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Fulaman198:
that I am, OmarBah is constantly shaking his head and my disgraceful online behaviour. I'm not like this in real life though, I'm actually very shy.

You're also a very respectful and correct person from your contributions online. I like your reserve, men should be respectful to women and not talk anyhow.

Fulaman198:
Time for you to get a Fulani boyfriend. Let me know after Ramadan when I should come over (Royal is going to kill me)

you're crazy.

Fulaman198:
Zarma are Sonrai on the other side of la fleuve Niger (Niger River) the dialect is different a bit from the Songhai spoken in Gao, Mali. I have some Zarma friends. They can understand some Malian Sonrai but not completely.

Yeah I know some zarma too from Niger, I used to go to school with a really nice girl from Niger, she was Zarma.

Fulaman198:
Sonrai danse Takamba:

Voici la danse de Takamba. Cette vieux danse est d'origin Sonrai.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1O1LuGQPPCw

Hii super onze de Gao, I used to watch their videos on ortm and africable sometimes.

Fulaman198:
It is spelled incorrectly it means almightly. They are settled Mbororo'en if that says anything.

Oh ok, nice movie, I'll watch it. But I won't understand lol

Fulaman198:
Takamba is a dance created by Songhai/Zarma not only in North Mali, but in Niger and Nigeria (where there is Songhai/Zarma as well).

Oh yeah in Niger too. There are songhai in Nigeria, never knew. I know the songhai zarma as a group, I guess there are zarma in nigeria. Nice

Omarbah:
It was a mistake on his part seeing what is happenning to black people in Mauritania today. Plus he was just afraid of Dia since the clerics supported Senghor instead of him when they had a fall out. Clerics decided to go with their interests instead of those of the Senegalese population. Dia just wanted an economy based on production, but thats another story.
Senghor was too much of a white person to me. I am sorry for saying this but he was a ture "oreo".

Yeah he really wasn't the best choice as a president for 20 years. I think Senegal would have in a better place today if he did just 10 years and if Dia did the other 10 years. He wasn't revolutionary enough. That's sad

Omarbah:
No I didnt. I know black people have trouble getting their voices heard there.
I remember during Souleymane Baal era, they did put the border between them and the Berbers at the river. Is there any other story?

Actually technically Senegal doesn't stop at the river. It goes way beyond, the Wolof Walo kingdom and the Futa kingdom exist in both countries. Some say that Senegal border is about 100 km or more beyond the river.
As you may know Saint Louis was until the independences the capital of Senegal and mauritania. The story says that after independences Hassan 2 proposed to Senghor a division of Mauritania because technically it never existed as a country or even as a solid kingdom before colonisation.
The southern part of the country will belong to senegal, and up north would be part of morrocco. Morrocco would then avoid the problems its experiencing with the polisario and will have a much larger and unified territory, because the southern morroccans and the mauritanian moors are the same population. And Senegal would have the control of the river and a much larger territory, added to the fact that populations are the same from both sides of the river.
Senghor refused. Some said that he wasn't to pleased at the idea to have a neighbour as powerful as morroco, another fact was he was affraid of the power that differents groups such as the moors could have.
He was specialy afraid of toucouleur (not fulbe) revendications. He was aware of the toucouleur mentality and adding that part of mauritania would create a bigger toucouleur population with their intellectuals and marabouts etc. That power they could have would be then dangerous for him (I guess they could choose to support mamadou dia instead).
I used to criticize his choice (I still do). But seing the recrudescence of terrorism in the region, I sometimes think that it was not that bas as a choice.

Omarbah:
Sure but still his culture is that of fulbe.

Yes he looks like he is close to the Pullo side, but he is a true soninke too. Proud people

Omarbah:
I have heard dare Fulaman tell Tukulor they are not fulbe lol, it would not end well in my opinion. Tukulors are very proud people. Fulbe in general are proud, sometimes TOO proud.

Lol I understand, he is not from the area. If he repeats the stuff about bloodline in front of an old Torodo!
Toucouleurs are crazy! Did you see how that guy's family called journalists from Le monde to avenge the insuld made to them. They were publicly saying that they had slaves in all the Fouta. Walay these people still live in the middle ages.
Do you know they were one of the reasons of the birth of Mauritania as a country?

Omarbah:
Demba Ba is Pullo. He even said that his parents forbid him from speaking any other language at home but Pulaar.
You can look it up.

His mum is a Sarakhole from Koussanar in Tambacounda, only the dad is Haal Pulaar

Fulaman198:
I am aware of the Maccube (slaves, maccudo for singular, maccube for plural). Do they monitor your connection in Senegal dear?

I'm not in Senegal right now, but you never know.

Omarbah:
Other names such as?

