did you forget that? Moses taught even higher things. Moses brought laws that even Jesus had to obey and told you to obey them. But no. Not you. You had to listen to Paul. {I am not attacking you. I hope you realize that?}.



[Quote]Angels confirmation of his birth: (Matt 1:20 KJV)But while he thought on these things, behold, the angel of the LORD appeared unto him in a dream, saying, Joseph, thou son of David, fear not to take unto thee Mary thy wife: for that which is conceived in her is of the Holy Ghost.[/Quote]Angels confirmed births of Ishmael. The birth of Isaac. Are these people less special?Ishmael became nations. Jesus didnt. And Joseph was not the husband of mary before then, otherwise she wouldn't have remained a virgin. Just a mere engagement does not make future spouse, spouse from that moment of engagement. And holy ghost was not Yahweh, otherwise you kill the Trinity right there. Plus you will have to then agree that jesus got his own mother pregnant. To get somebody to conceive includes se.x, or test tube process, or surrogacy, except if you are the Creator who makes any of these possible and making it to happen in another way called creation; commanding it to happen.
While Jesus was commanded to happen in his mother's tummy, Adam was commanded to happen from a pie of dirt, literally, and Eve from a piece of rib.



[Quote]Sweetnecta To deny this Biblical facts is to deny the Bible itself and Jesus. How do u still claim u love him and say he is not the SON OF GOD??[/Quote]None of what I disagree with is a fact. It is on the pages of the Bible. Yes. But opinions and make believe. Read it yourself, all over age with freedom of thought. How is a name that never was used became the evidence? Evene if he was called that name, when he was prostrating his face at Gethsemane, that was evidence enough that he was a worshiper. He called himself son of man many times. He called himself prophet. he said he was sent to a specific people.
I wonder what else do you want? Then he topped it all off by saying "my God, my God . . ."
not that I believe the crucifixion. But the Creator confound the liars to leave a a little truth in their big lie. So we know that they have lied.[/quote]

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Quote from: Sweetnecta on Today at 04:21:08 PM
There is no reality in calling them sons of God. There is no authority to it. No evidence. You can't prove it. o you made it up without reality or evidence.

Just the same way i could claim that you also made up that story that Adam was  made from dust right? Where is your authority to it? where is your evidence? Can you prove it?[/Quote]What does the Bible say about the materials used to create Adam? When you deny this, please find yourself in the column of the atheist in the book[s] of all who believe in creation. Let me say something to you; whatever Quran agrees with in the Bible, that part is true. So show us what the Bible say about the creation of Adam; what were the materials used?



[Quote]plappville « #309 on: Today at 04:33:04 PM »
Quote from: davidylan on Today at 04:08:32 PM
So if there was no sex involved in these 3 why do you think such is not the case with the appellation of Jesus as the Son of God? Wasnt Adam also called the Son of God.
That was my point, this man is confussing himself i think!![/Quote]I already said appellation, is fake in this case because there is no reality to it. You people go so far as saying God came in the person of Jesus. Yet here you are trying to water it down as if Adam was exaggerated in the same matter.



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And Jesus is son of Mary. This is how Allah mentioned him [as].

Son of Mary how? (according to u a sex must be made) explain how did Jesus is son of mary and yet ALLAH didnt mention the sex that was involve !!?? tell us more about how Jesus was made, u are hiding the truth or confused!![/Quote]son of Mary by creation of God. after all he [as] came out of the body of Mary. Hence, right fully son of Mary. Do you notice we dont even call Eve son of Adam?

[Quote] « #15 on: Today at 04:33:12 PM »

Quote from: Sweetnecta on Yesterday at 05:08:31 PM
^^^^^^^^^^
what do you say of a wife who is older than her husband by say 20 years? she is a craddle-robber, too?

[b]Are you referring to Mohammed and his 1st wife Khadija? [/b]I heard he was 20yrs younger than her, is it true?[/Quote]I was not. But since you brought it up, she [ra] was older than him [as] for about 15 years.

But I was going to use today's situation of Demi Moore and others.

And I have a friend who married a woman 8 years his senior. And she does not do a thing, except care for the children. Right here in NYC.