I prone peace, I don't think it is fair to cite derogatory names. Let's just say the good impressions Senegalese have on Guineans. There sure are problems but problems exist everywhere.

Omarbah:
Takamba( what does the name mean, I like it).
Sister, how do Senegalese feel about Guinea Fulbe? Unlike other foreigners, we are not called "Gnak" but is there any form of resentment?

Takamba is a traditional songhai and tamachek music from north mali. The name just crossed my mind, plus I like the music
No guineans are not called niak, but I've heard other names. Overall I cannot speak for everyone, but there are mitigated feelings about them.
Senegalese appreciate guineans because they are hard working (they don't beg), unlike other nationalities.

Omarbah:
Captives not slaves. A slave is a man that accept his condition.

I like your definition.

Omarbah:
Wade crossed the line on that one.

You already know...

Omarbah:
Actually Futa Toro fulbe are very proud of their language. Anytime I would speak french to them in Senegal they would reply in Pulaar. No latter than two days ago I met one at the Masjid. They usually understand Guinean Pular easier than we understand them. It only takes a few weeks to get used to their accent. The words and structure of the language is the same, the prononciation is what changes.

Some senegalese and mauritanians Fulanis told me that they couldn't understand easily guinean fulani, but guinean fulani understood their pulaar. I also think that guinean fulanis understand pretty quickly pulaar. Guess it works both ways...

Omarbah:
True which is why Maninka still call them Fula even though they have lost the language. They did retain the culture and the cattle.

They are fulas, but mixed fulas who adopted Mandinka language.

Omarbah:
True which is why Maninka still call them Fula even though they have lost the language. They did retain the culture and the cattle.

They have intermixed a lot too.

Omarbah:
Exterminated?
They lost the language due to living among Maninka and marrying there. They did build an empire there and many of them were warriors in Samory's conquest.

Read the Monenembo passage on it. I forgot the page. They used to be "a la merci" of Bambara ''famas''. Read also Segou of Maryse Conde. The Wassoulou empire is pretty recent, way after their installation there and didn't last long.
It is because of Malinke assimilation that they have lost their language. A lot of warrors then fought for whoever could pay.

Fulaman198:
Well dear, in general the Fulani dialect in Nigeria sounds like that :-D


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VECQ36nJ00s

Seyno allah Mougn is the title of the movie... What does mougn means? Are these people bororo? Nice language though, I like the music at the beginning

Fulaman198:
Yes just like Wassolou are Fulanis mixed with Mande. Wodaabe are indeed Mbororo'en. Atiku Abubakar is from Adamawa, correct. But Adamawa is also a very interesting state as it is comprised of many different ethnicities.

Yes but he is Fulani

Fulaman198:
But I've seen Wassolous who can't speak Fulfulde. Some can, like Oumou Sangaré. But the majority I don't think can. But yes, a lot most definitely can.

Wassoulous are famous for their inability to speak fulbe in Mali. A lot of their ancestors have been exterminated that's why.

Fulaman198:
The way and the accent we use to speak Fulfulde doesn't sound anything like Hausa though. It sounds less Harsh than Pulaar in Senegal.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vo_CzKOy2dk - How Fulfulde sounds in Nigeria, Niger, Cameroon, Sudan, and Central African Republic

compared to:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xAVEICAXSb0

I know that you are Wodaabe and I understand your concern for your people. But Wodaabes are about 3 millions reparted in 5 countries, some of them have started to emigrate in DR Congo from centrafrique. They are a minority what about the majority?

Fulaman198:
That's a bit of mis-information. Also Gaynaako (is singular) Waynaabe is Plural for herdsmen. Hausa-Fulani are usually Fulani who only speak Hausa but live in NW Nigeria. However, in Nigeria there are 3 Pure Fulani states. They are Adamawa, Gombe and Taraba. In these states Fulfulde numbers about 11 million native speakers when combined. Cameroon Adamawa is part of the region too. The Wodaabe Fulbe speak the exact same dialect that is spoken in North Eastern Nigeria.

However, If NW Fulanis spoke the language still it would be the same dialect as the one spoken in Western Niger (and Northern Benin Republic). So there are Fulanis in Nigera and there are Hausa-Fulanis (Fulanis who can't speak Fulfulde but only Hausa). However, the two groups have very different practices and cultures. I for instance am not a Hausa-Fulani.

It's like Mali, you have the Wassolou and the actual Fulbe. Same thing in Nigeria.

Wassoulous are fulbe-mandingues, they are mixed somehow, but they retained their fulani culture.

Fulaman198:
I thought that you said that you have Fulani blood ROFL.....

I sure have, but I am not fulani. What's so funny about that?