^^^^^^^^^^ I am not ashamed of anything Muhammad [as] did.

i find myself ashamed of what i did or do. and i am sure to you am pretty alright.

I don't have to be there when Muhammad [as] was alive.

But I sure know enough about him to know the truth, more than you. You lack the fundamentals about him; you are are not a muslim. You dont take him as a prophet.

How do you know how old a person is, except you know about his birth.

Nigeria is 51 years old, today. Nigeria was alive prior to independence. But the age is pegged against the beginning of freedom known as independence.

Islam of Muhammad was 13 years old before Hijra. But the calender starts from the date of Hijra, leaving behind 13 years of Makka.

Now, how old is Aisha [ra] except the date of his birth relative to the beginning of islam in Makka.
We can analyze this further by knowing how old she was when her father [ra] became Muslim.

So do you know when she was born; if she was born before her father became Muslim. Or after her father became Muslim, being a man who was convinced about Islam so much so that he divorced the mother of Aisha, immediately for not entering Islam with him as the other wife did.

We do not expect this man to be sleeping with a woman he disliked enough to divorce and then got her pregnant.
The reality is that she was born before her father entered Islam and she entered it with him.

Her father and indeed her, and the whole family except a brother and her mother entered islam the first year of Islam. Hence at least she had to be 13 before Hijra. Then another 10 years before the death of the messenger [as].


But the interesting part was how old was she before Islam began in Makka, considering that she was old enough that her father was willing to ask that the family of the man she was engaged to marry to take her in. She would not need mom who is already estranged from the time they entered islam, and her father was not willing to give her to her mother to look after. She was old enough to not need da who was eager to migrate to Ethiopia. She was independent enough to be able to survive in this environment. She was old old enough that she was able to remember when very early makkan surah was revealed.


Now do you think she was still 6 or 9 instead of 16 or 19 after all the above?

Do you have any evidence? Hadith that disagree with Quran is not authentic. A woman, just like a man can not be married until the age of Balagh [reaching puberty at least].

There is no reality in calling them sons of God. There is no authority to it. No evidence. You can't prove it. o you made it up without reality or evidence.

[Quote]« #304 on: Today at 04:08:32 PM »

Quote from: Sweetnecta on Today at 04:00:33 PM
exaggeration is when lie is made to be truth or addition is made to truth to become big, both are distortion and reality is completely denied for make belief. simply put; amplification.


there was no sex in making Adam become fully grown man when became alive. there was no sex involved in when Eve was made to become alive as a fully matured woman. there is no sex involved when Jesus was made to lodge in his mother's tummy for as long as it takes before he was delivered like any live birth. if you know any of the 3 that sex was involved, tell us which and who were the sex partners?

[b]So if there was no sex involved in these 3 [/b]why do you think such is not the case with the appellation of Jesus as the Son of God? Wasnt Adam also called the Son of God.[/Quote]Calling somebody son of such and such does not mean its true, except sex occurs with his mother and the Mr. Such and Such. Many people call some persons in their lives father[s]. The reality is that you create this relationship, with reality in it. This is similar to adoption. Adam is not son of God. So is Jesus. They were created. Commanded to being. I do hope you can finally get it. If you insist both or one are/is related to God by blood, this is your own make up.

@Toba; « #301 on: Today at 03:49:19 PM »
[Quote]smdh at sweetnec. what are u defending?[/Quote]truth. disallowing you to pass lies as any truth.



@davidylan « #302 on: Today at 03:58:05 PM »
[Quote]Quote from: toba on Today at 03:49:19 PM
smdh at sweetnec. what are u defending?

i wonder. he simply refuses to answer simple questions, preferring instead to ramble on about nothing.[/Quote]Below was your question, while you refused to answer any of mine. Next to it was my answer:


[Quote]Question:If as you said, sonship is ONLY POSSIBLE through sex with a woman by another man . . . then how does allah explain the virgin birth of Isa?
Answer: same way the creation of Adam, Even and even a successful live birth; command to happen, to take place. [/Quote]
And Jesus is son of Mary. This is how Allah mentioned him [as].

[Quote]This the truth not an EXAGGERATION.[/Quote]exaggeration is when lie is made to be truth or addition is made to truth to become big, both are distortion and reality is completely denied for make belief. simply put; amplification.