Fulaman198:
That's a bit of mis-information. Also Gaynaako (is singular) Waynaabe is Plural for herdsmen. Hausa-Fulani are usually Fulani who only speak Hausa but live in NW Nigeria. However, in Nigeria there are 3 Pure Fulani states. They are Adamawa, Gombe and Taraba. In these states Fulfulde numbers about 11 million native speakers when combined. Cameroon Adamawa is part of the region too. The Wodaabe Fulbe speak the exact same dialect that is spoken in North Eastern Nigeria.

However, If NW Fulanis spoke the language still it would be the same dialect as the one spoken in Western Niger (and Northern Benin Republic). So there are Fulanis in Nigera and there are Hausa-Fulanis (Fulanis who can't speak Fulfulde but only Hausa). However, the two groups have very different practices and cultures. I for instance am not a Hausa-Fulani.

It's like Mali, you have the Wassolou and the actual Fulbe. Same thing in Nigeria.

Fulanis mixed with hausa. It's what they are.
Yep thanks for the clarification, Serer use that word too.
Woodabe are mbororos right? Abubakar is from Adamawa if I recall.

Fulaman198:
I am aware that Senegambians are different from other West Africans. Pardon my stupid phrase "stereotypically west african" because there is no one West African look.

We have griots too in Nigeria/Cameroon/Niger. I'm not talking about blood purity to be racist, however from what I have seen, If you look at Fulani accents from Senegal all the way to Sudan, the Tukulor way of speaking Pulaar/Fulfulde sounds[b] very Wolofnized/Serer[/b]. If you listen to the way I speak Fulfulde or the way someone from Mali speaks Fulfulde, or how someone like a Guineejo like OmarBah speaks Pulaar/Fulfulde you can see a bit of a link, but even other Fulanis from neighbouring countries say that sometimes Senegalbe are a bit harder to understand than other nations. Even as far as Nigeria/Cameroon, I have no issues understanding people from Mali or Burkina Faso and even from time to time Guinea. But when we get to Senegal, things are a bit different.


It actually took some time for me to get used to the Futankoobe style of Pulaar/Fulfulde and I thank my friends on Facebook and KJPF for it. Again, not trying to sound like a bigot talking about bloodlines, I love all African people and I'm sure you are quite a beautiful woman yourself.

True, but to make it clear the only reason why senegalese fulani sounds so different to you is because fulani basically originate from the fouta valley as you know. Now I've heard fanciful assertions (not from you or omar bah) about fulani culture and people. It's not that complicated.
From the desertification of sahara to the end of the Tekrour empires; fulani, wolofs, soninke, moors, serer and all these groups lived together. At that time fulani were not in contact with hausas or the other groups they live with today.
They were living with their neighbours and there have been intermixing among the different groups from that time. Intermixing in marriages, customs, languages etc
That form of fulani you hear (the senegalese) one was probably exported to other places during their different migrations and then it changed when it came in contact of other cultures, because whether we accept it or not fulani have never lived in isolation, they are a very open people, that is the reason why they have been able to conqueer all these kingdoms.
Now I understand your confusion because young fulanis of senegal and mauritania think that it is more swagg to speak wolof or to mix wolof with their language, there is thus a street style fulani version mixed with wolof, french or english words. It's the one you hear the most often with some young people.

Thank you for the compliment, I was thinking about myself when I said that non fulanis can look fulani. I look very fulani and yet I am not. So I understand your explanation about the looks.

Fulaman198:
I don't know how the Senegalese Fulbe classify the Tukulor, but one Senegalese Fulani once told me that Tukulors and Fulbe typically don't get along that they are our enemies (I don't know if that is true because I have some Tukulor friends on Facebook and they are very friendly to me). However, he said that despite the fact we speak the same language and often the Tukulor are referred to as sub-group of Fulbe.

Do you consider someone like Demba Ba for example a Tukulor or actual Fulani? He only spoke Pulaar/Fulfulde at home when growing up. To me, I consider them Fulani, but to some other Fulani in Nigeria, they view them as Rimaybe (like Julde Camara).

The thing about the Tukulor is that they don't practise real Pulaaku. Most of them are Fishermen living on the border of Senegal and Mauritania (like Baaba Maal for example who hails from Podor). As you know Fulbe are renowned for being Waynaabe (herdsmen). The only real distinction between the Tukulor and the typical Fulani is mainly in cultural practises. One is a Fisherman, the other is a Herdsman.

Our ennemies: A big word, I guess the "our" is you pullos hehe. El hadj Omar was a typical tukulor, if you know the man well you'll understand. I don't think tukulors need validations from other fulani. Go to fouta tooro and repeat your phrase to any toucoulor, I don't dare to do it, but you can try.
Tukulors are pullos, yes they are a subgroup because most of them are sedentary. They are not a recent group Ndiadiane Ndiaye mother was Toucouleur and Ndiadiane was born in the 11th century. They insist to differentiate themselves because they are special people, I don't want to badmouth them .

Demba Ba mother is Soninke. He is both by bloodline: Toucouleur/Soninke. What he defines himself culturally I wouldn't know as I don't know him personnally, but I think he is pretty close to the Toucouleur side.

Fulaman198:
I don't know how the Senegalese Fulbe classify the Tukulor, but one Senegalese Fulani once told me that Tukulors and Fulbe typically don't get along that they are our enemies (I don't know if that is true because I have some Tukulor friends on Facebook and they are very friendly to me). However, he said that despite the fact we speak the same language and often the Tukulor are referred to as sub-group of Fulbe.

Do you consider someone like Demba Ba for example a Tukulor or actual Fulani? He only spoke Pulaar/Fulfulde at home when growing up. To me, I consider them Fulani, but to some other Fulani in Nigeria, they view them as Rimaybe (like Julde Camara).

The thing about the Tukulor is that they don't practise real Pulaaku. Most of them are Fishermen living on the border of Senegal and Mauritania (like Baaba Maal for example who hails from Podor). As you know Fulbe are renowned for being Waynaabe (herdsmen). The only real distinction between the Tukulor and the typical Fulani is mainly in cultural practises. One is a Fisherman, the other is a Herdsman.

No, most Toucoulors are farmers and clerics, coranic teachers. The cuballo are fishermen, bear often names like Sarr, Gaye, Maal etc but also typical Fulani names. There is a caste among the Toucoulors who are Gaynaabe (herders). Being sedentary is basically by choice not by ethnicity, some sedentary fulani are assimilated to toucouleurs. Richer fulani tend to abandon nomadism or to practice semi pastoralism. As it is the norm now in the Senegalese dieri.

Who are those they? A big chunk of Nigerian Fulas speak hausa. It is from Nigeria that we hear the term hausa-fulani.

Fulaman198:
Ahidjo's mother was a Kordo (female slave) so she wasn't Fulani but she was Fulani speaking. His father however was a Fulani. I don't know much about Atiku Abubakar's bloodline, or Lamido Hayatou Galim's bloodline (Hayatou does look stereotypically West African though).

In regards to Senegalese Fulani, are you counting the Haal'pulaaren (Tukulors) alongside the Fulbe. Even though Tukulors and Fulbe speak the same language some people don't consider Tukulors original Fulbe. Some view them as Serer or Wolof that became "Fulanized" ....

To me, the most nomadic Fulbe that don't mix represent the purest of the Fulbe. Senegalbe has become very Wolofnized that I can't tell you for certain that they are 100% Fulbe anymore. Though, I'm sure you will still find 100% Fulbe in Senegal/Mauritania like you can in Niger, Nigeria, Cameroon and Mali.

When I see a Fulani from Guinea or Senegal, I can recognise them immediately. The only difference is the accent in which we speak our respective Fulfulde/Pulaar languages. It's like an American speaking to a British but they both speak English.

What is the sterotypical West African look? Have you ever been to Senegal? These people with griots from centuries must be aware of their bloodlines, more than us. They may think the same things you are saying from you. If we were to retrace bloodlines Fulaman Senegal would be the least mixed. And I hate talking about blood purity just because it is so sensitive and really not important, to me it sounds kinda racist.
Let's not derail this interesting thread

Fulaman198:
Ahidjo's mother was a Kordo (female slave) so she wasn't Fulani but she was Fulani speaking. His father however was a Fulani. I don't know much about Atiku Abubakar's bloodline, or Lamido Hayatou Galim's bloodline (Hayatou does look stereotypically West African though).

In regards to Senegalese Fulani, are you counting the Haal'pulaaren (Tukulors) alongside the Fulbe. Even though Tukulors and Fulbe speak the same language some people don't consider Tukulors original Fulbe. Some view them as Serer or Wolof that became "Fulanized" ....
To me, the most nomadic Fulbe that don't mix represent the purest of the Fulbe. Senegalbe has become very Wolofnized that I can't tell you for certain that they are 100% Fulbe anymore. Though, I'm sure you will still find 100% Fulbe in Senegal/Mauritania like you can in Niger, Nigeria, Cameroon and Mali.

When I see a Fulani from Guinea or Senegal, I can recognise them immediately. The only difference is the accent in which we speak our respective Fulfulde/Pulaar languages. It's like an American speaking to a British but they both speak English.

So there are original and imitation Fulbe. Who are the original and the imitation ones? Are Tukuleurs rimaybe? I follow your contributions when I can because you are very down to earth and cultured but as a curious person I can't help but wonder some assertions.