[Quote]« #299 on: Today at 03:05:02 PM »
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Allah says that the creation of Jesus to Him, is the same as the creation of Adam. It is by Command; Be. So it becomes.

Adam was commanded to come alive from the mound of dirt.

Jesus was commanded to come alive from the thing clinging to his mother's womb.
So there was no sex made before the birth of both? We shall arive i guess.[/Quote]there was no sex in making Adam become fully grown man when became alive. there was no sex involved in when Eve was made to become alive as a fully matured woman. there is no sex involved when Jesus was made to lodge in his mother's tummy for as long as it takes before he was delivered like any live birth. if you know any of the 3 that sex was involved, tell us which and who were the sex partners?

[Quote]« #297 on: Today at 02:24:50 PM »

Quote from: Sweetnecta on Today at 02:22:56 PM
you ignored all the questions and you are not even ashamed of yourself, but asked me question anyway as if i am invisible in my writing.

how did Allah create Angels?
how did Allah create heavens and earth and all between them?

how did Allah create Adam?
how did Allah create Eve?

Allah created each not by action/work, but Command; Be {KUN], so it becomes {FA YA KUN}


Allah says that the creation of Jesus to Him, is the same as the creation of Adam. It is by Command; Be. So it becomes.

Adam was commanded to come alive from the mound of dirt.

Jesus was commanded to come alive from the thing clinging to his mother's womb.


Is this difficulty for God to accomplish? Absolutely not. It is very easy for the Creator.

you're being obtuse. If as you said, sonship is ONLY POSSIBLE through sex with a woman by another man . . . then how does allah explain the virgin birth of Isa?[/Quote]the same way the creation of Adam, Even and even a successful live birth; command to happen, to take place.




@plappville « #298 on: Today at 02:48:49 PM »
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i love Jesus in truth more than any christian can.
And yet u re not following his steps, u re not Christ like? U pest his follower with deceit, How do u show u love someone by criticising!!![/Quote]abeg woman, you are not truly his follower. tell me how you are his true follower? are you observing the laws and the prophets? how are you keeping alive the littlest of the jots so that you are not one of the least in the kingdom of heaven? How are honoring the another comforter who leads to all truth, make corrections of mistakes developed after Jesus left the earth, reminding people of what Jesus truly said, glorifying Jesus so much so that he restored the honor of the mother of Jesus at least in the eyes of those who used to be ignorant, repeats only what he heard from God and did not add or take away from it?

Just christ like lip service does not cut it. What are you doing to justify that label upon yourself? We are not blind and we do see. We observe.




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the lies of loving Jesus when you exaggerate him is insincerity.
The truth of loving JESUS is by beleiving in his wordS and preaching him, he is the way the thruth and the life, for no one cometh unto God except by him.[/Quote]Tell me the words of Jesus that you preach? I will love to read them. Nothing from anyone but all from Jesus. Then contrast with what Christianity is.
This the truth not an EXAGGERATION.

Let me plagiarize this two lines because I love to use them against Christians.


{They the Christians}; Their ideology is based on assumptions and presumptions. No fact. Just theories and guess work.

What intelligent man will anchor his entire existence onto the shaky pillars of unproven hypotheses [Of 3 that become 1 of the same thing].

whats the difference between Atheism and Christianity?
Its the same counterfeit [Owo Ijebu] coin, but different sides.

One believes there is no God, or rendered Him irrelevant because He is not visible as if the air or wind is visible or their own brain or thinking is visible.

The other believes there are 3 God Entities, each fully independent and [in absolute confusion, concludes] all of these are 1 God.


Neither group is not on the path of Truth. Each is illogical, just like a hindu or buddhist , etc is.

you ignored all the questions and you are not even ashamed of yourself, but asked me question anyway as if i am invisible in my writing.

how did Allah create Angels?
how did Allah create heavens and earth and all between them?

how did Allah create Adam?
how did Allah create Eve?

Allah created each not by action/work, but Command; Be {KUN], so it becomes {FA YA KUN}


Allah says that the creation of Jesus to Him, is the same as the creation of Adam. It is by Command; Be. So it becomes.

Adam was commanded to come alive from the mound of dirt.

Jesus was commanded to come alive from the thing clinging to his mother's womb.


Is this difficulty for God to accomplish? Absolutely not. It is very easy for the Creator.

because its fake. we think.

you are a son. you have a mother.

your have a father.

what is the relationship between your father and mother? think hard before you respond.

if a child is produced and the parents are not husband and wife, at least they must have had love and se.x between themselves.

if there was no love, at least se.x must have occurred. in case of Jesus, was there se.s, yes or no?


if no, then your concept is deficient and only deficient spirituality could have conceptualized it. equal in evil, are those who accept it as truth.



in Islam, there is no blind faith. we are told to think, ponder, observe, apply real life situation, and arrive at logical and firm conclusion, affirming God as truly Unique and Able Creator.

my love for my dad as my big brothers saw it when i was a child, is the same the way you exaggerate about Jesus; there is no reality in it.


i soon learned that the true love is with my mom. thats what a revert to islam and all muslims have for Jesus.

i hope you can now understand it since it is now made elementary.


who is the wife of God that bore Him a son, if his true nature is the son, then there must a true nature wife.

if he died for your sins, why are you still supposed to believe in God, and not just only believing in his dying for you.
if you will be saved by his death, why will he say that he will say to even the christian miracle performers 'get away from me, i do not know thee'.
do you perform miracles? if you can't, are you better than those whose faith are high enough that they perform miracles?

you do not read minds. if you do, you can't read the mind of this slave of Allah.
Alhamdulillah, to you i will be very difficult to guess.
if Jesus was good enough to save you, why are you told to obey the Commands of God, pray to God, imitate Jesus even in the matters of what God gave to previous prophets and guidance? these are the things that you must pay attention to. Jesus didn't tell you or anyone what you are saying about him; each was developed after he was lifted off the earth by zealots, the false idealists.

i love Jesus in truth more than any christian can.

the lies of loving Jesus when you exaggerate him is insincerity.


the example is like when i was a little boy and one of my much much older brother asked who love more between my then recently passed [ra] father and my still living up to today mother?

my sincere answer was my father of course. this is the man the questioner and i had in common. that brother has long gone now [ra], too.

I remembered him laughing at my answer. he asked if i was sure. i said yes. so he told the other brothers in his age group. the youngest of them was some 20 years plus older than me. they all laughed at me and they said that i will soon change my tune.


some 30 something years after the conversation, no one told me before i realized its my mother that i love more. i struggle against all odds, whatever the odd may be to make my mother happy.

if my father were to be alive i will give 3 times to my mother before i give to my father the very first time.

muslim love of Jesus is like the example above between my mother and my father. Muslims are sincere about their love, while the christians are similar in their love as the love of my father when my older siblings laughed at my ignorance because of my fake idealism.

any former christian when he/she enters Islam quickly realize the true nature of Jesus and loves him in truth right away.

But I do not want to spend my time discussing what is irrelevant. Is God 1 and Indivisible? Yes.

Who ever makes Jesus a God knows that he/she has divided God, cheapened Him and insult Jesus by lying on him, exaggerating his position by elevating him.


And if Satan questions, does it mean that asking question is satanic in nature?

Satan must have done things of actions; getting Biblical Jesus on the ledge/edge of the mountain [cliff] is not question but action.

^^^^^^^^^^^^ Shouldn't the Bibles be exactle the same, regardless of who prints it and what version or time it is printed?
This statement of "producing faith" is a litmus against the Bibles.


[Quote]« #24 on: Yesterday at 05:24:59 PM »

Let me come in here, before this gets out of hand and the hijackers have a field day.


There are over 25,000 original manuscripts of the new testament bible which clearly when analysed exactly match and verify each other. An example manuscript below.[/Quote]Ridiculous. I am a yoruba man. I delivered a message in Yoruba language to Yoruba people in Yoruba land.

Surprise. Surprise. The original manuscript is in Swahili, Kenya.

Do you think Yoruba people or anyone with ability to think will accept the Swahili manuscript as truly authentic and original?

This is the case with the New Testament as we have the "ORIGINAL MANUSCRIPTS" in Greek. You should be ashamed of your original manuscripts because there is nothing original about any of them, except in your diffused mind.

Start with the language and see how deep the errors go.

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
even you deny that man {Eve included} already had enough knowledge before being told about the tree, long before "Eve" ate from it,

you will be denying many issues that you believe as a christian -
man is the image of God because He created them in the images of father, son and holy spirit.
unless these 3 as 1 are lacking in knowledge that satan as a snake can fool them too, the idea that Eve is the only one responsible will be questionable, along with whether the 3 as 1 are truly competent, protective, knowledgeable, and if man is in their own image or even the 3 are really 1 or each is a fully independent and separate God. the question put not only trial of man into question, but also the involvement of God or gods in the whole affair.

But didn't Adam named all things and Eve was from Adam? What knowledge could be lacking that it is contained in the tree?
I thought "all things" means all. Or it doesn't from the christian position?

It is ironic that somebody must have chopped down the tree in Iraq and used it as fire wood. That is some cooking knowledge.

what i am saying here tpia@ id that the fallacy of Eden being a garden on earth and Eve being blamed for all of the temporary wrong of Adam and herself are just terrible.

God had designed what He had designed; the outcome which is expelling them from Paradise, a place that they long to return to. You see their children hoping to return to it?

can you at least get a french Quran and read.

if i take a friend out on the town, and i see to him his money is not good here, that does not mean he can spend his money on the things i will not be obligated to provide for him. things like women, alcohol, cigarette, etc. including pork.

husbands have defined obligations to their wives. the obligation does not include asking for the woman's money to support the family or accounting how she spent it. she is wealthier and wishes to bank roll the family and even give the husband tips, all of that will be charity from her, while if its the husband doing them, it will be his obligation.

while you whine that someone made reference to your family when giving example, to refer to the prophet [as] as Moha, is worse that what i have said in my statement that you field a compliant upon. and truth be told, i easily can have you as a daughter, and i did not complain about the many insult that heaped on me.

you need to learn to either develop thick skin or accept it when your own type of currency is returned to you.


and i have stated before, some women just sat around in their living room, and here comes a baby coming out; she did not have any contraction as the baby was saying to her, mom, ready? i am here, even if you are prepared. she never knew she was even pregnant. what are you talking about.

women who eat date fruits throughout pregnancy will have a pain free, even contraction free delivery of their load. Allah creates the antidote for your christian God curse on women. He also created the antidote for that of men. The men and even women may be called "bowonle"; Prince Charles, Ojukwu are examples. If you want more, look at former President Bush Jr. The children of Warren Buffet are good example. Not every one has to be working in the plantation or graveyard shift.

^^^^^^^^^before protestants there were catholic.
before you, since she is older than you, there was this priest.


@2buff; how many ways to define Christianity?
Let me make it easy for you; religion formed using the name of Jesus as the base, being followed by those who say their way is christ-like.



The priest was from a group of so many.

@Paris10: All that you said the Yoruba copied from Hausa are actually Arabic words.
Both the Yorubas and the Hausa copied them from the Arabic language.
If these tribes are not basing their reasons on religion of Islam, then it is based on their ethnic source.
The Yorubas claimed that they are from Makka.
If I support this view, which I do, it is similar to the Bahia Yorubas of Brazil [They speak their Yorubas very badly but it is still yoruba].

Sheikh is not used only for religious cleric. It is a word similar to Mr. or Chief in a sense, because it can be used for a 40 year old and above male, a wealthy even under 40 male, a respectable male.

nama for example is slaughter in arabic. And we all know what the ethnic nigerians use it for.

You may be correct in your Sarki and Seriki, which I really think is Sheikh badly pronounced.

I will categorize Sultan and Sayidina in special category because Allah is referred by these when you are in Salah, and no one else in Salah.

^^^^^^^^^^
my wife is in her 30s.
anyone with your mindset will think she is too young for me.

yet am not too old in my personality for any age as long as she is an adult in every society [18 is the minimum if you dont know].


what do you say of a wife who is older than her husband by say 20 years? she is a pedophile, too?


you and yerima belong together; both of you are different forms of ignorance.

the whole idea is a head scratcher,

shaking head.

laughing with JeSoul laughing at aletheia.

Name dua to Allah to lighten the burden on you. Then make dhikr; remembering Allah. Read Quran.
Make Nafil salah.

Keep your mouth shot because its a secret. Remember?

Don't Shaytan use you so that you reveal the secret entrusted to you. Shhh!



May Allah help you through it, so that it remains a true secret for ever. Amin.

[Quote]« #285 on: Today at 12:38:00 PM »
Quote from: Sweetnecta on Today at 10:02:00 AM
nothing matters to Seyibrown, except what she deems. this is playing God, lady.
We in Islam are to obey God and do not have any opinion after He has decided a thing.
obedience to God is truly a pre requisite for His Mercy, salvation from Him, forgiving all your sins.

@MyJoe; « #272 on: September 27, 2011, 07:23 PM »Yes.

Still waiting to know what the muslim women do with their money, they are prohibited to use it when they are married, i see why the koran made divorce very easy for u( hey man/woman, I DIVORCE U 3X) and that all hahaha.[/Quote]the only divorce i have experienced is with a christian wife who has no reason to not divorce, while a muslim wife says to me, fear Allah. And her saying to me fear Allah melt my heart. A woman is not forbidden to spend her own money, on whatever she sees fit to spend it on, in as long like any human being should not be spending without caution. Mine built businesses and I never ask her to see the books because she will tell me its not my concern. I agree.
And a woman can institute divorce just as a man can, from a simple reason of "i am not attracted to him to a more spiritual reason like he is not a muslim/believer anymore.



[Quote]Eve the first woman when disobey God by eating the forbiden fruit, God place cause on each, EVE, ADAM, SAPENT. today Koran had denied that cause placed by God about woman and labour. your Quran speaks that the suffering of women during the period of pregnancy and childbirth, has no connection with the concept of the original sin of woman[/Quote]There have been women who delivered their baby without any labor pain. Let me share something with you, since you are a woman. There is something called C-section. It eliminates virginal birth. Even more elaborately, the wealthy employ surrogates to carry their pregnancy to term. Again, not all virginal birth is with any labor or pain. Many in america have delivered and not even aware that they were pregnant and the baby literally forced him/herself out with a look of surprise on the face of the new mother. If this was the curse that you said Yahweh placed on woman, it did not work. And its is not every man that will labor before success. Many of them in Nigeria. Chief Ojukwu is one of them. I can give you many. You live in france and the municipalities around her are littered with the royalties that will have to do anything but just be alive and the money keeps flowing like fast current. Look at Prince Charles. He is almost a bum in his attitude. Is he wealthy? What job does he have?



[Quote]What does MOHA know that he has to deny the curse placed by God and even as he couldn't do anything to stop this curse, he just succeeded in brainwashing his followers that, that curse has no effect on Islam women.
what a shame!![/Quote]I guess you meant Muhammad [as]. Yet you do not realize the lofty position the prophet put women by saying they are not singly responsible while men are excused. Many of my people have delivered their children without having to go through labor pain. Muhammad [as] by Allah spoke the truth, while the liars know themselves.

@italo; « #6 on: Today at 09:56:09 AM »
[Quote]Well, Catholic clergies don't marry. What say ye about them?[/Quote]If they are sincere in other aspects, and what they say about Jesus and his mother is absolute truth, then I at least respect them. But of course you know this position of theirs is only a facade, a lie that they live. So much private sex is going on in the behind the convent. You as a Nigerian male should know that. The freakiest people is a toss up between them and the nurses [sorry nurses] and of course the doctors who can't help themselves.


[Quote]« #7 on: Today at 12:04:12 PM »

And don't blame the rest of us Christians who don't emulate Jesus. Afterall, you Muslims don't emulate Mohammed in marrying 9yr old girls. Or do you?[/Quote]While you are not able to provide substantial evidence about this considering that Marriage is responsibility and Islam states that personal responsibility begins at the time of puberty, you will have to admit that even 9 years old is much younger than the 15 years the age the Islamic scholars states that puberty may begin in most people.

finally, considering that i am a heathen and an infidel [read Timothy, you will see the word infidel], you a believer in Trinity stating Jesus is your Lord God should not be taking the same position with Jesus as I take with a prophet [as] that you don't believe in. If you do, you are worse than a hypocrite in my eyes. you should abandon christianity if this is your attitude and quick lip servicing your trinitarian gods.

that woman, like a drill sergeant got the kids crying for nothing.

Imagine their mob mentality when they come across muslim, ok, non christian kids after this despicable mind bending talk?

God protects such a potential victim.

@Italo: The age where marriage is permissible is the same for male and female.
That age is the age of puberty.
We are not hindus or others now.
We are not jews who consider 13 the age of maturity the reason they mark it by Bamitsva.

Take a look at matters of Marriage and age of it in Quran; Surah Nisaa [Chapter 4], the earlier part of it, before you get to verse 30, you will find it.
I want you to do this research and learn a thing or two, instead of repeating a line like a parrot.

There is a hadith which support this verse while addressing age of responsibility; you will agree that marriage is a for sure responsibility.

Allah's Messenger [as] said the pen recording the deeds of people is lifted and not recording for 3 groups of people; The One who is unconscious as to have been asleep or in coma,

The mentally sick or retard, not normal,

***** The youth who has not reached puberty.


This last group; the youth who has not reached puberty answers your query and your lie against the messenger [as]. continue to lie on the beloved of your Lord until death overtakes you and you see the reality with your own eyes. it will be too late to swallow your filth, then.

If 6 or any age like that is permissible, many of us who are emulating the messenger as much as we can will be doing it. But it is not. Alhamdulillah. And no one said anything about his marriage to Aisha [ra] as a sign of immorality. No even his arch enemies, his uncle Abu Lahab who he would not have done anything against, if you will provide a silly excuse that he would have killed anyone who dared. But people, including Jews in Madina did not relent in uses all kind of statement of accusations against him, but not this marriage thing and many others that you people are using, today.

Well, Aisha [ra] was a woman enough in mid to late teenage year to become a wife and thats when she did, participating in her marriage contract. They say with maturity comes responsibility. Marriage is a responsibility which like worship begins at the earliest; The AGE OF PUBERTY

Yet, no woman that I will marry unless she is in her mid 40s at least, some demented mind will take it that i am a cradle robber. What is the minimum age for marriage, except age of Maturity.

In your village, i am sure it is below 18. In some american state, it is even not 18. So it a woman is a balagh, just as much a man is, regardless of who got there first and how long the person has been there, marriage is permissible between post puberty people.

But you know when i was at the age of these youth in the video, no one forced me to pray or anything Islamic. Alhamdulillah I turned out alright and not a disbeliever.

nothing matters to Seyibrown, except what she deems. this is playing God, lady.
We in Islam are to obey God and do not have any opinion after He has decided a thing.
obedience to God is truly a pre requisite for His Mercy, salvation from Him, forgiving all your sins.

@MyJoe; « #272 on: September 27, 2011, 07:23 PM »
[Quote]Quote from: Sweetnecta on September 27, 2011, 01:44 AM
My wife does not bear my family name, but hers. She does not pay any of the bills. You are a mrs and you contribute to the upkeep of your household. That is abuse, with the fact that you have to do the cooking, laundry, etc. My wife does not have to do that. This is just part of marital freedom enjoyed by muslim women, while you are being enslaved by your husband. Sharia would have protected you instead of the bible that gags you that you must not speak.
[b]I need some clarification on this[/b]Sweetnecta. Sharia "protects" a woman from having to bear her husband's family name, cook for him, and contribute financially to household expenses all at the same time?[/Quote]Yes.

this is madness. the children are pre pubescent.

in Islam, there is no real religious worship until that age of puberty. there is no account for such any before puberty.

here we are; Seyibrown has stated that she has a root in her body that satan makes his home address. She can't evict him.

This suggestion of hers is almost as head shaking as jesus being bombarded and worked up by satan [read your Bibles before you reply and see how Jesus was under the control of satan].

But when the one who came with truth said satan invades a person, but you can get evict him in these many ways, it became hilarious. I am laughing at Tonye-t, and those of the christendom who have accept his ignorance.

All christians without any exception should not marry in following the true Jesu ways and pattern of Jesus their master.

that is the right thing to do. otherwise all of you are darn hypocrite and the reason Jesus will to all of you ''get away from me, i do not know thee".


this will be a natural and quick end to evil way.